My Little Pony Mafia - GENOCIDAL FRIENDSHIP PONIES
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Why does it feel like this game is going to make me sad.
Jahudo I know that fluttershy is a character and etc.etc. But the first section of the post is the same thing that Rhinoz pulled back in objection mafia with Vi and the second thing looks really convoluted although I think I see what you're saying better now and that part is probably actually null alignment-wise but it bugged me so nyah.-
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I actually personally think that not RVS voting is generally slightly more likely to scum from town given cautious scum/aggressive town. There are better reasons to vote at this point though.
Espy's first post is significantly more likely to come from town than scum IMO.
I don't really care about what list Jahudo is on at this point. HE WILL BE REVEALED IN TIME.-
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hmm. So Maz is oddMcWeirdenstein but it's not a BAD weird.
Weyouns isn't a bad murder but I'd rather go Jahudo. Him poking at everyone else's suspicions while not even voting himself is giving me serious twitches.
Whereas Wey is scummy but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was town who just pulled a stupid.
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Jahudo it's everything except the wagon part.
Espy wrote:In addition: I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY. I AM EXACTLY THE PONY I WANTED TO BE HELLS FRIKKIN YEAH.
Now continue. Also I think I know who equinox is.
How many people have you seen say I GOT JUST THE ROLE I WANTED as mafia? Granted, he did just say pony and mafia almost definitely have fakeclaims, but upon getting a scum role PM he'd have to actually think about whether or not soft-claiming a well known pony was a good idea given that it would tie down his later claim a little, and it's more likely to come from town than scum because of that. Trying to figure out stuff is also generally a towntell but Equi admittedly made it obvious.
Yeah it isn't super fantastic reasons but he's more likely town than not so dealwithit.-
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@Equi- I haven't done it to this extent but I did do something similar in Mafia Reverberation when I replaced in to explain how I felt about Rhinox-http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54&t=13274
It's pretty much just a way to explain my thoughts on people better than I could with just normal "i think X&Y are prob scum and A,C,&F are all town", especially in the early game when my reads aren't super strong.-
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This game.
LIST.
TOWN
CHESSKID
Espy
hohum
inhims
TheLonging
LEANING TOWN
Equinox
USELESS PILES OF GARBAGE
Pinkie Pie
Fluttershy
Mina
FUCK IF I KNOW
Maziek
ONE OF THESE TWO IS SCUM AND PROBABLY NOT THE OTHER
Jahudo
WLC
YEP.
Flutter is more likely scum and slightly less garbage than the rest of the garbage but still garbage.-
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@Jarhudoz- I don't think you as scum would notice the scummiest post in the early game made by a scumpartner and a fast wagon approaching on him, think about what to do, and then provide a weak defense. Personally I'd expect either saying the case itself is scummy for X reason or going along for a bus ride if you were both scum together. Now if he's TOWN and you're scum then that's exactly what I'd expect from scum in that situation, or you could just be town that disagrees with a case on probable scum.
Also Espy is town, as provided in my glorious list of truths and facts. Maz gets a special category because trying to differentiate between townnewbie and scumfakingtownnewbie irritates me. I will give that she's more likely town than anyone in GARBAGE or below though.-
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@Equi- Maz has a bunch of null/null-scum/scummy reads, and I don't see anything that would differentiate her play from scum, despite not doing anything explicitly scummy.
@hohum and inhims- Stop that. you're both town.
inHimshallibe wrote:Mina wrote:VOTE: inHimshallibe
Not a fan of his TheLonging vote--it felt opportunistic. (Yes, I know hohum's came afterward...but as much as I should probably lie and say I found hohum's vote scummy as policy after Might of Mordor, his tone is coming off as genuinely frustrated.) I don't suppose it's too much effort to elaborate on what you mean by Jahudo being coy and TheLonging being scum, instead of speaking as though it's self-evident?
Oh, one last thing. What do you think of chesskid?
Kinda already alluded to this, but Jahudo having to ask which post Gamma thought was odd really felt like some intentional playing dumb. Maybe he's just a very deliberate player, as recent postings seem to be telling me so.
Chess seems p town. I wouldn't have expected too much OMGUS from the outset if he were scum, and he even backed off and upgraded TL to townread, and pointed such out to me. So yeah, town.
This is legit town scumhunting
hohum wrote:Unvote, Vote TheLonging
TheLonging wrote:You completely took that post the wrong way, I'm sorry. My vote WAS (at the time) PL, and he said "why do you see me voting NL as 3rd vote worthy?", which would imply there'd be some sort of wagon forming, which I responded "does that imply that you think hohum was a serious vote on you", because being "3rd vote worthy" is, yes I know this because I have experienced it as a mod and a player, some sort of worry that a wagon is being formed.
This doesn't even come close to making sense. Are you high or something? Let me ask a more direct question: Why are you namedropping me? If you can't put a coherent thought together you aren't going to be in this game very long.
This is legit town thinking that the namedrop is more likely to come from scum
hohum wrote:TheLonging wrote:I'm not talking about you really, I was talking about how chesskid was implying that there was some sort of wagon happening because I was the third vote. He was getting a bit defensive over my vote.
Does your inability to form coherent thoughts extend to reading comprehension as well? Once again, I don't see where he implied any such thing and I still completely fail to see how I'm connected to your line of chesskid questioning in any way whatsoever other than being the first vote on the wagon.
Along those lines, what exactly constitutes a wagon? I saw he's had at least 3 votes piled on simultaneously thus far. Does that constitute a wagon?
What about the votes you? Do you feel as if your wagon is unwarranted? If so, why?
And this is legit town....something. But it's not coming from scum. four srs.-
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flutterscared wrote:Gammamazing wrote:Weyouns isn't a bad murder but I'd rather go Jahudo. Him poking at everyone else's suspicions while not even voting himself is giving me serious twitches.
I agree with the cute little baneling :3
I find this to be more scummy and keeping away from making 'connections' than doing a no-lynch
fluttershyguy wrote:VOTE: WeyounsLastClone
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inHimshallibe wrote:It wasn't TheLonging's reason, it was WeyounsLastClone's reason. I never implied anything about WLC and TL other than WLC was voting for TL. You're creating this link to form a case, and it's rooted in deception.
Also, I did mention his looking into chesskid's meta, I said he was "2)being vague about chesskid". I've heard plenty of scum promise to go look up something and not provide it in that very post. All the time. I've heard town do it too, but add the pisspoor vote of TheLonging and I'd seen enough to vote, and not to get reactions, but to lynch him. But hey, look at that, it WAS a temporary vote. Hell, I don't even have WLC in the top 3 scums right now.
ITT hohum has thrown in the towel and Jahudo is using faulty foundations to attack me. Meanwhile, Fluttershy continues to impress. Vote one of 'em, I will follow.
megabolded is absolutely true. saying hohum threw in the towel isn't but i'm not voting inhims today when i understand exactly where he's coming from, he's done more scumhunting than most of the game, AND a third of the game is coasting by with no content whatsoever.
inhims wagon can go fuck itself. yeah i'm being meaner about this than I should be but jahudo's poking around until he can find someone to tunnel on with a case that looks good really looks like it's coming from scum to me AND wlc+pinkie haven't done jackshit all game, there's not the tiniest chance that I'm voting inhims with this many other players that are more likely scum than he is.-
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Well I do like having options.
And nah. wlc looked and looks like scum so he got voted. your early play of defending a lot of early wagons without giving anything of your own until the inhims vote, bringing up a friggen' chart of characters and a bunch of tangential info about the characters instead of just saying that you think espy is scum/not-scum, you going from questions everywhere with your inhims vote to
even your most recent comment withjahudo wrote:Tl;DR - inHim is desperate scum hoping we aren't reading the thread.
all look like they're coming from scum instead of town- it's like you're distanced from the game and making comments about it instead of actively diving in and figuring stuff out- I feel like that a lot when I get stuck into a scum role and I think that you feel the same way and were primarily trying to make accurate comments on the game for later instead of having to sort through suspicions and paranoia about the other player's alignments.jahudo wrote:I hope that sensible, analytical town can either find that on their own or carefully explain why they do not think that is more likely
with inhims I see the reasons behind most of what he's done in regards to wlc and bringing up what he HASN'T done and using it against him is a really easy way to say that town should do this and think this and not this even though his actions make sense as a whole.-
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I can do that.
you and espy and longing are still town
inhims is still probably town
chesskid is a town lean but that vote hop is paranoid city
Equi I'm a little paranoid about but leans town for the obvious breadcrumb+roleplaying more likely coming from town and her suspicions of me making a little more sense than they would otherwise given I'm playing fairly differently in here than in another ongoing game. She hasn't done a whole lot of stuff that rings specifically town or scum to me though.
wlc is still useless and you know what i think about him/jahudo already
mina's first post isn't bad but she needs significantly more words
pinkie pie remains a useless pile of garbage
fluttershy is a gut scum read- I haven't seen any scumhunting from the slot that couldn't easliy be faked by scum.-
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@hohum- Espy I've already explained. With theLonging he jumps right out of the gate with an aggressive badly reasoned case. He's not trying to look town, he believes in what he's saying despite it being fairly stupid and is willing to become lynchbait in the process of getting his opinion across, and he's said that hes sees why people are voting him instead of saying that the people on his wagon are scummy or pushing his case even harder to try and get chess lynched instead. TheLonging's play just isn't coming from a scum mindset.
Jahudo's bringing up a whole bunch of stuff about inhims that I don't think is true at all. If you go through inhims iso it's pretty clear why he voted wlc, and jahudo bringing up a whole bunch of stuff about that vote (that it's vague and he didn't want a better read on wlc and etc etc) is pretty stupid given that the way to get a better read on a player is for them to friggen' post more, which wlc hasn't done at allllllll.
I might make a full case on jahudo later today. I'd RATHER everyone else in the game show up and discuss all this stuff instead of it being the half-game argument hour but i'll take what I can get.-
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oh one more thing though.
jahudo wrote:I don't like how you put words in his mouth but in the end you are calling him probtown so it doesn't look like you are trying to throw mud in his direction.
well i don't like YOUR FACEYou do realize that hohum has said that's the reason why he thinks you're town right. Because accurately assessing someone's reasoning for a townread PROBABLY isn't a scumtell. ya know, based on my experience with Things and Stuff.-
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I'm confused.
I Thought that post meant you thought jahudo was town because you think inhims is scum and you don't think they're bussing.
which was exactly what i thought you'd say but if you said it then it was basically worthless in terms of me figuring stuff out hence saying don't you dare etc.
which is then followed by me thinking that i got what you said right and saying that to jahudros because if i say i think i know why you think hudo's town and am right then that as a scumtell doesn't make any sense
so i'm not really getting what i got wrong here.-
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@jahudo- i also thought this explained it pretty nicely
inHimshallibe wrote:Ok, I see it now.
The No Lynch vote was touched on briefly in the very beginning, but no, WLC's point had not been specifically addressed at the time of his vote. However, chesskid has posted more than that No Lynch vote, and I placed my vote on the reasoning that WLC's vote was made without considering the other behavior of chesskid/TheLonging/the person he was placing the vote on at that time.
To recap: WLC's post was a fly-by vote using incomplete information on a player, along with that reasoning being irrelevant at this juncture.-
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jahudo you dirty ninja. As a side note I'm a hypocrite as town sometimes, generally when I'm following my gut and trying to explain why I feel that way, such as in skype mafia when I said one person was scum for lurking hardcore when another person who I had and maintained a town read on was also lurking just as hardcore.How does this make you feel?
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I'm just gonna give the short version of the jahudo case because I'm a lazy fuck.
reads odd as stated earlierjahudo iso 1 wrote:So you better be town!
Jahudo iso 11 wrote:With the WLC wagon, I can understand why people will pressure someone who is not reading closely. You want to make sure they are putting time and effort into this game and not coasting. I can see how it leads to anti-town behavior but not scummy per say.
this and the earlier statement that he disagrees with wlc's wagon but doesn't actually give a read one way or the other on wlc
The whole chart bizness with espeonage instead of saying I think he's town/scum
And the general thing that most of this fits into of more questions and comments than giving reads and trying to figure stuff out, which i think is also shown in his isos 3, 5, and 10.
now excuse me while i put on my best trollface.
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FINE JAHUDO MAKE ME DEBATE STUFF.
STUFF YOU SAID THAT WAS FINE.
inHim called WLC scummy for something that inHim himself does (apply vague terms to players flippant vs. coy).
inHim did not follow up on his WLC vote with any acknowledgement of post 94 or 100.
Yeap perfectly fine reasons to suspect someone. No I'm not being sarcastic these are legitimately decent reasons to be voting inhims.
What.
inHim did not acknowledge that WLC's reason for voting was original at the time, which feels like an attempt to undermine its legitimacy as an opinion.
a)why does not acknowledging it matter when wlc proceeded to do BOATLOADS OF NOTHING after that point (aka remained a good vote)
b)undermind the legit- okay no. Ignoring something is not I AM SECRETLY MAKING YOU LOOK WORSE KEKEKEKE
inHim did not acknowledge that WLC almost certainly understood chesskid's no lynch vote was not a serious attempt to get a no lynch result. That accounted for a good chunk of the page 2-3 discussion, making it redundant for WLC to need to comment on it directly.
-Saying that someone Didn't point out something as part of a case against him is still pretty stupid IMO. Yes it might have been what you would have done in his position, but inhims is a different person AND he had already voted wlc before the explanation went down and wlc remained a good vote past the explanation because of his general uselessness.
As another side note Jahudo what in the hell is this-
Jahudo wrote:
Ah that's true hohum. It's possible Mina is stalling. Maybe she is just taking the easier parts of the game first and saving the bigger, more wordy part for last. Either way it's important for her to really delve into it and also not to be voting someone she has a town read on. Did she just forget?
Why are you giving maybes and possibilities and reasons why Mina may still be town even though you think it's scummy instead of trying to read her alignment. This is the exact same thing I've been going on about with you earlier- It doesn't look like you're putting ANY effort into trying to read Mina, just giving an explanation for why she is what alignment she is. (which is probably town)
Unvote, Vote:Jahudo
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I am blind and can only see darkness.
wlc wrote: I really don't get why you would vote No Lynch during random voting stage. If you're not trying to tie yourself to anyone
jahudo wrote:That indicates he did not think chesskid was arguing no lynch seriously. And once again it doesn't matter in this aspect of the case whether or not WLC is being general uselessness, it doesn't allow you to throw mud where it doesn't belong. That is bolstering a case for the sake of bolstering it, not because its the truth.
Maybe I finally see what you're differing on here.
HERE IS HOW I READ THAT STATEMENT-
wlc wrote: I really don't get why you would vote No Lynch during random voting stage [as town]. If you're not trying to tie yourself to anyone
Notice that the second portion of the statement (tie yourself etc etc) is an explanation of why scum might do it but not town.
HOW YOU MAY HAVE READ THAT STATEMENT-
wlc wrote: I really don't get why you would vote No Lynch during random voting stage [as a serious vote]. If you're not trying to tie yourself to anyone
and yeah.
I'll talk about mina and everything else in the post in a sec. I still think you're scum tho.-
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jahudo wrote:Ah that's true hohum. It's possible Mina is stalling. Maybe she is just taking the easier parts of the game first and saving the bigger, more wordy part for last. Either way it's important for her to really delve into it and also not to be voting someone she has a town read on. Did she just forget?
Is stalling scummy? Is voting someone she has a town read on scummy? If not what was the point of making that portion of the post?
And I think actually almost everything else can pretty much be explained by you reading it as "why this happan [as serious vote]" and inhims reading it as "why this happan [as town]".-
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jahuuudo if inhims read it like I did is it still UBERLYINGSCUMOMG because I don't think it is.
And I reaaally think you're scum given the number of times I've seen things like your Mina comment come from other scum as well as myself as scum on epicmafia and all the earlier stuff I've gone over and the making big ol' deals of This is my playstyle and (implication) therefore it it isn't scummy and yeah. (for super secret bonus meta I did the playstyle thing as scum to get townpointz in Ninja Mafia Boogaloo in day 1)
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BOO jahudo you respond to that but not this?
allmebaby wrote:jahuuudo if inhims read it like I did is it still UBERLYINGSCUMOMG because I don't think it is.
Two more alsos.
1-Oatmeal?
2-Iffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff you flipped town then I'd consider the inhims wagon more but I think I'd still try to get Fluttershy lynched first.-
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Jahudo wrote:
How could he have read it like you did if he admitted WLC was trying to "use that outdated reason". I still can't trust his clarification on that post after I called him out for it because scum could just make the clarification people want to hear. It shouldn't be an ordeal to get him to say what he really meant. So I take at face value what he said when his feet were to the fire and he wanted to explain his position. He said it was DAT OUTDATED REASON, which indicates he thought it was DAT LONGING REASON.Gammagooey wrote:jahuuudo if inhims read it like I did is it still UBERLYINGSCUMOMG because I don't think it is.
Jahudros you are missing the entire point.
If inhims has been saying that wlc meant "i can't think of a reason for chess's behavior [AS TOWN], then it's exactly the same stuff that longing and inhims and chess already talked about, hence outdated reason. it's only been gone over if you interpret it as "i can't think of that as [a serious vote].
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And then I said oatmeal, are you crazy?1-Oatmeal?
Yes, but I don't really get the connection between oatmeal and not being listened to.
Aaaaand Fluttershy should become infinitely dead tomorrow.-
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jahudo wrote:I believe "using that outdated reason" is evidence. You may disagree but I think it makes sense.
Uhm. I disagree with your conclusions? I've kinda gone over this multiple times so everyone should get what I mean at least.
Therefore, whatevers.
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Fluttershy wrote:Jahudo should not be the lynch for today. I was too caught up in the inHim arguments that when I went back and fully isoed him I found something I really missed.
FEEL FREE TO FILL US IN ON IT.
Fluttershy wrote:VOTE: WLC
I believe nothing changed much on my opinion of him
well as long as you BELIEVE your opinion hasn't changed it MUST BE TRUE.-
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.Equinox wrote:Okay, in-game bet: If either inHimshallibe or Jahudo flip scum, I eat rope. It makes logical sense anyway.
Yes, I'm that confident. Despite not having finished the thread yet.
NO.
If hudo flips scum you force through a Fluttershy lynch tomorrow because he's scum too.
And then you may or may not be lynched at a later date.
On a related note I would like it a lot better if the competing wagons were Jahudo and Fluttershy instead of him and inhims.-
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