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[DemonHybrid]

Vote: DemonHybrid

for being the only person I know in this game.

Vote: Ace5993

for not updating me on how ScoreHero Mafia has been lately.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: DemonHybrid

for ditching games.

=( It's hard to keep up when I replace in. Fresh starts are nice.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: hiplop

. archaebob is not new and he's certainly not taking anything TOO seriously. The point of RVS is to leave RVS, and so far, you have the sketchiest vote of everyone.

[DemonHybrid]

FoS: Everyone who is against bob for not realizing how town the guy is

[DemonHybrid]

unvote vote jilynne1991

Nintendo/hiplop, do you really think this post has scum motivation? If so, why?

Also, there's valid suspicion against jilynne1991. Nintendo's FoS may have just been a townie mistake; hiplop is definitely scum, but jilynne1991 is worth looking into.

[DemonHybrid]

Pressure vote is pressurized.

[DemonHybrid]

Pressure vote is pressurized.

Well not now, cause you just outed his pressure vote...

Doesn't change his motivation. Plus, it was a very obvious pressure vote.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow. Smh.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: jilynne1991

. My vote seems to be decaying on hiplop and jilynne is still very likely scum. Heliman and Barry Allen have it right on.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow. Smh.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: jilynne1991

. My vote seems to be decaying on hiplop and jilynne is still very likely scum. Heliman and Barry Allen have it right on.

Very likely scum might be overstating it a bit. I have nothing wrong with pressure votes as they can be a good thing, but meh nothing jilynne has done sets off my scumdar. We reall still are in RVS...
Also, I'm slightly disappointed that you talked a big talk and didn't even grudge vote me

You should answer bob's question.

[DemonHybrid]

unvote, vote demonhybrid[/vote]

calling someone definite scum o n the second page, over a RV. Plus blindly following bobby

Yes, you stay in your little dream world where you can sit back and not make any accusations. I'll be here scumhunting.

[DemonHybrid]

unvote vote jilynne1991

Nintendo/hiplop, do you really think this post has scum motivation? If so, why?

Also, there's valid suspicion against jilynne1991. Nintendo's FoS may have just been a townie mistake; hiplop is definitely scum, but jilynne1991 is worth looking into.

hiplop, you avoided this. Good show, old chap.

[DemonHybrid]

Precisely, you haven't done anything at all

Really precisely my point too.

[DemonHybrid]

And hiplop? Sweeheart?

Answer my question. You went 3 posts without doing so.

[DemonHybrid]

hiplop: I trust bob at the moment because, unlike you, he's been scumhunting and pressuring his ass off. You've sit there and done absolutely nothing but talk about how people are "being too serious".

How about you start being a little bit serious, hiplop?

[DemonHybrid]

unvote

vote archaebob

for taking everything too seriously

This was a joke vote?

[DemonHybrid]

DemonHybrid, just to confirm, but you're male right?

(Since you're avatar and gender seem to disagree.)

Yes, I'm male.

Who are your suspicions? You've had enough time. I want them next post.

[DemonHybrid]

unvote

vote archaebob

for taking everything too seriously

This was a joke vote?

yea

Okay, so again, the fact that you're taking nothing seriously shows a lack of scumhunting if that is true (as well as the fact that you completely went pages misleading people without saying anything). If it's not true, there's that whole lying thing, as well as the fact that you, again, take nothing seriously, and therefore aren't scumhunting.

Yes, this is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, but you deserve it.

[DemonHybrid]

LOL, yes, that was pretty much what I was going to say.

I can see you reason, but you can't FoS or Vote someone with no case.

Sure he can.

Again, he's pressuring someone. It's me, but it's still good townie behavior.

To explain, bob, hiplop should have either worded his vote better or at least said SOMETHING to the effect of "this isn't a serious vote" after people started commenting on it, instead of avoiding the situation. Or, you know, not posted it at all. Especially since he ALREADY RVS-FoSed someone else.

[DemonHybrid]

demon, settle the fuck down. Day only just started. No one took that vote seriously but you. Yeah, im suspicious of you, for fairly obvious reasons, too. Those being, you're going way too frontal, too soon. That tends to be a scum-tell. You're like falling beneath bobs feet, and trying to like get in his pants or something. You're sheeping him to no end. even he is realizing your charade. Im not going to necessarilly say that you're scum, but you're my top read atm

1. And like I said, you can't tell scumhunting from "going way too frontal". I take stuff like "I'm voting you for being too serious" as a serious statement.

Lets look at the context:

-You first FoS someone for "possessing an idiot ball". Obviously an RVS post.
-Bob posts some things
-You vote him, and say that he's being too serious.

Now, what does that look like to anyone but you?

2. I'm trusting bob's reads and actions because he has ABSOLUTELY NO SCUM MOTIVATION to do anything that he's done so far. Every FoS without a reason, vote without a reason, page 1 seriousness, etc. has absolutely no scum motivation and he's obviously putting pressure on people instead of sitting there with his thumb up his ass.

Btw, you do realize RVS ends at different times, for different people, right? you seem to be very, very confused, or have very low reading comprehension skills. It was clearly a non-serious vote. Being too serious isnt a legit reason.

Of course I do. And I'm not confused. You responded to this:

Vote: DemonHybrid

for ditching games.

=( It's hard to keep up when I replace in. Fresh starts are nice.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: hiplop

. archaebob is not new and he's certainly not taking anything TOO seriously. The point of RVS is to leave RVS, and so far, you have the sketchiest vote of everyone.

with this:

unvote, vote demonhybrid[/vote]

calling someone definite scum o n the second page, over a RV. Plus blindly following bobby

Especially when people have called others scum. You see why I wouldn't believe that, right?

@ Demon Hybrid -

I don't pressure fos.

And why are you giving me explanations before you even know what the shot is?

I don't see you FoSing my #106, and I've noted the flaw in #108. hiplop dug himself a hole to me; not only did he RVS "twice", his 2nd time was very close to a real vote. On a site where people can suspect ANYONE for ANYTHING, I don't see how anyone can call a vote like that "obviously RVS".

Anyway, my vote isn't coming off of jilynne, especially after I told him/her to post his/her reads and he/she just blatantly ignored it.

[DemonHybrid]

*her, her, she. She's female, apparently.

[DemonHybrid]

The RVS can last as long as i want it to last, for me. I could vote 300 times in the RVS stage, its still the RVS. I said

definite

scum, not a suspicion.Theres a difference (: .

You're trying to play too hard, too early and its not working.

Well, what you call "playing too hard" is what I call "I want to find out who scum is so I can lynch them, and I'll be as aggressive as I want to get that information".

Also, thanks for clarifying the emphasis on definite. I retract what I said.

[DemonHybrid]

archaebob: #120.

[DemonHybrid]

@ Demon Hybrid -

My bad.

Your hiplop case is bullshit and you know it.

And that's not even why I fosed you.

What do you think of Pine's play so far?

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@ Barry Allen - What do you think of Demon Hybrid's play?

@ Hiplop - What do you think of Barry Allen's play?

@ Jil - What do you think of hiplop's play? (Make sure you answer my other question as well)

Never mind what I said about you being obvious town. I don't see the point of these chained questions. You're still a town read, but I'm going to be looking at you. And I honestly can't see what else you could FoS me for. Asking Jilynne to give reads? Something you've been asking everyone else to do? o_o

Pine is typical Pine. He's playing slightly more carefully, so that's something to keep an eye on, but I don't think he's done anything crazy scummy yet.

[DemonHybrid]

He hasn't done anything that screams town. His playstyle seems to be sporadic suspicions that wax and wane. I haven't PLAYED a game with him as scum yet, though I know of one. 00's Band Mafia in Theme Park: He was a VT and had shaky reads. He was scum in Slaxx's Large Normal, but I didn't read that all the way through; if you'd like, I can do some research.

Pine's reads seem to be a bit hollow, but there's no real evidence of a lack of scumhunting. So, slightly scummy as far as his reads are concerned. Normal as far as his motivation is. He's not close to the top of my list though.

Keeping an eye on a person, to me, means that I won't trust their reads, but I will note them. I will also check his posts for inconsistency and a lack of town motivation.

[DemonHybrid]

Take care, man, and I'm sorry. Family > Mafia. I'm sure that MS will support you in this.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm not buying the bob wagon.

Jil was asked about 50 times for her reads and thoughts, and #187 is ALL she gives us?

No.

[DemonHybrid]

Seriously, she could be 13, 7, 41, 23, or 150 years old for all I care. Point is, she's not answering anything and she's certainly not scumhunting.

[DemonHybrid]

Reading over the last few pages.

Bob: If I wasn't voting Jil for extreme mega active lurking, I'd be voting Scumhunter for extreme mega....lurking. hiplop's content has gotten better twicefold over the last page, especially since he's explained his vote on you a bit better.

[DemonHybrid]

No, bob. There's a difference between ACTIVE lurking and lurking.

Jil has been showing this attitude ever since the game started. This is her history of posting.

Hi!

Vote: Barry Allen

for being the first person to post besides the mod.

RVS.

Fos: hiplop

for spelling Giitah's name wrong.

An RVS FoS.

Spadille! Hi! I'm playing with you again!!!

Active lurking post.

I don't see anything wrong with what archaebob is doing, but it might be a bit early to start nitpicking.

Most people start doing that, when everyone's commenting and we're *clearly* out of RVS.

If we're "clearly" out of RVS, then it makes no sense that she has an RVS post up and no suspicions.

I wouldn't say what archebob is doing anything bad, since it will certainly be helpful later.

Still no suspicions.

Vote: DemonHybrid

for ditching games.

More RVS.

DemonHybrid, just saying, but I caught up just fine. (Oh wait, nevermind, I have pretty much all the time in the world.)

Ok, well then

Unvote: DemonHybrid, Vote: Heliman

since I hate helicopters.

EVEN MORE RVS. This is two votes after she said that RVS is "clearly" over.

Oh ok, sorry, this is my first time participating in RVS, since I used to be under the impression that standing back and watching would be better.

I didn't really understand when RVS ended, yet.

Oh, and I slept, went to school, and then went to an amusement park, so yea, I was a bit late in replying.

unvote

So, I guess RVS isn't "clearly" over. Still no suspicions.

DemonHybrid, just to confirm, but you're male right?

(Since you're avatar and gender seem to disagree.)

Active lurking post.

LOL, yes, that was pretty much what I was going to say.

I can see you reason, but you can't FoS or Vote someone with no case.

Still no suspicions.

Btw, you do realize RVS ends at different times, for different people, right? you seem to be very, very confused, or have very low reading comprehension skills. It was clearly a non-serious vote. Being too serious isnt a legit reason.

I don't get the first sentence. How does RVS end at different times for different people?

Active lurking post. Still no suspicions. Seems like a real question, but with no scumhunting intent.

Oh, right, my FoS was a joke, ok, ummm, unFoS?

LOL

unFoS hiplop

Active lurking post. Still no suspicions.

Ok, sorry, somehow I've been missing alot of posts these days. Answering all soon!

Active lurking post.

Fos: hiplop

for spelling Giitah's name wrong.

Was this a serious fos?

Obviously, not.

Still no suspicions.

Okay, Jilynne, I'll accept your vote back there was a mistake. However, what do you think of the proceedings so far? Who warrants your vote?

Ok, this has been happening alot. Usually, no one warrants my vote until further into Day 1, usually takes till at least page 10.

Hmmm, I think what's happened so far has been nice, alot of people have been scumhunting, people are making sense, everything seems to be going well for town.

"Let me just sit on the sidelines and comment on how everyone is doing. I'll look really town!"

Plus, "taking until page 10" to put down a serious vote is absolute bullshit. I've never seen one serious townie wait until page 10 to have SOME sort of suspicion.

As of this point, 3 or so people have asked her for her reads.

Oh, crap, I'm so sorry, I don't know what's up with me, ok, so here it is:

After going through hiplop's ISO it looks like he wants to appear like he is scumhunting with the least possible content. He might just be lazy, but this could also be a scumtell.

More content please!

I don't like the way you're playing the game, because from what I said earlier you point fingers at everyone, so if you'er scum, we have no one to connect you to, and I'd really like to see some actual content.

Earlier, I believed you're town, but you're kind of null now. Sorry archebob.

Took her like 10 posts. But this line of reasoning is fake, almost automatic, like a robot pre-programmed to say that in response to "What are your reads?".

Oh, I only FoSed hiplop, because I was voting someone else lol.

Active lurking post.

LOL, because at the time it was RVS, and I didn't want to have to unvote.

MY GOD WHY WONT YOU PRESSURE SOMEONE AND ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS SCUM

Ok, excuse my tone, but I AM NOT A LITTLE GIRL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF THINKING CLEARLY, AND MY MIND WORKS JUST FINE.

I may not be very good at mafia because I'm new. NOT BECAUSE I'M 13.

More active lurking. Annoyed at being called a little girl. Doesn't mean anything. This was a fast reply, by the way. She is legitimate about being angry about this, but not about finding scum.

...Yes, I'm 13, thank you very much for all your concern over my age.

More of this.

Ok, I'll tell you who exactly tomorrow, when all my projects are done and I won't ever have homework again for 7th grade! YAYYYYY

MORE STALLING.

And then she goes V/LA.

So, it should be

plainfully fucking obvious

as to why I'm voting her. I don't like how you dug into the fact that "I posted no content" when you have this little fireball with absolutely no reads except a "hiplop is sort of scumhunting but eh. Oh, and bob is null."

I literally ISOed this person completely, and she has 0.1% of the content required at this stage of the game. It's ridiculously obvious.

[DemonHybrid]

I don't see anything wrong with what archaebob is doing, but it might be a bit early to start nitpicking.

Most people start doing that, when everyone's commenting and we're *clearly* out of RVS.

I misread this. She was talking about the future, when people ARE clearly out of RVS. She wasn't saying they were as of that post.

Ignore that point and all subsequent points off of that post. Doesn't negate any of the active lurking that she did.

Once she shows me that she can effectively scumhunt without a thin veil of light suspicion, then I'll move my vote. But I want this person ded.

[DemonHybrid]

Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Oh, crap, I'm so sorry, I don't know what's up with me, ok, so here it is:

After going through hiplop's ISO it looks like he wants to appear like he is scumhunting with the least possible content. He might just be lazy, but this could also be a scumtell.

More content please!

I don't like the way you're playing the game, because from what I said earlier you point fingers at everyone, so if you'er scum, we have no one to connect you to, and I'd really like to see some actual content.

Earlier, I believed you're town, but you're kind of null now. Sorry archebob.

Bob, what do you think of this post?

And in response to #283: You noticed that I put that post in my ISO and noted that she was active lurking before that post about 50 times, right?

[DemonHybrid]

I want Jil dead and I don't see anyone else as scummy. It has nothing to do with her being new. It has everything to do with her posting the above ^

without voting seriously, getting a list of reads, or actually doing some scumhunting without having to be asked 50 times.

It's astonishing how you call me someone with no content for focusing on one person and being quite shocked that no one's seeing the active lurkiness of her, and not even bother reading anything but the post in which she went V/LA. You know, her last post. AFTER all of the active lurking she did.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm sorry, everyone's talking about a "policy lynch" when I've never said those words. Nor is lynching for active lurking a "policy lynch". Can everyone tell me where they got that idea?

[DemonHybrid]

@Bob: Heliman seems to have a logical basis behind his attacks, with townie motivation. I'm not sure if he's right on you, but he's definitely not avoiding anything.

And I'm not going to switch my vote onto someone else and get them lynched before Jil gets back. Jil has already shown that she doesn't give a shit about finding scum and that's what I'm voting her for. Right now the biggest wagon is on Scumhunter, who just posted two walls of reads; so I think that you are getting Jil and Scumhunter's names switched.

@SH: hiplop isn't as scummy as he was before. He gained some townie points back after he explained everything, though it took him long enough.
Ace seems to back down at the smallest bouts of pressure. Someone to keep my eye on. Plus, he hopped on your wagon as soon as it showed up.
Barry Allen is more townish on the basis that he didn't automatically vote you at the first sign of a wagon. Not sure about his comments on hiplop's grammar and spelling, but IIRC, he did note it as a null tell. Kind of useless information to put on the table. They offset each other; I'm a null on Barry.

My reads at the moment, scum to town:

Jil
Octopus
Spadille (start posting some content.)
SH (you've gotten better though, both in town motivation and content, so this is likely to change)
ace5993

Giitah's a conditional. He deserves to be looked at if Jil flips town. He kind of hopped on everyone's reasoning very easily and copied them.

hiplop
Barry Allen
Pine
NA1
bob
Heliman

I can see Heliman and bob as town on town.

[DemonHybrid]

The only thing preventing me from voting Octopus is one thing:

Bob, what do you think the scum motivation is behind claiming to lurk?

[DemonHybrid]

Also, that wall was a whole lot of nothingness and obvious information.

Please look town if you are town and help hunt scum.

There. I kind of narrowed things down for you.

[DemonHybrid]

It doesn't confirm him, but to put a target on his head by saying "I'm lurking now" kind of shows a lack of care as scum, doesn't it?

[DemonHybrid]

The only thing preventing me from voting Octopus is one thing:

Bob, what do you think the scum motivation is behind claiming to lurk?

...

[DemonHybrid]

As in, the motivation for scum to say that is nearly non-existent. Only for WIFOM and stupid scum reasons.

[DemonHybrid]

You can see that I'm paranoid about lurkers.

Funny you should say this, especially when you target me for voting the more dangerous kind of lurker.

Anyway, yeah, let me hear your case. I'm not unvoting Jil. I think there's something that you guys are failing to see in her hard-fucking-core, like the fact that she only posted two really weak reads in 22 posts, as opposed to octopus who posted a few really weak reads in TWO posts.

Also, I'm realizing that you're either following every growing wagon nowadays, or throwing suspicion on people and then completely forgetting about them after the wagon dies. Are you going to completely forget about my "play" when the wagon dies?

[DemonHybrid]

Bob: Your serious voting history (not counting your Giitah vote)

Jil
Pine
FoS Heliman/Scumhunter vote in the same post
Two Scumhunter votes to hammer your point
Octopus
DemonHybrid

Your latest post shows no available read on Jil (which, in your last paragraph, you state that it's because you have zero read on the last 3 and would like the replacements to post)

A "Pine is VI, but no read" read on Pine

A "gut scum" read on SH

A scum read on Heliman

Again, "zero read" on Octopus

And a scum read on me.

You've had a subtle switch from Jil being an active lurker to Jil being an innocent townie who's just young and new. You've completely forgotten that she's posted absolutely no content when she said that she's perfectly willing and able. Can I count you in as a scumbuddy if Jil flips scum?

I just see a lot of inconsistencies with your play and as of this final read post, you've lost a lot of townie points with me. I see no scum motivation behind Octopus saying that he's lurking and I'm really kind of shocked that you'd 1. Target that, and then 2. Ignore him and have no read when he gets a replacement/the wagon dies.

Just too much waxing and waning. But again, I'm not taking my vote off of Jil.

[DemonHybrid]

I just came back from work. Doing some reading in about an hour after I wind down.

[DemonHybrid]

DH could you please explain how a serious vote implies that you think the person is scummy? Why have you switched your stance on bob's wagoning from "it's awesome scumhunting" to "if you dont think the person is scummy, you're scummy for wagoning them"?

His latest reads aren't consistent with what he's said and what he's been pushing for. He did a lot of voting, pushing and looking around, but seems very schizophrenic and tends to forget past reads very easily. He has too many null reads.

[DemonHybrid]

Giitah.

I'll ISO him and post tomorrow.

Also, you're terrible with names.

[DemonHybrid]

He still hasn't given reasoning, even with a vote on me.

I'm kind of loling at the people saying I did nothing, ignoring Jil's active lurking, and being hypocritical.

You'll get your Giitah ISO tomorrow, but it'll have to be late tomorrow night after work.

[DemonHybrid]

Alright we'll do this one ScumHunter bulletpoint style:

1. DemonHybrid was (and still is) pushing a policy lynch on Jil for not being particularly useful to town even at a time when 3 players in the game had not posted yet. Advocating a policy lynch (well before the deadline) on someone when you don't have reads on every player is scummy no matter what.

1.5. DemonHybrid is trying to say that the policy lynch on Jil isn't actually a policy lynch. 90% of his case on Jil is for active lurking/"still no suspicions", however it's impossible to active lurk when the wagon IS ON YOU and everyone is focused on you. Her posting style was right at the center of everyone's attention, which means that she's simply not very good at the game, not taking the time to play properly (10+ games, yeah right), or completely oblivious to everything posted in the thread. The rest of the points are either minor, based on differences in mafia theory, or based on blatant misreading of Jil's posts (tempted to quote here but I said bulletproof, it's the "still being in RVS" point at the beginning of post #280). I can further expand on why Jil is town later if anyone wants more on it.

2. DemonHybrid did not support or even appear to understand the reasoning behind the wagons on ScumHunter and Octopus, and even attacked bob for them. When questioned he replies with complete bullshit that doesn't really answer the questions.

3. DH's early game case on hiplop was scummy:

a. Contrary to his absolute refusal to leave the Jil wagon when there were clearly other wagons to be made, he abandoned the hiplop wagon rather fast because his "vote was getting stale".
b. After he changed his vote he made what looks like a deliberate show of gradually winding down the case on hiplop based on somewhat weak answers to apparent misunderstandings, finally ending with a weak "hiplop has improved his content in the last couple pages".

In hindsight bulletpoint posts suck and I will not be making any in the future, however I spent a while writing this so I'll post it anyway. It should give you an overview of why DH is scummy anyway. I don't think he's the best candidate (probably #2) for today's lynch at the moment but he's certainly scummy enough to deserve a wagon while Pine's V/LA.

The only odd thing I find is that he promised to give us an analysis of the Heliman vs. Archaebob argument, which never did pop up ever again if I'm not mistaken.

I didn't find anything particularly scummy on either side and I didn't really want to waste a post explaining why I thought an argument was town vs town.

You didn't post a read on Pine.

Overall I find Giitah's list of town reads disappointing but not scummy, each read seems well-thought out and with non-C/P'd reasoning. I agree with hiplop that we need a list in order of scummiest to towniest for all those reads to really be helpful.

I only have time to post that your points are absolutely flawed, because you can absolutely active lurk when there's pressure on you. Who told you you can't?

[DemonHybrid]

Please ISO me in this game. Because I active lurked like a beast, had a ton of people pressuring me (including Fate, of all people) and STILL kept on active lurking.

[DemonHybrid]

I had to double take at that statement. You should try reading sometime.

I'm proving that scum can active lurk while being pressured. It's what I think Jil is doing and it's why ace's case is bullshit.

hiplop, do you believe that I'm active lurking this game? Because I want to make sure that I'm hearing your bullshit correctly.

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, for the record, I'm 6th in post count this game and have given a read on everyone a few times already. Some people need to be ISO'd for a more thorough read, which I promised I would do later.

[DemonHybrid]

Here's my response:

I'm a town mason

, because I'm obviously going to need a lot of time to respond to this and I'm not going to get lynched between now and when I actually get the time to respond to it AND make a Giitah ISO (which has a very real chance of happening, gauging Pine's reaction).

No, I'm not telling you who my partner is.

[DemonHybrid]

Going to ignore my need to ISO Giitah to respond to this shit.

1) He acts as if Hiplop’s vote on me is serious, which it clearly isn’t.
2) He defends my play, which is clearly not necessary.

1. 2nd page of the game, with RVS votes flying around; he FoSes someone and THEN votes someone for "being too serious". Yes, at the time (and because he didn't respond at all), I thought it was a serious vote, and you're really taking a high and mighty after-the-fact attitude if you say that it "cleary" wasn't.

2. I defended your play because you were being attacked for what I thought was no reason; for scumhunting and pressuring people at the time, and having that downplayed.

Try and erase from your memory the majority of this game, and just look at the first few pages. It’s hard for me to picture why I, as Demon Hybrid, would feel the need to write this. Let’s assume for a moment that I, a town player, have seen players like archaebob before. In my experience, players that do what he is doing are usually town, and their play is very helpful. Therefore, I am annoyed at nintendoaddict for accusing him of being a sheep…and I’m going to make sure the rest of the town stops suspecting archaebob(because we CAN'T have that) by joke FoSing them.

I never said it was a joke FoS. I didn't like the fact that everyone was putting down the fact that you were trying to early game scumhunt. You know, something that wins games. So I was supporting you in an effort to try to solidify your reads and have some people take you seriously. Early game pressuring like that, in my experience, has been very indicative of town.

You assume that I KNOW what the roles are, when I just have very solid reads. You say that I'm a smart player, but treat me like a stupid one. You realize how very little scum motivation was behind an action like that? How scum usually like to take it easy early game in order not to create a base of suspicion on them?

This whole post bespeaks of someone whose mind is racing to uncover the reasons for everything archaebob does and appear perceptive and towny by sharing them with everyone.

No....it sounds like someone who is really trying to get a grasp on why people are seeing scum motivation behind switching onto an early game bandwagon.

I doubt he means the bit about hiplop seriously at this stage, but either way, it feels really weird. DH is in the process of defending me, and he seems to be pretty serious about it. So, saying that hiplop is “definitely scum” is a really weird assertion to insert into the middle of that sentence, isn’t it? Read the whole post again, in its entirety. In fact, it feels to me like he’s trying to explain ahead of time why he isn’t himself moving his vote over to jilynne.

And that was when I thought that hiplop's vote on you was serious. Something that he failed to disprove, or even attempt to, in which I thought he was avoiding. He took entirely too long in getting back to me with that and it seemed like a silent confession.

Meh, whatever the hell it is, it’s nervous and awkward, and doesn’t sit with me at all.
Think about it. You are DemonHybrid. Why are you choosing to defend archaebob, and come up with these super specific hypothetical explanations of his thought process? Aren’t you at all curious about what this guy is doing, and if his intentions are true? Why do you want to be his friend so badly?

I feel your early game actions are town-motivated, and therefore, I felt that you are town. Don't you think pooling together reads from two people who are town can do some damage against scum, especially in the early game, when that shit

counts

? Scum have yet to have a clear base of evidence in order to cloud their intentions, and you want to sit there and dick around accusing everyone in the game and not double-teaming with town reads in order to take that away from them, basically, is what you're saying. Whether or not you are scum would come later. Early game is far too valuable to do that sort of shit though. Read current meta. You'll find that a LOT of players do that, and a LOT of those players win games as town.

This whole response is trying too hard.

Or, it's a response saying "So, you don't want me to pressure people? Um, alright, that's kind of scummy and weird."

I was actually kind of confused at why he called it a random vote at first, because there was no way I could see it.

THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION

No, it's me asking whether or not he really believed it was a joke vote.

DemonHybrid is smart enough to know that this argument is BS. It sounds SO stretched. Just read it to yourself and imagine writing it.

You kind of missed the point there. Like the fact that my main argument that REGARDLESS, he was not scumhunting and whether or NOT it was a random vote (because I still wasn't believing it, because of that

fucking first post FoS

).

bob, how often and how common is an RVS FoS followed by an RVS vote?

[DemonHybrid]

Now I have a fucking headache. You get your Giitah ISO tomorrow, asshats.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, bob, please sit down and think about how much this:

VOTE: barry allen for being faster than me

Followed by this:

FoS on gilitah for possessing an idiot ball

And then this:

unvote

vote archaebob

for taking everything too seriously

Can all be RVS, especially with the tone shift of the last post.

And then think about how this:

unvote, vote demonhybrid

calling someone definite scum o n the second page, over a RV. Plus blindly following bobby

Sounds genuine.

[DemonHybrid]

that claim is awful.

Takes a lot of effort to sit there and not do anything, but instead, berate people.

My partner will claim in time. We're not outing both masons.

[DemonHybrid]

that claim is awful.

By the way, not only does this post make you sound like some snob, you also never commented on whether you believe it or not. The kind of shit that I'm talking about when it comes to you (waiting too long to deliver information).

Do you believe it, do you not believe it, or are you not sure? Why?

[DemonHybrid]

And yeah, Pine sets off the scumdar for his vote hop, for reasons Barry Allen said. My scumreads are probably Jil and Pine at this moment, until Spadille's replacement actually says some things.

Pine:

That is a very solid case by bob. Its strength suggests ONLY one scum in {bob, DH}. I don't buy that as bussing at all, so a DH scum flip would more or less clear bob and vice versa.

Yes, I'm reversing my stance on bob. I only get tunnel vision like this when I'm wrong, and lately I've been seeing the Towniness and been plain stubborn.

Unvote
Vote: DemonHybrid

You haven't explained in the least as to why you agree with it and feel compelled to switch your read on bob.

[DemonHybrid]

The other mason isn't going anywhere. He/she will claim on their own time, lest scum risk a mason fakeclaim and an auto vote from my partner.

[DemonHybrid]

@Nintendoaddict1: I am referencing a different game in which archaebob and I were both town and I chose to defend him.

RE: Outing Masons: You have two choices. Either you keep it a secret who it is, and maybe plant a breadcrumb that your partner knows about which they can then reference later when they claim, or you can out them. If you out them, you will either get lynched anyway, in which case your partner will probably be killed and that will be the end of the masons, or you defer the lynch and the scum have to decide and either paint both of you as scum or to spend their time killing you off instead of other PR's and having no hope of lynching you during the day.

It's up to you.

Yeah, I'm not going to out my partner. Not quite yet.

Also, hiplop, I noticed you completely ignored my question. It's funny how you think you can sit there and insult ME for being bad, yet you're pretty much completely absentminded in this game.

[DemonHybrid]

If you guys really have bugs up your asses about my Jil vote, I'll switch it to Pine. Barry is right.

Unvote, Vote: Pine

Jil is still a strong suspect, though, UNTIL she posts some genuine reads and does some case pushing.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm still waiting on Pine's defense, by the way. That vote switch was incriminating and until he says something about it, my mind is set.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

I need to reread now.

[DemonHybrid]

Why are the people who are still on Pine still on Pine?

Giitah, Scumhunter, I want answers. Ace, I got yours. I dont trust it.

[DemonHybrid]

V/LA from now until Monday, June 27th.

I'll still be waiting for those answers.

[DemonHybrid]

Meh.

I stopped tracking this game ages ago, leaving it on a nintendo/octopus/giitah scumlist. Maybe the current meta is to kill those on track. Who knows. Good game