Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[populartajo]

dgb

[populartajo]

DGB, can you stop trying to kill yourself as town? I mean, as much as your suicide bombing tactics are enjoyed, (hint: they aren't) I would like to keep my town reads alive thank you.

why do you think this is DGBtown?

[populartajo]

Magister Ludi has pretty much outed himself as scum anyway.

On Saturday or Sunday there is a small chance of coherence in the DGB mood forecast.

I dont get how Luid outed himself as scum??

[Fritzler]

DGB, can you stop trying to kill yourself as town? I mean, as much as your suicide bombing tactics are enjoyed, (hint: they aren't) I would like to keep my town reads alive thank you.

why do you think this is DGBtown?

While I think it is stupid for her to do this as town, if she did this as cult she would belong on a short bus.

[Herodotus]

If DGb is lynched today, it won't be because townies are too willing to accept what the confirmed scum say.
It will be because her ego is crowding out the scumhunting.
Unless someone has an actual case against her, we should ignore this.

The following six people should each state which of them are most likely to have been recruited:
Bvoight, Fritzler, Flameaxe, Ooba, Porochaz, Populartajo

[Battousai]

Kinetic has distracted us! Let's go back to what we were talking about....


ThAd 1462- I stand by that pardon gambit. Not only did it help me get a decent read on a player (NS), but I don't see how harmful it is since the wagon on xvart was based on out of game characteristics of the player and not by what xvart did in this game. And to the second point, I did not want a no lynch yesterday. Rather I wanted everyone to be voting someone they actually thought was scum. There is a difference between that and trying to get a no lynch.

Andrius, you awake yet? The day has started.

Katsuki- I recall you stating you wanted us to lynch quickly in order to use the bankable deadlines. Tell me how your active lurking is helping accomplish that.

[Yosarian2]

If DGb is lynched today, it won't be because townies are too willing to accept what the confirmed scum say.
It will be because her ego is crowding out the scumhunting.
Unless someone has an actual case against her, we should ignore this.

General thoughts on DGB:

I am 99% sure she was town yesterday.

She'd be one of the most desirable scum recruitment targets last night, since everyone thought she was town yesterday.

That being said, I have only seen her kamakazi and demand to be lynched as town before. She probably could do it as scum, but I haven't seen it happen.

The sudden change of behavior from yesterday to today (going from being opposed to my lynch at the end of the day yesterday to voting me at the start of the day today, for example) can be a sign of someone who's been recruited; sudden changes in behavior is one of the tells I'm looking for. All in all, though, I think we've got more likely suspects then her.

[bvoigt]

DGB has a point about Magister Ludi, but I still want a Cobbler lynch. Reminder: when he claimed unrecruitable, I asked for the flavor name (not flavor reason). This would be a word or phrase in bold, and would not indicate any other powers. He refused. This makes me believe that he's lying about his role. What do you guys think?

That un-recruitable thing is a fakeclaim, come on.

Exactly.

The following six people should each state which of them are most likely to have been recruited:
Bvoight, Fritzler, Flameaxe, Ooba, Porochaz, Populartajo

Do you mean from a cult perspective, or based on their play so far today?

[Kinetic]

Congrats DGB, you've successfully tricked the town into believing you.

Town, get ready for gloating from DGB late game.

Point of Order: I never claimed DGB was part of the location grouping yesterday, I believe her plan was to push that idea TODAY since her ability can't be used until this night.

[Porochaz]

I did not believe she was town yesterday at the end of the day.

[Tanarin]

I am really not liking how many opportunistic votes have gone on DGB. I would like to hear some reasons out of ooba and tajo as to why they think she is scum. And none of this secret scum tell BS.

@bvoigt: I agree, cobbler claiming unrecruitable is still not sitting well at all on me.

[populartajo]

HOW IS VOTING FOR HERSELF REMOTELY PROTOWN WHEN THERE ARE TWO CULT LEADERS ALIVE AND A WRONG LYNCH HURTS THE TOWN LIKE FUCK?

THIS SELFVOTE STUFF IS MORE LIKELY SOME SORT OF SCUMGAMBIT TRYING TO APPEAL TO EMOTION TO NOOBS WHILE THE OTHER SCUMZ TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

LIKE YOU.

[Flameaxe]

Vote: Cobble

. Nothing has changed regarding this vote from yesterday other than his ThAd "case". Mostly as a place to put my ideas in writing, here's where I'm sitting with cobble:

• His points against ThAd are horrifically weak and impossible to defend against. Using points like "he must have ulterior motives with the lists" and "he's trying TOO hard to be friendly" just sound stupid when you give it any thought. If we're calling Thad scummy for using the lists, then we might as well call the entire playerlist scummy for going along with it, yourself included. List or no list, it took ten votes to get a lynch out of it, and ten votes were given, and you seemed just fine to go along with it (the vote) yesterday. As for impossible to defend, there really isn't any way to make a reply to your "case" without saying anything along the lines of "nuh-uh!". I've generally found in situations like that, the case is pretty wishy-washy as it is. So yes, I think your case is wishy-washy at best.
  
• All this teamster meeting business is a massive waste of time, not only to the teamsters, but to everyone who has to read through it. 47 says that role is not the same as job, and I don't really see how meeting at a place on the map at night would do anything to make all the teamsters do anything special. Even if it did, you didn't exactly commit all that much to the meeting other than a few throwaway comments. When day two opened, you displayed some care or concern about the fact that the meeting didn't happen, only to turn around to say you didn't care once it became apparent that none of the other teamsters cared at all about the meeting. Like I said, this was, and still is, a waste of time, and has been from the start.
  
• 182, 184, and 190 are all terrible, terrible posts that reek of nothing but shameless rolefishing. Not to mention they all go back to the idea posted by Flay in 47 that job and role are different, which leads to the thought that those of the same roles do not have the same roles.
  
• 297 might be worse than all three of the above. The claim itself from cobble is NOT what should be seen as scummy. The fact that despite claiming an integral part of the role, he refuses to disclose information that would support his claim (aka: flavor). I fail to see any reason why explaining the flavor behind your unrecruitable-ness would do anything to hint too much at your role.
  
• Unrelated note: What was stopping any non-teamsters from joining the meeting? Wouldn't that have some sort of impact on the meeting if it happened?

I'll add to this as I think of shit.

Regarding DGB: I'm torn. As with Yos, I've seen this DGB before as town. I'm also wary to follow this past experience and claim she is still town here. As much as I see her doing this as town, I can also see her doing it as town, so it's a nulltell as of now in my eyes. I also think Tan's point in 1485 is a decent one.

[DrippingGoofball]

MAGISTER LUDI IS A BIG SACK OF FILTHY CULT

[populartajo]

I THINK ML IS TOWN

WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM DGB?

[DrippingGoofball]

Are you reading???????

MAGISTER LUDI IS CULT

But we're not lynching cult today, unless the confirmed cult recruiters say it's OK.

[populartajo]

I RAELLY DONT WANT TO PLAY GUESS WHAT DGB IS DOING SO ILL JUST ASK GLADLY YOUNG LADY

WHY ML IS CULT?

[DrippingGoofball]

We already know the cult recruiters aren't trying to help town, only trying to further their own ends. (I'm not even basing my vote off Kinetics comment, and I dont think anyone but yourself on your wagon is)

We dont need town players to die for us to realize the cult recruiters are playing to their win condition.

Self-voting as town is just horrible. With double cult. And as a potential 'power role'.

I can only consider you cult.

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[populartajo]

WELL THIS ONLY MAKES ME EVEN MORE SURE OF MY VOTE

BECAUSE HE CLEARLY SAYS THAT SINCE SELFVOTING AS TOWN IS JUST HORRIBLE, HE CAN ONLY CONSIDER YOU CULT.

SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAID IN MY 1486

[DrippingGoofball]

Jesus tajo, you've been playing this game for 4 years. Don't disappoint me now. I put you on a pedestal. Don't be thinking like a n0ob on his third post. Don't be cult.

[populartajo]

THATS A PERFECTLY VALID STANCE

"SELFVOTING AS TOWN IS HORRIBLE (SPECIALLY WITH DOUBLE CULT), THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM" HYPOTHETICAL IS A TOTALLY REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO MAKE.

DONT PLAY WITH MY HEART

[Bunnylover]

Vote: ML

[DrippingGoofball]

THATS A PERFECTLY VALID STANCE

"SELFVOTING AS TOWN IS HORRIBLE (SPECIALLY WITH DOUBLE CULT), THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM" HYPOTHETICAL IS A TOTALLY REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO MAKE.

DONT PLAY WITH MY HEART

Come on tajo

Let's take this as a teaching moment, NoOb.

Let's suppose for a moment that I'm cult.

For 10 points, please explain how this helps my wincon.

And if you vote Ludi after that you won't be held back to do second grade again.

Example #1:

VOTE: Magister Ludi

You can cut and paste this code in your next post:

Code: Select all

[vote]Magister Ludi[/vote]

[Cobblerfone]

297 might be worse than all three of the above. The claim itself from cobble is NOT what should be seen as scummy. The fact that despite claiming an integral part of the role, he refuses to disclose information that would support his claim (aka: flavor). I fail to see any reason why explaining the flavor behind your unrecruitable-ness would do anything to hint too much at your role.

Could it be because my unrecruitableness is unsure and is not a power unto itself? Doesn't help that apparently knowing the finer details of its workings are supposed to be vague. I even asked how wording in the visiting power affected it and I'm still not allowed to know. But I guess it's supposed to be fun to discover it through trial and error. I don't know.

Unrelated note: What was stopping any non-teamsters from joining the meeting? Wouldn't that have some sort of impact on the meeting if it happened?

It was to see if a little theory or two of mine were correct. Now both will remain unconfirmed. Unfortunately.

[DrippingGoofball]

You may be cult too tajo, you may.

While it's good to sacrifice me to the altar of Stopping-Players-From-Discussing-With-Scum, to vote me because I self-voted is super-dooper scumzorz.