Mini 1178: Source Code

[monk]

VOTE: tarsonisocelot
for being incredibly scummy, come on you're a fox not an ocelot woman

[monk]

No I didn't know that also hi! I'm a

wild animus

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well that was clearly a vote from meta, TO is clearly being scummy go pick on her

[monk]

Well there we go
VOTE: Parama

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Parama I have no idea what you are talking about I am a VI, always have been and will be for quite a time

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Um I've just realised that if we're going small majority I'm at L-2 [/endtroll]

Mod: what is the lynch number?

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so moving off someone when they are likely to be L-2 is scummy, kay

[monk]

Is that your official read TO? I don't actually get that.
I've got You as town
Parama as town UNVOTE:
Jilynne as newb
Earworm as being incredibly nonverbal not sure what that means off to do some meta
and of course there's Vezo as VIzo

[monk]

posting lots is always good, my read on the fox is largely from meta, you have to be very careful with meta reads, I trust both mine and TO's reads because we know each other away from forums and irl and are considering hydra'ing at some point in the future

[monk]

Um Jily there hasn't really been enough information at the moment to show anything more than gut feelings. I find you pushing for evidence this close to rvs sus so VOTE: jilynne1991

[monk]

Posts for my reads are #21 #29 #12/14/28
TO is tarsonisocelot's preferred abbreviation (Tarsonis Ocelot)
You haven't really been doing much to get out of RVS, mainly just asking questions of "how I play town"

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Jily, my reasons for voting for you are to do with your posts of "how I be town?"

PEdit: Parama I agree with TO for the most part and for my read on TO, it's because of her not wanting to have an early lynch, that's about all we can go on at the moment, This is going to be a stupidly short game, no need to make it shorter by letting people come in and just off someone.
We have still to hear from the two players that you have classed as real players, do you know where they are?

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much the same way that you read almost everyone else, I'm guessing, I don't actually think myself or tarsonisocelot are VI's, for my part I put it in there to troll. You lynch people who are being antitown for the most part and by God I'm sheeping you TO until Parama actually decides to give us something. VOTE: Parama

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I hate you so much vezok

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vezok you need to explain your actions, atm all I see you doing is wagon hopping to the one most likely to be lynched, this is an incredibly scummy move and no "I want to see what happens at a lynch" is not a valid reason

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His Highness the Emp: have our last two players even picked up their role PM's?

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fine VOTE: vezokpiraka

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I gave my reasoning for going to vezok after Paramaribo in my ISO 14, jily has a slight town read because she does this in every game she's playing.
Hoppster why is it unfair to say our reads on your slot have changed due to you actually scumhunting rather than just complaining about everyone else in the thread

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Hoppster I think you are town and are scumhunting compared to parama, whodecided everyone was worthless and proceeded to complain every post after that

[monk]

Monk, may I ask what it is that I do in every game I play?

You ask how to play town every game I'm in with you so I've decided to change it from a scummy read to a null read.

2) Monk, why are you changing votes so quickly?

I'm not really changing votes quickly, each vote has been a reaction to something and each vote has in my mind been reasoned and chosen to do different things.
vote1: tarsonisocelot - guage her reaction, more or less boiled down to omgus, further tunnelling needed
vote2: parama - a touch of trolling and a bit more pressure because he wasn't quite doing what he said he set out to do ie scumhunting
vote3: jily - for asking "how I play town" this has since been moved from a scumtell on jily to a nulltell
vote4: parama - trying to get him to actually be productive
vote5: vezok - bandwagon hopping and just all round wanting a lynch just to see what happens, that's where my vote is staying until I see something more scummy

PEdit: also I'll claim, I was the gunowner until I gave my gun to tarsonisocelot

[monk]

Really think we've got something here, given the superbuddying going on with tarsonisocelot reads to me as a hyperactive defense for being called out by his RL friend. I know, I've abused one rajrhcpfreak in the same manner.

I always buddy with TO, even in a game where I was modding and she was town I buddied TO, on looking back it was a stupid move it compromised me as a mod.

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Really think we've got something here, given the superbuddying going on with tarsonisocelot reads to me as a hyperactive defense for being called out by his RL friend. I know, I've abused one rajrhcpfreak in the same manner.

I always buddy with TO, even in a game where I was modding and she was town I buddied TO, on looking back it was a stupid move it compromised me as a mod.

And when I was lynched as investigated scum last game, you were mislynched the next day. Remember buddying me is only good when you know my alignment.

People were awfully surprised by the Puppet role suddenly appearing (a puppet is a vanilla townie that uses action speech to /do things whenever tha mod tells them to, and has only flavour significance i.e. Mod message:"Dance", next post of puppet begins with /dances).

Anyway, I'm a dayvig. Vezok should start posting useful things or we'll get to see what happens when I shoot the gun I found lying around in my compartment.

I'm trying not to hydra/buddy, really I am. In any case I think my read on you is much more solid than last game, *crosses fingers*

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@earworm: I was told it was oneshot
@jily: my read on TO, the whole quote is a back and forth between me and TO

[monk]

I'd guess I am a bystander, however I have been given no notification of this, before giving the gun to tarsonis I asked Empking whether it was a oneshot gun, he replied with yes. This is why I gave it to her, in the hope that she would kill vezok who was pissing me off at the time, I couldn't give it to myself because from my role PM it was implied that I couldn't.

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If one scum and one lynch + vig in a day that means there is a 3/4 chance for the town to win.

We don't necessarily know that:

a) The Vig isn't scum
b) Lynching the scum means town wins
c) Vig'ing the scum means town wins

My thoughts on your problems:
a) we can make sure the gun goes to an innocent bystander the next day
b+c) you'd hope so considering this is mafia

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I just went through the thread and did some calculations from my point I have 7 people to know whether or not are scum, we have two ways of neutralising people per day. If we find a scum today with one of the kills we shouldn't use it on the same person tomorrow. I don't like the idea of lynching just to see what happens because we invariably have 4 misses before we lose, that is why we only have three days, I believe from this that there are two scum and we need to kill both in one day in order to win.
That said vezok isn't looking as scummy as he was a bit ago now that I've rationally thought about it. UNVOTE: vezokpiraka VOTE: Ellibereth

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I'd rather we vig someone who was scummy. I'm not sure about hoppster being the best option for this. Although I did get alarm bells when he said that he was "Obvtown" I would like to hear other people's thoughts

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Any player can play a game as obvtown regardless of their alignment, at least in my mind they can, while yes I do think you are town I just don't like it when people say oh I'm obviously displaying these characteristics.

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but you're playing parama's slot so you're basically saying I'm obvtown

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Ok that's L-2, having looked at his defense of me that's incredibly circular and blegh. I may put him up to L-1 but not yet I want to see what everyone else thinks of this bandwagon. Having said that UNVOTE: Elliberith comes out swinging town

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On actually looking at the reactions to TO's decision, VOTE: inHimshallibe

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her reasoning is in #168, I personally agree with it and find the way you're acting to be sus, that's why my vote is on you

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Para's town, he wouldn't rage-quit as scum.
Wormy is still scum.
and probably Monk.

What? Why would I be scum? I can understand if you think I'm in a scum team with TO but I had a gun and I gave it to someone, TO backed this up by saying yes I have a gun now. If I get a gun tomorrow then I WILL give it to a confirmed town.

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jily wormykrew isn't playing do you mean earworm? Also be careful where you put your vote as we don't want to lynch someone yet.

Ellibereth:
I think you're town based on how you started posting as soon as you had caught up with the thread
Earworm could be scummy, what are the reasons you think he's scum? I think all the reasons you've put down for him being scummy are in my mind null due to his playstyle.

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thats fine for the moment, now why do you have your vote there?

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EBWOP: Don't ask for permission on where to put the vote, it's your vote just place it where you think pressure needs to be applied

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That is true most of the stuff came from inHim, misreading is fail

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unvote
vote monk

You're got the biggest wagon. And you are the most scummiest around.

Please,PLEASE, Stop being so fucking slow. You aren't doing anything.

You are voting for people hoping to lynch them but you have no idea what that does.

Hey look it's the lurker pot

Blah. Blah.

I want to Spam here.

Does this game even have sense?

unvote
vote vezok

i really want to see what happens when someone gets lynched.

unvote vote parama

Weeeee.

This game is pointless. WEEEEEeeeee.

unvote
vote inhim

Lynch someone already.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

We have to see what lynching does.

Lynch me or whoever. Just lynch.

unvote vote monk

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Hey TO. Please shoot vezok. You are singlehandedly stalling this game by your unwillingness to pull the trigger. Essentially everyone is just waiting around to get some information through your shot before getting a lynch done. So please shoot vezok.

thanks

FTFY

Why do you want vezok to be shot?

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As you can see nothing happens when people die.

YAY.

Who are we killing now? Let's kill everyone at least once.

How do you suggest we do that? Do you have a killing ability? We'd need at least one more to achieve it

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no let's lynch inHim

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As you can see nothing happens when people die.

YAY.

Who are we killing now? Let's kill everyone at least once.

How do you suggest we do that? Do you have a killing ability? We'd need at least one more to achieve it

We kill everyone we can. By my calculations there should be only 2 people not killed at the end.

Fair enough but what happens if we kill a scummy during one of the days? From flavour it appears that we'd need to neutralise them on the last day to win

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seriously guys? You want to vote vezok? The guy who wants to be lynched to see what happens? Jily and Hoppster my two scumspects other than earworm are on that wagon, if you want to lynch one of them then put your votes on one of them, I think TO might agree with me, we'll probably sheep onto ellibereth if you think they're more scummy than inHim

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and then wtf are you voting inhim wut.
stop making me decide between vezok and you.

You and inHim are my two biggest scumspects, vezok purely seems to just want to see what a lynch does, he's even voting for himself, sure this could be him trying to stop a bandwagon against himself but I don't think he'd do that, especially when we haven't been told how to win as town. I don't like the wagon on Vezok is all and you appeared had a choice between vezok and inhim and you chose vezok.

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Where the hell are you getting he wants to kill himself to see what a lynch does?
And no shit I chose vezok over inhim because inhim isn't even a choice in my head. It's vezok or YOU as I said pretty clearly.
Go read vezok's iso right now and tell me a single town thing about it. 1.

While there isn't anything there that I see as particularly town there is also nothing there that is particularly scummy, for your first question: ISO#1, #5-#8, #10, #12, practically his whole ISO in fact.

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As I said there are only three days and there are 8 of us we can only go through 6 suspects if scum escape those three days then it is likely they win

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Kill earworm.

Why?

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At this time since there are no Day kills the person who has the flipreveal power should tell everyone who it is there is no detriment to them unless I give scum the gun, your play is being incredibly silly Jily. VOTE: Jily

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ebwop I meant scumkills not day kills

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Ok fine there were six scum kills yesterday, including themselves, happy?

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no there are no out and out scum kills, it appears that the object of scum is to avoid detection for the three days so that they effectively get away with it this is why we believe that there are two scum as well

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I hate you jily. IMO unless we find the second scum today through the gunshot then we shouldn't lynch earworm if he is scum. Also explain to us how you know the flips. UNVOTE: Jilynne1991 VOTE: inHimshallibe

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so we need to find the other scum and you're not helpful with flips until tomorrow, right. thoughts on an inHim lynch?

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Well that's pretty much a parrot of stuff both me and TO were saying Day 1

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Jily with your claim it looks like you are changing it every time someone questions you on it. STOP IT, STOP IT NOW!!! Tell us what you role is and all the information you know

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Shutting up is the other option, All I want is Jily to stop changing her story

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I haz idea. Gimme gun. Let me shoot jilly lynch someone else.

If game not over we have other person claim. We get al flips and use PoE to find scum.

NO WAY AM I TRUSTING YOU WITH A GUN. NO WAY IN HELL. I DON'T TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT ONE SINGLE IOTA. SO YOU CAN JUST FORGET ABOUT ME SIGNING ON TO THIS IDEA.

this^ unless vezok wants to follow my guidance I don't want to give the gun to him. His suggestion is in no way helpful.

Ok, sorry, my bad, I skim too much. Earworm, you know what's against you?

It's that the mod is willing to confirm that I'm right. I'm not sure how you're planning to fight with that.

I very much doubt that. inHim, Hoppster, TO what do you guys think of jily's claim?
Jily, why do you want to lynch earworm again, basically wasting one of the flips we have today?

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Vezok, I'm sort of more worried about Jily purposefully reducing the number of attmepts we have to get this right, I want to wait for the other three to weigh in before I try anything, (I don't even know if I can give out another gun)

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I do not have the ability to give out another gun, this means one of two things, either earworm is by himself or the two actions (me giving TO the gun and TO shooting earworm) happen all the time now I'm leaning towards the second atm and am so glad that we shot earworm now we need to find the other scum, let's go!

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either we don't get the ability to shoot someone again or earworm is likely to be shot sometime later today, if we get closer to lynch and he hasn't been shot, then quite frankly we've lost if there are two scum and won if there's only earworm

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WHY ARE WE NOT LYNCHING EARWORM?

I see absolutely no reason to keep him around, especially sine he's not being active and talking to people, so it doesn't really give us any more information or anything.

Oh wait, nevermind, I just figured something out. We're going to have to guess tomorrow...since this game can't last any longer than 3 game days.

Also, I'd like to see a little more activity. If the game moves like this, with more people not commenting, town doesn't have anything to figure out.

Whatever, from what I'm hearing, it seems like we only have 2 kills left which are the lynches for today and tomorrow.

Let's say we don't lynch earworm today. There is one scum, we lynch him tomorrow, we win.

Let's say there are 2 scum, which would be proper for the ratio. We try someone else today and then lynch him tomorrow. We lose? Or maybe it's a draw, anyways we don't win.

Let's say we lynch him today. There is one scum, we win. Done.

What about we lynch him today, and try someone else tomorrow. If we're lucky, we win, other wise it's a draw or we lose.

I think the best idea is to not end the day until the day before the deadline, so earworm talks or we get a replacement and force them to talk. I think that gives us more information, so we should lynch earworm tomorrow.

At the moment though, we need everyone to start sharing reads and stuff, otherwise no one has any information to work with.

No one is removed from the game though, we lynched vezok and vezok is still here, this is the reason we are not lynching earworm yet, we may very well end up lynching earworm today, we have either lost the game because there is no way we can neutralise two scum in one day otherwise, I don't think we're going to get anything out of earworm at all that isn't incredibly WIFOMy, as it is we are just going off your word and your actions today have been extremely antitown. We need to know what's going to happen and part of that is waiting

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I don't, though I'd like to see a claim on whoever gave you the gun first

[monk]

who was gun?
Also hoppster I don't like your reasoning for having a quick day

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WHO GAVE THE GUN TO VEZOK?!? TO?!? HOPPSTER?!? ELLIBERETH?!? GAH!!! VOTE: TARSONISOCELOT

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Ok no gun that's fine with me, well no not actually but you know what I mean VOTE: inHimshallibe

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Frustration! Hoppster, what are your thoughts on the town not having a Gun? In fact that question can go to everyone. How do we get around this? Which to me seems to be a bit of a problem unless Earworm dies today at some point, on that note, has earworm just dropped away from this game, what's with that? I'd like to see more wifomy wifom.
The person I'd think most likely to have the Gun at this point would be tarsonis, purely because she had it last.

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Frustration! Hoppster, what are your thoughts on the town not having a Gun? In fact that question can go to everyone. How do we get around this? Which to me seems to be a bit of a problem unless Earworm dies today at some point, on that note, has earworm just dropped away from this game, what's with that? I'd like to see more wifomy wifom.
The person I'd think most likely to have the Gun at this point would be tarsonis, purely because she had it last.

That's the worst argument you can make.

Why is she good with it if she had it last?
She could've hit her scumbuddy.

I on the other hand am confirmed town. Why don't we give the gun to either me or jil?

I didn't say anything about Tarsonis being good, I said that if anyone has the gun its likely to be tarsonis. However there is no gun, if I had the gun I would have given it to you

[monk]

ugh this game and motivation.
Ok.
1. I agree on massclaim. It's totally needed.
2. In theory if we were following the movie, the starting conditions at the beginning of each day should be the same right? So there may have been some trigger we did for the gun. Whoever passed out the gun yesterday...ummm monk right? You got it at the very start of the day or sometime in the middle?

except I asked the mod if I had a gun at the start of this day phase and I don't

[monk]

Whoops reverse hydra-slip

VOTE: Tarsonisocelot I've been thinking much the same as Hoppster actually, and I have been wrong about your alleigance before die fox die

o great and venerable mod: could you possibly fix it up?

[monk]

VOTE: Earworm
bah

[monk]

VOTE: earworm

We're all doomed to repeat this day forever because it has already happened and we're all dead anyway, so I'm going to dance around cackling for the last 8 minutes of my life for eternity.

Batman vote: Jily

Vig vote: inHim, monk

SK votes: Hoppster, vezok

multishot dayvig, multishot dayvig, my kingdom for a multishot dayvig

[monk]

blergh, it was a good game anyway, lotsa fun