Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Magister Ludi]

Maybe I underestimate peoples motivations here. DGB, is your preferred play to survive, get hopefully recruited by the CR's, and win with that particular cult? Because Its like getting blood from a stone from you and several other players.

[Magister Ludi]

You also need to vote Yos2 and not xvart.

[DrippingGoofball]

My preferred play is to HUNT SCUM, and avoid recruitment. I also want to be alive tomorrow to give you all instructions before I die young.

It's very simple.

[Herodotus]

@Albert: Do you have daytalk? Assuming things are symmetric between you and Kinetic, I may have a lead, but I'd rather not elaborate until you've answered.

I suppose kinetic can try answering too, but I'm not going to be overly trusting, obviously.

Are you saying you trust Albert more than Kinetic? If so, why?

Because I said that I had a reason to suspect that I knew whom kinetic had recruited, depending on the answer to my question; so kinetic theoretically has a reason not to want to reveal that information. (But in fact I was lying, it's Albert's recruit I had a lead on. I reversed it because I thought Albert was more likely to answer, as kinetic has been guarded.) I'll elaborate on my suspicion in the near future.

Also, I see no need for you to echo what I said, then Yos repeated, about Ludi's logic re: the xvart wagon.

Regarding cobbler's claim, I remember seeing it as him responding to the issue of being sure that xvart was town because cobbler was guessing xvart might be unrecruitable because they had the same role name. So I don't think much of the attacks on him over a scum-serving claim. The seed for his claiming was planted before the first votes on him. So if that was a scumplot, it was absurdly subtle.

What, ABR, are you saying that Tanarin was your recruit?

He's saying that. But he's just messing with us because he knows DGb is faking the daykill ability.

[Magister Ludi]

Ok, DGB. Which CR recruited xvart. Who did the other go for?

[DrippingGoofball]

Ok, DGB. Which CR recruited xvart. Who did the other go for?

I don't care... why does it matter? xvart is a reasonable recruit all around... who cares which scum would have picked him???

We can lynch him and find out.

[Mr. Flay]

Third Vote Count of Day One:

xvart - 7 (DrippingGoofball, Cecily, Yosarian2, Seraphim, Fritzler, Nobody Special, bvoigt)
Cobblerfone - 4 (xvart, Flameaxe, Porochaz, Tanarin)
Magister Ludi - 3 (springlullaby, Bunnylover, Battousai)
springlullaby - 1 (Herodotus)
Chronopie - 1 (RaudhrGarm)
Fritzler - 1 (Zdenek)
Battousai - 1 (ThAdmiral)
Seraphim - 1 (ooba)
Yosarian2 - 1 (Magister Ludi)

Not Voting: 5 (Chronopie, Dry-fit, Katsuki, populartajo, Cobblerfone)

With 25 voters, it will take 13 to lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

Cobblerfone wagon is terribad.

13 to lynch, guys.

Let's get the job done.

[Herodotus]

Maybe I underestimate peoples motivations here. DGB, is your preferred play to survive, get hopefully recruited by the CR's, and win with that particular cult? Because Its like getting blood from a stone from you and several other players.

I think you're underestimating how utterly pointless your questions appear to some of us. Even after I answered your question, you complained that I named more than one person.

And why is it that you don't seem to think that populartajo, Raudhr, dry-fit, bunnylover, etc. aren't trying to pass time until they're recruited?

[Magister Ludi]

I hadn't pondered that deeply but its entirely possible.

[Magister Ludi]

What questions would you rather have asked?

[Bunnylover]

Perhaps. But I don't want to even mention any hidden chance town has to win against the juggernauts.

Who would you have recruited?

Me personally?
I would have done ABR.
After ABR, then it would be pops.

Oh wait. What the hell am I doing.

Unvote, Vote Katsuki

Obvious lurker recruit is obvious. How could I forget that ._.
More then likely, I would say Katsuki is ABR recruit.

"One lucky vig, does not a great player make."

-Albert B. Rampage

This is so much fucking WIFOM that I want to burn it with fire.
Seriously.
Why the hell would you have to be a CR <_<.

@ML: To be honest, I've forget. I think it had something to do with you trying to take an early control of the game and control on who we focused on. I know I had somewhat reason for voting you.

[springlullaby]

What, ABR, are you saying that Tanarin was your recruit?

No, he's pretending that he's never, ever heard of fake dayvigs. They're all real.

DON'T LISTEN TO THE CONFIRMED SCUM

How many times am I going to have to tell you?????????

*slap springlullaby*

* oh really, but secretly enjoys the slap anyway*

[Zdenek]

Zdenek- ... Why? Bank clerk and banker are very similar roles. What role do you think I would have as a bank clerk, that wouldn't be applied to a banker?

I didn't and don't have one in mind. Banker just sounds better than bank clerk to me. Also that particular decision was partly because I remember reading somewhere in Mafia Discussion that Adel found that he was lynched less when he had his gender set as female, so I kept her over you because of the chance that one of the recruiters might have taken a gamble on that idea.

[Porochaz]

Cobblerfone wagon is terribad.

13 to lynch, guys.

Let's get the job done.

No the xvart wagon is that horrible word you used. Lynching xvart because he is a good player is not a good wagon!

[ooba]

So him claiming unrecruitable is either a "good scum play", or it's a "REALLY bad town play", and that makes me suspicious.

I'm just coming from the PoV of the recruiters, given the choice between
a) Recruiting relative inexperience and having "claim unrecruitable" as a get of jail free card (AND)
b) Recruiting the elite (you for example)
Choice b always beats Choice a because of the added risk of the inexperienced player really fumbling it up.

I think Cobbler is more scum than town at this moment, his claim does not make any sense as town, and I don't think anyone town,

especially a newbie would claim that fast under very little pressure.

Disagree with this part .. This question to Tanarin too - You've never seen newbies claim with just one or two votes on them?

DGB - support me on Sera - call it a strong vibe ..

Manana, manana...

Does xvart specifically getting lynched today an integral part of tomorrow's plan? While I see the merits in limiting discussion to as few players as possible - Poro, Sera also fit the middle-of-the-line (Good play and don't get lynched often type players) criteria and have pinged my scumdar. Why ignore them?

Cult Recruiters are people too

This made me laugh ..

I also want people to comment on what people would have happend should ABR and Kinetic both picked the same person N1.

I've already posted my thoughts on this ..

[ThAdmiral]

What, ABR, are you saying that Tanarin was your recruit?

No, he's pretending that he's never, ever heard of fake dayvigs. They're all real.

DON'T LISTEN TO THE CONFIRMED SCUM

This time I completely agree with you. Abr's faking defeat was quite laughable.

[ThAdmiral]

You know what...

vote: xvart

he's a good a chance as any.

[Flameaxe]

You know what...

vote: xvart

he's a good a chance as any.

Cool bandwagon, bro. If he's a good a chance as any, why vote him over any? Any has been pretty scummy.

[Battousai]

I'm more confident with my vote on Ludi since my last post.

Ludi- I did not vote you for being a probable recruit. I voted you for trying to get town to focus their scumhunting on those who would be recruited (which is anti-town at best). I backed it up with the fact that you would be a decent choice for a recruit. My main point was and still is you trying to get town to focus on outguess the players, and your recent posts is you trying to get us to outguess the mod (which is at best, active lurking).

Post 344- No one cares what would have happened if one of the recruitments failed N0. It didn't happen, and it will have no impact later on.

346- You try and make DGB look scummy for refusing to answer. There is plenty of information town withholds.

[Cobblerfone]

@Cobbler why did you claim?

xvart's points against me were understandable. If I ignored his points or lied about my reasons I would've had to have claimed later and would still appear suspicious for ignoring or lying. And probably nobody would have waited for my claim if I ever were to get close to being lynched.

@DGB: Does the plan require an xvart lynch whether town or scum, or a scum-lynch and you just happen to think xvart is scum, or does it require xvart to be scum and lynched?

[Katsuki]

@Cobbler: Claiming this early is stupid, especially as a town-PR in a dualing cult game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: Prod populartajo

[Yosarian2]

@Yos

why do you think cobbler's play is good scum play, yet not voting him?

I think there's a pretty good chance he's scum, and I'm considering voting him. I'm a little reluctant to lynch a claimed unrecrutable, but then again that's exactally why scum would claim unrecruitable, ect, and the main goal has to be to lynch one of the two scum today if we've got any chance of doing so.

[Yosarian2]

You can see, Yos, people are running up xvart to a lynch expressely BECAUSE he if 'hard to lynch' 'a good player' 'not lynched day one'. It is not over the actions he has taken in this game, (or if people think that, the reasons are very weak and not substantiated), but over the fact that he is an ideal lynch for day one because he is NOT (in the views of many) likely to be lynched day one.

Cult Recruiters are people too. They would reason this out.

Lol. Thank you for giving a perfect example of why you never take WIFOM logic to the second degree and beyond.

"X is a low profile but good player who's never lynched day 1, but the town might figure out that I want to recruit a low profile but good player who's never lynched day 1, and might lynch him for being a low profile but good player who's never lynched day 1, so..."

Albert and Kinetic are both decent players, but nobody has a crystal ball THAT good to predict to THAT degree what a town is going to do in advance.

I have yet to see someone in this thread CLAIM they would have recruited xvart, instead the words are something like 'other people would recruit him because he is so good' so he should be lynched off.

Huh? If I was a recruiter, I would have recrutied Xvart. That was my whole pooint.

As for sheeping with a vote, I see no reason to. You aren't going to get buddy reactions, there are none. You didn't attempt to generate discussion from what I could see. It would almost be better if we all talked, all with whatever orginal thoughts popped into our heads, and then lynched someone off.

How are we going to lynch someone off if no one ever votes for anyone that anyone else is voting for? How can we get any information at all if we never wagon anyone?

"Why is everyone so determined to protect the cult recruiters from answering questions here?"

I asked this already and they answered about page 4-5. They had some other interactions back there, so it is critical you read that as well as whatever else you may of missed.

Of course I read what happened back on page 4. It's kind of insulting that you think I didn't. That's not actually the question I was asking, though, and if they had answered the question, I think it would have been a big help to the town.