Cultural Revolution is Over!

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Im limited until Friday, sorry.

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O yes, lets see...
Follow Mao Zedong Thought!

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EBWODP: /me groveling for forgiveness

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unvote, vote shamrock

why do you dont have to grovel for forgiveness? Are you more equal than me?

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Im lurking my ass off here.

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no. I just find it odd how easy it goes

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unvote if voting, vote mlaker

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No, because of 4posts total.

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It does not help an SK not to kill someone, unless there is a very good reason to.

Like, coming out and saying there is no SK left?

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Er what?

Is it definite that we have a cult? I dont understand...

If the cult recruits at random, they have some unwished possibilities:
1. Choosing a mason, which are unconvertible.
2. Choosing a mason's child - Will be lynched immediately.
3. Choosing a power role, which sometimes end in the recruiter's death (As far as I know).
4. Choosing a vanilla town - They have a new member.

Where does this come from? Did I miss something?

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Can we have a votecount?

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Eh, Im blind or something.

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vote Y

his last post triggers my scumdar.

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*kicks thread*

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vote Fritzler

Just swimming with the flow here...

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vote Y

Was I not sucpicious of him yesterday? Have to reread.

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unvote vote pug

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eh?

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vote SOS

like that?

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Y is hammah?

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Hm. Any guilty results?

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Well, what kind of interaction do you expect now that everybody knows the day will end in a guilty lynch anyway?

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vote Y

Shamroc, please explain.

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unvote

I dont really eat this. recruited, declined, then forcefully recruited but still protown? Hm. This sounds so made up taht it could be actually true. WIFOM at its finest. Shamrock can you tell us about your original role?

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I dont really buy this.

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If I have a guilty I'd like to hold off, i regret how quickly I gave it on the third day, valuable information can be had through observing interactions

it's not guilty and has no relevence to the current discussion

So.... you dont have a guilty?

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too bad.

vote Y

I consider shamrock still not clear as he could have access to that info if he is, in fact, a genuine redguard.

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we can trust them both

Wrong. Shamrock still could have that info (including the "there is someone else out there with this")if he is evil! He is not cleared yet!

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Hm. So we lynch Bacde, if he is scum then Shamrock and Chamber both are scum?

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No wait. Was fritz elite or yunan?

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So it still could be that Bacde was recruited by the other redguards, no?

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I dont think Bacde is lying for now.

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No, Kun Pang does not seem to really exist. Google does not know him either. That does not necessarily say anything tough.

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Why would wE? I have not found most of the names of the deceased either.

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Sorry, above was response to this

Even if we become unsure of his legitimacy

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No, they just wonder if you have any at all.

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What! 10 minutes after the opening of the thread, and I already have a prod... :shocked: I feel wanted

Glork dieing was expected. I wonder whats with the wrong medication.

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/s/:shocked:/:shock:

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I dont see the lie.

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But they never said they were.

CES will your daughter cease being able to communicate with you if she is turned?

Yes.

As in, they will case to be able to. As in, they wont be able to.

The third person in our family masongroup is a student at a local school that has been shut down -- and we were flat-out told that if our child was recruited by the Red Guards, they would stop talking to us.

Same difference. I think you misunderstand things here.

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Also, did you just claimed, or was that earlyer?

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So a mason group of 4 and another one with 3? Hmm. I can imagine cult having recruited the 2 children and now posing as a 4.th mason. Just thinking loud here.

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EBWOP especially as Tamuzx has voted Amelia earlyer. OFC this is all not an issue if I can find the claim...

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We need some replacements, I think. feuerdrache sticks out to me.

Erm... I think you may have your games mixed up there Vismajor.

Eh? Really? How come?

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Night Kills
Night 1
Ameliaslay - Peixuan Li, Li Family Mason, "People" - All evidence of culture burned from house and killed

Whomever. I meant the dead Li mason guy.

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And, add to that that I am not in Kingmaker

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vote viper

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Did it never occured to you that you are actually killing the people you want to protect?

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The people want feuerdrache! Give us feuerdrache now! (or a replacement..)

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BJ really kicks my scumdar high. He accuses viper of beeing antitown, then throws in the barefoot doc thing and acts as if viper was completely cleared. I think the barefoot doc, who always kills innocents, could easily be a flavor for a killing role.

FOS BJ

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*kicks thread* Comeon people, we need to nail some scum here!

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I guess I can live with some pressure on Coron.

vote Coron

[VisMaior]

Your welcome.

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He always does that.

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Well, I can speak for myself only. I selectedCoron on the View all posts by... filter, and was less than impressed. Lurking in plain sight is scummy for me.

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On second tought, Lets go back lynching viper. Probably doc protection? Arent you the doc?

unvote, vote viper

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@Vismaior: I was called "partial vig"

You called yourself a doc...

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I still think viper is antitown.

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And I guess if I live tonight, I'll try to kill my biggest suspect

Me? You really should not. Id say If we dont string you up today, you should avoid killing anybody. That is far more protown.

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EBWODP: If you kill, kill someone the town agrees on. If you kill on your own, that just proves that you are an SK, working for your own wincondition.

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Hmhm. Are we in a lylo yet? With 2 NKs thats still too many. cant be a lot of scum left, we were quiet good at killing them so far.

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Hm.Chamber, I dont think the bandwagon on your innocent is going to build, so you might just as well release the info before you get lynched yourself. If you dont, you get my vote.

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Yea. bu t I dont get why you dont want to spill?

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Oh I see. Ok, lose then.

vote chamber

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If he can indeed, we should not lynch him. yet.

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Deadline extension seconded

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hm. Im liking a pooky or chamber lynch better as the yosarian one.

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Also, Pooky, would you mind giving us the "Pooky Guarantee" that you are not recruited?

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I dont get it. Pooky can be confirmed or condemned by tomorrow (except if his partner is recruited as well). Why the hassle to lynch him? He is an outed mason anyway, so he will most liely die sooner or later, if he is not scum. So either we gain a confirmed innocent, or if not, then either he is scum, or he is dead by tomorrow. What is the point of lynching him right now?

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Masonkilling seems to be a fad these days...

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And Vaughn. Shamrock? I need a reread. *sigh*

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Because of the deadline, and only because of the deadline, not because of fear of being lynched. vaughn is inoccent.

e!

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not sure... the second recruiter died on day 5.

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I believe there may be another player in the same situation as me (ie. declined a recruit from a Red Guard) due to something he/she said, but I won't call them out on it at this time.

What was it that gave Bacde away, Shamrock?

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Yea Vaughn is cleared. Did you read what I quoted?

Twomz Mm and abbeygargoyle made it to my suspicion list.

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MM seems like a good lynch. Twomz I have to read up on. Abbey is lurkin its azz off.

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Im pretty sure Shamrock is scum.

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Ill try. Later.

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I think Ill go with the MM. Shamrock might have answers, he is possibly just MIA.

vote MM

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*sigh*

unvote, vote AbbeyGargoyle

Do we have a claim from him yet?

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Hm. So you are Li mason. There should be another Guo mason and a .. Feng-Chen mason? Was Glork not a mason with CES? How come CES is Feng and Glork is Chen?

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unvote

I need a reread.

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only 1 chen dead... who is the other one?

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OK same thing aplies to abbey as to pooky yesterday.

vote MM

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vote extend deadline

Im currently doing a PBPA in an other long long game, but I want to do one for this thread too.

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Good morning Tamuz. Deadline extended till the 7.th

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And by Tamuz, I mean Twomz

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Oh, I misunderstood you.

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Night 1
Ameliaslay - Peixuan Li, Li Family Mason, "People" - All evidence of culture burned from house and killed
SK?

Night 2
thedocsalive - Peasant, "People" - misdiagnosed and given incorrect medication.
viper

edion0 - Wang Guangmei, Vigilante, "People" - tortured and killed by Elite Red Guards.
-missing Yunans

Night 3
the Unwritten - Fangyu Hu, Intellectual, "People" - tortured and killed by Yunan Red Guards.
-missing elites
Night 4
Cogito Ergo Sum - Xiaohong Feng, Feng Family Mason, "People" - tortured and killed by Elite Red Guards.
-missing yunans
Night 5
Glork - Ding Chen, Chen Family Mason, "People" - misdiagnosed and given incorrect medication.
viper again

Thok - Peng Dehuai, "People" - found and executed. ? who could this have been?

Night 6
mystery meat of doom - Private Xuedao Gu, Roleblocker, "People" - found and executed. -red guards?

Tamuz - Weihua Guo, Guo Family Mason, "People" - tortured and killed by Maoists. -Red guards

Night 7
Zindaras - Shanshan Guo, Guo Family Mason, "People" - found and executed. -Red guards?
chamber - Commander Kun Pang, Cop, "People" - tortured and killed by Maoists.-Red guards

N1 only SK kills, both redguards recruit? or viper possibly protect here? I think the former.
N2 viper kills, Elites kill, Yunans recruit?
N3 Yunans kill, elites recruit?
N4 Elites kill again, Yunans recruit?
Day 4 Yunan recryuiter dies
N5 viper kills, One mafiakill. I nbet its Yunan kill, Elite recruit night.
D5 elite recruiter dies.
N6 N7 both guard groups kill. No recruiters left.

If we believe that Bacde and Shamrock were not recruited, there are 1 who have accepted still. (Seeing that Bacde has been recruited twice..)

Shamrock might have accepted too. He still has not answered my quesion about what gave Bacde away. Shamrock, answer please!

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Prod MM please!

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I feel I wont have the resources and willpower to chew trough 60 pages in here too. At least not until the 7.th for sure.

2. TSAGod/Machiavellian-Mafia
4. Twomz
6. Coron
9. BabyJesus

3. Vaughn -cleared
7. feuerdrache/AbbeyGargoyle -cleared
8. Bacde -cleared
5. Shamrock -cleared?

Sooo.. do we have claims in this game yet?

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3 recruit attempts at both sides. 1-1 to Bacde, 1 to Shamrock. 1 to fritzler, there still could be 1-1 (or is it 2-0?) recruits.

I alos believe something is fishy with the Chen thing: Pooky wasnt mason with Glork, CES was, or am I wrong here? MOD clarification please?

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Hm, how peculiar, no masondeaths? And only 1 death t oboot, seems we got rid of one group. I must say Im very confused by this redguard-eliteredguard-yunanredguard-maoists thing. So wich group did MM belong to?

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People still alive need to speak up. Prods perhaps?

A quick recap of yesterday:

So the people left that haven't claimed are BJ, MM, and Coron. And the claims are Me, Bacde, and Shamrock, Townies; and Vaughn and Abbey masons.

4. Twomz -claimed townie
6. Coron
9. BabyJesus

3. Vaughn -cleared
7. feuerdrache/AbbeyGargoyle -cleared
5. Shamrock -cleared?

If we agree that the bottom 3 are cleared, the last remaining scum should be in the top 3 (and me, but Im not it ). Do we push the massclaim trough? Altough the last scum is probably a recruit too...

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NO, Shamrock did not.

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So what about those missing claims? Should we go for them?

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Why dont you two claim? Since you seem to be active and all.

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Bj, any claims?

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More information?

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Ill have been V/LA-d from friday for a week. Dont replace me tough.

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Spell it out for me, Im dense.

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not much to reread here.

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I cant decide if I like BJs behavior.

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Im for the claims too.

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it is obvious if you've been paying attention what my role is.

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Meh. I claim Mason with Glork and CES. BJ should be Guo mason, if Im not mistaken.

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Am I missing the last Guo? Who was Tamuzes other kid? And that role wasnt as apparent as you say it is, BJ.

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OK Zindras said pooky was the 3. mason in the group. Interesting, as Pooky was a chen, and not a Guo. Glork also was a Chen, buit he was mason with me and CES who is a Feng.

So the mason groups are
Glork/CES/Vis
Tamuz/Zindaras/Pooky
Abbey/Vaughn/Amelia

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CEs and Glork were told that if I get recruited I cant talk to them anymore. Strangely, that was new information for me. The last recruiter got lynched day 5. Glork died night 5. The other Masons alive can confirm each other.

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HmHm.

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Or is it.

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Okay, now what. stalling=bad.

1. Vismaior mason
2. BabyJesus doc
3. Vaughn mason
4. Twomz townie
5. feuerdrache/AbbeyGargoyle mason

We can say that the double-masons can confirm eachother (except if we have 2 mafia still). I think BJ or Twomz is the cultist.

vote BJ

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I am mason with Glork and CES. I did say that before. Pay attention

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Eh? Since Vaughn supported Lowell, you must be the last evil one. I think.

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Hm. Ok try to see it from my POV. Lowell and Vaughn have supported each other. So they cant be scum. So its up to you and me. I think its you.

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BOTI haunts me. Can I screw up the same way again? Or do i make the right decision? Stay tuned and see!

vote twomz

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Well, Im not. In fact, I really cant be. Please reconsider. Glork spelled uot my name for me to proove myself. I am mason with him for sure. I am not recruited. IF I would be, that would fall on the one night. twomz had plenty of opportunities to be recruited.

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Let me point you to this post by Glork adressed to Y, who was scum.

So basically what you're saying is, "Twomz is scum but since I'm his scumbuddy, I'm going to give him yet another post to allow him to bail himself out." ;P

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Give me time to dig trough and give you some reasons. Meanwhile,

unvote

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Ok See this: on Day 4 we killed the elite recruiter. Glork died Night 5, so I cant have been recruited by Elite, only Yunan.

Now about Yunan:
On day 8 we killed a Yunan, Ever sicne there is only 1 kill per night, so the last scum should be Elite!!!

Therefore, I cant have been recruited, and am, in fact, innocent!

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vote Twomz

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I never considered you as scum. What are you thinking?

BTW I

prooved

that Im not scum. Period. Go read my post. Then hang your head in shame.

Ok dont really. Its understandable that you make mistakes. But for the future, solid logic>all other sources.

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Lowell, next time, please READ. And, I prooved that Im innocent. just read the post again! Better luck next time.

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Ok seiously, was there a fault in my logic where i prooved myself? Or did you just not read it at all?

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There is this ambivalent feeling, I feel like I want to rant, RANT!, OTOH I want to be nice to a newbie person who just lost me another game. im going to explode!

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I think I need a break from MS.