Neon Genesis Evangelion Mafia (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

You investigate normal though?

JUST night kills?

.... that's interesting and I approve.

[SpyreX]

Maybe I have a condition where the combination of v o e t in the correct order causes me physical pain.
Maybe I'm an odd day treestump even day doublevig divisible by 10 jester.
Maybe I'm afraid to voet anyone because it will inevitably lead to the downfall of western civilization.

On a realer note.

Maybe its nice to see some town on page 1 and that makes me happy.

[SpyreX]

drewoftherushes is voting someone, just not in that post. GreyICE at least did something to help the town in his post. Look at SpyreX's two posts and tell me how they were anything but complete fluff.

The volume of wrong in this is greater than the number of words. That's a hard thing to do and you should commend yourself.

1.) Your justification of your vote is such a blatant and beautiful strengthening after the fact that I can't even comprehend.
2.) To events that actually could have happened before your vote, what in there is fluff. I mean, maaybe, maaaybe the angle of "Look he believes it because GI is town and he is scum and andn adnad and and" could have been genuine but fluff? My lord.
3.) Yea call out number two as fluff because it is mostly fluff and I said so myself kudos.

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So @CJ et al:

Here's the issue I'm bashing my head against:

GI claiming an interesting miller variant: Good
Kast asking for some fairly relevant clarifiaction: Good
GI's response to Kast: Whaaat?
Kast's response to GI: Whaaaat?

Now I'm lord of the scum teaparty paranoia but I can't see any avenue FROM THAT that isn't town/town feelings fight 2011. Scum on scum makes no sense and scum on town either way doesn't make a lot of sense.

That aside:

I'd be interested in hearing more about this - from Amrun, mind you, I'm an old fan of "let the player answer before you speculate on their motives". Cult speculation is a BAD thing, townies shouldn't do it without a good reason (flipped cultist, claimed role that deals with cult, etc.).

This is absolutely true and I do actually want that explained from the horses mouth. I'm pretty sure via shenanigans I know whats up but.

P-Edit: Aaaand there it is. Ok.

[SpyreX]

Here's a novel idea lets not start this crap now.

Sans CJ the others that are hmmmin' (I'm lookin at you Pom) have my dander up far more than Amrun about this.

[SpyreX]

I swear to God the next reference to A GAME THAT ISNT THIS ONE is getting lynched.

Come on now.

[SpyreX]

Seee these posts?

Those are proving the point. Its insidious and like another type of speculation that shall not be named.

@Tar:

You can always meta its ok because you know how to use it right and are town (shh)

What I was trying to get at with GI:

I dig that its sarcastic. What I don't get is WHY any sarcastic response to fairly valid questions (like mine which haven't been answered).

[SpyreX]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3146851

Ever have one of those posts you absolutely can't quantify WHY but it just reeks scummy?

Yea, this is one of those posts. I look at it and I gnash at the screen and I cant even begin to explain it.

[SpyreX]

@Spyrex-
I'd like more posts from you. A bit more sanity in this game would be great. If you're sane town, that would be even better.

I ended up gone waaay longer than I thought today.

You'll get real input from me tomorrow night but for now: CJ is town fo sho, you're probably town and, I know this is going to sting you, GI is probably town. Don't let a clash of styles turn into a boxing match that lets sliders slide along.

On that note don't let me forget a.) that post I posted about because it STILL bugs me and b.) a parse of the actives versus the non. Even at this point there should be some tidbits.

I'm REALLY trying not to neglect this game because early D1 in a large is normally a headache for me so keep on the the straight and narrow.

[SpyreX]

I'm preemptively claiming this hammer. Know it will be struck with extreme prejudice.

When you vote you have to think about what purpose the wagon will serve. Will a wagon on Kast, or a wagon on Stevie serve more purpose? In this case, a wagon on Stevie will accomplish very little; he's not going to significantly change his posting style because he's already trying to defend himself. A wagon on Kast will either force Kast to contribute to scumhunting as town or force him out of his comfort zone as scum.

That's exactly what we should be doing this early in the game, trying to find which wagon will be most useful. For me, if I find two people scummy, if one person is already defending themselves and trying to appear like they are scumhunting while the other is doing absolutely nothing, I'm going to suggest we wagon the one doing absolutely nothing. We can come back to Stevie later.

If stewie flips scum go ahead and put a bullet here tonight so tomorrow can be fun and not the power wagon its going to be otherwise.

[SpyreX]

I'm also not voting GreyIce really because of his claim - he would indeed have to be an incredibly ballsy scum to come out with that day one. I'm voting him because his behavior since that claim has been extremely suspect.

You just literally said you believe the claim and that scum wouldn't do it but then said you're voting him because hes scummy.

I think my face melted off

[SpyreX]

Ok who's up to funny business?

Thats all I'm going to say until a chunk of people have chimed in because SOMETHING just happened to me and I'm not a fan.

[SpyreX]

I got a PM about funny business.

Now there is funny business in that VC.

Not amused.

Time for sleep.

[SpyreX]

Damn with the votecount being edited my shower-induced paranoia may not be true.

I'll talk about it more after but I'm fully expecting no one to chime in.

Lets just say if Stewie gets lynched and I die instead pay attention.

[SpyreX]

I'm at work still (its gonna be a looong night) but I'm watching and haven't seen anyone chime in.

With the votecount being fixed and sleeping my paranoia has lessened some.

Do not hammer until I can give more details / theories on what happened.

[SpyreX]

Alrighty time to get back in the saddle after the crazy day.

First things first:

Enough people have posted that I've got no problem outing the whole deal:

Right before that VC, I got a PM saying something was intruding into my mind. Combine that with the paranoia of the VC error AND being tired and you get farther fetched ideas roaming around like it being a placement swap.

As it sits, I'm thinking that was a scum rolecop or something of that nature. I'd be flabbergasted if it was a town action.

I want this wagon to go through. Like I said I've claimed hammertime and dont think I'm gonna him and haw or wait for a claim for it.

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On the other side and I'll quantify (or try where applicable) some of these reads but on the short list: ace, zel1nk, LC.

On the more awesome list: CJ, GI, Amrun, Kast, Tajo

[SpyreX]

56. SX's 219 seems...I mean, it wouldn't make sense for scum to just be able to redirect whole lynches...unless he's thinking it's linked SPECIFICALLY to Stevie.

You crazyface lets delve into a little meta for a second you FIRSTHAND should know that that paranoia isn't absolutely unfounded sheesh.

All in all though A++ would read again (and I did actually read it).

And I'm reaaaallly not lurking as much as covered in bees all the time; however, all that's done is make it so I can't give my case(s) yet but that is moot because I'm hammering Stewie and then he's flipping scum and ace is getting a bullet in the dome tonight and also flipping scum.

[SpyreX]

@spyrex please show me some respect and don't lynch me before i claim. I will claim.

You're obviously VERY aware of the circumstances right now and I'm not one to teehee.

Assume my vote is already there. You're at L-1.

[SpyreX]

Siiighh. That phraseology oozes a specific role that kind of makes sense with the claim.

I'm willing to give it a tiny bit but I guarantee I know this will end inevitably with a rope.

My gut (and its JUST gut) says one of the main 3 characters are going to be a fakeclaim but we'll see.

@tajo:

On the other side and I'll quantify (or try where applicable) some of these reads but on the short list: ace, zel1nk, LC.

Nocmen wouldn't be a bad vig at this point.

I'd prefer ace to LC buttttt I was thinking ace far more as a defender of scum-stewie the mechapowerrole. It could be just running shield for town-stewie though.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX: Why aren't you reading the thread? There's two things here that make no sense if you've been reading the thread.

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*notes "mechapowerrole* for personal reference*

Lemme check our notes. There's about 5-6 players who are pinging scumdar and I have no idea which to go after (especially since Ludi reads Ace 418 as VI rather than scum).

- Tar

Admittedly I skimmed from being gone quite a bit but I don't think I missed anything that huge?

I saw stewies claim and the way he claimed it AND the name he claimed makes me think of a very specific role.

What parts are the issue in case I DID miss something or worded something poorly, which could very well be.

[SpyreX]

Ace-Stevie was supposed to be, but that's because I was mixing up Amrun and Ace for some reason. Doh. (Note to self: If mechs are roles - and that's an if there - then does Stevie know something about this?)

Other involves your poor choice in vigging targets.

Thats a gut call mostly from being 'complacent' with the claim and it itching me all the wrong ways.

Glad to know I'm not absolutely crazy though and I'm sharing some through the internet with you.

[SpyreX]

Then he goes after me for "Sheeping" my vote on Stevie, but like lobster, suspects stevie, but doesn't vote for him.

Says that stevie "needs" to be lynched, but votes me?

Go ahead and elucidate both of these, tia. Cite references.

[SpyreX]

Hmmm ok I feel better about you no vigs would be good.

Here's the thing though:

The last post? It only makes sense for scum-ace in the two scenarios I talked about before - scum-stewie the PR needing to live or white knighting the hell out of a mislynch for cred.

I can't see white knighting this early in a large.

[SpyreX]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3165345

That post? Thats another one of those baaad posts of death.

Why not? Maybe site meta changed during a year's break, but last I checked "don't end the day" tended to be a scum argument. Had a lot to do with extra discussion after a lynch was decided being unproductive and confusing town.

Its not just the "dont end the day" its the fascination with the stevie wagon. I mean saying he deserves to get lynched in conjunction with everything else going on AND the lol reactions AND lol pressure good gravy.

Malth isn't a bad lynch and on paper it looks really good. My gut just churns over some of the other stuff but I see it.

Hey GI: <3

[SpyreX]

I dig.

[SpyreX]

I think my block vote goes for LC under the logic of adding Tajo in the event of a scum flip.

Mind you I think he's town but no way is this a bus.

[SpyreX]

Choo chooo

Unvote, Vote: LC

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, what do you mean tajo is scum if LC is if it's not bussing? Have I misunderstood?

Yep.

I meant adding Tajo to the awesome bloc of awesome if LC flips scum hands down guaranteed. As an aside, I personally think Tajo is town++ regardless.

[SpyreX]

Seriously I also want to turn this back around

[SpyreX]

You are damning yourself with your mouth.

I must be tired because I laughed outloud at this.

Seriously I dont even

[SpyreX]

Did Stewie ever express REAL interest in GI being scum before the push from GI on Stewie?

Is it bad part of me would love to see drew lynched because a scum flip there would cement liquid hot magma death?

How can you be so confident that many players in D1 are town? Are you just that good?

At worst 1 scum. Highly probable 0 scum.

Bank it.

[SpyreX]

It's funny because that's exactly what I said Spy.

I saw you say at worst 1 (which is true)

Did you really say bank it if so awesssomeee

[SpyreX]

Always say bank it it feels goood for some reason.

And I want to get this straight: Stevie, lord of claim stalling, wants the claim at L-2 for butterflies?

[SpyreX]

I was saying "town" because they were. I droppe it because I realized the language was another assertion of their ridiculous confidence.

I wasn't accusing you of being scum, ghost. I was illustrating a point, actually: when players know there's a voting bloc, they start acting differently, because six people voting together is a powerful and dangerous weapon.

Anyway, no need to talk about it anymore because they're not voting together.

I just want everyone to know that doubting them isn't illegal.

Confidence. Ridiculous.

Herein is issued a challleeenge.

Lets do this. CJ, you swing the sword today. Lets really show them a powerful and dangerous weapon.

[SpyreX]

@SpyreX: what do you think of Amrun and an Amrun wagon?

I'm very ambivalent towards Amrun.

Which means an Amrun wagon is okkk but

[SpyreX]

If a group of players all agree on a case and all decide to vote on that case; that's great. When a group of players decides to vote on a case, irresepective of it's merits and simply do it because the most vocal players are also doing it; we're just letting scum blend in and avoid responsibility.

1.) Thats not happening.
2.) Even if it did having town reads at this point that I'm waay more confident about then scum reads I will happily oblidge slicing through the fires of hell because, hypothetically, if only the town bloc remained I'm pretty sure the game would be over.

That was some terrible quote stripping.

[SpyreX]

Are scum in the "bloc" yes no?

I guess if you're specifically calling LLD out for not in-depth explaining town reads sure I'll give you that.

I misread the walls and thought it was about both sides (town and scum reads) and sheeping. Because the important parts have been explained.

[SpyreX]

I'd guess scum exist within the bloc in the same ratio that they exist in any randomly selected sample of players.

Well then, good to see there's no more talk on this front.

I seriously think you are town stoking the flames that will end only a single way if you keep at it.

[SpyreX]

ITT: Stewie throws down a bus vote.

Guys I'm still fairly confident in Kast town. Dont bite.

[SpyreX]

Its still a really bad call but I'm not going to RAGE against it.

[SpyreX]

I think you have a good case against Kast GI...considering nobody is voting with me against ace (who i still maintain is the most scummy person from D1) I will unvote, vote: Kast

Again, more words when I get home but aside from this being bad on its own EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING says the ace vote is a bus.

REMEMBER THIS I BEG THEE

[SpyreX]

I want to get home and REALLY read that.

If I'm wrong egg on my face but the rapidity and my gut feel on Kast is still town. I haven't went in-depth on that yet though.

[SpyreX]

See this guys?

THIS exemplifies what I expected to happen. Look at whats going on here.

[SpyreX]

Its hot and that makes me cranky.

I agree that today needs to end.

I'd like to see the claim but, like I said, this is exactly what I predicted. I'll hammer this BUT don't think for a second I'm all up on scum found for sure.

[SpyreX]

Why in the hell is this thread so dead?

[SpyreX]

I still shake my head about this but whatever it takes.

Unvote, Vote: Kast

[SpyreX]

By my count, Kast is still at L-1. Comments on that given your early breadcrumbs, SpyreX?

Breadcrumbs?

I fail to see how this reaction is a bad thing - the possibility of such a reaction was the secondary reason behind my vote.

Which is all well and good but:

Kast (9) - Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE, Antifinity, Iecerint, GhostWriter,

StevieT92

, LobsterCatapult, populartajo,

ace5993

See those, together? That's the teaparty. They play slappywags but when the chips are down look which way it goes.

[SpyreX]

Nah nothing besides changing things up a bit. I'll say any secret powers I may possess have nothing to do with being a hammerer or voting mechanics.

[SpyreX]

I would be interested to hear a claim, if only because he seems liable to give more information than necessary (ie, revealing his belief in other scum factions). I'd unvote, but it seems no one is eager is to hammer.

The thing here is this pretty clearly reads like this is a slam dunk deal.

But the vote itself and subsequent posts sure don't make that look like the case one bit.

Bullets wouldn't be bad if they visited this cranium.

[SpyreX]

....

I may have been wrong about ZeL1nk.

I approve of this thought process quite a bit.

[SpyreX]

I think its time to make the ball roll.

I don't want a flurry of claims UNLESS its going to be massclaims and as it sits with the doc-dance already on the juiced or the juicer we're in a good spot to let that wait (although there is benefit in doing it earlier than normal.)

My opinion is malth claims and, literally, its malth or stewie for death.

If you have a bullet Ace is a good shot either way BUT if stewie is scum it damn well better be there.

[SpyreX]

Ok.

Unless the scumteam is walking death we're ALREADY teetering on the edge of teaparty in the claims.

And if there is one gee golly gosh who could it be?

Unvote, Vote: Stewie

[SpyreX]

Come on now his is the "easiest" to confirm.

We give him a nice little list and those die.

If more than than die later we know.

If those don't die we know.

And scum claiming vig? Wooooo nelly.

[SpyreX]

I guess let me correct:

We give you a nice little list (3 names or so) and ONE of those die.

If they don't die, you die.

If later++ unexplained kills come up, you die.

I mean you cant even claim roleblocked or any chicanery to stop this.

Action immune? Nothing's stopping your kill.

[SpyreX]

Wellllll pretty sure some players that need to die (ACE) wont be getting docced so its all good in the hood.

[SpyreX]

CJ & LLD:

Work with me here. Don't get stuck on FLAVORRR look at mechanics and risk/reward here.

He could have literally claimed SK and I would have been in favor of giving him a bit.

[SpyreX]

If you're planning on killing Stevie why not let us get squeeze his juice.

There's literally ONE claim he'd have that'd make me hesitate on him being the liar in PR Gate

[SpyreX]

Untargetable (bulletproof) vig doesn't ring ANY bells SpyreX?

I'm tired help me out here.

Seriously though what scum goes SUP I AM VIG unless there's waaacky mechanics at play?

[SpyreX]

Ohh meta how awesome you are.

And flavor meta too. Mmmm

I'm not arguing in depth but good lord I'll wear the egg on my face if I'm wrong but when I'm not its gonna be "ohh welp down a vig BUT OHH MAN IT WAS SO CRYSTAL CLEAR"

@Zel:

What does me being mindballed (hint: this was when Stewie was in full swing) and Kast saying there is angels (duh) have even a pretend whit to do with there being a vig?

[SpyreX]

And dont even get me started on "Ohh look its a fakeclaim! That means...the mod....messed up the targets flavor"

[SpyreX]

Well DUH he could be a SK.

And, like I said, he could have flat claimed that and I still wouldn't want him dead right now.

[SpyreX]

FFFAAA

HULK SMASH

Unvote, Vote: malth

[SpyreX]

Misato is a dead fakeclaim MY SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF.

Lets go ahead and continue the party.

If you got your daycop and you waste it on me I swear to all that is holy.

'Rei' gets to claim today.

[SpyreX]

Ok I may be crazy but I thought SOMEWHERE this game said no cult, etc.

[SpyreX]

At least tajo is town.

No seriously before we embark on a grand crusade someone help me figure out if I'm insane or not. I swore this game had a no aligment change mechanic.

[SpyreX]

Nope I checked and I'm retarded. It said it may have bastard elements.

Siighhhh

[SpyreX]

My deal is it seems too handed to us. Would the mod REALLY put a shining light on that in flavor?

I'm not sure if a team magi-claim makes sense today.

[SpyreX]

Good lord I'm not sure how much harder LLD can beat this over your head without being obviously obvious about this.

I want Stewie to claim first.
I'm very, VERY irritated that either we have no vig or they decided to be a sissy.

[SpyreX]

Seriously since I have faith in you I will bite the bullet if it means you lynch Stewie.

Since MAYBE I could have bought it was going to happen - but he said it did. And it sure as hell hasn't.

[SpyreX]

Seriously though scum ploy or town telling the truth I'm betting on town winning and hells no.

Unvote, Vote: SpyreX

[SpyreX]

I had the lyrics all ready for Kom Susser Tod since it was sooo fitting but then had an epiphany.

Stewie: Your message had nothing to do with your role right?

Unvote

Scum have a message sender. Hand it to someone who was obviously claiming bulletproof of some sort and WHAMMO get a twofer because normally I'd eat death to prove this.

[SpyreX]

I'm running off the assumption that scum, like I did, smelled "I AM BULLETPROOF" all over that terrible claim yesterday.

Which isn't that far off the mark.

[SpyreX]

If it comes to that I'm seriously, seriously paranoid that he's gonna flip town and then I'm going to get converted AND THEN die.

I believe town. I believe in you. Don't let them take me.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hell yes

Double busted up ins.

Unvote, Vote SpyreX

[SpyreX]

We've had TWO parties now say I'm scum chuckles.

I'm NOT scum at the moment so dying is the right answer.

Although props for playing this up.

[SpyreX]

All I know is, flat out, I am not scum at this point which means you've got liars up ins. So, I want this to happen BEFORE infect herpes or whatever takes hold and you go oHH SEE

[SpyreX]

I'm not a Magi. I'm a VT *gasp*.

Kozo Fuyutsuki to be precise

[SpyreX]

Just so we're clear:

I had demons yesterday via PM.
Flavor says Magi's are infected.
Stewie says I'm angel.
CJ says I'm an angel.

This is not true. HOwever, believing that scum would go whole hog is nuts.

Lynching a mason on my word is nuts.

So, lynch me I flip town party time.

[SpyreX]

Whatever floats your boat.

No matter how you want to cut it when I flip VT there's not going to be any room to backpedal out of it. Stewie MAYBE but not you.

[SpyreX]

Additionally, before the day ends it MAY really be worth the other Magi coming out - if this was all a clever ruse on Tar's part it gets exposed OR if Tar's been scumm'd the other two will be known to scum.

Of course, double investigate blah blah.

[SpyreX]

Ohh the wounds and how they come out "Ohh look his play went down blah blah"

I said slappy wasn't going to be scum and *gasp* he wasn't. I clearly said he could be an SK and leaving him alive on a leash would have been better.

And now literally everything I say is going to be hogwashed until I am dead.

SO, lets move this along so you can get to the real party tomorrow.

The original list of town WAS town. CJ probably converted. GI trying really hard to not be town which makes me sad.

Nocmen? Town.
LC? Town now.
Tajo? Suuuper Town.

If bullets needed a home Pom and Starbuck aren't bad. Ace is still better. Stewie probably SHOULDNT die tonight to try and figure out what the hell happened today tomorrow.

Smart scum would have setup Kast. Don't forget that.

[SpyreX]

What?

WHAT?

I could be infected and that could be what spawned all this.

However, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I am town and if I'm going to die I want to die AS TOWN and a.) let this get cleared out and b.) be town because I think we can win this.

[SpyreX]

Because if it ends up Kise flips Magi-Scummaker then you know who's done gonna be targetted?

Or, if you go Magi claim and no one claims welp.

[SpyreX]

If Kast IS a Magi-Scummaker the scum WILL KNOW via CJ who they are come on now.

[SpyreX]

Depends on whether CJ has private talk.

There is no scenario where CJ-scum can not communicate to the other scum how things sit short of a dayvig that isn't in play that kills him dead on the spot.

[SpyreX]

Well played GI. I mean no disrespect, but maaan I wish all the games were this GI.

All in all considering the shenanigans I felt like I was on the right track and watching scum just eat it over and over was awesome. Good game all.