Mini 1190: Game over

[Captain Corporal]

VOTE: Hoppster

Haiguise

[Captain Corporal]

Also...
1. What timezone are you in?
2. Scum or Town, which is more fun?
3. RVS or RQS?
4. Batman or Superman (hint: Batman)?

Aaaannndd my own answers to those questions...
1. GMT +10 (Australia)
2. There are differences that make each side unique and good.
3. RVS, I like random voting. Questions are good, too, though, because it's fun and less "intense".
4. Batman, all the way.

[Captain Corporal]

Awful questions they may be, but I still want everyone to answer =p

[Captain Corporal]

I hate millers.
Nice Roleclaim.

[Captain Corporal]

If that wasn't random, I am confused.
I've never actually played with a Miler before, but from what I read on the wik, they sound pretty annoying.

Also, leave my poor questions alone.

[Captain Corporal]

xD This is going to be a great game.

[Captain Corporal]

Time to re-read, Sleepy. I'm voting Hoppster, not Empking >_>

I have bad questions? What sort of case is that? None! None at all.

P-EDIT: Sorry if my claim post was unclear.
Br "I hate millers", I mean they add an annoying aspect to the game, of "how do we know if he's scum fkeclaiming or really town".
By "nice roleclaim", I mean "good job on claiming that straight-up".

[Captain Corporal]

"Idiodic town"... I like the sound of that.

Also, to answer Hoppster's question, I believe the miller claim is a null tell.

P-EDIT: They shouldn't, imho, Sleepy. That's what I was getting at when I said "Nice roleclaim".

Also, as long as we're out of RVS, UNVOTE:

[Captain Corporal]

Is there a point to Sleepy's post?

P-EDIT: Oh. Nevermind. When I said "they shouldn't", I was reponding to Sleepy's question, which asked why should millers wait to claim. When I said "They shouldn't", I mean "They shouldn't wait to claim".

[Captain Corporal]

I'm going to wait for some input from other.
In other words, I'm going to sleep.

So far everyone is null.

[Captain Corporal]

One last post Hello, Sundy, looking forward to playing in a game with you again!
Sleepy, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Pressure isn't so bad.

P-EDIT: @Thomith: Lol, it was just for fun. Which, co-incidentally, is what we are meant to be having, and what the game is intended for.

P-EDIT: I agree with you on your "Bad logic admitted = slight town tell" point, Sundy.

P-EDIT: @Sleepy: What's up with voting Sundy and Thomith? Trolololol.

[Captain Corporal]

Still awake =.=

@Thomith: I ask random (hence RQS) questions to get the game going. It doesn't matter if they're relevent or not - they can be fun. And I'm say my "awful" questions promoted quite a bit of discussion, don't you think?

@Sleepy: I like your style.

[Captain Corporal]

Sleepy: Yea, but a small amount of discussion was made from my awful questions =p

P-EDIT: @Thomith: Well, I decided to put a fun question in. Also, I fail to see the point of this discussion. Scumhunting time.

[Captain Corporal]

...and you didn't answer what you like about me.

I like the fact that you were actively scumhunting early-game (page 1), albeit poor scumhunting.


Reading through slowly

[Captain Corporal]

I like PBuG's #83. The fact that you are willing to wait and not quicklynch is a town tell.

This whole Toro case I see on page 4 looks good. I don't like Toro's #80. He didn't need to make a post of it, imo and is trying to play town. His IGMEOY just sounds like he's backpeddalling.

Continuing to read.

[Captain Corporal]

@Toro
Show me where I contradict myself in #23.

[Captain Corporal]

@Sleepy
Toro is my top and only scumspect. But my read onhim isn't all that strong. After there's some input from all the lurkers, I'll give you my scumspects again.

[Captain Corporal]

Man I've been lurking.
Or it lest it seens I have been, what with all the posts that aren't mine.
@Mod - Your facts make make day(s).

@This whole argument between Toro and Empking...
At the moment I'm not sure what to think of either of you. Kind of. Well, I'll just explain. Empking is pressuring up a storm, and imho, he is getting some good results. Toro, on the other hand, has some alright points agaist EmpKing, but I don't reaaally think they hold much merit. For example, all Toro's posts on the mislynch issue were basically fluff. They seemed a little scummy. Then came EmpKing calling Toro Godfather due to the Cop inveStigate request by Toro. I understand why Emp thinks this, and to an extent, I agree. Toro was being pressured, so he plays the "investigate me" card. But he could also be town. >_> Rereading time.

[Captain Corporal]

Urg, sorry for hardly posting. I've been fairly busy IRL. Reviewing the last few pages, then I should be able to get some reads up.

[Captain Corporal]

Alrighty. I've generally caught up, but I'm going to read through a few ISOs, mainly Jakesh's, Panzer's, Thomith's, Toro's, Emp's, and anyone else I feel as though I need to review. Also, I'll be posting around this time every day, but not usually any other time. I should get 10 or so posts in each round.

Now. Reads...
Town:
PBuG: I like very much the quality of posts you've been giving, and the amount. It seems you have been genuinely scumhunting and are doing well
Sundy: I

think

I like your posts so far. They are generally pretty good.
Empking: Ok, your miller claim seems alright to me. You've also been scumhunting well, and the fact you've been reaching out on a limb and calling Godfather also strikes me as a towntell.
Xvart: I like what I've seen so far. Your walls are understandable and ask some good questions. Of which I will answer.

What kind of answer is this?

I'll expand, if you wish.
Town - Being town is good because it promotes teamwork, and build on convincing others your case is the best. It is lots of fun discovering the "bad guys", and is still fun when you lose and rage at who actually was scum.
Mafia - Mafia is good because it promotes individuality and working alone. Sneaking and decepting, this role puts you iin the mindset of a criminal, and is great fun.

Why? What purpose does it serve?

As I said before,it promotes discussion.

What have you learned from the discussion so far?

I didn't learn as much as I had hoped, although I do like that fact that you picked up on it. And how was it "scummy" discussion? I fail to see that point.

Sorry, guise, the other reads will have to wait. I really don't feel up to posting much more. I will spend more time tomorrow outliming and going in-depth on my scumreads.

[Captain Corporal]

I totally feel like hammering.
I'm kind of cautious about this vig-claim of Toro's. Couldn't he be a SK or something? Or just simply lying. Although I'm happy to let him live through the night, as long as we lynch him tomorrow.
Is Elfen being replaced or something? I have no idea what happened there... Although, I admit he sounds scummy, mainly throughout the last page, I would like to see what his replacement or Elfen has to say about it.
Nothing has really changed other than these town points.

[Captain Corporal]

I'm sure SK could claim one-shot Vig and disguise it sneakily somehow.

@Mod: I meant the part about the account deletion or whatever..

[Captain Corporal]

Also, I'd like o ask some un-game-related quetions (well, kinda).
1. What is breadcrumbing?
2. What is tunnelling?
3. If, at endgame, there is a SK/Mafia left, or a Vig/Mafia,or something like that, what happens?
Sorry, I'd just like to clarify these, and I couldn't find them on the wiki (although I didn't look very hard)

[Captain Corporal]

Welcome, replacees.
Vollkan's first post looks good to me.
A side question, why would someone vig themselves? There seems to be no point to it...
Re reading... again.

[Captain Corporal]

I like your scumhunting method, Vollkan.

[Captain Corporal]

Panzer, I'm not a frequent poster. Just sayin'. Everything else on your case on me I agree on. I have been slacking off and not scumhunting. While I have been keeping a few notes on people, I haven't really been working. My next post will have my reads, reasoning, and whatever in it. Although it'll have to come in over 12 hours, though, I can't construct a case on a mobile device.

Also, I will be V/LA from Friday till Sunday. Australian time.

[Captain Corporal]

Sorry, everyone. I only really get on in bursts, 24 hours apart. I WAS going to post my case today, but I had unexpected visitors. I sincerely apologize. I'm on that mobile device again, but it doesn't have the capabilities to write a case. I will answer any questions shot at me in the next few hours, but then I will be V/LA until late Sunday/Monday.

After that a bit of normality will return to my posts.

[Captain Corporal]

*cough* Notes? I haven't kept notes in any of my games. This may sound really stupid, and it is, but I'm working on changing it.

Even if I had any notes, I can't get to a computer to access them.

Although, I'll give you my scummiest reads.
Toro: Strong scumread. I have many mixed opinions on your vig claim, and I'm still not sure what to make of it. Everything else before it is scummy. And you know what they say. If it sounds like scum, looks like scum, and smells like scum, it's probably scum.
Sundy: I have no idea why, but right now I have a weak scumread on you. But that could be the tiredness talking. Either way, I need to ISO you.

Xvart seems good.
Vollkan seems good.
Noname seems good.
Panzer is interesting, but tht's probably just because he's (or was) pressuring me.

[Captain Corporal]

Whoops. Noname isn't in this game. Wrong thread >_> That's why I shouldn't post at night.

[Captain Corporal]

@Sundy: Time to start reading my posts. I said I'd be V/LA until now. IGMEOY.

Now, I'd like everyone's opinion of me.

I will re-read and write some notes on people.

[Captain Corporal]

The Lynch All Liers thing? I take notes in the most sophisticated memory bank available - my brain.

[Captain Corporal]

I'll start using a computer now, if it makes you feel better, Sleepy =)

[Captain Corporal]

When I said I kept a few notes, I meant in my head. Nothing huge.
When I said I had no notes, I was responding to you "Show your notes" post.

I really don't understand how this discussion is getting us any closerto scum.

[Captain Corporal]

Sorry everyone. I'm caught up with all my games, now all that is left is to post a bit more here. Holidays coming up soon, so expect to see more of me between now and the end of them.

[Captain Corporal]

Well, the above post just earned mega townpoints.
And welcome, Sunday.
Sleepy, not sure. Imma re-read tomorrow when I'm on a computer and setup some good reads.

P-EDIT: Two posts above now.

[Captain Corporal]

@Sleepy - You were at L-1. Why would scum unvote?
@Sunday - He was town before and he's town now.

[Captain Corporal]

I didn't say it was.

[Captain Corporal]

Ah, Quilford. I've played in a game with him before. Good times.

[Captain Corporal]

Since Krew flipped scum, I've been expecting votes on me.

Quick post giving my reads:

Town

Xvart - Seems to be genuinely scumhunting.
PBuG - Also, good scumhunting. Getting good vibes from you.
Empking - Weak town read. Just gut for now.

Null

Thomith - I actually need to ISO you, which I haven't done before. Until then you remain null.
Sunday - More posting would be nice.
Hoppster - Again, I would like to ISO you. Null for the moment.
TheFool - Once more, need to ISO.
Panzerjager - I'm a little concerned about you, but that probably just because you were voting me.

Scum

Sundy - You seem to be coasting along nicely without making yourself too obvious. I'll ISO you as well, and put up a better read on you.

[Captain Corporal]

Alright.

Holidays just started, loads of time for MS.

If I don't have a set of reads up (with evidence) in 24 hours, lynch me.
Well.
I'd rather you didn't, but I'll have those reads. Going to sleep soon.

[Captain Corporal]

Ok, I've got a fairly sad set of reads which I'm working on right now. My scum reads will have all the quoting and stuff, and the town ones won't (it's getting late), unless you really want it.
Wall of posts starts now.
Firstly, Xvart.
Strong town.
Your posts have been clear and consistant, and your points you make seem understandable. I'm still not sure why you're considered scum, but anyways.

[Captain Corporal]

Ok, looking at PbugISO, I could definitely see a Emp/PBuG scumteam.

Early game I had a pretty strong town read on you, but now, looking at your ISO, I see otherwise.
I see some mad bussing here.
In #146 you defend Emp's miller claim, then in your next post you go on to accuse Emp. Where's the logic in explaining his actions and then attacking him?
Then in #199 you say you are sure one of Toro/Emp are scum. After Toro claims vig, you never speak of Emp again. Here's the situation as I see it. If you were scum *coughyouarecough*, you would be wanting Toro to be lynched over scumbuddyEmp, obviously. So you vote for Toro. Toro then claims vig and destroys your plan. You are forced to back off Emp than to risk his lynch.
Also, your main point against me is that I'm an active lurker. How is that a good scumtell?
Next up is Emp.

[Captain Corporal]

Hmm, Emp actually looks pretty town. Although he only mentions PBuG once. Not sure what to think of that.

Sundy now

[Captain Corporal]

Sundy, after a re-read, is now leaning town. His posts are very consistant, and I'm getting town vibes. I also like the fact he progressively progressed my scumminess throughout the game as I lurked. That just seems towny to me.

My other read list was terrible.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: PBuG. Now I just need to wait for everyone to call OMGUS. Go ahead.

[Captain Corporal]

Sorry, everyone, but I gotta stop there. It's 12:40am and I can't trust myself to write a coherent post.

When I'm dead, take my scumreads into account.

[Captain Corporal]

Sorry everyone.
It seems I don't have enough time as I thought I would. I'm really doing nothing useful.
/replacementrequest
Don't go and lynch my replacement without giving them a chance.
Any last questions?

[Captain Corporal]

Hey,
good job Town
Sorry I wasn't around to see it through, although if I stayed I probably would have been lynched. GG