Colour Concentration Mafia (Mini 1174) - Over

[Meransiel]

Uh, mhi guys, what's cookin'?

Vote: Ghostlin

[Meransiel]

Vote: Voided

Remember thinking he was scum yesterday. Was gonna talk to my other head but he hasn't returned my calls so I'll go with this for now. Let me go see if I can remember why, I swear it was on the first page somewhere.

Wtf, isn't this the hammer?

[Meransiel]

prod dodge

[Meransiel]

SC, you need to claim next post.

[Meransiel]

Wow, you people are thick.

[Meransiel]

I will have time for content later. Right now we must lynch scum. I have role-related reasons to believe Coug is scum, therefore...

Therefore, you guys suck.

[Meransiel]

Who said anything about a

night

action?

Vote:Coug

Claim please.

[Meransiel]

@Glass: If I elaborated he would know what to claim.

[Meransiel]

I just softclaimed a role with day action and you post that? Wow.

[Meransiel]

@Glass: Careful. I need Coug to claim because if he lies he is scum. Meaning, I don't have a honest-to-God, confirmed guilty on him.

[Meransiel]

I refuse to disclose information that would help you get away.

[Meransiel]

The OP says nothng about people having day abilities off the start?

I obviously just got it.

...Who says that all the people of a colour got the same power SC?

Relevant.

So yeah, here's the deal: if 2 more people who are not SC agree that I should claim, I will claim. But if that happens, I will forever hate your guts, because it will like 100% give SC a free pass to tomorrow.

[Meransiel]

*the "your" in the above post is a plural

[Meransiel]

It perfectly does if you know my role. Which, thankfully, you don't (yet).

[Meransiel]

The thing is, given the nature of my power, if you get away from it once there is nothing I can do. So that's why your claim is most urgent.

[Meransiel]

Glass, if you start to understand my role, you also understand WHY I got it so early, hopefully.

[Meransiel]

Damn.

I'm yellow. Once per day, I can send someone's name to the mod, and he will tell me if that person is "concentrated" or not, meaning, if anyone of his color is dead. I got a yes for Coug, meaning either red, yellow, or scum, so if he claimed blue we'd catch him.

So

Unvote

By the way, I guess you can see how my power gets gradually weaker by design. Docs, if any, don't protect me.

[Meransiel]

Well given the nature of my power, if a Blue dies I become a sort of vanilla. So I don't see the point in protecting me.

Anyway, Coug did quite overreact, I wonder if there's something there anyway...

[Meransiel]

Well, assuming equal spread of colors, there is a (rather) risky way of checking Coug's claim. And the more I think of it the more logical it sounds.

If you people agree: I think it will be helpful for ALL red players to claim. If there are 3 claims total, one of them must be scum, so we should get scum with 2 mislynches at most (which is fine at this point). If only 2 people claim red we have 2 confirmed town, which is also cool.

Opinions?

[Meransiel]

Given the high chance of giving us the scum on a silver platter, I think the information they will also obtain is pretty much irrelevant.

Worst case scenario: we kill two town and 1 scum
Second worst case scenario: we get 2 confirmed innocents
Best case scenario: we nail scum today.

I think flavor is very valuable to us this game, why not use it?

[Meransiel]

What I'm confused about is why Merans thought he could catch Coug in a lie. Theoretically, he would get a yes for roughly 2/3 of town. Plus, how do we know what other colour(s) are out there? Blue hasn't come up yet. It may very well be green. (I mean, primaries makes sense, but still.)

I was giving an example with blue. Might as well be fuchsia.

ALSO, if he claimed yellow it would've been VERY easy to prove/disprove his claim, so...my money was on him not saying red.

[Meransiel]

It made sense for all primaries to be in the game.

Anyway, isn't losing a PR less important than catching a scum? I thought that is site meta.

[Meransiel]

@Rhin: He was refusing to claim and I got to scare him into talking somehow. I don't understand what exactly are you implying here, that I have secret reasons to believe he's scum or that I made my role up after my initial reaction?

[Meransiel]

Yeah, it had, but if anything I'd take that as a townslip from rhino.

[Meransiel]

Nah, originality is not really my thing (and to be perfectly honest I doubted that, assuming reds would have claimed and Coug is town, a scum wouldn't have fakeclaimed just to get rid of Coug, endangering himself)

Anyway, my mind apparently rotting, so...what's the case on Hiplop again?

[Meransiel]

EDIT: *would have fakeclaimed

[Meransiel]

That all? Pretty slim a reason to lynch someone. We're really getting arrogant.

[Meransiel]

@jedo:

1. You actually serious about lynching HotDog? Please headdesk yourself.
2. Why is SC clear?

[Meransiel]

2. It's not your opinion per se, but the WAY you voiced it, that got me thinking.

1. Dude, you know what's real important when labeling someone as scum? To find scum MOTIVATION in his actions. He hasn't done anything is a good reason to suspect someone if he's the congenial guy nobody wants to lynch, or if you're really into that lynch all lurkers shit. But God forbid you actually find something scum MOTIVATED in virtually anything HotDog has ever posted. I dare you to try, fail, and come back crying.

[Meransiel]

@Glass: Um...thanks for putting my thoughts into words that cleanly. I still suck at it >D.

@Jedo, SC: You kidding? Might be me on drugs, but HotDogs is like so town-looking it hurts. Not being pro and being kinda anti hasn't much to do with the alignment of non-wallers. And no limelight? The guy hammered for fuck's sake.

[Meransiel]

Rhino vs Jedo DOES look pretty town on town, but for now that is mostly based on gut so I'd wait to see more of it. No, not more arguments, theirs are being weak anyway, more interaction and tone.

As for Glass and SC...let me put this straight, Glass...though I do agree with some stuff you're saying, there were also things you tossed around, and this kind of tunneling does no good.

[Meransiel]

Ultimately, I'm still laughing my ass out at the people suspecting HotDogs. Though I'm on a PSP and that does hamper the quality of my posts, actual defense of him with quotes and shits and giggles coming later today.

[Meransiel]

Eto...aggresiveness is not really a reliable tell when the top wagon is the one you attack (i.e. when said scumpartner is beyond hope). This gets you towncred and, in this game, scum gets upgrades when their kin die, so...

Jedo and SC your strongest scumreads I take it, Rhin?

[Meransiel]

@Leis: I say the tunneling is bad as in counterintuitive, it is not scummy due to lack of a railroad.

So far I got 2 town (HotDogs and Rhino for brashness, maybe xvart, not really sure) and a ton of neutrals (maybe apart from SC, maybe).

Will try to look for more scum motivated actions as the game develops, as for now, gotta sleep.

[Meransiel]

So many V/LAs...

[Meransiel]

Mafia 101: Bussing scumpartners is done for towncred.
Mafia 101: Popping votes around does not give towncred.

Point taken, I hope?

[Meransiel]

@Leis, good lynches, IMO, are SC (my only real scum read atm, also informative) and after a reread, hiplop (his attacks against hiphop were weak, but hiphop didn't call him out on it a lot, consistent to a bus+defend play).

[Meransiel]

I like the way HD reasons with his (other) head. I must say I have a hard time with it though. So basically you're regarding him as scummy per way of him dropping a scrutinizing perspective in favor of going with the majority? Sorry, but townies CAN compromise/be lazy.

But the post you pointed out in #385 is very telling. And NOT of scum. Basically a "point fingers in all directions" due to pretty believable uncertainty.

You honestly think he's a good lynch for today?

[Meransiel]

EBWOP: #383

[Meransiel]

Some attention-paying would have been nice. Why did it not occur to him to check the count? I don't care who it's on; sloppy hammering is a sign of inattentiveness and inattentiveness is a scum tell in my book.

No...

[Meransiel]

I hate softball.

Vote: SC

pam pam

[Meransiel]

Actually, SC, I explained why. Mafia 101, remember? And stressing his carelesness, you're proving my point.

Anyway, to reiterate: scum bus partners that are getting killed for towncred. They make their bus votes consistent to keep the towncred. No content=antitown, not scummy.

HD is not scum because scum would never emulate town like that.

[Meransiel]

Clarification: If scum, HD would have nothing to gain from putting votes on his teammates, considering the way he did it. Ergo, he found gain in the deaths themselves. 'ere ye go, town.

[Meransiel]

I do find something interesting in the way xvart follows up his ideas with streams of thought that can get confusing at times, but always ends his thoughts with a clear statement.

@hiplop: I know you're a busy man and this game is not of much importance to you given your hugely overtaxing schedule, but...why?
@HotDogs: Can you please contradict my #384? I just like being contradicted.

[Meransiel]

Ehh, Dogs, you still need to convince us harder that Jedo is a really good lynch.

I'll wait.

[Meransiel]

I already said Jedo is the wrong move. But still...

@Jedo: get your ass in here!

[Meransiel]

I have no towncase on Jedo. I gave an alternate interpretation to his actions because it seemed reasonable, not Za Truth. I have him as neutral.

[Meransiel]

I find it deeply frustrating when a player decides to just give up like that. Even feats of rage ala Scumhunter are better.

[Meransiel]

Question is, which do we lynch first?

[Meransiel]

Not against that call.

Vote: Jedo the Jedi

[Meransiel]

It's not a day action, weird enough.

[Meransiel]

It is investigative. And I obv didn't use it yet, being that I just got it and all.

[Meransiel]

Actually, on second look, it is both protective and investigative.

Do you want a full claim?

[Meransiel]

Fair enough. Once per night I can investigate and protect the same person.

How is that relevant to today's lynch, given that I produced no results yet?

[Meransiel]

Protective Cop. My first one was Concentration Cop.

I detect alignment, not colour.

[Meransiel]

That's a rather big leap there.

Rhino was a Macho Cop, it stands to reason that I get better than that.

[Meransiel]

Wait, where exactly is that stated?

Plus, consider that Mafia advance just as town does. By now them having a strongman is not out of the question.

[Meransiel]

How peculiar...

[Meransiel]

That could be read 2 different ways..maybe that just means the scope of roles in this game is limited to investigation/protection. Like, no roleblockers and vigs.

[Meransiel]

@Mod: Please clarify that for us.

[Meransiel]

Now, you're the one grasping at the most obvious conclusion with no consideration to alternatives.

I, for one, will wait for the mod to respond.

[Meransiel]

Wow, your ego must be to the roof if you think that makes my lynch inevitable. Or if you think you can bullshit your way out of this tomorrow after I flip town.

On the plus side, scum caught! Or rather turned himself in.

Vote: Leis

[Meransiel]

Same. Hence me voting you.

[Meransiel]

Jedo is up for grabs anyway.

If you were town, your very FIRST post would've been a vote on me. Not this imbalance/semantics bs. Which is scum motivated as fishing for stuff to advantage you in a 1 v 1 that you, as town, wouldn't conceive losing.

[Meransiel]

Lol, and you say I'm speculative. Btw 1 shot protective is much weaker than macho cop.

Well, as you say, we're winning anyway, so I won't rage at your petty attempts.

[Meransiel]

People, stop being aberrant. There is only 1 yellow left and 2 people claiming it. Your vote MUST be on one of us, lest puppies die.

[Meransiel]

Bulletproof is, without a doubt, weaker than Macho Cop. And anyway, your 1-shot anybody protection you're claiming to have had isn't really a downgrade of what you have right now. And ultimately: it is very advantageous to scum to claim bulletproof.

@xvart: No, I lost the concentration thing.

[Meransiel]

Well, what the heck.

Vote:self

Boom, town wins.

Ok, some things:

1. I didn't tell SC about the plan. Sorry, buddy.
2. I didn't do it for towncred, but for CONFIRMATION. I hoped inv roles would find it unlikely that I could've 1 shotted scum and investigate me. Which is great given the power scum receives when he's alone: Ninja Roleblocker.
3. I was devastated when I shot yellow. Honestly I tried to hit blue so that my fake role would vanillize, but red could do aswell.

[Meransiel]

EDIT: Ninja Godfather, not rb

@leis: I was honest with my observation. Keep in mind for further games, the FIRST thing you must do to a confirmed scum is put a vote on him. Then shits and giggles.

@mod: I know that in this game town was mediocre and scum HORRIBLE, especially me, but this is the truth:

The setting is unwinnable for scum. The moment you hit mylo, equal colour spread reveals who the mafia are instantly. If you make a 2nd, I suggest unequal spread.

[Meransiel]

Scum powers:

4: nothing
3: delayed kill
2: kill (delayed kill lost)
1: kill + ninja godfather

Yeah, strong.

[Meransiel]

@Seacore's example:

If town lynches wrong they can just jail the (now conf) scum and win next day.

Also, if you make another game, DON'T inform people in advance that they're poisoned.

[Meransiel]

Mediocre=/=bad

Basically, you won without working for it. Voided was an accident, hiphop burried himself, the rest you know. Did we as scum deserve to lose (maybe except SC)? Yes.

The fact that us losing=you winning is mere coincidence. Again, you DIDN'T play badly, that's not what I was saying.

Seacore, call me horrible at balance, but if this had a slightly better town and LARGELY better mafia, it would've warranted the same result.