New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Thor

He can handle it, he's the god 'o thunderrrrrrrr.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote:Swag

[PeregrineV]

Feel like Glowball is town.

Would like to hear from Swag piror to lynch- may be replace bait.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.

for Swag replacement to weigh in.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, I've gone through a couple of ISOs, and

Whoa, sorry about that- brain fart.

Vote: BeaverWeasel

Gogo counterwagon!!

Plus lying and ignoring questions.

Spoiler: more words

Will be happy with DK lynch unless he improves playstyle. Hint=drawing modkill warning =not good.

[PeregrineV]

We're another SOOPER SEEKRIT HYDRA.
Since this is a hydra, we will post at least once per RL day, but don't expect many posts throughout each RL day. It may happen, it may not.

Ended Sunday, no V/LA.

[PeregrineV]

@PBug- I'm here, doing my reads.
Was going in order, but probably do KoC, Palisade to see how Palisade argument stacks up.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine should post like nao.

7 posts in ISO, half of which are just votes and the last of which makes an unfulfilled promise of reads.

Like, really?

That's not even active lurking.

The reason to take out KoC now is that they are a decent candidate for a mafia RB which would invalidate having Palisade kill them as a show of fealty.

-TO

Sorry, we had half-year close at work so this week was RL stuff.

So far only done Sancholates and JDGA, was going to do Palisades but I believe the vig claim, so I'll push it to the end.
So far they both appear townish, but need to update for the last 5 pages.

[PeregrineV]

Votecount 1.4

PBuG

(8)

:

xRECKONERx

,

Thor665

, Palisade,

PeregrineV

,

bvoigt

, Taro,

SleepyKrew

, 65536, Celebloki,

sanchocolates

, Mist7676, chkballin, kryptinen, JDGA

chkballin

(6)

:

Tomie Uzumaki, Thor665, xRECKONERx,

JDGA

, sanchocolates, bvoigt, SleepyKrew

DeityKabuto

(2)

:

xRECKONERx

,

Tomie Uzumaki

,

Parabollocks

,

Thor665

, PBuG,

Knight of Cydonia

, jilynne1991,

Taro

sanchocolates

(1)

:

DeityKabuto

JDGA

(1)

:

BeaverWeasel

Parabollocks

(0)

:

Palisade

Knight of Cydonia

(0)

:

Knight of Cydonia

Thor665

(0)

:

PeregrineV

,

chkballin

65536

(0)

:

BeaverWeasel

Taro

(0)

:

Taro

xRECKONERx

(0)

:

kryptinen

Palisade

(0)

:

bvoigt

,

sanchocolates

jilynne1991

(0)

:

SleepyKrew

,

Parabollocks

,

JDGA

,

Celebloki

Not Voting

(4)

:

Zihark, Parabollocks, Knight of Cydonia, PeregrineV

Deadline is

July 10, 2011

With 22 alive it takes

12

to lynch.

Day1 was ended abruptly, with PBug 3/4 of the way to being lynched, and chkballin halfway there.

PBuG (8):Palisade, Taro, 65536, Celebloki, DrippingGoofBall, chkballin,

kryptinen

, JDGA
chkballin (6):

Tomie Uzumaki

, Thor665, xRECKONERx, JDGA, sanchocolates, bvoigt, SleepyKrew
sanchocolates (1):

DeityKabuto

JDGA (1): BeaverWeasel

The first votecount of day2 has us here.

Palisade (5): xRECKONERx, SleepKrew, Celebloki, sanchocolates, Taro
Knight of Cydonia (3): Thor665, PBuG, Palisade
chkballin (1): bvoigt
JDGA (1): chkballin
PBuG (1): Knight of Cydonia
jilynne1991 (1): Parabollocks
Parabollocks (1): 65536

Noting Voting (6): DrippingGoofBall, JDGA, jilynne1991, Zihark, PeregrineV, BeaverWeasel


Here and Now

Knight of Cydonia (7): Thor665, Palisade, PBuG, SleepyKrew, jilynne1991, JDGA, DrippingGoofball
jilynne1991 (1): Parabollocks,
Celebloki (2): xRECKONERx, chkballin
chkballin (1): bvoigt
PBuG (1): Knight of Cydonia
SleepyKrew (1): 65536
Palisade (1): Taro

Noting Voting (5): Zebronic, PeregrineV, BeaverWeasel, sanchocolates, Celebloki

So a couple of questions for all the readers and thinkers out there.
14 people wanted to lynch one of two people when the day ended day1. Day2 starts with Palisade votes, and are now almost all KoC votes.
So, in short, what the hell is going on?

@Palisade- Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?
@Taro- Which post of PBug's convinced you that he was town?
@65536- Which post of PBug's convinced you that he was town?
@Celeboki- Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?
@chkballin-Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?
@JDGA- Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?
@KoC- Why your day2 vote for PBug whom seemed to be ignored by you Day1?

@Thor665- What made KoC more scummy than chkballin, or how did chkballin redeem itself?
@xRECKONERx- You are now voting the same player as your main lynch candidate day1. What gives?
@JDGA - You look to be jumping on the biggest wagon at each time, and not much else. What is so attractive about the KoC wagon?
@SleepyKrew- Which post(s) of chkballin's convinced you that he was town?
@Jilynne- Please quote the three scummiest things said by Koc and Parabollocks, as you indicated here.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: SleepyKrew

Otherwise, Nobody Special is trading a 1 for 1, and I get the impression from other games that scum doesn't do that.

[PeregrineV]

Goddamnit. And here I was hoping that Thor would be a voice of reason and convince Reck to lynch Nobody Special.

APPARENTLY YOU GUYS ARE JUST TOO FOND OF FOLLOWING THE "COP" WHO IS ACTING

EXACTLY

LIKE A SCUM FAKECLAIM.

If we lynch SleepyKrew, Sleepy will flip town.
If we vig NS and NS is kill-immune, we lose a better vig-shot as well as a pro-town player.
Then we'd lynch NS.
If we're still alive, we get another vig, sure, but the scum also get a free kill on ANOTHER pro-town player.

And that's not accounting for this third, likely-SK-kill. That adds an additional two (most likely pro-town) deaths every night. Leaving us with five dead town instead of two. You can see the difference.

Additionally, an NS-scumflip today would condemn chkballin and Celebloki for the reasons I outlined earlier.

Now, compare that to lynching NS. IF NS was SOMEHOW town, then we simply vig SleepyKrew. We lose three town, sure, but we are free to lynch scum tomorrow.

But WHEN NS flips scum, we'd have lost nothing beyond normal, and gained a freakin huge plus.

Conversely, use your lynch on one of the others, and if SleepyKrew isn't town we lynch NS tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Oh, boy.

[hilarious backpedaling] So, apparently, we didn't shoot chkballin.

The funny thing about Hydras is, that sometimes, we communicate so well that we forget and miscommunicate key details. Heh, imagine that. Our QT last night essentially went:
ME: "...Alright. I'm clueless as to who to kill. *some talk about suspects* chkballin, maybe?"
Redhead: *some more talk about suspects* "I say we kill chkballin."
ME: "Alright, chkballin it is!"
Then, morning came with no bodies. I immediately posted, "we shot chk[ballin]".
And then I thought, "...but why didn't he die?"
So, I run off to our QT, and ask the dreaded question. "...You DID submit the chkballin kill, right?"
"I thought you did!"
"But I tho--ooooooh, boy..."

You see, the funny thing about conversations like that. You both tend to get the impression that you're reading the mind of your partner better than you apparently actually can, hah. We had mutually assumed that the other had done the deed. As it turns out, we apparently were, well, assuming a little too much. So, uh...yeah. We didn't shoot chkballin last night. We shot nobody last night. (Oops? Heh, heh.) Imagine that. You gotta love the little fine details of playing a hydra with killing power... [/hilariously sad backpedaling]

Not cool.

Well, if Pal is town, and wanted chkballin dead, let's start the day there.

Vote: Chkballin

@Thor- :sigh:

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- I feel like if you were SK you would not claim at all, since it would make no sense for you at all, or you would claim at the beginning and be shooting people right and left.

Since you did claim unpressured, I was skeptical. Since you also only shot 1 night out of three (good hit btw). And I think you lasted 4 posts from claiming...:lol

And since I do believe the 1-shot vig claim, what made you choose JDGA and, using those reasons, who should be lynched today?

[PeregrineV]

@bvoigt- Yeah, those were the days.....

Anyways, boss was in town and just left, so can catch up.

[PeregrineV]

@Reck-Post 1180- so if you are investigated you will die either way?

@Thor- Post 1184- Am now growing a beard to become more like you.

@Palisade (Redhead)- There's two of you. If you could pop in and explain why chkballin is a target I'll feel less like an ass for voting him.

@Palisade (otherhead)- There's two of you. If you could pop in and explain why chkballin is a target I'll feel less like an ass for voting him.

@Taro- Question is still out there.

[PeregrineV]

I currently think half my voters are scum. Guess who they are!!

[PeregrineV]

Ok, sorry, my mind hasn't really been on this, since I've been worrying about prep schools and that stuff. Also, I'm leaving for a mathcamp today, so, like, although I'm allowed to bring my laptop, I doubt I'll want to check on mafia scum while I'm there.

But you've replaced out in other games, can't figure out why you decided to stay in this one.

@Thor- why is Taro(sadly) town?

@Mod- votecount please.

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- why is Taro(sadly) town?

Why? Do you want to lynch Taro?
If so you're doing something wrong.

He's not my first choice, would rather lynch Paraballocks, but I think he's being hit by the prod police, so not sure it wouldn't be a wasted vote.

But reading his Iso does not ring town bells for me. That's why I'm asking you what part of him is doing it for you.

[PeregrineV]

Town:
12. PeregrineV- town
16. Thor665 - town

6. VinegarEater - town claim PGO
20. Celebloki- town as per NS
15. NobodySpecial - town, claimed cop
8. Palisade - town as per NS

17. xRECKONERx - townish
7. bvoigt- townish

Unknown-
4. FourseenCircumstance
5. DrippingGoofball
9. Auckmid
13. Taro
18. Parabollocks**- most scummy
19. chkballin- scummy, vig target

Everyone voting Auckmid- can you tell why he is scummier than chkballin?

[PeregrineV]

@Vinegar- My vote on chkballin came from here:

Palisade Post 1122 and Post 1159

But, when it came time to respond to it, or anything, chkballin ignored everyone:
Last 2 posts

Chkballin 1262
and
Chkballin 1267

Plus current wagon on chkballin is 5 of my 7 town reads

Paraballocks & chkballin are voting Auckmid, and Taro is voting me.

Auckmid I have less of a read on, and may be lurking towards replacement.

For dfwio;wfwno;-17rg;jinlnvv15porignugoga,.15kerklgnigoi15ge;hn;gjrjgjruivnakv

[PeregrineV]

crap cofffeee spilllll

[PeregrineV]

The guy who votes the modkill only day1, sticks his vote on you day2, then goes back to rvs style voting on day4?

I don't like him, and think he may be mafia-aligned.

What do you think?

Spoiler: Off-Topic-

Be nice to your IT group. It makes replacing "damaged computer peripherals" that much faster.

[PeregrineV]

Vig should be Paraballocks.

Investigate should be unknown to us until tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

So apparently agreeing with the lynch of another player makes us scum? I do believe that the wagon is positively motivated, but I don't like the fact that Reck pointed out that we jumped on the wagon and then

seemingly

forgot to vote until his next post a few minutes after someone else agreed with what he said.

That being said- we're getting lynched HOORAY- HOORAH.

CLAIM: Back Up Roleblocker

~

BALLIN

I call bullshit.

Link me 4+ site games that contain this role.

Confirm Vote: Chkballin

[PeregrineV]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Peregrine wants to task chkballin with going through and searching for games that contain a backup roleblocker.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Backup

I've seen it in at least two games before. Your reason for disbelieving his claim is terrible.

And were they scum or town? Large theme games, not c9++ setup?

And my reason is he's full of shit.

I'm supposed to believe that we have a town roleblocker, that, when he dies, chkballin will take up the town roleblocker role?

I did a preliminary search and came up with jack shit. It he wants us to believe his fakeclaim, he can do a little work to support it.

[PeregrineV]

No.

You can have a SCUM roleblocker who is backed up by a TOWN roleblocker, or vice versa.

lol

No what? I asked like 4 questions.

How is it balanced to give town a RB role when the scum RB dies?

So, are you saying you believe chkballin to be the Town Backup Roleblocker?

[PeregrineV]

After that VERY FUCKING OBVIOUS PROTOWN REACTION TO THE FAKEHAMMER let's realwagon now

Vote: Auckmid

Do you mean this highly informative last-ditch "I want to give town everything I can!" post from chkballin?

And now I'm lynched...guess it's my fault for not being more pro-town, it's all a learning experience and I know the rest of you will bring in a town win. See you on the other side.

~

BALLIN

Not sure if it's because you believe his backup governor claim or what, but if don't want to lynch him, you might as well go for the FourseenCircumstance lynch. Read the last 5 posts, or hell any 5 posts.

P-edit: 6!!

[PeregrineV]

I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way.

@Fourseen- Why do you wish to die? If you do, talk to Reck, maybe he can make it happen. Or just claim scum, then we'll lynch you.

[PeregrineV]

In this day of super-lightning hammers, it's still ok to give actual cases for wanting to lynch someone.

And some of us actually require it.

[PeregrineV]

Here's the case: That slot has posted a total of twelve times; the last post being almost three days ago. Even if VT, they're playing anti-town.



P-Edit: Wow, Taro -- any explanation?

Or not playing at all. But even if VT, it at least gives us numbers.

And if that's the only case, I'd rather lynch Paraballocks.

[PeregrineV]

lol I'm getting you lynched by the end of this game, NS

You're not pulling one over on me

You do know that unless we win before lylo, lynching the cop is standard for verification purposes. So can we wait 'til then?

Unvote.
Vote: Paraballaocks

[PeregrineV]

Here's the case: That slot has posted a total of twelve times; the last post being almost three days ago. Even if VT, they're playing anti-town.



P-Edit: Wow, Taro -- any explanation?

Did you give me a case/reason for voting Auckmid in the first sentence, then call out Taro for voting Auckmid in the 2nd?

[PeregrineV]

If you'll note, the Taro comment was a preview-edit. I was about to hammer when that was taken from me.

I just wanted to hear his reasoning, that's all.


Scumreads [of varying degree] (and pool of investigationalityness): Fourseen, Taro, Parabollocks-slot, Reck, Peregrine

Sure as shit, that was the hammer.

Auckmid (8): Thor665, DrippingGoofball, Parabollocks, chkballin, xRECKONERx, FourseenCircumstance, Celebloki, Taro

Well, it'll be nice if he's scum, but Paraballocks, chkballin and Taro voting him makes me think otherwise.

[PeregrineV]

If you'll note, the Taro comment was a preview-edit. I was about to hammer when that was taken from me.

I just wanted to hear his reasoning, that's all.


Scumreads [of varying degree] (and pool of investigationalityness): Fourseen, Taro, Parabollocks-slot, Reck, Peregrine

You were voting chkballin, yet he's absent from the list.

Reasons?

[PeregrineV]

We have a personal suspicion on Vinegar.
We also aren't fans of Taro's hammer.
And we also think Parabollock's slot has a significant chance of being scum.

If you're a real cop, NS, DO NOT INVESTIGATE THESE NAMES.

Our vig target will be among these three names.

We won't be shooting NS. As pointed out, if NS is a legitimate cop, he'll give good results. If NS is lying scum, he'll be forced to clear/condemn too many people before lylo and we'll be able to catch him. Additionally, the thought of lynching NS the day before lylo is a good one, for the confirmation of results.

He needs to die, sure, but not yet. Not by our hands, tonight.

Have you worked out who will send in the kill, and that it will be done? And what about chkballin, your original "target" for last night?

[PeregrineV]

If you'll note, the Taro comment was a preview-edit. I was about to hammer when that was taken from me.

I just wanted to hear his reasoning, that's all.


Scumreads [of varying degree] (and pool of investigationalityness): Fourseen, Taro, Parabollocks-slot, Reck, Peregrine

inb4 NS shows up with a MAGICAL SCUM RESULT on me tomorrow

If it makes you feel better I think your

very scummy

, but probably not scum-aligned.

[PeregrineV]

We have 3 scum flips and a boatload of vote counts and interactions. We should be more logical than just voting whoever :glares at Reck:

"Palisade" has been cleared by NS.

@NS- how are you results returned?
1. Guilty/not guilty
2.Scum/town
3.Guilty/Innocent
4. Some other word usage

Also, please list your targets by day.

@Palisade- your promised case, and please list your targets by day.

[PeregrineV]

Here we go, PV. Let's look at the possibilities:

#1) NS is actually a cop.
This means he actually got an innocent result on Pallisade. However, Pallisade is either town or a Serial Killer. Investigation-immune SKs in a game this size are completely normal and common to see because SKs

always

have some kind of immunity/boost to their abilities. If NS is actually cop, that makes two cops, which means a SK with investigation immunity is not only probable, but likely.

#2) NS isn't actually a cop.
This means he bullshitted a result on Pallisade, which may or may not matter. If NS isn't actually a cop, he's scum bullshitting for the WIFOM anyway, and it means jack shit about anyone's alignment.

There's no scenario where Palisade is scum, since he's claimed extra kills. And I can't really see a scenario where

town

has two cops, two vigs, and a roleblocker + backup roleblocker. Palisade is pretty much confirmed SK at this point, so let's stop dicking around and off him.

Actually, I can go with this. If the town vig is going to be RBed the rest of the game, and can confirm our cop (maybe), and may also be a SK, then myabe it's for the best.

Unvote.
Vote: Palisade

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine -
Why do you think we should believe NS?

Well, he did catch SleepyKrew.

And I think he came in with
Celeboki-town
Palisade-town
Reck-town

So, if he's lying, did he just sacrifice Sleepy and been given town reads on town, or is there scum in there? Also, he knows he has to be lynched before lylo, and I think scum wouldn't set themselves up for an autolynch like that.

[PeregrineV]

=================[]

Will you listen to the man/men/or women/multi-headed mythical beast?

He/They/They/It is presenting a case.

[PeregrineV]

@Palisade- If you've been RBed last 2 nights, who do you think is RBing you?

4.

FourseenCircumstance

PBuG* Swag136**

- being prodded again
5. DrippingGoofball

Mist7676

6. VinegarEater

jilynne1991**

- claim town PGO
7. bvoigt
8.

Palisade- claim town vig, town as per claimed town cop

13. Taro
15.

NobodySpecial - claim town cop

17.

xRECKONERx- town as per claimed town cop

18.

OPEN

Parabollocks**

19. chkballin - claim town backup Roleblocker
20.

Celebloki- town as per claimed town cop

Assuming NS is real, and his reads real (for now) and no investigation immune stuff, and none of the absent players, who do you think might be roleblocking you? Do you think it's town or scum?

DrippingGoofball
VinegarEater- claim town PGO
bvoigt
Taro
chlballin- claim town backup Roleblocker

[PeregrineV]

This assumes that the 'absent' (non-posting) players did not submit a night action. A probable assumption, but an assumption all the same.

Yes. The consistency in RBing Palisade 2 nights in a row indicates to me someone that is keeping up with the game, not a missing person going "might as well send in an action!"

[PeregrineV]

DrippingGoofball - vanilla
VinegarEater- claim town PGO

bvoigt
Taro

chlballin- claim town backup Roleblocker

Why them?

[PeregrineV]

Of those two I would wager that Taro is more likely to be the RBer. He lurks but is present enough and Palisade has mentioned on a couple occasions that he may vig Taro at night.

Then is he town RBer or scum RBer?

And with the town having
cop
??cop
2-shot vig
??vig
??PGO
??backup RB

and so far mafia
goon
goon
goon

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Fourseen

I thought I'd done this already.

You did, putting him at L-1. Care to throw a reason out there with it?

[PeregrineV]

Taro might be a waste, looking at his iso would net us a scum or a not-scum, but not necessarily a town.

I'd rather someone more active/useful. DrippingGoof or chkballin would be top choices.

Haven't seen the rest of Palisade's Vinegar case.

[PeregrineV]

Palisade was cleared by NS, who is the cop, unless we think Palisade is babyface SK.

[PeregrineV]

Every needs to unvote, and we need to figure this out.
My top suspects right now are Amrun (mostly becasue of Para, so this is the weakest of the three), chkballin (for the same reasons as before), and bvoigt (still no read on him after 6 days. Somethings up there).

So, much more discussion before lynching. Please everyone unvote and use the day wisely.

[PeregrineV]

Specifically, I want to avoid another mislynch like yesterday. I can't remember the case, but it seems like we have enough information to analyze votes, review living players and dead player interactions, and actually lynch scum.

We have claims. We have claims of night actions. That should also provide us info.

How many scum are left? Do they have a GF? Do we have a SK? Do they show town when investigated? How close are we to lylo or town win?

I would like to discuss this before rapidly lynching..well, anyone.

[PeregrineV]

Of the things he's said without acting on them, you mean? I was mostly referring to his last two posts. He mentions vote count analysis, interactions with flipped scum, and claim analysis. But he doesn't actually do any analysis, which to me, says that he wants to appear town by making suggestions, but doesn't truly care about what they will say.

Or, because I'll most likely claim and end up dead unless we lynch correctly, and maybe even then. And when other people participate in logical scumhunting, it helps me read whether they are town or not.

So starting from the top:

5. DrippingGoofball

Mist7676

6. VinegarEater

_{jilynne1991**}

7. bvoigt
8. Palisade
12. PeregrineV
15. NobodySpecial
17. xRECKONERx
18. Amrun

_{Parabollocks**}

19. chkballin
20. Celebloki

DGB-??
VE- claimed town PGO
bvoigt-??
Palisade- claimed town vig, killed Tomie, Kublai, Taro, claimed 2 RB, inv by NS
PeregrineV-me
NS-claim town cop, Celeboki, Palisade, Reck=town, Sleepy=scum, 1 RB
Reck-inv by NS
Amrun-??
chkballin-claimed town backup RB
Celebloki-inv by NS

At this point, I think we should all fullclaim, popcorn style (each person picks next to claim).

Thoughts?

@Reck-slow it down. It's not a race.

[PeregrineV]

Sure. Town Doc.

Night 1 protect Reck
Night 2 protect NS
Night 3 protect NS (no mafia kill that night, Pal RBed/forgot)
Night 4 protect NS
Night 5 protect NS (no mafia kill, Pal Taro)

So, for this reason I believe NS to be a cop. Which means I accept his Celebloki, Palisade, Reck results, but because of two cops, I also think there is a Godfather role. As to whether or not NS has already investigated the godfather in the form of Reck or Celebloki, I don't know. Or if they are straight up town, and we have yet to hit the GF, I don't know. Is Palisade an uninvestigatable SK? I don't know.

So, next I'd like DrippingGoofBall to claim next, but hell, if you read the thread and haven't yet, please claim with actions.

[PeregrineV]

also LOL at this

FLIPPED:
Cop
2-Shot Vigilante
Town Miller

CLAIMED:
Another cop
Vigilante
Paranoid Gun Owner
Backup Roleblocker
Doctor

HAHAHAHAHA no

no way, especially with THREE GOONS flipped so far
thar be scum in these claims

Well, unless NS mafia team skipped two nightkills for some strange reason, I have to think I protected him on the two nights in question. Which makes me think he's real.

And of course with "Backup claim" we have to think RB exists.
But more on this after everyone finishes.

Celebloki, DGB, bvoigt claims next. And Palisade to list night actions and results in one easy -to-read post.

[PeregrineV]

Backup doesn't necessarily mean we have a no kill.

????

Backup roleblocker usually indicates Roleblocker, of which Palisade claims to have been the target of twice, Thor once, and NS last night.

Can you explain what you mean by your post?

[PeregrineV]

As a matter of fact, Roleblocker actions:

night1: Thor
night2: ???
night3: Palisade
night4: Palisade
night5: NS

[PeregrineV]

The roleblocker is 100% scum, especially if NS is claiming roleblocked.
So we're not gonna be getting a RB claim.

Well, they could be town if they think Palisade is SK and NS is scum. So they could still claim it and their reasons, and we could hear them out and determine if they are town.

[PeregrineV]

Backup doesn't necessarily mean we have a no kill.

I mean that the RB cod actually be scum. It's happened before; check the original execution mafia (in wiki).

Town had a nurse; the doctor was on the scumteam.

Why would a scum roleblocker block the NK?

[PeregrineV]

I'm going to be immediately very suspicious of anyone who claims town RB and claims to have blocked NS. Reckoner seems to be the only one here who has a strong scumread on him, and he's already claimed VT.

Let's finish the claims and go from there. No sense on trying to outguess the mod.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine:

Sorry, was a typo. I meant a town RBer. Idk wtf I was thinking of.

So in Post 1668 you meant:

I mean that the RB cod actually be

scum

town

. It's happened before; check the original execution mafia (in wiki).

Town had a nurse; the doctor was on the scumteam.

Do you think the RB could be town and the chkballin scum (based on the doctor/nurse comment)?

[PeregrineV]

No, the other way around. Of course, what you said is possible, but in the game I was thinking pf, the backup was town and the full PR was scum.

You lost me again. The other way around?

I mean that the RB cod actually be

scum

town. It's happened before; check the original execution mafia (in wiki).

Town had a nurse; the doctor was on the scumteam.

Says primary PR is scum, backup is town. and you're saying "other way around", but repeating it:

Of course, what you said is possible, but in the game I was thinking pf, the

backup was town

and the

full PR was scum

.

[PeregrineV]

No, you corrected it to "RB could be town," when I said the RB could be scum.

In any case, I think we understand each other despite me confusing my words.

Nope, totally confused.

Can you take this quote and say the whole thing the way you mean it?

I mean that the RB cod actually be scum town. It's happened before; check the original execution mafia (in wiki).

Town had a nurse; the doctor was on the scumteam.

[PeregrineV]

DGB and bvoigt haven't claimed yet.

If we think Palisade is SK, why are we not directing his shots. He hits our target or we lynch him. If he is roleblocked, NS gets another investigation.

Not getting the urgency, esp. in light of the two statements above.

[PeregrineV]

I'll be out of town and posting/reading will be null/minimal during this time.

V/LA Friday Aug 12 to Mon Aug 15

[PeregrineV]

I did.

DGB and bvoigt haven't claimed yet.

If we think Palisade is SK, why are we not directing his shots. He hits our target or we lynch him. If he is roleblocked, NS gets another investigation.

Not getting the urgency, esp. in light of the two statements above.

Reck thinks it's too late to direct SK.

I want to hear rest of claims, and then think we get Pal to vig who we want or lynch tomorrow. He is either town or SK, but we're not hitting scum, who still has a RB and NK out there.

[PeregrineV]

@Wraith- Thanks for modding- great game!

I'm just glad I was able to get as many doc protections in as possible. Didn't want to out myself really, but was hoping town would slow down the lynch speed near endgame.

[PeregrineV]

I figured there was a GF once Palisade flipped SK and was investigation-immune. But didn't think it was Reck

I also kind of figured that I might not have actually protected NS on the nights with no kill, so he wasn't 100% confirmed in my mind. But his play was such that I believed his role enough to push the protected thing. Unfortunately he was RBed effectively once Palisade was dead.