Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh hai Kinetic let's shake hands for the press

Goddamn I can't wait to be killing people

[Kinetic]

If we were both at Goofbash we totally could have done that in real life Albert, would have been golden.

[Magister Ludi]

Batt, what I was saying is that most of the xvart wagon >50% was made up by players I didn't especially like or have pro-town sentiment towards

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote

Vote: Yos2

[ooba]

Batt, what I was saying is that most of the xvart wagon >50% was made up by players I didn't especially like or have pro-town sentiment towards

This isn't a standard game with a scum team where that logic would apply ..

[Magister Ludi]

And, no, Batt, I'm still leaning towards recruit on you. Several of your posts have been offputting (don't get strong protwon motivation) and several of your suggestions have been flat out wrong. (no lynching for example)

~~~~~~~~

Hey, Yos, do you still disagree with me and think Batt is an unlikely recruit?

[Magister Ludi]

No, ooba, of course not. But If I have my two main suspects on the xvart wagon, Yos2 and chrono, and several other secondary suspects, It only reinforces to me that xvart wagon is not very good.

[Chronopie]

semi-/prodded again.

Those exams I mentioned in the signup thread as probably around D2 start:

Tomorrow (Wednesday 15th), Monday (20th), Tuesday (21st).

that is all. I'll be able to get into the swing of the game properly after that.

--

Even if two of your main suspects are on a wagon, that doesn't necessarily mean a wagon is bad. This is Multi-ball. Even if Yos is recruited, that doesn't mean Xvart isn't. etc.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, but I don't think xvart is at all.

[Herodotus]

Come to think of it, a vig list is extremely anti-town.

Not on day one of this game from someone who is likely to be lynched. I think it's null.

It is. It is quite scummy. Think about it.

I can see how it would be useful to him as scum in the scenario that he wasn't under heavy suspicion and wasn't the lead wagon. But if he is lynched and his recruiter is removed from the game due to the white flag rule, a vig list isn't going to give him a new chance to win. Or even if his group stays in (either because he evades being lynched or because he isn't the only member) the list may be useful for connections or ignored by the vigs. I think it will only be taken seriously if xvart is lynched and flips town.

What do you think of the other vig lists that have been made previously?

[Bunnylover]

Deadline less then 26 hours away.
Still a little daze and confused on this game (mainly cult + Day 1).
The chances of us hitting cult are very unlikely.

semi-/prodded again.

Those exams I mentioned in the signup thread as probably around D2 start:

Tomorrow (Wednesday 15th), Monday (20th), Tuesday (21st).

that is all. I'll be able to get into the swing of the game properly after that.

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Even if two of your main suspects are on a wagon, that doesn't necessarily mean a wagon is bad. This is Multi-ball. Even if Yos is recruited, that doesn't mean Xvart isn't. etc.

But if both your main suspects are on the same wagon, wouldn't you avoid that wagon because obviously both recruit are on that wagon v-v? Or are you assuming that one of his reads are wrong?

Unvote

[Chronopie]

Considering one of his main suspects is me...

The latter. obv.

[Yosarian2]

Ok it is post like xvart's last post that really make me feel like he is not part of a cult at this point. As was pointed out before, most of the main case against Xvart was the fact he was most likely a recruit choice and it pretty much has stuck all game.

Unvote

@Yos2: Ok you believe Cobbler is scum, yet you are on xvart? Still feel that is the right place to put your vote?

For crying out loud, deadline is TODAY. You've got to be voting for SOMEBODY here, we need to lynch.

As for your second question: yes, I've made quite clear that xvart and cobbler are two of my top suspects. I'd be willing to lynch either at this point. I don't think a cobbler wagon is going to happen right now, though.

[Yosarian2]

YOu too, bunnylover. You need to be voting for somebody.

[ThAdmiral]

xvart - 8 (Yosarian2,

ThAdmiral

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Chronopie

,

Fritzler

,

Nobody Special

,

bvoigt

, Lady Lambdadelta,

Katsuki

)

Personally, I would be hesitant to join a wagon where 77% of the wagon included the most engaged portion of the playerlist. It really doesn't say a lot about the collective scumhunting of the group when you have these people as representatives. I was hesitant to include DGB due to overall posting amount, but her

actual

scumhunting and engagement level has been minimal to none. Regardless of the subjectivity of the DBG inclusion, the point still stands.

I don't get what you are trying to say here...

But I like the colours!

@ xvart: why did you wait so long to start defending yourself. You are actually sounding reasonable. But now if I want to unvote (which I do) I only have a couple of viable options to choose from, and they aren't ideal either. I believe others when they say chrono is a bad recruit pick because he is erratic, and I feel that yos is getting wagonned simply because he is known as a good player.


Dammit.

unvote

vote: chrono

The main thing that andrius pointed out that resonated with me was how he pointed out chrono was constantly putting himself down to make it seem like he'd be a bad recruitment choice. That's as good a point as any in my eyes.

Plus my list thing was obviously l33t cult-identifying tech.

[Battousai]

DGB 1205- Unfortunately, one of my many, many powers is not N0/day investigation. I think the case on him is weak, and I have him down as a null tell. I'm not confortable lynching someone who has no better chance at flipping scum than random.

Yos- This is what you said in 1194 "If it's the only way to make sure we don't no-lynch, I'll move my vote over to chronopie tomorrow, but I don't like it. I really don't think he's that likely to be scum here." I must have misread that to thinking you meant xvart, but the point will stand if you switch to Chrono before deadline.

Yes, you are right about the cult thing, but my point is that you shouldn't join a wagon on someone you feel is likely to flip town or you have a null read on. Yes, there is a chance at eliminating a scum team, but if your read is null at best, the chance is severly hampered from that players POV.

unvote, vote: Ludi

Ludi has the most support of any of my suspects.

[ooba]

@Batt

"I'm not confortable lynching someone who has no better chance at flipping scum than random."
Lynching at random is a much better choice than No-lynching when you know there are cults in the game.

Sure I would like a Tajo lynch above everything else and my reads on {Yos,Chrono,xvart} are {Town,Null,Town} - Doesn't stop me from choosing one of the wagons and moving towards a lynch. One of the skills of a townie is effectively reading the game state - You definitely aren't going to get a Ludi lynch and your vote is wasted .. Got to compromise ..

[populartajo]

Vote: Yosarian2

Ludi lynch is not happening so people voting him and anyone else at 1-2 votes are not useful votes.

[Zdenek]

This is very interesting since you were previously "most inclined to support my lynch" yet I fail to make your list, especially when you consider your recent soft support of me being scum.

Before I made my list, I reread the game, and decided that you weren't a great candidate to be scum based on the way you've been playing. So even though you might be a decent choice to be recruited, I don't think you were.

Why? And you're rolefishing.

It's not role-fishing, and it was RVS - mafias are well-known to bribe public officials.

Why are you doing this?
What good does listing potential recruits do just based on roles?

At the time, there was nothing else to go on, and it wasn't just based on roles.

My vote is on Chronopie basically because nothing he has done makes me think that he's town. I'll be here for two more hours or so, and if needed I'll move my vote. I think it's best that we take a shot at lynching today.

[ooba]

xvart - 7 (Yosarian2, Chronopie, Fritzler, bvoigt, Lady Lambdadelta, Katsuki, Seraphim)
Chronopie - 5 (xvart, Cobblerfone, Zdenek, ooba, ThAdmiral)
Yosarian2 - 6 (Herodotus, Nobody Special, DrippingGoofball, Porochaz, Magister Ludi, populartajo)
ThAdmiral - 1 (inHimshallibe)
Tanarin - 1 (springlullaby)
Magister Ludi - 2 (Andrius, Battousai)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)

Not Voting (2) : Tanarin, Bunnylover

With 25 voters, it will take 13 to lynch. Nightfall will occur no later than the end of June 14th, server time;

(expired on 2011-06-14 23:59:59)

. Due to the ridiculous number of prods out right now, 12 will lynch

AT

deadline; 13 before.

Tanarin, Bunnylover, Flameaxe, Andrius, Battousai, springlullaby, inHimshallibe

need to change their votes

[Porochaz]

xvart - 7 (Yosarian2 Chronopie, Fritzler, bvoigt, Lady Lambdadelta, Katsuki, Seraphim)
Chronopie - 4 (xvart, Cobblerfone, Zdenek, ooba, Thad)
Yosarian2 - 6 (Herodotus, Nobody Special, DrippingGoofball, Porochaz, Master Ludi, Tajo)
ThAdmiral - 2 (Dry-fit inHimshallibe, Batt)
Tanarin - 1 (springlullaby)
Magister Ludi - 1 (Andrius)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)

People not on either of the two top wagons are wasting there vote. That is spring, andy, bbm, Inhim, Batt (although Im guessing you did that deliberately), xvart, cobbler,Zdenek, ooba, thad.

People on my list being looked at tomorrow, DGB, Batt, Ludi and anyone who posts and doesnt choose yos/xvart in the next few hours.

[Zdenek]

Vote Yos2

compromise.

[ooba]

Chrono is an equally valid wagon - 1 vote less than Yos and 2 votes less than xvart .. Don't want it shut down .. I'm here 24 hours - if required I'll shift to either of the others ..

[ThAdmiral]

If someone ends up feysalling today I will be going after them SO hard tomorrow.

[ThAdmiral]

Is deadline in 3 hours? Is that right?

I'll be tracking the game and will be able to move to another wagon if needs be to get a lynch, but I'm going to give the chrono wagon a bit more time to see what happens.