SleepyKrew wrote:VOTE: Sundy
This ain't random is it?
PBug wrote:I guess I was just misguided, it didn't make sense to me because, as scum, claiming miller instantaneously can deflect suspicion, and it will likely perplex my future read of Empking... Buttt in light of Empking's explanation it makes sense. That and the fact that I haven't played in a while so I should probably screw my head on a little tighter.
Thomith wrote:If even you think they are aweful questions, why ask them? I don't care about answering questions but if they won't help in the long run i dont see the point.
Sleepy did you read the thread before saying CC voted for the miller claim or even acknowledge who he voted for?
The EK claim seems town, as if i am understanding right a miller claims Day 1 so the Cop isn't hindered in the long wrong.
Empking wrote:But I won't be investigated by a Cop. That's the point of claiming Miller.
Unvote- IGMEOYing before having a serious vote along with the weak "Don't take this as me wanting to get rid of Empking right off the bat but it's certainly something to think about."
Vote Toro
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:
Unvote- IGMEOYing before having a serious vote along with the weak "Don't take this as me wanting to get rid of Empking right off the bat but it's certainly something to think about."
Vote Toro
I'm merely throwing the thought out there,
Yes like scum would. Scum would subtly try to plant an idea in people's head. Town would at least vote.
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Empking wrote:Toro wrote:
Unvote- IGMEOYing before having a serious vote along with the weak "Don't take this as me wanting to get rid of Empking right off the bat but it's certainly something to think about."
Vote Toro
I'm merely throwing the thought out there,
Yes like scum would. Scum would subtly try to plant an idea in people's head. Town would at least vote.
It's not like I'm the only person here who considers this a possibility, and it's not subtle at all I flat-out provided my reasons for thinking. Nice try trying to say I'm subtly trying to plant an idea. Would a vote legitimize my case for you?
"I'm merely throwing the thought out there, " is scum talk. That's all there is to say.
SleepyKrew wrote:Toto, you vote an IGMEOY?
Empking wrote:No it's not. Once again, would a vote legitimize my case to you?
If you weren't merely throwing the thought out there then I wouldn't be voting you for merely throwing the thought out there. That's true.
SleepyKrew wrote:So the "will a vote legitimize" is hypothetical, and you won't actually be doing it. And voting Emp isn't going to start a bandwagon, there's no case on him.
thomith wrote:So you would have prefered it if Toro didn't say anything about it?
also one vote wont start a BW unless there is a solid case on the person being voted.
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Empking wrote:No it's not. Once again, would a vote legitimize my case to you?
If you weren't merely throwing the thought out there then I wouldn't be voting you for merely throwing the thought out there. That's true.
I think you're trying to mis-read what I'm saying back there, you're trying to make it look like I'm pushing it as scum, but it is a strong possibility. Why so jumpy?
1. How am I jumpy?
2. If it was a "strong possibility" why did you "merely throwing the thought out there,". Surely a strong possibility deserves more than that.
SleepyKrew wrote:Toro wrote:1. You're attacking me over doubting your Miller claim. What you fail to realize is that all of us don't know who you are exactly, and that there is a possibility that you're faking the Miller claim so you can get the cop of your trail. Your attacking me due to my thinking appears jumpy to me.
You just admitted he's town.
Vote: Toro
Thomith wrote:there is a possibility that EK is faking the miller claim however i doubt it, i just find it towny that EK claimed miller straight away as to not confuse town more than needed later in the game.
SleepyKrew wrote:Toro wrote:1. You're attacking me over doubting your Miller claim. What you fail to realize is that, and that there is a possibility that you're faking the Miller claim so you can get the cop of your trail. Your attacking me due to my thinking appears jumpy to me.all of us don't know who you are exactly
It may be me being slightly incoherent due to the time, but I think that's a scumslip.
So Totoscum, top scumspects?
PEDIT: No duh. We're all doing that. Way to make a big deal out of nothing. You just made my vote feel even better.
Thomith wrote:This is the thing i never understand, if you have a strong FOS why do you vote someone else other than your strong FOS?
Thomith wrote:Ok, yes i have been echoing others ideas, but i have also tried my best to state my opinions as well, also what is your definiton of active lurking, because it seems that it is different from mine.
Thomith 40 wrote:I leave for a day and already 2 pages and we are out of RVS, something tells me this is more different to newbies than i imagined.
Anyway.
1. What timezone are you in? GMT
2. Scum or Town, which is more fun? Town
3. RVS or RQS? RVS
4. Batman or Superman (hint: Batman)? this is relevant how?
no really i can understand how the first 3 could help us but what is the 4th question there for? also tell me if i am understanding right, millers claim early so they don't mess up cop reports later in the game/ to reveal sanity, that is how i think miller claims are used anyway.
and seeing as it seems we are out of RVS i will hold back my vote for now.
Thomith 48 wrote:If even you think they are aweful questions, why ask them? I don't care about answering questions but if they won't help in the long run i dont see the point.
Sleepy did you read the thread before saying CC voted for the miller claim or even acknowledge who he voted for?
The EK claim seems town, as if i am understanding right a miller claims Day 1 so the Cop isn't hindered in the long wrong.
Thomith 50 wrote:hm... ok then, but still i find it weird but sure.
Thomith 55 wrote:@CC But the last question was out of place there, the first 3 could have been used/be used later to scumhunt but the last one seemed very out of place to the others.
@SK i just feel the mistakes you made aren't really town like imo, null tell not scum tell atm but i have my eye on you.
also of course mafia can claim miller but it should help town if miller claims early so cop isnt screwed over in lylo if they investigate them.
Thomith 69 wrote:So you would have prefered it if Toro didn't say anything about it?
also one vote wont start a BW unless there is a solid case on the person being voted.
Thomith 76 wrote:there is a possibility that EK is faking the miller claim however i doubt it, i just find it towny that EK claimed miller straight away as to not confuse town more than needed later in the game.
Thomith 87 wrote:RVS ended ages ago Elfen...
Hoppster 101 wrote:... Come again?
Of coursethere's a chance he's town (and therefore a Miller), that's the situation WITH EVERYBODY.
Please... with this logic, you should never ever make a vote apart from a select few scenarios when somebody is confirmed scum.
Hoppster 101 wrote:I'm not even being hypocritical, if that's what you're driving at. Starting a wagon and rushing onto a wagon are very different things.
Hoppster wrote:Are you saying that there is no chance that Thomith is town? Pray, tell us how you know this.
You have 2 points on Thomith - Null and Null-Scum.
You have 2 Scum points on myself. You have 3 on SleepyKrew.
And yet you vote for Thomith?!
Panzerjager 103 wrote:Umm, Did anyone see Sleepy's Miller Mason Recruiter claim? I think the scum are gambiting us here. EK claims miller straight away then Sleepy calim's he's not only a miller but a Mason Recruiter as well? I'd be willing to bet there are not two millers in the game. Or two masons.
SK 116 wrote:1. You seem a bit more suspicious than "null".
2. He's a famous player.
3. Well, if you were Cop, would YOU waste an inv now that you know you'll get a guilty?
4. 65/35 isn't "null".
CC 23 wrote:Br "I hate millers", I mean they add an annoying aspect to the game, of "how do we know if he's scum fkeclaiming or really town".
CC 23 wrote:By "nice roleclaim", I mean "good job on claiming that straight-up".
Empking wrote:1Joe60, Sundy, Thomith, Captain Corporal, Jakesh97, Elfen
You guys suck. Seriously, he admitted to "just throwing it out their" that's the same thing as claiming scum.
Elfen wrote:Well here are some scenarios.
There is a 50/50 chance of either being scum cause bussing and all that work in the beginning?? Ah no.
There is a 100/0 chance of Emp and Toro being town. Which this may be the case here most likely.
Elfen wrote:If we lynch Emp and he is the miller, then we lynch Toro.Both end up being town
Elfen wrote:Again, we are dealing with a confusing spot :/ We have no idea if he is telling the truth or not, we don't even know if the mod told him he was one. He may be scum who knows. But we cannot tell till Day one is over, so lets keep a close eye on him and lets try to get other people who havent posted enough and lets hear their thoughts about all this.
Elfen wrote:Toro wrote:
Elfen wrote:If we lynch Emp and he is the miller, then we lynch Toro.Both end up being town
Wait what? You know we'll both end up town? Anyone else reading a scumslip out of this?
Unvote
Vote: Elfen
Yes. This has been stated before.
Umm Tell me how. as i said, it was a scenario. If Emp really was the Miller, and we lynched him Day 1, most likely(well possibly) you may be gone next the next day. Thus, since there is a Mafia kill and there may be a SK/Vig role, 2/4-6 Townies gone in that instant :/ Again scenario =.=
Thomith wrote:We have no idea if he is telling the truth or not,
Well duh, of course we have no idea if he is telling the truth or not as we cannot confirm EK unless he dies, however i am willing to bet he is town as he claimed quickly where imo scum would have waited untill they were investigated before claiming to give them a cover story when the time comes but wouldn't want to have the spotlight on them early on in the game.
Thomith wrote:But if they claim early they would get alot of attention which they probably would not want that much attention drawn to them early in the game where as if they claimed later then they would be able to go through a while without having that attention on them
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Thomith wrote:But if they claim early they would get alot of attention which they probably would not want that much attention drawn to them early in the game where as if they claimed later then they would be able to go through a while without having that attention on them
According to SleepyKrew Emp is a "famous player" so we can always assume that the attention is going to be on him.
No. Meta me if you want.
PBuG wrote:Honey, you said his miller claim was a nulltell after saying we know how you felt about it.
Empking wrote:Elfen is playing like an idiot but is also lining up lynches.
Empking wrote:Toro doesn't want to be blamed if I get lynched thyerefore he's careful to point out that he's only throwing it out there. He wants me mislynched but doesn't want the blame.
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:
Empking wrote:Toro doesn't want to be blamed if I get lynched thyerefore he's careful to point out that he's only throwing it out there. He wants me mislynched but doesn't want the blame.
Where did I say I want a mislynch?
Don't be an idiot. Scumhuntiong is all about making educated guesses for why someone posted what they did.
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Empking wrote:Toro wrote:
Empking wrote:Toro doesn't want to be blamed if I get lynched thyerefore he's careful to point out that he's only throwing it out there. He wants me mislynched but doesn't want the blame.
Where did I say I want a mislynch?
Don't be an idiot. Scumhuntiong is all about making educated guesses for why someone posted what they did.
Once again, where did I say I want a mislynch?
Once again, Don't be an idiot. Scumhuntiong is all about making educated guesses for why someone posted what they did.
Empking wrote:PBuG wrote:Toro wrote:Empking wrote:Elfen is playing like an idiot but is also lining up lynches.
Ah, I thought I wasn't the only one who saw this.
I agree, except I think he's scum with you because he started with agreeing with you and now there's this slow distancing you guys seem to be doing. You voted him with flimsy, easily debated reasoning, then unvoted him even though you still seem to think he's suspicious.
This is good posting.
Toro: When did I say that you said that you wanted a mislynch?
Empking wrote:He wants me mislynched but doesn't want the blame.
Thomith wrote:Toro i think EK is trying to say you are playing as if you wanted a mislynch not that you actually said you wanted a mislynch...
Empking wrote:OK. I'm not going to drown this by posting anymore but I think we can all agree that Toro is pretty clearly scum at this point.
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Thomith wrote:Toro i think EK is trying to say you are playing as if you wanted a mislynch not that you actually said you wanted a mislynch...
That's the thing, I DON'T want a mislynch. I've said earlier in this thread that if Empking's play starts to look town-ish than I will start to believe the miller claim. His play as of late reeks. He still said I want him mislynched, which is complete bull.
Scum want mislynches. You saying you don't want a mislynch is as trustworthy as you saying you're not scum aka not trustworthy at all.
Empking wrote:OK. I'm not going to drown this by posting anymore but I think we can all agree that Toro is pretty clearly scum at this point.
Why, because I doubted your miller claim?
No because you refused to answer the simple question that you made a big deal over.
I'm completely open to having the cop investigate me to clear myself,
This is a Godfather claim. No ifs, no buts. This is a godfather claim.
Toro wrote:Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Thomith wrote:Toro i think EK is trying to say you are playing as if you wanted a mislynch not that you actually said you wanted a mislynch...
That's the thing, I DON'T want a mislynch. I've said earlier in this thread that if Empking's play starts to look town-ish than I will start to believe the miller claim. His play as of late reeks. He still said I want him mislynched, which is complete bull.
Scum want mislynches. You saying you don't want a mislynch is as trustworthy as you saying you're not scum aka not trustworthy at all.
Empking wrote:OK. I'm not going to drown this by posting anymore but I think we can all agree that Toro is pretty clearly scum at this point.
Why, because I doubted your miller claim?
No because you refused to answer the simple question that you made a big deal over.
I'm completely open to having the cop investigate me to clear myself,
This is a Godfather claim. No ifs, no buts. This is a godfather claim.
Empking wrote:Toro: When did I say that you said that you wanted a mislynch?
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:Empking wrote:Toro: When did I say that you said that you wanted a mislynch?
You never said that. Why the hell would anyone ever say they want a mislynch?
So how did I misrepresent you?
Elfen: Toro claimed Godfather. That's a scum role. Mind bussing your buddy?
Empking wrote:Toro wrote:And you've been saying that I've been purposefully trying to mislynch you all of this time.It's absolute horseshit Emp.
Any evidence for that claim.
Elfen wrote:::Rolls eyes:: Isn't it obvious He's just shitting with you :/ Sure annoying, but don't get angry about it well try not to
PBuG wrote:Hoppster wrote:@ Toro: Veryclearly, I want you to say why you felt able to vote Thormith but not Empking earlier.
Hoppster wrote:Toro wrote:PBuG wrote:Hoppster wrote:@ Toro: Veryclearly, I want you to say why you felt able to vote Thormith but not Empking earlier.
Oh shit, missed this.
At that moment in time I felt that Thomith was a bigger threat, I didn't have as many points on him as most of his posts were the same thing and I felt he was scum trying to appear active. Empking's play I was going to evaluate some more through time and then make a judgment.
Okay...
Talk to me about this:Toro wrote:I'm going to be watching Empking more and more from here on out, I'm not going to place a vote down on him to start a bandwagon as there is a chance still he actually is Miller.
(That's assuming you see something relevant to talk about. If not, let me know.)
Hoppster wrote:Toro wrote:PBuG wrote:Hoppster wrote:@ Toro: Veryclearly, I want you to say why you felt able to vote Thormith but not Empking earlier.
Oh shit, missed this.
At that moment in time I felt that Thomith was a bigger threat, I didn't have as many points on him as most of his posts were the same thing and I felt he was scum trying to appear active. Empking's play I was going to evaluate some more through time and then make a judgment.
Okay...
Talk to me about this:Toro wrote:I'm going to be watching Empking more and more from here on out, I'm not going to place a vote down on him to start a bandwagon as there is a chance still he actually is Miller.
(That's assuming you see something relevant to talk about. If not, let me know.)
SleepyKrew 227 wrote:I'm back
So all I've seen is Toto failvoting Elfen (bus?), Toto and Empking yelling at each other, and Toto using terribad logic.
Thomith 228 wrote:Toro what happened to the "im not voting Empking because there is a chance he is actually miller?" think about it, he might be scum but if we lynch him and he is miller then we just lynched a potential clear. EK doesn't seem like the best lynch today looking at both turnouts.
Sundy 230 wrote:Sooooo, since I disagree with 1 of the wagons (SK) and I want to keep Empking/Toro around for the good points they make, I would recommend we redirect our wagon onto ANY of the 6 players above.
Thomith 246 wrote:Ok i have decided, Toro's Empking reasoning seems weird, although justified i think it is weird to BW the miller after you said you couldnt vote them not long before. VOTE: Toro
Thomith 248 wrote:it can do but i am unsure atm, i voted because i dont think a miller lynch is really ever good day one and toro is pushing it badly.
Thomith 251 wrote:Well i find it scummy that he is pushing the miller lynch which can be a possible clear to be lynched day 1, which is the reason why i voted.
Sundy 254 wrote:Empking I find more trustworthy than Toro, but he seems to have a very cool head, so I'm trying not to take him at face-value too much. I support a Toro lynch if it comes to that, but I'd rather talk about some other things first, since the case really started to tunnel and get boring. It would not surprise me if they were both town. I would be somewhat surprised if Empking was scum, less surprised if Toro was scum. I don't think they both are.
xvart wrote:When given the slightest amount of pressure your keeping your eye on Empking is now a full blown case? Why are you asking for someone else to provide justification for you to vote on something you don't think is a definitive scumtell? The fact that you still don't have a vote down at this stage in the game and haven't said anything else is highly suspicious.
SleepyKrew wrote:Toro wrote:SleepyKrew 227 wrote:I'm back
So all I've seen is Toto failvoting Elfen (bus?), Toto and Empking yelling at each other, and Toto using terribad logic.
I've never voted Elfen. Do you mean Thomith?
Toro, ISO 16 wrote:Unvote
Vote: Elfen
Ohaitheremisterscum.
xvart wrote:SleepyKrew, 266 wrote:Toro wrote:SleepyKrew 227 wrote:I'm back
So all I've seen is Toto failvoting Elfen (bus?), Toto and Empking yelling at each other, and Toto using terribad logic.
I've never voted Elfen. Do you mean Thomith?
Toro, ISO 16 wrote:Unvote
Vote: Elfen
Ohaitheremisterscum.
At least he self identified his Thomith vote as failvoting (bus?).
Panzerjager wrote:Don'tBuyIt.
UnvoteI'm rash, Empking is right, Vig yourself tonight.
PBuG wrote:Vote: ToroI don't buy it, and I don't think town would have said LOL GO LOOK FOR MY BREADCRUMBS.
Elfen wrote:::Rolls eyes:: yes, i do that alot. I usually keep my opinios to my self.. which isn't good on this game.. but I usually wait and ride it out. But when people want me to vote I kinda just do >_> and im still waiting for sundy's reason to her/him vote
Elfen wrote:-Account getting deleted. Left screen up on this and had my Picture and stuff on this site(basically language.) My grandparents are old... so imma have a loong talk tomorrow >_>
Thomith wrote:woah i dont think we should have a L-1 at this stage in the game UNVOTE: for now because i really dont want a hammer on someone untill there is a massivly solid case on them.
@Modif we dont use time before the deadline is it rolled over to the next day or just forgotten about?
SleepyKrew wrote:Elf being an idiot is a null-tell. Though Panzer, he does seem a bit more VIish than last game, doesn't he?
Anyway, Sundy, you're forgetting that Toto may be scumand that we have a SK as well.
The fact that Elf didn't know the Town Win-Con is highly scummy. I wouldn't put it past him not to entirely read the Role PM though.
So are we sparing Toto?