ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[hasdgfas]

Vote: LynchMePls

Because his name just asks for it. >_>

This is :goodposting:

VOTE: LynchMePls

[hasdgfas]

UNVOTE: LMP
VOTE: Lost Butterfly

I like this better.


Empking, you seem to be playing this game in "theory-land" as opposed to thinking about actual "playing-mafia-land". Why?

[hasdgfas]

Empking, you seem to be playing this game in "theory-land" as opposed to thinking about actual "playing-mafia-land". Why?

One of the original scum tells, I used was based in theory-land and I've just been defending that scumtell. A sort of Fonzian scumhunting strategy is something that I want to use in this game in general, though.

Do you think that actually works in practice?

[hasdgfas]

I like this better.

… Spreads arms wide ….

Translation – elaborate on why you like Lost Butterfly better.

I know what my own action from ASoS meant

here you go:

FOS: LMP

What credibility did the wagon have?

Guess.

#1: Deliberate lack of information here. The burden of proof was on LB to back up his statement that the wagon had credibility. Instead, he tries to have LMP tell him the reasons for his wagon. This is like saying "LMP, why are you scummy?" I think it's more likely that scum would try to entrap someone like that.

I think your last point assumes optimal town play Empking, in that town can do scummy things, however I agree with your conclusion so I don't really care too much.

#2: What is this post? Seriously, what is it saying? "I disagree with you, but I agree with you"

#3: his ISO posts 11-13 are cute little accusatory one-liners without backup. Again, burden of proof.

[hasdgfas]

Hasdgfas: What do you think of SaintKerrigan?

I don't understand all the heat on him(?).

I only see this:

Unvote: Lost Butterfly
Vote: MagnaofIllusion

Also, yay I haz votes!

as scummy from SK, but I don't see it as enough for votes, as I found you jumping on her more questionable than anything she did.

[hasdgfas]

How about we get a Lost Butterfly vote for claiming the first voter on an RVS wagon that ballooned up unvoting the next time they post in thread is a scumtell because they weren't willing to stick by the wagon, and also for sheeping ruddy Empking reasoning. Seriously.

'scumtell' no, scum motivation? fucking definitely. thank you, come again. they're like pretty obvscum by this stage anyway so I don't even know what you're talking about. too much skimming leads to bad reads i guess.

"they"? Are you referring to SaintKerrigan?

[hasdgfas]

LB's looking pretty good now after the lower half of page 6.

Do you mind pointing this out to a blind cow who has no idea what you're seeing?

[hasdgfas]

The last page or two reinforces why I'm happy with an LB vote. Absolutely ludicrous behavior(from both involved, but instigated by LB)

[hasdgfas]

The last page or two reinforces why I'm happy with an LB vote. Absolutely ludicrous behavior(from both involved, but instigated by LB)

yeah i instigated it by telling him to die in a fire and fuck off. get out. seriously. you really SHOULD NOT be happy with your original vote anyway since your case is completely off the wall wrong.

Something really feels off about you in this game. I'd love to hear from Mina, maybe she'll make me feel better about you, but right now it just feels like you're ding-dong ditching people.

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas: what does 'off' mean and off compared to where?? what games of mine are you referring to. we've never played together and you've modded me in one game. what games of mine have you read? you can feel free to keep waiting for mina, i'm sure she'll be much more pleasant but for the moment i'm posting and your case on me amounts to using rhetoric (which makes me think you don't have meta on me), me being difficult (once again, makes me think that your calling me 'off' is wrong) and...I don't remember the other point? sheeping? w/e.

hey hasdgfas and saintkerrigan, what do you think of LMP's 199 and then his #212 how well do they work together for you?

"off" means "this doesn't feel town, but I can't place my finger on what exactly I dislike about this".
And you're right, I don't have meta on you, but you're being overly difficult, which is not a town attitude, regardless of whether that's how you always play.
You also seem to be taking little snipes at people. It's like you're trying to be annoying.
I have to take another look at the game tonight, I've been distracted with job interviews the past two days, and maybe I'll see something different looking through the game again.


Are you sure it's 199 and 212?

[hasdgfas]

THIS IS A FUCKING LIE! I FOLLOWED UP AND YOU STILL REFUSED TO ANSWER.

[..]
DIAF LYING SCUM.

Ok Faraday. I can't wait for endgame to rub your face in this.

these two.

----

Don't see an issue here. Seems like exactly what I'd expect. Angry person going "well I'll show

you

" and saying that he can taunt you in endgame. I've seen it before.

who would you say I'm 'sniping' at? as for 'not a protown attitude' well I'll just have to disagree. do you feel scum are more likely to be difficult or refuse to answer questions? I guess your analysis just seems a little lazy to me, like you're basically looking at my play on the surface and going 'I don't like that' and voting for me because you disagree with the manner i'm playing more than anything else.

That's what I'm afraid of, which is why I'm planning to reread tonight

[hasdgfas]

Don't see an issue here. Seems like exactly what I'd expect. Angry person going "well I'll show

you

" and saying that he can taunt you in endgame. I've seen it before.

'haha you were scum and you incorrectly guessed my alignment' is that what he plans on saying? you see how that makes zero sense? i wanted to discuss it with Mina more before doing anything, really, as I'm kinda omgus-y so i want to make sure I'm seeing things clearly.

I see how it makes no sense, but I also completely understand town doing it. It turns into wanting to be "right" more than caring about alignment, which is silly, but all too common.

[hasdgfas]

*points at LB*
*Points at cow*
*Brings hands together*
*Does the hokie-pokie*

*spreads arms wide*

[hasdgfas]

unvote: LB

upon re-read, not as bad as I thought, but still sketchy.

VOTE: MoI
He doesn't feel genuine in many of his posts. It feels like "you caught me, but I hate that you caught me for

this

"

I'm also a little worried about Thor, but that can wait until Day 2, as I have to see some of his D2 behavior before knowing what I think of him.

[hasdgfas]

hascow, I can't believe you're scum

again

.

good, because I'm not.

[hasdgfas]

First off, I was asked to vote either MoI or your hydra. I considered MoI scummier. My vote would've gone to SK otherwise, but I thought the idea of the game was to lynch scum?

what is this?

unvote
vote: Nexus

[hasdgfas]

unvote
vote MoI

I still don't like that from Nexus, but after thinking about it, MoI is more of a priority

[hasdgfas]

Cow: What do you think of hypocrisy. Scumtell y/n?

It really depends on the situation. Sometimes yes, other times no.

[hasdgfas]

Unvote: Nexus
Vote: AlmasterGM

you're doing your best to make me question my read on you.

[hasdgfas]

Also cow went from being convinced I was scum to being swayed by the MoI wagon. A little suspicious.

Misrepresentation AHOY! This is among the most inaccurate statements ever. I was not convinced you were scum, I wanted an explanation of what I had quoted(and still do, for that matter). I was on MoI right before I moved to you, so I was "swayed" by moving back to my previous vote? That's not how it works.

[hasdgfas]

vote: Empking

after re-reading him, it seems that he's putting trying to sound impressive(read:town) without actually saying anything.

[hasdgfas]

NUMBER 1 townie, he's on another level at this stage.

I sure don't see it.

[hasdgfas]

Because they are both obv town.

Neither of them are remotely scummy. The people you are going after are low posters. You seem to be actively seeking the easiest wagon to get on without looking bad yet also staying out of the limelight. Most of your votes in the second half of day 1 fit the MO of a scum trying to hide in plain sight and not caring what wagon you're on.

I

don't

care what wagon I'm on, if I believe the person I'm voting for is scum.


@Bilbo: I'm having a bit of trouble following much of what you're saying. It seems a bit...flowery. Could you do some sort of summary? Preferably without the quote striping?

In any case, Espeonage is town.

I had thought that SK was town, but his recent behavior is making me rethink that. Firstly, instead of explaining the reasoning behind doing things others think are scummy, he's going "well why can't town do that?" It seems a bit arrogant and cheeky, and unnecessarily antagonistic, when he could just as easily EXPLAIN WHY HE DID SOMETHING.

I had my suspicions of MoI, but that wagon on him was one of the worst I've ever seen in my life.

Could you point out where you said that during the wagon? I'm having a bit of trouble finding it in your ISO.

[hasdgfas]

So where do you think my vote should be to be helpful? Vezo?

Locke Lamora.

Yes, I understand you weren't asking me. Don't care.

refresh my memory. What's the reasoning?

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DGB I don't want to go into detail NOW but I'm PRETTY SURE that that was a screwed up fakeclaim.

Which would push Espeonage up the charts some in OMG PANICK if I'm right.

I'll go into detail if I have to but

I see something off about it too. Not sure if it's what you see, but I see something.

[hasdgfas]

Um, hello?

What exactly am I supposed to say in response to people just voting for me but not explaining why? Unless I missed some explanation in Hind's post.

[hasdgfas]

Right, I forgot sheeping DGB was so D1. She's right on track here, though.

306
"MoI is scum because he doesn't feel genuine"
That tells me a lot. How about you guys?

so?

373,<"Nexus is town" proclaimed by 3-4 people>,381
"Nexus is scum." <Nexus-town> "MoI is more of a priority. Back to the wagon"
Because MoI isn't genuine and is now a priority, even though Nexus is scum.

I enjoy you putting words in my mouth.

I NEVER said Nexus was scum. That vote was because I wanted him to explain that ridiculous post. Then I realized that could wait until later. and it reminds me that I STILL WANT AN ANSWER, NEXUS.

MMM, what's that smell? 500 says everything I wanted to know and more. Cow leaves Nexus, Thor, and LB to go for Empking because Empking is trying to sound impressive.

Beg pardon? I'm "leaving" people? At the start of the day?

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Why not just ask Nexus? He had 3 other votes on him. A fourth wouldn't have made much of a difference.

WOW! it's like I realized that and CHANGED MY VOTE BACK.

Beg pardon? I'm "leaving" people? At the start of the day?

Yes. You had

three

two scumreads. LB, Thor,

Nexus

.

That's news to me. LB? maybe. Thor? really?

That hammer was immensely scummy, especially considering I had just asked for a little time. I'll be shocked if SK flips scum.

On the minuite chance that SK is town then scum caught right here.

Empking, could you explain this please?

[hasdgfas]

Setael, seriously. When you going to start reading the game and commenting on what is important instead of pointing fingers ignoring most of the game and omgusing? You are still my top pick for CR. However you are scummy independently of that.

Vote: Setael

I'm not sure I understand this post. Is she scummy independent of being your top pick for CR? Or independent of all these other things you said?

[hasdgfas]

ugh, I'm hitting my "let's get lazy" part of the game. I really need to make myself not do this.
Could someone quickly point me to the reasons for magua/benmage so I have something in mind when I re-read?

[hasdgfas]

First one: Scummy independent.

Both parts included "scummy independent", so try again.

[hasdgfas]

Cow

you need to vote Magua in your next post. Either out of self preservation... or that there is no legitimate alternative wagon, save your own.

If you don't, I'll swing the wagon to you.

Why is magua scummy, exactly? I must've missed this.

[hasdgfas]

Embodiment of the Father, Cult Cop.

[hasdgfas]

Also, so I don't just leave it at that.

I investigated Thor Night 1 because his "let's save MoI for not today" screamed of Cult leader to me, but he wasn't cult.

I investigated Lock Night 2 because he's playing super passive, which also screamed of cult leader. He was also not cult.

[hasdgfas]

Mmmmmmmm

I just iso'd hascow.

There is a lack of role breadcrumb, resul breadcrumb, and suspicion breadcrumb.

Hascow left no hint that Thor and Lock were investigated and cleared.

And no hint that they were his suspects to begin with.

Am I wrong, cow? Prove me otherwise.

I'm also a little worried about Thor, but that can wait until Day 2, as I have to see some of his D2 behavior before knowing what I think of him.

And then I didn't mention anything about looking at Thor Day 2. As far as Locke goes? I really didn't know who I was going to investigate until I sent in my choice.

I didn't role breadcrumb, because those are easily faked.

As far as result breadcrumbs? Why in the world should I breadcrumb "not cult"? All that means is they're not cult that night, it means literally nothing as they could be culted the next night or be mafia.

[hasdgfas]

Has: Why didn't you investigate Magua?

Because I didn't buy the non-reasoning of everyone else saying he was obv-cult leader

[hasdgfas]

Unvote, Vote: Cow

Looking at iso no way would a cult cop be tepid about SK getting run up as cult. Either after the vig claim you turn it around or you show some bite.

I have no idea what you're saying here.

[hasdgfas]

also, if someone's going to hammer, say that before doing it. I want to post final thoughts.

[hasdgfas]

As far as result breadcrumbs? Why in the world should I breadcrumb "not cult"? All that means is they're not cult that night, it means literally nothing as they could be culted the next night or be mafia.

You could have said

something

. Like "I feel a little better about Thor" or "Thor is probably not cult" or "Thor's latest contribution doesn't look culty." Then when you die and flip cop, we put two and two together. We'd know you're not a mafia cop. We'd know that today's non-cult is tomorrow's recruit.

yeah, but I didn't. Sorry. I don't feel breadcrumbing cult cop "not cult" results is useful at all.

[hasdgfas]

yeah, but I didn't. Sorry. I don't feel breadcrumbing cult cop "not cult" results is useful at all.

Minimally, it would support your own claim. You were under fire from early on, you must have anticipated being run up to a claim, why not brace for it with breadcrumbs?

I hope you understand why your claim is screaming fakeclaim; your choices and results are completely un-supported.

Yep, I've played terribly this game, not going to lie. But choosing Thor is not unsupported at all, so saying my choices are unsupported is wrong.

But honestly, I don't see it screaming fakeclaim. I see two separate things claimed here. Rolename and role. They fit perfectly together flavorwise, as mentioned by multiple people who aren't me, so I think it'd be pretty impressive if I could pull that out just like that, especially right after being asked. Cult cop is pretty much the perfect role to counter if I'm fakeclaiming anyway. The mafia are probably not going to kill it. They want the cult dead too. So fine, lynch me. But only if someone counterclaims either part of my role. If they do, I won't fight.

[hasdgfas]

That sounds like somebody smugly knowing they have a mod-provided safeclaim.

BS, Empking.

[hasdgfas]

choosing Thor is not unsupported at all, so saying my choices are unsupported is wrong.

Why was I a good cult investigate?

Not the same thing. DGB claimed, from the way I'm reading it, that my choices aren't backed up by my actions at all. With Locke? She's correct. With you? There's no way you can claim that.

[hasdgfas]

It would make sense for the cult to push a cult cop's mislynch, no?

That's what would make it a powerful fakeclaim. Who could push for a hascow lynch without looking culted? I am taking this risk, personally, because the claim is full of holes and I don't believe it. I wish I could believe it.

Actually, hascow's "last words" may have been that recent post where, instead of telling us who he thinks is scum, he's telling us that his rolename won't be counterclaimed. The odor of safeclaim is overwhelming, especially without the usual "

A is scum, G is scum, kill H when I flip town...

"

nobody's said they'll hammer. what's the point of last words?

[hasdgfas]

DGB feels like cult who really wants the cult cop dead.

Magua's town.

Benmage is scum.

[hasdgfas]

You've been flavr-counterclaimed.

vote: DGB

[hasdgfas]

enjoy the cult growing out of control guys, I'm going to go rage at myself for sucking

[hasdgfas]

enjoy the cult growing out of control guys,

I'm going to go rage at myself for sucking

Atleast you acknowledge why you're dying.

Why shouldn't I? It's the truth.

[hasdgfas]

I like how hascow hasn't even complained about Benmage's CC being a lie.

wait, where was this?

[hasdgfas]

He counterclaimed you last page. That's why you got L-1'd then hammered.

oh I see, it ninja'd one of my posts.

So yeah, that's a complete lie.

[hasdgfas]

oh I see, it ninja'd one of my posts.

And you didn't get a ninja alert?

nope. I've found it doesn't always work.

unvote, vote: benmage

[hasdgfas]

Oh. Jesus. Twice now I've fallen for that shit. When am I going to learn.

?

[hasdgfas]

Why would Cow call me scum, and not cult?

Because I didn't see you "counterclaim" me. If I had, you can bet it all I would have had you as cult.

[hasdgfas]

hascow is still scum... he might even be CR... he has yet to make a post that isn't a complete derp-lie.

Instead of faking a post restriction,

he's faking dumb.

[hasdgfas]

Why would Cow call me scum, and not cult?

Because I didn't see you "counterclaim" me. If I had, you can bet it all I would have had you as cult.

How could you not see that, you filthy lying cult recruiter, I even made a post referring to it in between.

was that where you said "you've been flavr-counterclaimed"?

Because if so, I thought you were counterclaiming.

[hasdgfas]

Why would Cow call me scum, and not cult?

Because I didn't see you "counterclaim" me. If I had, you can bet it all I would have had you as cult.

How could you not see that, you filthy lying cult recruiter, I even made a post referring to it in between.

was that where you said "you've been flavr-counterclaimed"?

Because if so, I thought you were counterclaiming.

Then why didnt u call DGB cult?

um, I did

was that where you said "you've been flavr-counterclaimed"?

Because if so, I thought you were counterclaiming.

Why would you, a really smart guy, fail so hard at reading comp?

"you've been flavr-counterclaimed" =/= "I flavr-counterclaim you"

I've seen that phrasing before in a counterclaim. And as I said, I didn't see Benmage's, so there was no other option.

[hasdgfas]

Then why didnt u call DGB cult?

He did, he said I'm cult wanting the cult cop dead.

I have a sneaking suspicion that he's the CR.

well, lynch Benmage tomorrow when I flip Embodiment of the Father.

[hasdgfas]

well, lynch Benmage tomorrow when I flip Embodiment of the Father.

Benmage

said

he was gambiting.

How do I keep missing these things? Where?

[hasdgfas]

Meh.. cow says DGB

feeeeeels

cult...feels is so meager. He shoulda been raging there.

I don't really rage during games.

[hasdgfas]

Meh.. cow says DGB

feeeeeels

cult...feels is so meager. He shoulda been raging there.

I don't really rage during games.

Agreed. But the word feels shows doubt. You shoulda been doubtless.

With DGB doubtless is impossible.

[hasdgfas]

Holy shit. I just read the first post.

13. Bilbo Baggins (Andrius\Plum hydra), Townsperson (Embodiment of the Mother) - Jailkeeper, killed N2

Unvote; Vote: Lost Butterfly

Duh?

[hasdgfas]

uh what? I answered your question already.

derp

Sorry. Didn't see it. (Disagree but that's theory.)

I think genuine anger of a lynch of

someone else

is a strong town tell. genuine anger at your own lynch is pretty much inevitable

[hasdgfas]

@Cow: do you think Magua's anger at your wagon/lynch was genuine?

absolutely. That's why I called him town in my "last words"

[hasdgfas]

Still no scum-hunting from hascow in this long twilight.

Ok DGB, I'm tired of this. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO AT THIS POINT? I really don't know how anything I can do now will please you.

[hasdgfas]

It's not about pleasing me... it's just that if I were dead, I'd do some detective work to help my side win... if I were town.

I posted my 3 most confident reads. I didn't really expect the thread to still be open 3 hours after my last post.

Anyway:

town reads: magua, LB
magua for genuine anger at my lynch
LB for the governor gambit

scum reads: DGB, Benmage
for their ridiculous attitude getting me lynched. Also, Benmage's counterclaim which is a lie

Apart from those 4 that I'm pretty confident in, I'd lean towards Thor as town because he just seems frustrated.
I'd also look at Nexus as scum because I looked at the list of people in the game and forgot he was in it.

[hasdgfas]

What is the scum motivation to CC a cult cop?

being cult yourself and wanting one of your biggest threats off the table

[hasdgfas]

That was a fascinating read.

It's odd to say - the fake counterclaim is the first thing Benmage has done that felt like Benmage town to me because he actually felt like he was working and being full of himself because he was sure he was right - *waaay* different from how he reacted to Magua lynch, I need to assess the two and see how I feel, at least night will give me time to actually look over those scum games.
LB looks more town to me now.
The other "town revelation" people that are being whipped out I already thought were town, so, whatevs, I'm brilliant.
I'll agree with Magua about Hindu - there was certainly some cult action there at the end of the hascow wagon and he feels the most questionable.
Emp looks scummier for getting through all that and not offering thought #1 on it, I went through an emotional rollercoaster and all he could do was fumble around and attack a town read? Bleh.

@Has - I'm not frustrated, I'm creatively colorful in my writing.

^town

[hasdgfas]

vote: Empking

after re-reading him, it seems that he's putting trying to sound impressive(read:town) without actually saying anything.

So remember when I said this and everyone jumped on me because Empking was obvtown? Yeah.

Not that I played well, but it appears my gut is getting a bit better, since it was screaming to me about Thor and Empking this game.

[hasdgfas]

<3 Thor, the man to whom I owe my first IC win.
But yeah.
I'm not actually that bitter anymore, but at the time was just FFF.

The single most bitter I've ever been was HasCow. I sat there and raged for two hours in the dead thread, and to Toast, skipping classes to just rage to the old gods.
Then after that was Succession I.

HasCow, I still owe you a bullet 'tween the eyes.

*spreads arms wide*
*hug*