Mini 1181 - Buffy Mafia

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Excellent!
/confirm

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VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
I'll scooby with you LLD.

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Wait why are we townreading LLD?
Attacking credibility is on my 'scumtells scum don't actually do' list with other premeditated & unnecessary evils.

he has moved from a town voting block

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
What's town about it?

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Okay, I can sort of buy that. Still minor Bayesian scumpoints, but if scum you're RVSdunmattersoletsdistance...ing anyway.
VOTE: MOI

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I don't actually know if scum use the "X is attacking my credibility" logic more; I just think it's nonuseful. And MOI's wagon was bigger.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toast
"There is stuff why didn't you comment usefully" was my reaction to him too.
Jason & MJJ are his scumbuddies.
I've always wanted to be in a quicklynchallthescum game.

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Doesn't mean I'm wrong. And downplaying in 61 doesn't make me less confident.

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Something like that.
I found MOI mildly scummy for his proposed alliance, then LLD posted ewwbadlogic & her 'town bloc' possibleslip.
She explained herself okay and MOI's wagon seemed bigger / more productive and I figured if LLD was scum MOI was probably scum too as badlogicked spats feel bussy.
Then MOI pointed out Toastbehavior that had previously bothered me, so MOI got townpoints for wavelengthsharing.

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Also MJJ isn't as obvscum as Toast & Jason.
Jason is Angelus and fakeclaimed Angel in 58.

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Eh, I don't think scum claim miller that often. Too much risk of a vig or a rolebased lynch. And spikemiller means if Angel's in play he's probably Angeluscum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jason

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Toasty already explained that and his thought process made sense.
He claims to have received "You're spike, town aligned demon. Scooby gang might not trust you though due to your demonic nature."
And asked for clarification if this made him a miller, then gotten it, then posted. Seems reasonable to me.
And scum don't often post "what would be my motivation for making such a bad lie" either. Too cheeky.

So my townlist contains Toasty, MOI, LLD. Jason is scum.

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Angel is just as demon as spike is, and I find multiple millers unlikely from a gamemechanics standpoint.
I suppose it's possible we have some kind demon flavor cop (Giles perhaps) and most demons are evil?

You and Jason were scum because of your posts.
Specifically, you were like 'this alliance thing is a topic of interest' and but made a vote irrelevant to that topic.
Then Jason totally ignored everything of note and OMGUS crossvoted for the distance, then made that lovely downplay-of-scumteamsuspicion post.
Then Jason made his 'I could be intrigued by this LLD slip; any townies wanna help me mislynch her for it?' post.
And now Jason is "not a scumread" to you and you get out of his wagon and counterattack me.

Jason can die today and after he flips scum you can die tomorrow.

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Calling me LL is going to cause confusion. Locke Lamora is LL. Lady Lambdadelta is LLD. I'm Llama or Marble, maybe Mar if you're really lazy.

@MOI68:
I don't find alliance proposals scummy in general, but I got minor negative vibes from the size and timing of yours and it was something to RVSpush on.
Ewwbadlogic is different from ewwscumlogic; it too is worthy of early pursuit but 'does this actually come from scum' has to be considered.
I said Jason claimed Angel because he said "Angel is better" and accused LLD of being soulless, which would suggest he isn't and that that is significant.
Angel is the character who is most notably nonsoulless. Spike too but now that's been claimed and his post didn't mention spike.

Acro:
Even as scum I wouldn't asspull names and make up reasons for them being scum; I'd look at which townies other townies would see as scum.
Asspulling might set in down the road if I felt it was important to lynch a specific player and they weren't actually scummy enough.

I'm not rushing into a lynch. I am rushing into useful discussion. Threat of quicklynch produces Real Pressure (tm).
I do think Jason is the best lynchcandidate so far but yeah we should figure out who his buddies are for real before obliterating his evil ass.
And yeah the Angelus fakeclaiming Angel thing is not at all the central point of my case.
This latest post is scumgold too.
"I will be looking at her to see who she is distancing and buddying with." WHAT.
"I have a vote on you, that is not fencesitting it's taking a stance." LOLOLOLOL.

Not a fan at all of Edmund or Acronach.

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Right. You made a point of LLD being soulless. Having a soul is a matter of significance to Angel because it is unusual for a vampire. And you mentioned Angel.

P. Edit:
Meh if I drew a lyncher in a theme game I think I would just claim 1shotdaycop at some point with a guilty on the guy I was supposed to lynch.
Mass name claim is interesting, but is more likely to help scum than town unless scum weren't given safeclaims.
Yes, if I was scum and the situation called for it I would do more or less that.
Heavy rhetoric as town happens when I DO think it has merit.

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Excellent!
VOTE: Dekes

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Uh nobody died. I don't understand why we're considering multiscums or third parties at this point.
And don't bodyguards do things like dying or killing the attacker or something when their protect-ee gets targeted?

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Actually I guess the heart-thing could explain one party's night action.
In case he's town Dekes should claim fully everything his role does.

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HAHAHA! AWESOME!
VOTE: LOOKER

Also:

I suppose it's possible we have some kind demon flavor cop (Giles perhaps) and most demons are evil?

And some of the Jasoncredit is surely mine, oh excellent scoobypartner.

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I assume no guilty happened then?
I still want to win today.
I kind of had town on Farside if I remember right, but that's a fairly old read.
My role PM had a similar 'you're not a demon despite X' kind of thing cluing me into demons probably being scum, so that matches up.
But yeah the sample PM clearly says townie and looker's just saying human is dubious.

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Haha, MoI is indeed not voting.
I'm Tara Maclane. Townie. My family thought I was a demon but I'm human.

No mention is made of it in my role, but I'm curious if Willow goes berzerk when I die.

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dont feel like claiming and

i have no problems with being investigated

Yay Acronach is a claimed Mafia Godfather!
VOTE: Acronach

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You were trying to draw both the investigation AND the NK??
And this was supposed to be pro town?

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Aw, okay.

Unvote: Acronach

I need to go back and read everybody.

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Though if he's a GF you telling me not to be voting him doesn't matter so much.
I guess we'll see what scumpower makes sense off all the claims.

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Oh you did get a Demon on Looker? I thought that was retracted. Now I'm really confused.
Looker claimed Human who was formerly a Demon, which isn't a millerclaim.
So unless they were framed (bizarre choice) they're lying.
So if you did get a guilty we should just lynch them immediately.
Massclaiming when it won't affect lynchpick is bad.
And multiscums seems relatively unlikely after 1 kill in 2 days.
So we just plain win lynching Looker, yes?

VOTE: Looker

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Why are we massclaiming if there's a copguilty??
I only went along because I thought it was retracted.

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So then we should just claim Demonhood not role then, yes?

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Hey looker, we're lynching you today. Any idea who is scum?
If you want to claim scum that might save all involved some time.

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Looker didn't actually even claim miller, they claimed _former_ demon so I'm feeling pretty good about this.

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High fives for everyone!

I've always wanted to be in a quicklynchallthescum game.

And now I have.