Open 295 -- Island Paradise Mafia -- Game Over

[izakthegoomba]

My biggest dislike was Sundy. Now, I'm thinking his partner was toast, even more so after that thing Jora pointed out.

Scum Roles

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather
TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass)
TTTTT = 2 Goons + Godfather
TTTT = 2 Goons + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune)
TTT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune, Investigation Immune)
T = Spy + Roleblocker + Godfather
0 Ts = Spy + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune, Investigation Immune, Spy Immune, Roleblocking)

What I glean from that is that there must be no more than 4 Ts. Any more and we would win already. The setup is TTTVD??, with no mor than one more T, meaning we must still have at least one power role. In fact, since an SK is unlikely, we probably have two more. Right? Or have I missed something big?

[Jora]

Yes, probably you missed that part:

Mafia and SK abilities are not revealed on death. They merely flip "Mafia" and "Serial Killer"

i.e. godfather may be dead by now. Imo Godfather's death not equels to the mafia's defeat.
The only Godfather's ability is that he will be shown to the (Sane) Cop as not guilty.

The setup (TTTTT = 2 Goons + Godfather) seems plausible. It is 5xT=3 scums and two PR.
Obviously that is the case. Just read the rules thoroughly and you'll get it.

[izakthegoomba]

Oh right, I get it. I just missed one tiny bit.

[ToastyToast]

All I can say regarding the sundy buddying accusations is that I was leaning town on Sundy for most of the game. Even yesterday, I felt that DRK would have been a more accurate choice. Scum generally bus their buddies at least once, which means I am one to believe that scum in goomba/myself/fitz. I also feel like scum would have

been on

the sundy wagon if they felt their was enough suspicion away from them.

@havingfitz: why do you have a town read on goomba?
@goomba: why do you have a town read on havingfitz?

I'm fine with Toast as long as MS is next on the block. With us being down to the last 5 players I don't have a problem lining up lynches (if it comes to a Day 5). I don't think I could be convinced att to go after either izak or }|{opa based on their voting throughout the game. If either of them do turn out to be scum then their bussing did the trick.

Except we can only line up the lynches two times. So, its best not to chain. Your assuming that it HAS to be either me or MS, which troubles me. Also, votes are just a part of scumhunting and going based solely on them is stupid. You have to ask: what was my motivation for the wagons? What were my reasons?

Thinking about it, havingfitz trying to turn town on farside has an odd motivation behind it. With the no kill, its possible scum thought they had found serial killer, or wanted a chance to shoot at her (so played the doctor).

[izakthegoomba]

Umm... I don't have a town read on him?

I really don't like havingfitz. Not in the same way as I think Sundy is scum, but more that many of the things he's said look like they could be from a scum mindset. It seems to me that he's saying a lot of things that I might say, if I were scum. It might mean nothing, but I've got a bad feeling about him.

[ToastyToast]

Umm... I don't have a town read on him?

I really don't like havingfitz. Not in the same way as I think Sundy is scum, but more that many of the things he's said look like they could be from a scum mindset. It seems to me that he's saying a lot of things that I might say, if I were scum. It might mean nothing, but I've got a bad feeling about him.

Why, then, am I the more likely scum when compared to havingfitz?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Trying to process the new information...

I hope you town, Midnight's Sorrow, I really do. But if Toast flips as town I will go after you.

The hell does this mean, exactly?

If TT flips Town, that makes me Scum, so you'll be on my ass? By what kind PoE are we looking at here?


@Fitz

You seem set on this.

But to answer you question, I just haven't liked his attitude towards lynches the whole game. The whole game its just screamed to me,'SCUM!"

And I find your reasoning behind him being town in your eyes, dull.

I am inclined to think }|{opa is town as well based on being an early proponent of Sundy's lynch.

This is seriously your only reason for thinking him Town?

Yeah, because bussing isn't an option, am I right?

[havingfitz]

So I give a reason for thinking }|{opa is likely to be town and that is dull.
You don't like someone's attitude and so they must be scum. I assume your attitude based suspicion is less dull than mine because your's leaves so much to our imagination?

It's the only tangible reason att.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

So your totally going to bypass the whole 'bussing' thing aren't you?

Good to know.

[havingfitz]

TT - izak read is based on vote count analysis.

How do these comments, "Scum generally bus their buddies at least once, which means I am one to believe that scum in goomba/myself/fitz. I also feel like scum would have been on the sundy wagon if they felt their was enough suspicion away from them." lead you to include me in your scum pool?

Can you elaborate on this comment, "havingfitz trying to turn town on farside has an odd motivation behind it. With the no kill, its possible scum thought they had found serial killer, or wanted a chance to shoot at her (so played the doctor)."

Who is your top suspect?

[havingfitz]

So your totally going to bypass the whole 'bussing' thing aren't you?

Good to know.

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. Are you saying that was a serious question?
If you want me to answer pointless questions let me know.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

You didn't think it was?

And you know what?

My momma always told me there's no such thing as a pointless question!

So you lie!

In all serious though- why so non-tangible?

[Jora]

If TT flips Town, that makes me Scum, so you'll be on my ass? By what kind PoE are we looking at here?

Anyways.

From my point of view I think the scums are in Jora and TT.

In other words, in the ideal world you will lynch me and then, in LyLo, you will lynch TT.
So what is your reason of finding izak or fitz to be not worthing of lynch. Isn't it an equivalent to town read in this situation?

I think that havingfitz is less plausible as a Sundy's partner, because of their wierd interactions.
If they were partners, what was the point in this: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2962406
or that vote: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3002413

I don't believe that it all was set up.

I think that DRK is not a scum, based on this:
DPK
DPK/DRK?
Sundy was playing from mobile, so first time he could not spell it correct. I guess that was not faked.
Also, I had a theory that DRK is his partner and posted in QT from the nick "DPK".
But little meta-research had proved inconsistence of this theory: DRK used "DRK" as a QT nickname in past games.
DRK: Are you in fact a girl?? I thought I was corrected when I called you she…
vote DRK
That vote sticks well. He almost get DRK lynched on D2, whithout good reason.
Finally, izak voted Sundy and came on this page:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=800

-vote
-selfvote
-WTF? I, No... *crying*
-murderer
-Oh crap, I spelt "oh" as "I".
-MURDERER
-cheap laugh, heh, heh.

God dammit!
If Izak and Sundy is a scum team they deserved not only the victory but Oscar Award!

[izakthegoomba]

Is that a complement?

[Jora]

sort of... it depends

[Midnight's Sorrow]

...

... wut?

Jora- I don't think we are on the same page here.

You, not me, are the one saying that if TT is lynched and flips Town, that that automatically makes me scum. With no room for any other possibility.

I don't assume that if you are lynched and flip Town, that that will automatically make TT as scum a solid deal, with no seeming room for any other possibility.

Not only do I find that kind of thinking genocidal to our Town wincon, I also wonder what can possess you to think that anyways.

Besides- this whole Sundy thing you, and what seems like fitz as well, have going for making people look more Townish, is weak.

I don't know if you realize this, but Sundy has been a scum suspect for the majority of the game( After all you were here longer then me, so yeah). That someone propelled a case against him, and actually got him lynched 3 days later, doesn't really impress me all that much in the Townie scale.

[Jora]

You, not me, are the one saying that if TT is lynched and flips Town, that that automatically makes me scum. With no room for any other possibility.

Maybe something will change things, but I've re-read the thread many times and found top two to be of you and TT. Maybe I should have such a room, but I have no time to find out. There is only two lynches left.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 4.02

Midnight's Sorrow - 1 - havingfitz
ToastyToast - 1 - }|{opa
}|{opa - 1 - Midnight's Sorrow

Not Voting: izakthegoomba, ToastyToast

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: June 18.

V/LA: ...

[havingfitz]

Toast has been avoiding this thread. No post since Monday in here. Posting elsewhere onsite Wednesday and Tuesday.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toast

[ToastyToast]

Toast has been avoiding this thread. No post since Monday in here. Posting elsewhere onsite Wednesday and Tuesday.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toast

Look at the activity on this thread. I've checked it multiple times a day, to see speculation rather than actual hunting.

[izakthegoomba]

HAS HE?

HE HAS!

I'm willing to finish this. It's dragging out and we're not really getting anywhere.

*Raises hammer*

Any last words, toast? Anyone else got some ray of sunshine hidden away?

[ToastyToast]

I have nothing to defend against, there is no case against me. All that has been said is that my voting patterns suggest a Sundy mafia team, which, quite frankly, is not nearly enough proof of it. Other last thoughts: don't go with any of the, "lets lynch this person tomorrow if toasty doesn't flip scum" crap. Its dumb and will cost the game, make a case like whats been done every day.

If I'm lynched I don't think its for play, but for no one having any better ideas. Town better win regardless.

Also, havingfitz is my #1 scumread atm, for my earlier observations and his last post. If you ISO me, you would see that I have been less active in this game THROUGHOUT, because I haven't been able to find clear-cut reads. also, we have a lot of lurking across the board. In my opinion, the posts made this day have all been "WELL I GOTTA SAY SOMETHING" posts.

Vote:Havingfitz

[izakthegoomba]

No-one's posted for 14 hours? God.

Toast, the fact that you can get reads hardly helps your case. But you're right, the overall activity is pretty awful.

I'm gonna hammer just to keep the game going at this rate.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

^Never a good reason to hammer in a situation like this. I don't suggest doing it.

Also- fitz; why you ignore me?

[Midnight's Sorrow]