Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[ThAdmiral]

/confirm

[ThAdmiral]

DrippingGoofball: Would be interesting pick for ABR since apparently he hates her, so no one would think of this possibility.

I thought of this too.

I would probably pick populartajo or springlullaby out of that list, for what it's worth. Good players, but not obvious choices.

[ThAdmiral]

Right now I don't like Magister Ludi's list, that kind of lists are bound to benefit scum than town.

To be fair he's the one that got us talking about possible recruitments if I remember correctly.

[ThAdmiral]

Right now I don't like Magister Ludi's list, that kind of lists are bound to benefit scum than town.

To be fair he's the one that got us talking about possible recruitments if I remember correctly.

Nah, he got people speculating over possible recruit. Key word speculating.

I think it was a productive exercise.

I don't see xvart being recruited as he's a teamster. Wouldn't you rather try to get a PR as soon as possible rather than a VT?

How would you know he's a VT unless you're the other recruitee or something? How do you know?

How would he know if he was a recruitee?

[ThAdmiral]

*as in how would he know he's a vt if he was a recruitee?

[ThAdmiral]

*as in how would he know he's a vt if he was a recruitee?

QT, duh.

I still don't get.

OK, gonna need to do some catching up here (Damn game fully starting while I am sleeping >.<.) Anyway, from what I do understand of the mechanics as explained by the treestumps and flay, I am not liking all the wifoming going on here. If I may be as brash to suggest this, but maybe we need to listen to the opposite of what the mobsters are saying. I mean look how easily they both just gave up the info on the clues towards who they recruited. My gut tells me they are leading us on big time. I will have to read the thread again to see if I can gather more info, but my gut tells me for now that we need to look the opposite of where we have been.

The only problem here is we are still being "manipulated" by them if we only look at the

opposite

of what they are saying.

Question to everyone:

Does anyone think either of ABR or kinetic would have been ballsy enough to put their recruitment pick in their 3 that they suggested to each other?

For the record I don't think so.

I've reread Kinetic and ABR's opening post in this game. They're weird, both talk about 'choosing' the right side in the war and 'joining' them.

Haha yeah. We like flavor and this type of thing gets us more emotionally invested.

Yea, we both had a lot of fun with those I think. I know I did .

I thought they were both really well done. I thought they might have been given to you by the mod as they sounded so in line with the game!
Good job to both of you[/praise]

In other news I don't like battouasi's 206.

vote: battouasi

[ThAdmiral]

I am ignoring their lists.

Well that's one way to go about it. On the other hand they are genuinely trying to get each other killed, so they aren't completely useless to listen to. For example an sk can make good points about who scum might be etc.
Furthermore they, unlike anyone else, have all the information about how they go about picking their recruit and what special rules apply (if any), and thus have a better idea than anyone who the other person might pick based on all of this.

In other news I don't like battouasi's 206.

vote: battouasi

Why?

I think he's making wild claims about ludi to make the case on him seem better than it is.

For the sake of the agreement we had, I will nominate Fritzler, Chronopie and ThAdmiral for yours.

Question to everyone:

Does anyone think either of ABR or kinetic would have been ballsy enough to put their recruitment pick in their 3 that they suggested to each other?

For the record I don't think so.

Everyone will think I'm WiFOMing or w/e, so I won't add analysis. I'm merely pointing these things out. You look at the, discuss them hopefully, and draw your own conclusions. I just find both of these things mighty suspicious.

To wifom you back, do you think I would be ballsy enough to bring it up if I was his recruit?

[ThAdmiral]

Cool.

[ThAdmiral]

What, ABR, are you saying that Tanarin was your recruit?

No, he's pretending that he's never, ever heard of fake dayvigs. They're all real.

DON'T LISTEN TO THE CONFIRMED SCUM

This time I completely agree with you. Abr's faking defeat was quite laughable.

[ThAdmiral]

You know what...

vote: xvart

he's a good a chance as any.

[ThAdmiral]

You know what...

vote: xvart

he's a good a chance as any.

Cool bandwagon, bro. If he's a good a chance as any, why vote him over any? Any has been pretty scummy.

Xvart is closer to lynch than any, but

fos: any

. He's one to watch for tomorrow...

@Cobbler: Claiming this early is stupid, especially as a town-PR in a dualing cult game.

Especially as someone who apparently can't be recruited. Wouldn't you want the cults to waste their recruitment on you?

So....anyone looking for a job?

Doing what?
And what's the hourly rate?

[ThAdmiral]

But the real issue here is the fact that the whole concept of a player being recruitable is a giant pile of WIFOM that is excessive for this part of a game. Mixing WIFOM and scumhunting is not a worthwhile endeavor, nor should it ever be. Unless you have some magical way of reading the CR's mind, I don't really see a reason to bother outguessing them straight up. As for circular logic, the sheer fact that it CAN be turned into circular logic should be a reason to stay away from it.

I don't see a single person on that player list (beyond ABR and Kinetic) that should be seen as a possible recruit, it just makes little sense to rule anyone out. I'd also hate to be the one to point it out, but your case on Batt is pretty much awful. The yos case isn't as bad, but is pretty far from good.

While this is true it is also logical to state the following:

1. Abr/Kinetic would want to recruit good players
2. Abr/Kinetic would want to recruit players that are unlikely to be lynched day 1 (perhaps based on their history)
Therefore:
3. Abr/Kinetic are likely to recruit someone who they deem the

best player that is unlikely to be lynched day 1

They could choose to act illogically (for example choosing someone who is not considered a good player, or someone who is likely to be lynched day 1), but that would be sub-optimal play for them.

[ThAdmiral]

Xvart is closer to lynch than any, but

fos: any

. He's one to watch for tomorrow...

Ani is the backup mod.

Well played sir.

I'm thinking yes. I'm thinking there might be other scum than cult too. But maybe I'm wrong.

But surely they couldn't be recruitable which would cause problems.

Vote: ThAdmiral.

Don't like his ump on the xvart wagon, and seems like a good recruit candidate to me.

Why thank you!

[ThAdmiral]

So....anyone looking for a job?

Doing what?
And what's the hourly rate?

You never answered this...

[ThAdmiral]

Soz

[ThAdmiral]

Cobblerfone is fakeclaiming unrecruitable because he doesn't want to be recruited. Claiming unrecruitable in a cult game is the equivalent of a day 1 fake dayvig in any game. I'm surprised and disappointed that there aren't more people doing it. It's the correct town play.

Unless you are

actually

unrecruitable. Ironic.

NS -5 (confirm, simile, jokish remark, votes/participates, apology of inactivity)
Dry-fit 6 (4 before I posted) (confirm, finds cobbler scummy but unlikely recruit, apology of inactivity, catch up post/vote, asks 2 questions, spam/scum day post)
Cecily -6 (confirm, participate, participate/vote, participate, participate, activity promise)
Katsuki -7 (confirm, mechanic speculation, activity increase promise, hasn’t read/will lurk, participate, participate, explanation of lurk post)
Bunnylover- 5 (confirm, vote, role speculation, participate, participate)
Populartajo- 6 (confirm, reading, participate/vote, participate, participate, participate)
Seraphim- 6 (confirm, participate, participate, participate, participate/vote, promise of post)
RaudhrGarm- 4 (confirm, participate/vote, participate, apology of inactivity/v/la)

I wish we had more kills per day. There is gold in that list.

To be fair if I was recruited I would try to make sure I was active. (In fact I'd probably try so hard that it would become obvious that I was trying too hard, and then get lynched!)

So guys, I am going to claim: I am not a vig, and I am going to travel every single night, in the hopes that I find something in one of those buildings that gives me a vig kill.

Is that how the buildings work?

[ThAdmiral]

Question I have for the people who have played DGB before:

How hard is she to lynch?

I think ThAdmiral made a damn good point. Whoever is the one recruited would indeed be active, if not MORE active D1, Even if it draws them heat. Odds are we would be looking away from said person anyway. She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.

To answer the first bit it depends on:
a) whether abr is playing
b) how much she decides to self-destruct
It can be easy or hard depending on these factors.

To the second bit I think you are on to something. I think it is highly unlikely that she would be a day 1 target. However if the town at large decided to "overlook her mad ramblings", as you might put it, she could definitely be recruit-bait for day 2 or later as she would be seen as accepted by the town.


Re: the cobbler situation.
I just can't see cobbler being a recruit, especially since he claimed what he claimed. In other words:

WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL VOTING COBBLERFONE?

THIS.

Neither ABR nor Kinetic are crazy enough to take cobbler D1.

Vig bait / no real tactical benefit for later days.

xvart - Lead wagon because he is a good player, that is all. Its partially victimisation but mostly just shooting in the dark. Something hellishly huge has to happen before I even consider this a possibility.

I'll admit it really is just shooting in the dark, but at least there is

some

logic behind it, imo decent logic, and I don't think we're really going to catch obvscum.
Call me defeatist if you will.

[ThAdmiral]

I just can't see cobbler being a recruit, especially since he claimed what he claimed.

Did you really think his claim was believable?

I think thats sort of the point. It's so unbelievable I doubt scum would claim it.
Imo he's town telling the truth but presenting it in a very awkward way, or town lying about his role.

Everything in this game is a giant pool of WIFOM. We're literally swimming in wine.

Quote of the game so far!

[ThAdmiral]

I just can't see cobbler being a recruit, especially since he claimed what he claimed.

Did you really think his claim was believable?

I think thats sort of the point. It's so unbelievable I doubt scum would claim it.
Imo he's town telling the truth but presenting it in a very awkward way, or town lying about his role.

Is Cobbler lying about his role as town a more likely scenario than him being scum? I can definitely see newbie scum making a claim the way he did.

I think so. And in any case if he is such a sloppy-playing newbie why would he EVER be recruited on the one day when the scum is trying to ensure their target definitely doesn't get lynched?

We really need to wrap this up and lynch somebody before we're all completely naked before the confirmed recruiterscum.

Wait, did everyone start taking their clothes off?

Then please convince these

filthy lurkers

players to join you on the Ludi wagon:

springlullaby - 1

(Herodotus)

Chronopie - 1

(RaudhrGarm)

Katsuki - 1

(Bunnylover)

ThAdmiral - 1

(Dry-fit)

Seraphim - 1

(Cobblerfone)

Not Voting: 2

(Chronopie, Porochaz)

The list of shame.

@Zenek: Yes, because I think both recruits would have attacked Yos at least once in the day. And no, I don't think he's recruited.

Still haven't gotten around to reading Magister's and Ludi's posts yet ..

I think, upon close and careful consideration, that you'll find that Magister Ludi is only one player.

Nuh-uh. He's like that ice-cream truck transformer that splits in to two robots!

[ThAdmiral]

So how were those last seven pages!

You know what - I got a plan because we are no closer to a lynch than we were five days ago, in fact we are further away! A lot further in fact. The vote leader has a whopping total of 5 votes...

So. How about we all put up a list of the top 3 people we would be happy to lynch, and then we tally the numbers at the end and the person with the most numbers gets lynched. A "ballot vote" or a "consensus vote" or whatever it's called.

Sound good? I'll start.

xvart
populartajo
battouasi

[ThAdmiral]

thoughts on my plan?

[ThAdmiral]

I figure if I am the one who suggested the plan I should probably be the custodian of the results. So here is a running tally:

xvart
populartajo
battouasi

Herodotus

xvart

Lambdadelta

Chronopie
RaudhrGarm
Seraphim

Herodotus
Spring
Yosarian

ThAdmiral
populartajo
Chronopie

Populartajo
Seraphim
Spring

Cobble
Spring
Chrono

Lady Lambdadelta
Xvart
Chronopie

Cobblerfone
springlullaby
xvart

Xvart
Cobblerfone
Magister Ludi

NS
Ludi
Tajo

Seraphim
Chronpie
Bunnylover

ML
ThAdmiral
Chronopie

Which means...
chronopie - 6
xvart - 5
springlullaby - 4
populartajo - 4
cobblerfone - 3
magister ludi - 3
seraphim - 3
thad - 2
herodotus - 2
lambadelta - 2
ruadhrgarm - 1
battouasi - 1
yosarian - 1
nobody special - 1
bunnylover - 1

In a bit of a surprise chronopie, who has been on the receiving end of some late scrutiny, is out current leader with 6.

There is still a long way to go folks with only 13 of 25 (27 if we include the mob leaders) people putting up their lists. Watch this space...

[ThAdmiral]

People who haven't listed:

lady lambadelta
chronopie
herodotus
katsuki
magister ludi
porochaz
ruadhrgarm
seraphim
springlullaby
tanarin
xvart
zdenek

and of course the two mob leaders.

[ThAdmiral]

kinetic is freaking out. Means we're probably on the right track. Onwards boys!

[ThAdmiral]

Tajo
Cobbler
ThAd

Ugh, changing your list. Why do you have to be difficult?

Chronopie
ThAdmiral
NobodySpecial/Spring Lullaby

I'm going to go with ns because you listed him first. Too freaking bad if you don't like that. It's not hard to follow simple instructions.

Chronopie
RaudhrGarm
Springlullaby

Changing list = annoying.

yos
lady lambda
cobbler

Thank you.

Yos
Chrono

*facepalm*
Is it really that hard guys?

Spring
Chronopie
Yos2

Thank you.

Chrono, Yos and ThaD

Thank you.

(still don't like Batt but no one else seems to agree with me here?)

I agree with you.

[ThAdmiral]

Updated:

chronopie - 11
thad - 5
springlullaby - 5
yosarian - 5
cobblerfone - 5
xvart - 5
populartajo - 4
magister ludi - 3
lambadelta - 3
herodotus - 2
nobody special - 2
ruadhrgarm - 2
seraphim - 1
battouasi - 1
bunnylover - 1

Chronopie way out in the lead now, with a late surge for yos and thad (seriously guys I'm flattered you think of me that way) putting them up with other people on 5 votes spring, xvart and cobbler.

[ThAdmiral]

People who

still

haven't listed:

lady lambadelta
chronopie
ruadhrgarm
seraphim
springlullaby
tanarin
zdenek

...and of course the two mob leaders (that was just for you ooba!).

[ThAdmiral]

I'm going to go with ns because you listed him first. Too freaking bad if you don't like that. It's not hard to follow simple instructions.

Woah, someone is getting a little bent out of shape over something so trivial. Are you concerned that you are getting more attention? I figured, based on my commentary, that you would have only counted the first two until I went back to look at the others; but I now realize that you might only be doing this in spirit and not really for the actual benefit with the way you are riding everyone over such little things that increases your self volunteer workload.

Yeah, that probably came out a bit harsher than what I imagined in my head. It was meant to be said with more of a faux-angry tone. Let me try again:

*ahem*

"I'm going to go with ns because you listed him first. Too freaking bad if you don't like that! (p.s. it's not hard to follow simple instructions... )"

I think that gets the tone better.

[ThAdmiral]

Xvart
Tajo
NS

Thanks!

Yos2
Chrono
LL

Cheers!

Chrono is 3rd (probably closer to 4th now, but ThAD's stupid lists seem to frown upon changes)

[ThAdmiral]

Updated:

chronopie - 12
yosarian - 6
xvart - 6
thad - 5
springlullaby - 5
cobblerfone - 5
populartajo - 5
lady lambadelta - 4
magister ludi - 3
nobody special - 3
herodotus - 2
ruadhrgarm - 2
seraphim - 1
battouasi - 1
bunnylover - 1

Chrono still way out in the lead, but the real story is yosarian, whose meteoric rise has put him comfortably in second place with 6, sharing the spot with current "actual" vote leader xvart.

[ThAdmiral]

People who

still

haven't listed

List of SHAME!!!:

lady lambadelta
ruadhrgarm
seraphim
springlullaby
zdenek

[ThAdmiral]

I'm a bit disturbed with RaudhrGarm not replacing out or posting by now. Isn't that usually a scumtell if a player goes on V/LA for too long?

I don't know, cobbler. Is it?

[ThAdmiral]

1000!!! woot!

[ThAdmiral]

Oh, come on!!!!

[ThAdmiral]

All I know is that I heard it was or it was discussed and it happened in my newbie game. It was unplanned, but I think that's part of it. The person doesn't want to switch out. It's situational I guess. I guess that's why I've generally lost faith in scumtells... They are situational.

I think a good general rule is that if they are still posting in other games that's a pretty good scumtell, but it seems RG has disappeared from the site completely since the 28th.

[ThAdmiral]

@ spring: list please? Or are you abstaining on purpose.
Like a conscientious objector.


(also sorry for the 4 posts in a row)

[ThAdmiral]

Get reading andrius. You've got a fair bit of work to do!

In any case, I don't really have 3 suspects. I'm difficult like that.

Booooo!!!

[ThAdmiral]

@Admiral: List retracted for now.

Um, not in my books it's not.

Porochaz
Tanarin
Bunnylover

Thank you, m'lady.

I retract my list of 3.

What is it with these people thinking they can "retract" their lists?

I AM THE LORD OF THE LISTS!!!!
I OWN YOU!!!
I RULE YOU!!!!!

got it?

ALL VIGS SHOULD SHOOT TONIGHT

I forgot to mention this earlier, but I concur.

[ThAdmiral]

Updated list. A new format - basically I've given the votes weighted scores so if they are listed first they get 3, second 2, last 1.
So its:

Player name - (number of votes) weighted score

I also noticed I made some mistakes in my earlier list. This should be right, but if someone could check it that would be nice.

chronopie - (11) 21
xvart - (6) 14
yosarian - (6) 13
cobblerfone - (5) 11
populartajo - (5) 10
springlullaby - (5) 10
thad - (5) 9
lady lambadelta - (4) 7
hero - (2) 6
nobody special - (3) 5
magister ludi - (2) 4
seraphim - (1) 3
porochaz - (1) 3
bunnylover - (2) 2
ruadhrgarm - (1) 2
tanarin - (1) 2
batt - (1) 1


People still left to list:

andrius
seraphim
zdenek

[ThAdmiral]

I hate the above list WITH A PASSION.

I don't love the list either* but I felt like I needed to do SOMETHING. Everyone was just sitting around throwing votes on people and not wanting to wagon anyone because " eh, the case isn't great".

Of course the case isn't going to be great!!!

We are trying to find one-man scum teams, so that means nothing to be gleaned from interactions, nothing to be gleaned when a couple of people pile on one person like a scumteam might do, nothing to be gleaned from pretty much anything.

I feel like people needed something to help them come to a consensus.

*actually that's a lie, I've really enjoyed being the custodian of the list!

Woah there, that seems arbitrary. I didn't list mine in order of preference and if I did it wouldn't be a simple 3/2/1 exercise anyway.

I think it should be pretty clear by now that this is list is FAR more just for me than for anyone else.
That being said I did think of that, but I've included the original "how many times have they been mentioned" stats as well. As you might notice, and what is fairly predictable, is that they both go more or less hand-in-hand anyway.

We need to stop this insanity. It's gone to far. What are we doing, the scum's tax returns?

While we're on that topic, the scum

might

be interested to hear that the shipment of ak-47s they recently purchased is completely tax-deductible.

Let's speak no more of ordered lists and carry on with the lynch.

Don't make me stop. Please. It's all I've got...

Im not open to looking at xvart because its turned a game I like into random guessing which is what this bandwagon is.
xvart - 8 (Yosarian2, Seraphim, ThAdmiral, DrippingGoofball, Chronopie, Fritzler, bvoigt, Nobody Special)
=

Every single player on this wagon should know better and are not playing at there best. It's like you have all given up because the word scum has changed to cult.[/quote]
My stance is that, yes, the xvart wagon is mostly guesswork, but at least it is

educated

guesswork. He ticked all the boxes of being in that group that scum would like to recruit, but not being too obvious, while also being unlikely to be lynched as their general meta, and finally not making too much waves in this game in order to fly under the radar.

Really not happy with the way TheAdmeral is trying to do some meaningless math voodo to figure out who we should lynch rather then just placing his own vote based on his own logic.

As I said above, at least I am trying to do something. And you might notice I haven't changed my vote, and am still voting for the person who I chose based on my own logic.

Really not happy with the way TheAdmeral is trying to do some meaningless math voodo to figure out who we should lynch rather then just placing his own vote based on his own logic.

^this.

As I said above, at least I am trying to do something. And you might notice I haven't changed my vote, and am still voting for the person who I chose based on my own logic.

^this.

I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.

Unvote Vote Thadmral

Did you miss the bit where chrono was the leader of the list regardless of how the stats were interpreted? Did you miss the fact that I'm not actually voting chrono?

this is reaching and sheeping

Well said.

[ThAdmiral]

How does Tanarin know that Admiral is pushing for a MISLYNCH?

To be fair, how would one recruit know that someone else is also not a recruit?

This post is less scummy, more, well, wrong?

I pretty much agree with this.

Yeah, here's a new list, Admiral, top three choices:
Admiral (There's got to be some kind of ulterior motive in this switch of tallying. Whether it's to get the person YOU think is the most scummy lynched, or a theoretical scumbuddy into safety.)
Chronopie
Seraphim

(And yes, I changed the order intentionally. Thank you for keeping track of the lists, though. )

So, I had some time today. Here is my list. I couldn't decide on the third, but here are two:

Flameaxe
Herodotus

^ those aren't tears of sadness...

...they're tears of joy. People clearly still want list!!!

[ThAdmiral]

(shrug) I don't really mind the list; although I've had bad experiences with similar things in the past, I understand the impulse to try to get a consensus created for a lynch before deadline. But I would like to see you scumhunt as well, was my point. It's been a while since we really heard your opinions on anything.

I've been inserting my opinion on matters here and there amongst my posts, but it is true that I don't really feel strongly about anyone. I find it hard to properly scumhunt in this game as I just don't know what to look for. I mean I know that cult would be after a lynch, anyone's lynch, but they surely wouldn't want to make this too obvious, or maybe they would and rely on wifom etc. etc. etc. Basically it is difficult.

I am approaching it more from a process of elimination point of view, or a PoEPoV (ooh, I like that). There are a bunch of people I think the scum would have to be a bit daft to recruit, and then there are some others who I have more or less discounted as possible recruits because of how they have acted today and that has left me with a smaller group of players, of which I would basically be happy to lynch any of them.

[ThAdmiral]

We are trying to find

one-man scum teams

[...]

How do you know?

Assumption.

[ThAdmiral]

@ spring: what chance do you reckon that vote has of going anywhere

near

a lynch?

[ThAdmiral]

I will wear this lynch as a badge of honor.

That's the spirit!

Seriously though without being condescending that is a really good attitude.


To all the people saying they would prefer a no-lynch:

But... we immediately destroy one of the cults if we hit. Surely thats worth having a go?

^this.
Yes it's a long shot, but it's worth it.

[ThAdmiral]

xvart - 8 (Yosarian2,

ThAdmiral

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Chronopie

,

Fritzler

,

Nobody Special

,

bvoigt

, Lady Lambdadelta,

Katsuki

)

Personally, I would be hesitant to join a wagon where 77% of the wagon included the most engaged portion of the playerlist. It really doesn't say a lot about the collective scumhunting of the group when you have these people as representatives. I was hesitant to include DGB due to overall posting amount, but her

actual

scumhunting and engagement level has been minimal to none. Regardless of the subjectivity of the DBG inclusion, the point still stands.

I don't get what you are trying to say here...

But I like the colours!

@ xvart: why did you wait so long to start defending yourself. You are actually sounding reasonable. But now if I want to unvote (which I do) I only have a couple of viable options to choose from, and they aren't ideal either. I believe others when they say chrono is a bad recruit pick because he is erratic, and I feel that yos is getting wagonned simply because he is known as a good player.


Dammit.

unvote

vote: chrono

The main thing that andrius pointed out that resonated with me was how he pointed out chrono was constantly putting himself down to make it seem like he'd be a bad recruitment choice. That's as good a point as any in my eyes.

Plus my list thing was obviously l33t cult-identifying tech.

[ThAdmiral]

If someone ends up feysalling today I will be going after them SO hard tomorrow.

[ThAdmiral]

Is deadline in 3 hours? Is that right?

I'll be tracking the game and will be able to move to another wagon if needs be to get a lynch, but I'm going to give the chrono wagon a bit more time to see what happens.

[ThAdmiral]

@ xvart: why did you wait so long to start defending yourself. You are actually sounding reasonable. But now if I want to unvote (which I do) I only have a couple of viable options to choose from, and they aren't ideal either. I believe others when they say chrono is a bad recruit pick because he is erratic, and I feel that yos is getting wagonned simply because he is known as a good player.

It is hard to defend yourself against "he would make the most ideal recruit".

I feel you could have tried harder earlier.

The main thing that andrius pointed out that resonated with me was how he pointed out chrono was constantly putting himself down to make it seem like he'd be a bad recruitment choice. That's as good a point as any in my eyes.

Hey there. Welcome to the game. I've been saying this all game. ALL game.

Andrius said it better. (I actually don't really remember you doing this)

Feysal'ing?

= not voting.

I'm trying to get it to catch on y'see...

And the page turned ..

Anyway - Dynamic deadline:

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Wowzers! That sure is snazzy.

Well I'm off to bed then. See you chaps in the morning.

[ThAdmiral]

I see that people are starting to prefer chrono. I approve.

@ xvart: I'm sorry I didn't pay more attention. I think I got a bit caught up in my list.

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I'm game for the batt wagon.

Vote: batt

At work now. Will post more later.

[ThAdmiral]

Just checked batts history with no-lynches (and by that I mean I searched his posts for the term "no lynch" and sorted through the results):

open 276 - no lynched to force a draw. Was a vanilla townie.
mini 1060 - suggested no lynch as it would lead to better odds the next day. Was a mafia revivor.
mini 1116 - voted someone to avoid a no lynch. Was a mafia jailkeeper.
mini 1086 - seemed against the idea of a no lynch. Was a vanilla townie.

Read in to that what you will. I don't really think it means anything, although his behavior day 1 was still odd.

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ThAd 1324- Please tell me, in those games you looked up, how many of them was it known that there were no scum and only cult? 0? That's what I thought... Also odd doesn't mean cult recruit. It just means different. Are you going to take a stand on me one way or another, or are you going to keep being wishy-washy? If wishy-washy then move on to someone you feel is scum.

1. I said I didn't think they implied anything.
2. I agree with you that "odd" is a weak word. I actually don't like it either and I regret using it. In this instance I mean "scummy", or "stupid" at best.

I prefer Yosarian didn't full claim. There is no real reason to do so (even when being lynched, If you're town it only helps the cults) I actually also don't think he was recruited night one, and that goes for xvart as well. People with an absolute ton of pressure on them day one are not very attractive targets.

This is a good point.

Is the case against Yos that he targetted someone last night therefore he must be scum? Admittedly his defense is a bit shit what with the soft-claiming unrecruitable, but I don't see a reason to vote him based on the fact that he targeted someone alone.

Also I might as well say that I was blocked last night. Apparently I didn't go out on to the streets because of fear of violence. My character is such a coward!

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1) Which is my point. [Putting forth something and saying it doesn't imply anything] is like pushing the spotlight on me, without putting forth a case in which you believe I am scum (your vote on me is, I agree with the wagon, which is just Ludi voting for reasons for yesterday)

I spent a good 20-odd minutes doing that research, I wasn't going to then not mention the findings.

2) Again, that's wishy-washy. Scummy is indictive, well scum and stupid is indictive of town.

To make it clear what I was saying: I think your actions were scummy. Full stop. If you happen to be town though, which I allow for the possibility of, your actions were stupid.

I still believe your vote on me is very weak. You give no reasons except you agree with the wagon (what wagon, and what parts of it, spelled out, do you agree with?). I also believe that you've been doing this all game, IIRC. You don't really take too many stands. The whole top 3 scum list thing made you look like you are contributing, but you actually weren't (and were called out on it by Tajo? I believe).

Hold on, YOU are criticising ME for my top 3 scum list? That's just too rich, WAY too rich, coming from the guy whose most notable action during day one (other than refusing to put down a vote that could have affected the game at all) was putting up COMPLETELY ARBITRARY lists of people's posting rates! At least my lists had the intention of getting people to come to some sort of consensus in a game which was languishing in no-lynch territory.

As for my case against you: you were one of my top 3 candidates on day one as I believe you would be a good recruitment target, and your actions have not made me think otherwise.

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VOTE: ThAdmiral

Yesterday's reasons plus Battousai's reasons plus he seems to be trying too hard to be friendly:

Also I might as well say that I was blocked last night. Apparently I didn't go out on to the streets because of fear of violence. My character is such a coward!

1. How am I trying to be friendly?
2. Why is being friendly a scumtell anyway?

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ThAd- What actions do you think were scummy? Just being vague like that makes it so I can’t defend myself.

Mainly the trying to dictate to the town not to lynch xvart with the "pardon" gambit, and the refusal to vote someone who had a chance to be lynched at the end.

And for the record, this is a strategic cool-headed self-wagon. People need to BELIEVE in not listening to scum - EVER.

VOTE: DGB

Again? Why are you always voting for yourself?

^^ this is why dgb would NEVER BE RECRUITED

[ThAdmiral]

So....

Now we have three people to ignore - the two cult-leader treestumps and dgb.

[ThAdmiral]

SECRET SCUMTELL FROM DGB

SRSLY?

Magister Ludi has pretty much outed himself as scum anyway.

I've seen what you are referring to, and he hasn't really.

ThAd 1462- I stand by that pardon gambit. Not only did it help me get a decent read on a player (NS), but I don't see how harmful it is since the wagon on xvart was based on out of game characteristics of the player and not by what xvart did in this game. And to the second point, I did not want a no lynch yesterday. Rather I wanted everyone to be voting someone they actually thought was scum. There is a difference between that and trying to get a no lynch.

Yeah, on reflection you actually look fairly ok yesterday. I still have you as a reasonably good chance of being a recruit given that you fit the description for a night 0 recruit, and you got so little heat yesterday you would also be a good night 1 recruit. For now though...

unvote

Do you understand, however, that while it would be ideal if everyone could always vote only the person who is their top scumpick, sometimes it is better for the town as a whole if people don't do this?

All in all, though, I think we've got more likely suspects then her.

Care to share a few of these?

I did not believe she was town yesterday at the end of the day.

Really? Because all I remember from yesterday was:

vote DGB

derailing the lead wagon she pushed tirelessly from the start of the game. GO GO SPEEDLYNCH!

Which didn't seem all that serious, and was immediately backed up with this:

Meh DGB, lets count it as a point against you and will be scrutinising you carefully tomorrow.

unvote vote yos

THIS SELFVOTE STUFF IS MORE LIKELY SOME SORT OF SCUMGAMBIT TRYING TO APPEAL TO EMOTION TO NOOBS WHILE THE OTHER SCUMZ TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

RIGHT. WHEN HAS SELF VOTING EVER BEEN A GOOD SCUM STRATEGY? 99% OF THE TIME IT RESULTS IN THE SELF-VOTERS LYNCH.

Most likely night 1 kill 2006 what up?

Ok, but here it seems that the mafia aren't killing, unless they killed dry-fit, or were both roleblocked. So I don't think that would be a factor when the mafia are deciding whether to recruit you or not.

You being targeted by the scum a lot isn't actually an argument in favor of you being town in this setup, fritzler.

These.

First game back after a year and a half sabbatical (called Afghanistan), N1 vig. Holler.

Still... I don't think something like that would put recruiters off. That seems a bit one off.

Guys, how plausible do you think it is that the whole DGB/Kinetic thing is a gambit on their part as cult together?

Not really plausible at all. How plausible do you think it is?

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Did someone call Cobblerfone out on his bulletproof claim, BEFORE he volunteered said information? If so, then he's highly unlikely to be the recruit. Butchering a claim is not a scumtell.

To be fair it can be, but I don't think it is in this case.

vote: magisterludi

this vote will only come off if you can explain better than you have been why you think seraphim might be lying.

That being said...

A. Targeted Yos last night and
B. Found out information

I can confirm A and mostly confirm B. There is the off-chance I was roleblocked but I don't think I was.

What? Either you were roleblocked and got no information, or you got information. How can you not be sure?

[ThAdmiral]

I don't believe people are still voting cobbler!

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Wait, hero claimed a guilty on poro?

vote: poro

[ThAdmiral]

N1 or n2 recruit?

[ThAdmiral]

Fun game, but I think I died before I was able to get my teeth really stuck in to it.

Congrats to the winning cult!

Thanks for hosting flay!