Mini 1167 - iPod Mafia - Game Over

[MagnaofIllusion]

Mod Thoughts

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I specifically said that the game was swingy in advertisements and I stand by that. All factions had significant Power but were vulernerable in multiple ways.

That the game went to LYLO I think overall shows that it was balanced.

Fate played a pretty effective game overall. He worked hard (or at least this was my impression) to make sure the Days were short which stymied discussion about the Serial Killer role and allowed him to attack Riceballtail Day 5 on inactivity. Anyone thinking critically about that attack (taking the time to do so) would be easily able to see that the string of 48hour or less days artifically limited the posting some players could make. Fate's biggest mistake was not timely submitting his N3 kill - had he actually sent in the kill on Surye Day 4 would have been a possible Kingmaker Scenario for Town.

The Mafia overall played pretty poorly. Losing Kats Day 1 was very painful and Glass's strong defense of Kats / Chainsaw on several people was obv. NoPoint's 'gambit' Day 4 was horrible exectured since he had access to a Tracker claim and forgot that AGar had claimed the N1 invention. Furthermore he could have killed Fate had he not waited for the deciding hammer from ThAd with the daykill. Being greedy (wanting to save the Daykill for Day 5) cost the Mafia.

Town play was so so. Overall Night actions were used pretty effectively, IMO. LLD's missing the deadline N1 changed the face of the game as AGar would have seen her visit Fate and likely been able to further confirm he was Not Town. RBT and ThAd's play Day 5 was very disappointing. ThAd in particular not bothering to assess anything other than that Fate 'deserved' to win if he was SK bordered on Not Playing to Win in my mind.

I think in the end the faction that played the best (Serial Killer) won, which in general is a pretty good guidline for a fairly well balanced game.

I disagree with those who stated that NoPoint's outing of Fate was poor sportsmanship. He had information that he could use in a quasi-Kingmaker situation and was NOT prevented by the rules as established from using it. In the end it was not any real issue as ThAd didn't bother to pay attention to it anyway.

I'll be happy to discuss any issues the players had with the game.

Thanks all for playing! I hope you had fun.

[bvoigt]

Now AGar and Glass are gonna have to find new scumspects cause THADMIRAL JUST HAMMERED SCUM WITHOUT A CLAIM

<3

Really? Because I find the hammer hella suspicious, thank you very much.

Kats was pushing and pushing and made several consecutive posts without a rebuttal or a claim. Perfect for a scumbag to slide in and hammer going "She wasn't going to claim, she was just stalling lulz."

Fate, you're losing your touch.

This was the post that made me decide to give AGar the invention Night 1. He was sticking to his incorrect reads even after Katsuki's hammer. But by Day 3, it wasn't a strong enough town tell to keep me from voting him.

[bvoigt]

And my record as town just keeps getting worse and worse.

[Fate]

Why am I not surprised.

The info was fine FOR kingmaker situain or PD

He used it POSTHAMMER when he had already lost.

But again, not surprised.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Why am I not surprised.

The info was fine FOR kingmaker situain or PD

He used it POSTHAMMER when he had already lost.

But again, not surprised.

Um frankly ... so what?

Not a single rule in the game about someone who has been hammered not posting.

[Surye]

I happen to believe it to be in poor taste as well. The post was when he was hammered, so it wasn't an attempt to do anything regarding his wincon, just to spite another player. Not against the rules, just in poor taste.

Of course not NEARLY as poor taste as Agar's self vote. That was terrible.

[Fate]

No one said anything about it AGAISNT the rules.

I said it was a DICK MOVE, which it was. To arguer that it wasn't is frankly bullshit.

[vezokpiraka]

No one said anything about it AGAISNT the rules.

I said it was a DICK MOVE, which it was. To arguer that it wasn't is frankly bullshit.

I saw this game ended with a SK win and thought. WOW that guy is good. Then I read it was Fate. Why am I not surprised?

[bvoigt]

Would anyone be interested in a musically-themed game where you can choose your song?

[MagnaofIllusion]

No one said anything about it AGAISNT the rules.

I said it was a DICK MOVE, which it was. To arguer that it wasn't is frankly bullshit.

Its not different than some other Non-Town faction outing another with their dying breathe.

Sorry, you're all worked up and emotional over something that didn't end up mattering.

[Faraday]

ooh MOI! you used a scum dayvig too. great minds think alike!

[MagnaofIllusion]

ooh MOI! you used a scum dayvig too. great minds think alike!

Lulz yeah that was a little odd coincidence.

You should have seen the Reviewer comments on how unbalancing a Mafia Daykill would be. AGM was absolutely right that scum could cruise to endgame as confirmed Town using one. But that fear pretty much melted away once Storm of Swords ended.

[GreyICE]

Game was strongly sided against town win. The number of potential deaths on day 1 was 3 (Weak doctor, SK, Mafia). LyLo came a day early. So as early as day 2, it could be:

5:3:1

Assuming a scum lynch, it could become:

2:2:1

At which point scum could daykill for the win.

That's a scum win on day 3 with 1 mislynch.



The town had very little it could do against this. SK was also somewhat boned, but the fact that the mafia played like garbage (I'm not joking about waffling between Glass and NoPoint N1 as to who was scummier) and the fact that Fate played well, combined with ThAd just playing to lose, cost the game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Game was strongly sided against town win. The number of potential deaths on day 1 was 3 (Weak doctor, SK, Mafia). LyLo came a day early. So as early as day 2, it could be:

5:3:1

Assuming a scum lynch, it could become:

2:2:1

At which point scum could daykill for the win.

That's a scum win on day 3 with 1 mislynch.



The town had very little it could do against this. SK was also somewhat boned, but the fact that the mafia played like garbage (I'm not joking about waffling between Glass and NoPoint N1 as to who was scummier) and the fact that Fate played well, combined with ThAd just playing to lose, cost the game.

Once again you focus on the MOST remote possibilities in making your assessment of balance shows you have much to learn Padawan.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD's missing the deadline N1 changed the face of the game as AGar would have seen her visit Fate and likely been able to further confirm he was Not Town.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[AlmasterGM]

Its not different than some other Non-Town faction outing another with their dying breathe.

...which you don't support, remember?

OFFICAL NOTICE TO THE MOLE -

When your faction offically loses its win condition if you or your cohorts out the rest of this team in thread you will make my personal Blacklist. I'm giving you this warning because I find the set-up to be flawed greatly due to this possibility that my faction can lose do to no fault of my own. You have been warned.

If the mafia still had a chance to win, then I would agree with you - outing Fate would have had strategic value, as it would ensure a lynch was spent somewhere OTHER than on scum. However, nopoint outed Fate post-hammer out of spite. In my mind, this is no different than if the IC mole had outed our team post-loss out of spite in Metropolis.

(Operating under the assumption that the IC had their original win condition before ReaperCharlie fucked everything up, of course - which was when you made that post).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM.

NONONONONONONONO.

WE DON'T REFERENCE METROPOLIS:REVISITED. EVER.EVEREVEREVER.

Also, I agree that this setup was fucked beyond believe for town. >.<

[GreyICE]

Once again you focus on the MOST remote possibilities in making your assessment of balance shows you have much to learn Padawan.

Did this game seriously end in a single Day / Night phase?

Seriously.

Mods your theme and flavor was fantastic but any game that has any possibility of ending by Night 1 isn't well put together. Did you have anyone outside yourselves look over the setup?

AHEM

[MagnaofIllusion]

AHEM

There is a STARTINGLY HUGE difference between a game that can end BEFORE DAY 2 starts and this one. The EARLIEST THIS GAME COULD END WOULD BE –

Day 1 – Lynch Town (8:3:1)
Night 1 – Weak Doc dies protecting, Mafia and SK both hit Town, Inventor is motivated and gives a Gun to Town who Shoots Town (4:3:1)
Day 2 – Lynch SK (4:3)
Night 2 – Mafia kills Town and Wins.

So the ABSOLUTE earliest the game could end would be N2, not N1. Furthermore I can run the statistics if want me to quantify ( on a pure random chance model anyway ) the difference in probabilities between this game and Cupcake Mafia.

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...which you don't support, remember?

No, I don’t support factions that are freely handed the identies (with no outlay of resources) of all other scum factions using that information to play Scortched Earth.

NoPoint wasn’t freely handed Fate’s Identity. He had to use a NK (which was wasted) to obtain the information. World of difference.

[Katsuki]

YEAH FUCK THIS

I READ FATE PROPERLY AS SCUM

I JUST HAPPENED TO BE SCUM TOO. = =

/forgot about SK possibility rofl.

[ThAdmiral]

In my defense I didn't know that bulletproof is apparently an automatic scumclaim.

I think power-wise town probably deserved another role so I didn't think it was out of the question at all.

[nopointinactingup]

I agreed that my gambit was horribly executed. But I think making moves to dispose of the SK was the right thing to do. I didn't expect ThAd would hammer me right away considering what he had been saying about Fate.
Moreover, the point of being confirmed town is that you get killed by the SK, easily, just like GI and Surye.
@GI: Again, people are not supposed to act townish if they are GF. How right you are just turned to how wrong you are with that kind of hindsight.
@Fate: I won't apologize for what I'm allowed to do. You can go cry or whatever

[Fate]

You're allowed to do anything

Does that justify everything?

Want to take this to MD so your hypocrisy can be revealed to the SITE?

You had lost, so you CRIED and outed me during your tantrum

[nopointinactingup]

I've outed you way before I had lost.
And yes, it justifies a lot of things.

[Fate]

Last scum being hammered =/= losing? WHY I NEVER