Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Fritzler]

The following six people should each state which of them are most likely to have been recruited:
Bvoight, Fritzler, Flameaxe, Ooba, Porochaz, Populartajo

I die too often, flameaxe flakes too often, ooba and bvoight suck too much, so I am going with porochaz and populartajo.

[xvart]

DGB has (or had) an ability that allowed her to check the alignment of everyone at a location. It wouldn't tell her WHO was what, but it would tell her how many of X were there. It can ONLY be used on even nights though, hence, why she couldn't begin to reveal the plan until today.

I'm quoting Kinetic but I'm talking to everyone else. The only way I can see the plan DGB laid out as fitting in with her role is to take the top of the numbered list and ask them to move to a certain location tonight. I don't see the problem here of not having the scumputer or whatever since we can still ask people to go to a location. I would say the vig list I put forward yesterday or Herodutus' list.

FTR, MY REASON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KINETIC

SECRET SCUMTELL FROM DGB

Secret scumtells mean nothing to me.

NO - because I never discussed krap about meetings anywhere. More appalling I completely forgot that this game had a map and location until I got a PM from Flay telling me it was now too late. He asked me what action I would have taken and I gave the name of a player. I didn't even remember I had a role - it is on the lame side. He said you have to pick a

place

not a player. Go WIFOM this now. Have fun.

This is what concerns me is that this story doesn't add up. When did Flay send you a pm and why?

That un-recruitable thing is a fakeclaim, come on.

Then why didn't you say this yesterday?

UNVOTE:

[bvoigt]

@Cobbler: What do you mean, your "unrecruitableness is unsure"?

[Seraphim]

don't worry kids, I'll be here in the morning with more fun information and shit.

[Flameaxe]

@Cobble: Constantly softclaiming doesn't help us at all. In fact, I'd say it hurts us. There is no in-between to claiming.

[Herodotus]

General thoughts on DGB:

I am 99% sure she was town yesterday.

She'd be one of the most desirable scum recruitment targets last night, since everyone thought she was town yesterday.

That being said, I have only seen her kamakazi and demand to be lynched as town before. She probably could do it as scum, but I haven't seen it happen.

The sudden change of behavior from yesterday to today (going from being opposed to my lynch at the end of the day yesterday to voting me at the start of the day today, for example) can be a sign of someone who's been recruited; sudden changes in behavior is one of the tells I'm looking for. All in all, though, I think we've got more likely suspects then her.

As scum in Pick Your Poison, she did a reaction-gambit-fakeclaim and later intentionally got herself lynched to protect her roleblocker partner, so it's not impossible that she would do what she's doing as scum. But I think she would only do it if in her mind it benefited her team, and I don't see how this would do that. Unless it's just reverse psychology/AtE, but that explanation feels too simplistic.

Do you mean from a cult perspective, or based on their play so far today?

Both, I suppose.

@xvart: I think you got the quote tags wrong in 1502. It's confusing. Also, your unvote; was that supposed to be a vote? Who did you think you were voting?

[Herodotus]

Oh, I'm taking bvoigt off the list; it's down to:
Flameaxe
Fritzler
Ooba
Porochaz
Populartajo

I wasn't aware of Fritzler dying often. Does that mean you're generally killed by the scum? Lynched? Other?

[Fritzler]

Most likely night 1 kill 2006 what up?

[xvart]

DGB has (or had) an ability that allowed her to check the alignment of everyone at a location. It wouldn't tell her WHO was what, but it would tell her how many of X were there. It can ONLY be used on even nights though, hence, why she couldn't begin to reveal the plan until today.

I'm quoting Kinetic but I'm talking to everyone else. The only way I can see the plan DGB laid out as fitting in with her role is to take the top of the numbered list and ask them to move to a certain location tonight. I don't see the problem here of not having the scumputer or whatever since we can still ask people to go to a location. I would say the vig list I put forward yesterday or Herodutus' list.

FTR, MY REASON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KINETIC

SECRET SCUMTELL FROM DGB

Secret scumtells mean nothing to me.

NO - because I never discussed krap about meetings anywhere. More appalling I completely forgot that this game had a map and location until I got a PM from Flay telling me it was now too late. He asked me what action I would have taken and I gave the name of a player. I didn't even remember I had a role - it is on the lame side. He said you have to pick a

place

not a player. Go WIFOM this now. Have fun.

This is what concerns me is that this story doesn't add up. When did Flay send you a pm and why?

That un-recruitable thing is a fakeclaim, come on.

Then why didn't you say this yesterday?

[xvart]

Hell, Kinetic could have tried to recruit DGB last night and failed for one reason or another (ABR recruit already?).

[Herodotus]

Most likely night 1 kill 2006 what up?

Ok, but here it seems that the mafia aren't killing, unless they killed dry-fit, or were both roleblocked. So I don't think that would be a factor when the mafia are deciding whether to recruit you or not.

[Yosarian2]

You being targeted by the scum a lot isn't actually an argument in favor of you being town in this setup, fritzler.

[Fritzler]

First game back after a year and a half sabbatical (called Afghanistan), N1 vig. Holler.

[springlullaby]

@ABR

Why would you be so rude and not try to recruit DGB? She is feeding you croissants!

Guys, how plausible do you think it is that the whole DGB/Kinetic thing is a gambit on their part as cult together?

[xvart]

Guys, how plausible do you think it is that the whole DGB/Kinetic thing is a gambit on their part as cult together?

Not at all. No benefit at this game stage, too much risk.

[ThAdmiral]

SECRET SCUMTELL FROM DGB

SRSLY?

Magister Ludi has pretty much outed himself as scum anyway.

I've seen what you are referring to, and he hasn't really.

ThAd 1462- I stand by that pardon gambit. Not only did it help me get a decent read on a player (NS), but I don't see how harmful it is since the wagon on xvart was based on out of game characteristics of the player and not by what xvart did in this game. And to the second point, I did not want a no lynch yesterday. Rather I wanted everyone to be voting someone they actually thought was scum. There is a difference between that and trying to get a no lynch.

Yeah, on reflection you actually look fairly ok yesterday. I still have you as a reasonably good chance of being a recruit given that you fit the description for a night 0 recruit, and you got so little heat yesterday you would also be a good night 1 recruit. For now though...

unvote

Do you understand, however, that while it would be ideal if everyone could always vote only the person who is their top scumpick, sometimes it is better for the town as a whole if people don't do this?

All in all, though, I think we've got more likely suspects then her.

Care to share a few of these?

I did not believe she was town yesterday at the end of the day.

Really? Because all I remember from yesterday was:

vote DGB

derailing the lead wagon she pushed tirelessly from the start of the game. GO GO SPEEDLYNCH!

Which didn't seem all that serious, and was immediately backed up with this:

Meh DGB, lets count it as a point against you and will be scrutinising you carefully tomorrow.

unvote vote yos

THIS SELFVOTE STUFF IS MORE LIKELY SOME SORT OF SCUMGAMBIT TRYING TO APPEAL TO EMOTION TO NOOBS WHILE THE OTHER SCUMZ TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

RIGHT. WHEN HAS SELF VOTING EVER BEEN A GOOD SCUM STRATEGY? 99% OF THE TIME IT RESULTS IN THE SELF-VOTERS LYNCH.

Most likely night 1 kill 2006 what up?

Ok, but here it seems that the mafia aren't killing, unless they killed dry-fit, or were both roleblocked. So I don't think that would be a factor when the mafia are deciding whether to recruit you or not.

You being targeted by the scum a lot isn't actually an argument in favor of you being town in this setup, fritzler.

These.

First game back after a year and a half sabbatical (called Afghanistan), N1 vig. Holler.

Still... I don't think something like that would put recruiters off. That seems a bit one off.

Guys, how plausible do you think it is that the whole DGB/Kinetic thing is a gambit on their part as cult together?

Not really plausible at all. How plausible do you think it is?

[ooba]

The following six people should each state which of them are most likely to have been recruited:
Bvoight, Fritzler, Flameaxe, Ooba, Porochaz, Populartajo

Poro.
I might have been wrong about Poptajo cause his thoughts on DGB resonate with mine ..

Also, @Fritzler:

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So in the space of a single page DGB goes from:
- Lynch me cause it's the only way
- ML is scum
- Will scum ever self-vote?

Sorry - not buying it ..

[Mr. Flay]

Third Vote Count of Day Two:

DrippingGoofball - 4 (Porochaz, Magister Ludi, populartajo, ooba)
Yosarian2 - 2 (Katsuki, Fritzler)
ThAdmiral - 2 (Battousai, Cobblerfone)
Cobblerfone - 2 (bvoigt, Flameaxe)
Magister Ludi - 2 (Bunnylover, DrippingGoofball)
Battousai - 1 (Zdenek)
populartajo - 1 (Yosarian2)

Not Voting: Andrius, Herodotus, Lady Lambdadelta, Nobody Special, Seraphim, springlullaby, Tanarin, ThAdmiral, xvart

With 23 voters, it will take 12 to lynch.

[populartajo]

THIS I CANT TOLERATE:

1.[quote=""DGB"]I'm going to spam the thread until I'm lynched good and proper, so I recommend compliance.You lynch me, I die,

but the town's chances brighten considerably

. [/quote]

Let's take this as a teaching moment, NoOb.
Let's suppose for a moment that I'm cult.

For 10 points, please explain how this helps my wincon

.

2.

hey
tajo's town.

You may be cult too tajo, you may.

3.

I probably shouldn't bother,

but Kinetic-scum's BS post above is not only wrong,

contains a least 3 points that don't make internal sense or are verifiable inaccuracies.

I think I need to be today's lynch because

if the town learns the hard way not to listen to Kinetic

(I know you're not doing it tajo, but others are. It's good for the town.

4.

I AM CULT
LYNCH ME

VOTE: Magister Ludi

Confirm vote: DGB.

[bvoigt]

The following six people should each state which of them are most likely to have been recruited:
Bvoight, Fritzler, Flameaxe, Ooba, Porochaz, Populartajo

Fritzler, then Flameaxe and ooba. Porochaz came under some suspicion yesterday, and I just can't see populartajo as scum with the way he's playing right now.

[Cobblerfone]

@Cobbler: What do you mean, your "unrecruitableness is unsure"?

It means I asked Mr. Flay if I was unrecruitable. He said he couldn't answer. (paraphrased of coursed) Therefore, I assumed I was unrecruitable and still do.

Fritzler is interesting.

[xvart]

It means I asked Mr. Flay if I was unrecruitable. He said he couldn't answer. (paraphrased of coursed) Therefore, I assumed I was unrecruitable and still do.

Wait. wtf?

VOTE: Cobblerfone

[Cobblerfone]

Why? What's different now, xvart? Do you think I'm a N-0 or N-1 recruit?

[populartajo]

IM WTF AS WELL

BUT I THINK THIS IN INDICATIVE OF DERPNESS RATHER THAN SCUMINESS

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON MRS DGB AND HER SCUMMY WAYS OF CONTRADICT HER STANCES

[xvart]

You told everyone you were recruitable, which you do not know based on the information Flay gave you. There is obvious reasons why Flay would not answer that question either way under either assumption. You are N0 recruit. You deceived the town and provided information which you do not know.