Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia. (Game Over)

[Parama]

/confirm

[Parama]

HE ADDED A PERIOD.

THE DOUCHE.

XVART IS CONFIRMED SCUM.

[Parama]

I'm going to roll your dice, if you get my drift.

[Parama]

This is a mini normal. It's bound to devolve into a trainwreck regardless of who's playing it.

[Parama]

vote: kondi

policy lynching it up in this
bobsnox, I promise not to kill you tonight.

[Parama]

I legitimately thought you were SK that game, if it's any consolation.

[Parama]

It's because I'm not afraid to look like a douche

[Parama]

Policy lynching is a Day 1 thing you moron. I told you I'd policy lynch you today, why can't you accept that?

[Parama]

*steals Haschel's food*

IT WAS ALL A PLOT
FOR FREE FOOD

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Parama]

What's the policy?

ongoing game discussion removed by author

[Parama]

wheeeeeee

[Parama]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOO

CooLskins and Beck just both double RVSed. There is a 100% chance at least one is scum.
Hrezs has posted and isn't voting. There is an 80% chance he is scum.
Surye hasn't posted yet outside of confirmation and I'd like the mod to unofficially prod him. There is a 100% chance he will post following that prod.
kondi is still a totally good policy lynch. There is a 50% chance I will keep my vote on him after this post.
This game's only on page three. It's impossible for me to have caught all the scum at this point, but there is an 80% chance that 2 of the 3 players I have mentioned are scum, and a 100% chance that at least one is.

This wagon isn't helpful at all.

CooLskins, why is Beck scum?
Beck, why is CooLskins scum?
Hrezs, why is kondi town?
bobsnox, why is blue?

[Parama]

I'd totally vote Hrezs because he's scum.
But I just can't stand kondi because [ongoing game].

and answer my question, dammit.

Not going to comment on CooLskins or Beck again until they've both posted responses.

[Parama]

Definitely wrong. CooLskins changed their vote on the bottom of the last page.
Don't automate your votecounts please, mod.

*Thanks for pointing it out. See above update. - HP

[Parama]

simple really:

I love the way you just jump right on to my question without giving it a second glance.

1) wishywashy in vote stages. Votes for hasc, then all of a sudden votes for don.

I kinda already went over this but sure.

2) hops on biggest wagon that already has 4 peple on it. Which is plenty big for an rvs wagon

Agree.

3) His votes don't contribute to the game. Hasc had 2 votes on him when he unvoted to a wagon that had no votes.

AKA failing RVS forever.

4) piggy-backing with an apparently experienced (I full heatedly deny this ) player to gain town credit.

Eh, this doesn't work.

5) doesn't seem to understand the magnitude of his vote.

His vote is worth as much as any other vote?

Then again comparing this to Beck's rezction.... bwahahahaha.

Parama's reaction to his wagon was HORRIBLE, I don't know what the heck you are thinking if you actually think that reaction was genuine town. He immediately starts deflecting off himself by calling out multiple people.

Deflecting implies I was suspected in the first place. I let the smart people wagon me for the lulz d(''d)

1. he declares one of coolskins or myself is scum, 100% guaranteed and he is 80% he has caught a second (@ Parama, i'd like a link to 2 or 3 games on site that can support this scum tell please, if yuo are unable to provide such links than your 100% nonsense is horseshit)

I'm not looking through my past games just to support claims that are generally seen as accurate.

2. he starts calling out lurkers or inactive posters to get the attention off himself

I told the mod to prod Surye. I did not say I suspected Surye. And "lurkers" implies multiple people, yet I only mentioned one player.

3. he starts asking people to explain why somebody is scum or town, wether they actually believe that person is or not. It is way to early in the game for me personally to have strong scum or town reads on anyone

It is possible to catch scum on page 1; I've done it before, for the record
It is never too early to scumhunt.
I don't care what the people believed, I asked questions, and they either answer the question the way I asked or say why they disagree with the question's premise.
Oh and, if it's way

learn

to

spell please

early in the game for you to have strong reads, why are you claiming to have a strong read on me?

4. he honestly advocates a policy lynch, which in my opinion is a horrible reason to lynch anyone (though this isn't a scumtell, it's just a stupidtell. policy lynches are lame)

Hah, calling me stupid.
ur da stupidist, u no
also policy lynches are boss.

@parama, why the certainty so early on?

If I look like I believe something more than I actually do, the scum will get antsier. I am not as certain as I sound; however, if I sound more certain than I am, and I'm right, the scum will scream and squirm and out themselves.
I mean, it worked here.

I'm really not liking Don's reaction to the Beck wagon. Saying that the wagon is good without voting is classic scum fence-sitting. It could be him trying to push a townie wagon without his vote being on it, or him offering vague support for a scumbud's wagon without him actuall pushing it. Either way it's super scummy.

agreed.

anyways this game's all wrapped up. Beck/Hrezs/probablydon are the scum.

unvote, vote: Beck

[Parama]

Yeah, Beck, sorry but bobsnox, xvart, and CooLskins are all my scumbuddies. Don't take it personally.

[Parama]

@#beck, parama has a meta of throwing out semi-random percentages in order to show how confident he is in making a statement. At least I think he has that meta.

No I don't.

[Parama]

OSV in a 13p?
pssh. all that would do is waste a lynch for the town. I see no reason to change my vote.

[Parama]

You're not a town PR.

[Parama]

I don't like this. If you believed he was a OSV, you'd still lynch?

If I believed he was OSV, that'd mean I think he's town. I don't lynch town reads.

You're not a town PR.

I'm sorry, Vig is a town PR, what mafia have you played?

You're not town, so you can't be a town PR.
<_<

P. Edit, not to toot my own horn but I'm the ONLY ONE who has done anything pro town

There is not enough laughter in the world to accommodate for this statement.

Learn 2 play or be less obvious as scum

1. I have a year and a half of mafia experience, and over 8500 game posts. I've been nominated for several scummies. I have singlehandedly won games for both town and scum. I don't think I need to learn 2 play.
2. Repeating the above, with emphasis on how I've singlehandedly for my scumteam.

I don't have a scumteam this game though so it hardly matters.

Why is Beck still alive?

[Parama]

CooLskins and Beck just both double RVSed. There is a 100% chance at least one is scum.

So CooLskins is basically confirmed scum now.

vote: Hrezs

since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.

Oh and here's scum #3:

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

you can thank me and nominate me for a scummy later

bobsnox what's off about #26? It's kinda pregame discussion and I see nothing wrong with it.

Hrezs, Zodiark, don, xvart, and kondi all need to post more; they all have 5 or less posts, and at least one of those is pregame for each.

[Parama]

Reading that post... no, I don't!

[Parama]

vote: Hrezs

since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.

Hows this work again? I came back to read the game and the thread was closed.
Also you just called

3

people scum, and said

2

more scum left?
Sounds like a scumslip.

Vote: Parama

BWAHAHAHAHA

There are 2 more scum left besides confscum CooLskins. Nice outrageous misrep there. I'm going to go ahead and say that you're confscum too.

[Parama]

Sup. Skimmed.
I see nobody suspects Hrezs except me.
This is either a sign that I'm crazy or that I hit the nail on the head. Probably a combination of both.
Actual reading will come later.

[Parama]

Parama, why are you voting for Hrezs?

Vote: Parama

pffff you're voting me because you're too lazy to look for my reasoning against Hrezs.
which means you're probably not scum with him, actually.
so this may be a good thing but it's at least partly bad because your vote is bad.
Lazy my-iso-only case time!

Hrezs has posted and isn't voting. There is an 80% chance he is scum.

this was like the only noteworthy thing Hrezs did D1, btw. Not much more of a case to make on him.
And then...

vote: Hrezs

since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.

Hows this work again? I came back to read the game and the thread was closed.
Also you just called

3

people scum, and said

2

more scum left?
Sounds like a scumslip.

Vote: Parama

BWAHAHAHAHA

There are 2 more scum left besides confscum CooLskins. Nice outrageous misrep there. I'm going to go ahead and say that you're confscum too.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

CooLskins and Beck just both double RVSed. There is a 100% chance at least one is scum.

So CooLskins is basically confirmed scum now.

vote: Hrezs

since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.

Here we go. I have the strongest scum read on player A, but I will not vote for him because He is so scummy that we can lynch him tomorrow, bullshit. If you have a scum read on somebody why are you not voting for them? It seems stupid to allow a someone who you are absolutely sure is scum survive till the night. There is no town motivation for voting for a number two scum read this early in the day, period.

I'm saving you for a mislynch later. Deal with it.

The truth is that I still feel better about a Hrezs lynch regardless of the fact that you're confirmed scum, because you're confirmed scum mostly for reasons that are beyond your control and have little to do with your posting, whereas Hrezs' posting is basically a scumclaim.
Nah, not basically, it is; especially the one about my "scumslip" as he calls it.

Also, I agree with CooLDoG regarding Parama. If Parama thinks we are confirmed scum (and he has said this more than once) then why isn't he voting for us?

-Bub

shutupshutupshutup
I'm pulling a reverse bus here; they'll never suspect it. Just stay quiet and alive so we can win

Bub you're posting as yourself. Kinda confusing

bobsnox is a hypocrite because he's posting as himself.
I guess this is kinda confusing seeing as I'm posting as myself.
WHEE THIS IS FUN

OSV in a 13p?
pssh. all that would do is waste a lynch for the town. I see no reason to change my vote.

This really strikes me as strange. I don't think I've personally ever seen a full shot vig in a mini normal I've played but I have seen even/odd night vigs and a one shot vig is less shots than those so I don't really get the implication that a one shot vig in a mini normal is unbalanced or soooo unlikely. In fact, wasn't some of the justification for having the mini limit increase to a player base of 13 to incorporate a vig to increase town chances of winning? This just seems like an off the cuff reason to power through the lynch with no substantive base in reality. Based on your opinion do you think a full vig or an even/odd vig is even less likely than a full vig in a mini normal?

the only advantage of an OSV kill over a lynch is that it's guaranteed to come from a townie, but the major disadvantage is that a single townie can be biased.
And I had a good idea of who Beck would've shot.
And he'd end up wasting a lynch because of bias
And if he had been scum, all the better!
P.S. I've seen plenty of vigs in minis.

I actually don't think this is a misrep as much as misinterpretation. Your original post isn't exactly a shining example of clarity.

screw off

the fact that Parama isn't voting someone that is

confirmed scum

0_0
So you agree that CooLskins is confirmed scum.
Even though, technically, he isn't. I just toss around the term haphazardly like a boss.
xvart... why do you think CooLskins is confirmed scum?
0_o
Do you know something I don't?
Do you know something that the town doesn't?
Or is this just a post that isn't a shining example of clarity? I have my doubts about that.

C'est moi? Xvart is my neighbor btw. So im a wee bit shocked by the accusation.

*headdesk desk*
welp. xvart and don ain't scum together. one of them probably is, and that has nothing to do with the fact that they're neighbors.
Why should he think you're town simply because you're a neighbor with him, by the way?

I have more pages to read, which means I have more posts to post. yay!

[Parama]

Link me to a pro-town post. Or shall we assume that you haven't made one?

Stupid. Question. Ever.
Here's a shining example of what any player responds to this question with, regardless of their alignment:

All of my posts are "pro-town"

Now wasn't that fun? You just learned nothing!

Celebloki, deselby, don johnson - good lynches today.

elaboration would be appreciated.
deselby/bobsnox fight makes little sense to my brain. can someone explain to me what they're fighting over?

Hello all, for what its worth I'm not going to defend my hammer

unsure what to make of this. noting it for future reference.

Did some light skimming, I don't like Parama

Holy hell, Zodiark's 242 sucks. "Yay, lemme repeat stuff about don that's already been said. Don't mind me, I don't feel like mentioning the other 9 players at all. Just want to push this wagon. Bye!"
^the feeling I'm getting.

parama 101 is sensible until the beck vote.

You have the power of hindsight. Saying stuff like this is stupid.

Parama is clearly more scummy than don (who you are voting for) so why aren't you voting him?

your ISO has one point about me, and also includes you saying I'm town
whereas you have a huge fight with don including a wall-o-text-war.
What makes me scummier than him, just wondering? Because, well, one, you're wrong, two, it doesn't look like you actually think that.

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[Parama]

don_johnson is obvtown and should not be lynched today.

E-Lab Or Eight?

Each of them is voting for the non-CooLskins partner.

Shut up, it's bad form to bus this early in the game.

very anti town

anti-town =/= scummy
sigh
and nothing about why I'm scum. neato.you have nothing except this supposed "scumslip" which was just you misrepping me, and blatantly at that. excuse me while I refrain from moving my vote

* Antihero replaces kondi2424

Votecount coming soon. - HP

don't care what happens for the rest of the game, this will be nominated for Best Replacement.

There is a reason I seem like a buddy with Parama, btw. He is not today's lynch and neither am I. He may be at a later time but we need a lot more evidence to go off of.

SHHHH! I told you, I warned you about stares man! They're staring at us! Why did you let them in on our scumbuddy secret?

I've been looking at this game for that past 2 hours and the only person who I thought was really scummy was Surye.

That's a sign I need to walk away from this and come back tomorrow.

D:

he's on my good lynch list.

ain't voting him, I dun care.

A Wagon against kondi/Antihero won't get us anywhere atm. I await what Antihero has to say but we obviously can't expect him to enlighten us on what kondi's thought process are. Kondi probably is scum and was caught so he lurked then accepted replacement because he didn't want to try and get himself out of the hole. That being said my now vote on Antihero get's us nowhere. He'll be better scrutinized later.

Unvote

The slot's still the same. Nothing has changed. Why did your vote change, then?

Hrezs, Zodiark, and the kondi slot each have 7 posts. Just thought I'd put this out there, though the last of the three is less guilty than the other two for obvious reasons.

Reading this thread... was a waste of time. I changed very few reads. Gained very little of importance. Thanks, guys.

[Parama]

I find it hilarious that the people who suspect me have done nothing but say I'm scum with no reasoning. Doubly so because 2/3 people doing it I think are scum, one of whom has only been suspicious of me after I voted him

this is hilarious.
You aren't reading my posts, I presume?

[Parama]

Holy crap if I'd known that not posting could cause a wagon to form on my top scumspect I would've never bothered to build cases
To be honest I do have a lot to catch up on but I'll do that after 4th of july weekend thanks.

[Parama]

OH MAN I'M ACTUALLY TRYING AGAIN WHEEEEE
page 12

Hrezs has posted and isn't voting. There is an 80% chance he is scum.

so... I'm scum because I didn't RVS
note to everyone: I had posted once(twice technically) by the time of this post

Yeah, because town have no reason not to RVS. Scum avoid it out of "caution lul" but that never works.

Hrezs, Zodiark, don, xvart, and kondi all need to post more; they all have 5 or less posts, and at least one of those is pregame for each.

oh... Too bad the thread was locked when I came back to post

This is not an excuse. Seriously.

Did some light skimming, I don't like Parama

Holy hell, Zodiark's 242 sucks. "Yay, lemme repeat stuff about don that's already been said. Don't mind me, I don't feel like mentioning the other 9 players at all. Just want to push this wagon. Bye!"
^the feeling I'm getting.

Repeat stuff about don?

Is that REALLY what you're fixating on in this post? You've said nothing on most of my posts, just quoted them for god knows why, and then you come to a post NOT about you and ask an irrelevant question that anybody with a goddamn brain would realize is a stupid question because it requires someone WITHOUT a brain to ASK THE GODDAMN QUESTION?

...repeating stuff about don = repeating stuff about don that others have said and used as an argument against don.
Oh and Zodiark is 100% scum if Hrezs flips scum, and Hrezs is flipping scum.

anti-town =/= scummy
sigh
and nothing about why I'm scum. neato.you have nothing except this supposed "scumslip" which was just you misrepping me, and blatantly at that. excuse me while I refrain from moving my vote

anti-town and scummy go together a lot of the time. At the very least your attitude was anti-town, at the most it was scumtastic.

But this is not what you said.

great arguments you have there

your piss poor responses are the most laughable thing I've read all day.
I am confused by Zodiark's 294. It's terrible, it really is, but shockingly... logical? I don't know. Ugh.

@parama, I did learn that he admits to not scum hunting, and yet insists that he is pro-town. Also, good work on that their dodge.

Yeah tbh I have no clue what you're talking about here. if the game ate your post, make the post again. I don't want cryptic mysteries.

@@hez wagon, hez is lurking poretty bad. I could put him in a don/parama scum team. But don has to be today's lynch.

You aren't even trying. Not at all. You know you're screwed. You know your team's screwed. Why are you trying to make it worse? Because that's tough to do, but you seem to be pulling it off just fine.

His reaction is confscum to me. Hrezs is still a good lynch but Zodiark is just bad bad scum.

*notsureifomgus*
What is up with this game anyways? It's like an abomination to logic. Psychology weeps for this game.

[Parama]

this was missing from that last post somehow.

Celebolki actually said a couple pages before that he "wasn't comfortable dropping the hammer" or something to that effect. This cautiousness vanished in the subsequent pages for no apparent reason.

This is the only worthwhile thing in this post, and I can derail it by saying that Celebloki said that BEFORE Beck went insane and started screaming at everyone.

[Parama]

Page 13 owns your soul's soul.

Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI = scum

And honestly, hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.

Vote: Zodiark13

oh hey. a contradiction. Zodiark gets to be lynched either today or tomorrow. Take your pick.
Hey BubDoG did you read Celebloki's above post? Good day to you sir. You're making every excuse in the book to sit on your don vote because it's on town, right? I don't know for sure if don's town but if you're scum he ain't and you're probably going to flip red so he probably is.
oh and then 310 happens. Meh.

The truth is that I still feel better about a Hrezs lynch regardless of the fact that you're confirmed scum, because you're confirmed scum mostly for reasons that are beyond your control and have little to do with your posting, whereas Hrezs' posting is basically a scumclaim.
Nah, not basically, it is; especially the one about my "scumslip" as he calls it.

This just reeks of faking a justification because you got called out on it. Someone is confirmed scum because of things beyond their control so you don't vote them?

Yeah I BS responses often. If I didn't say anything you'd yell at me anyways.

OSV in a 13p?
pssh. all that would do is waste a lynch for the town. I see no reason to change my vote.

This really strikes me as strange. I don't think I've personally ever seen a full shot vig in a mini normal I've played but I have seen even/odd night vigs and a one shot vig is less shots than those so I don't really get the implication that a one shot vig in a mini normal is unbalanced or soooo unlikely. In fact, wasn't some of the justification for having the mini limit increase to a player base of 13 to incorporate a vig to increase town chances of winning? This just seems like an off the cuff reason to power through the lynch with no substantive base in reality. Based on your opinion do you think a full vig or an even/odd vig is even less likely than a full vig in a mini normal?

the only advantage of an OSV kill over a lynch is that it's guaranteed to come from a townie, but the major disadvantage is that a single townie can be biased.

I don't find this explanation acceptable and you conveniently didn't even consider that a lynch can be biased as well.

I don't care if you don't find the explanation acceptable, because it's theoretically true. MD it post-game if you want to.
Lynch bias is completely different from vig bias. A vendetta is something that will not force a lynch; it can most certainly affect vig kills though.

And I had a good idea of who Beck would've shot.

And this concerns me greatly since you were so adamant about him being lynched.

He was scummy, which is why I wanted him lynched. His ridiculous vendetta + his claim only made him a better lynch.

P.S. I've seen plenty of vigs in minis.

So the difference between full vigs and one shot vigs is one shot vigs can only be biased once. Have you ever had a full vig claim on D1 in a mini game?

If they were at L-1, don't you think they'd claim?
And now you've completely derailed the point.

the fact that Parama isn't voting someone that is

confirmed scum

0_0
So you agree that CooLskins is confirmed scum.

1

Even though, technically, he isn't. I just toss around the term haphazardly like a boss.

2

xvart... why do you think CooLskins is confirmed scum?
0_o
Do you know something I don't?
Do you know something that the town doesn't?

3

This is such a scummy post for so many reasons:

1

You know damn well the context of the post is me speaking from your expressed viewpoint.

2

Yet you still call him confirmed scum in this very post and back off of it because his being confirmed scum isn't his fault. Also, even if you throw it around "like a boss" the implication is still more than a casual scum read. Plus, I don't even see really see why you believe he was confirmed scum other than he double RVSed with Beck and some cursory responses to CooLskins. Can you elaborate on what double RVSing means and why this indicates if how one of them is scum?

3

This final string of questions is just laughable at your attempt to undermine me by saying I was the one that called CooLskins confirmed scum couldn't be more obvious.

sup 1: no, I don't. If you don't have quotation marks around it, or if it's not in a quote box, you're the one saying it, buddy.
sup 2: yeah, and I have several serious scum reads. I never have casual scum reads. I had a serious scum read on Hrezs the day before but Beck was worse. I was wrong about Beck. Oh well. I'm right about Hrezs. There's no way I'm not right.
sup 3: this is based off me supposedly misinterpreting you, which is completely and wholly your fault.

your ISO has one point about me, and also includes you saying I'm town
whereas you have a huge fight with don including a wall-o-text-war.
What makes me scummier than him, just wondering? Because, well, one, you're wrong, two, it doesn't look like you actually think that.

Well I actually said your response was town because I was expecting a more flame fest with you accusing your attackers with an early wagon (which is ironic because that seems to be what you are doing now). And I really like your sensationalized account of don and I and are apparent "argument." Also, it should be apparent why I believe you to be scum which is equally interesting since you just railed on someone for not reading your posts to find your case; so either you are just trying to make me seem like I don't know what I'm doing or you are hoping I back down to your wheee authority.

My response was town because you expected it to come from scum?
And I'm accusing my attackers? Oh no no no. I accused them BEFORE they attacked me, for starters. This is because I'm awesome. And are my points against Hrezs invalid? You've not given input on this, my good sir.
I skimmed the xvart/don lovefest. Too much pointless pointless.

and nothing about why I'm scum. neato.you have nothing except this supposed "scumslip" which was just you misrepping me, and blatantly at that. excuse me while I refrain from moving my vote

Gosh. Imagine my surprise that you aren't moving your vote off of

someone who has claimed scum

or refraining from voting someone who is confirmed scum. This is the sort of mudsligging/subtle threats I have come to expect from Parama scum.

???
I derailed his post with logic. His post lived in some fantasy world, and I brought it back to reality. No, I don't remember the post at all, but if that was my response, I can tell it sucked.
Hrezs claimed scum? Where?
I'm not refraining from voting someone who is confirmed scum? So I'm voting someone who is confirmed scum? Thanks for letting me know!
OH LOOK META. YEAH THAT ALWAYS WORKS. LOLOLOLOLOLO

(P.S. - your entire response is terribly worded, xvart. I honestly have no clue what you're trying to say other than in the last line.)

Celebloki has a good catch. Given the context of and his voting pattern around this time makes this is a solid case and wagon. I'll keep my vote on Parama until Zodiark has a chance to respond but I don't see anything that could really convince me otherwise.

Why would you need to wait for a response? What in god's name is there to respond to? Zodiark was caught in a contradiction. There's literally no "explanation" or "response" to being a confirmed LIAR.

I don't understand the zodiark wagon. Nothing he's done has struck me as scum. Not saying I read him as town, but I don't see the case against him.

"Now excuse me while I continue to not pay attention to the thread."
Hrezs + Zodiark is totally happenin'. It's so happenin' that I don't know how happenin' it is because I'm not happenin' enough to happen to know about its happenings.
Oh god I sound like such a loser.
Zodiark 323 - too lazy to quote, but the problem is obvious:
Taking those lines out of context doesn't mean a damn thing. They are polar opposites. In one, you say one thing. In the other, you argue the opposite.

this page was full of too much nothing but xvart's stupid waste of time.

[Parama]

four teens enter a bar and run into a post

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Celebloki

I'm going to assume this was a typing error because nothing in your post indicates suspicion of Celebloki. Seems like this was SUPPOSED to be a Zodiark vote. Reading ahead I'll probably find you changing this vote, I suspect <.<

I don't see zodiark being that careless as scum. I read it as him not having his head in the game and trying to get his feet wet as town.

bob continues to be ridiculously scummy though

bobsnox (4)

- deselby, Haschel Cedricson, Hrezs, Zodiark13,

Haschel can you please GTFO this terrible wagon you're not even posting much anyways so...

I do not like hrez's last post. Specifically the part about, "Bob is still be ridiculously scummy yet I have absolutely no case on him what so ever but I want to post this anyway so I look like I have reads"

Holy crap, you're not scum are you? I don't see scum bussing both of their buddies like this. Because, y'know, Hrezs and Zodiark are totally and completely in love with each other and will defend each other to the death.

Or I'm town who thinks he's town?

I know, its a crazy idea to defend town reads, but you should try it sometime.

So then why do you think he's town?

ONLY ONE PAGE LEFT TO GO HELL YEAH

[Parama]

why can't I use three rolls in a role forum
why.
mod can you put spaces between those or something? it looks ugly now.

* Sure, but please

BOLD

your requests so I can easily spot them. - HP

[Parama]

page 15 too lazy witty title etc

deselby - why are you still voting me?

unvote: bobsnox

vote: hrezs

hmm.
Eh...
...
Uh...
dammit.
This bugs me. A lot. Just the timing.
But the problem is, it's a logical vote switch following a logical post.
And it involves switching from probtown to scum.
ugh ugh this bug on my rug drank from a mug that it dug ugh.

Oops. I just noticed my incorrect vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zodiark

caaaaaaaaaaallled it
I'm so pro
holy crap antihero is in this game?

My name's been popular today.

AS IT SHOULD BE, you chucklehead.

You aren't reading the thread~

@bobsnox Don's #335 did stand out to me. It paints Hrezs as scum either way for Zodiark and I agree with his statement. I am weary to to hop over as it would put Hrezs at L-1 and I am not necessarily ready to put him in a spot for a quick-hammer. I think Hrezs needs to claim though and is effectively at L-1.

I'm willing to bet that Hrezs and Zodiark are scum buddies

and would be happy to see either lynched today.

Now, this is based on what?

You aren't reading the thread~

I mean holy hell Antihero even me being stupid and bored I still figured out why Celebloki is a bad vote and Zodiark is a wonderful one and Hrezs and Zodiark have a scummy relationship with each other.

I saw Hrezs buy Zodiark some roses yesterday... roses of DOOOOOOOM.

Nice attempt at getting a counter-wagon started to try and protect your two scumbuds, antihero.

I could totally see this, but I feel the problem lies in Antihero being too lazy to read, kinda like me, except now I HAVE read so
I'm not interest in Anti/Cele's lovefest so post ends here.
HI MY POSTS

[Parama]

Page 16:
those are some sexy posts

[Parama]

HP:
Supermegaposts piss me off.

[Parama]

Yeah, because town have no reason not to RVS. Scum avoid it out of "caution lul" but that never works.

I have RVS'd once in my mafia career. I was mafia then. I don't do it because I hate it.

Oh hey meta. IDGAF.

Is that REALLY what you're fixating on in this post? You've said nothing on most of my posts, just quoted them for god knows why, and then you come to a post NOT about you and ask an irrelevant question that anybody with a goddamn brain would realize is a stupid question because it requires someone WITHOUT a brain to ASK THE GODDAMN QUESTION?

...repeating stuff about don = repeating stuff about don that others have said and used as an argument against don.

I had no reason to say anything about them because they said nothing. Literally nothing.
And when have I EVER mentioned don?

Oh.
My.
God.

Just to let you know, the start of this quote tunnel was something directed mostly at ZODIARK.

Did some light skimming, I don't like Parama

Holy hell, Zodiark's 242 sucks. "Yay, lemme repeat stuff about don that's already been said. Don't mind me, I don't feel like mentioning the other 9 players at all. Just want to push this wagon. Bye!"
^the feeling I'm getting.

I have a feeling you only read that part because it came right after my one-smiley response to your worthless post.
You then responded to it saying

Repeat stuff about don?

which is what triggered my response.
I figured out what's happening here, though - your reading comprehension is SO BAD that you thought a post directed at ZODIARK was directed at you.
OR... DOES THAT, BY CHANCE, MEAN THAT THE TWO NAMES ARE INTERCHANGEABLE?

YEAH, IT DOES. HREZS/ZODIARK SCUMTEAM 100% CONFIRMED DIE DIE DIE.

which of them has a bigger wagon atm? I'm jumping on that one.

But this is not what you said.

It was anti-town. The fact that they go together (in addendum to other stuff I didn't like about you) gives more relevence to the anti-townness of the post

But this is not what you said what you said what you said...

your piss poor responses are the most laughable thing I've read all day.

piss poor responses to piss poor arguments. You get what you give

And here we have Hrezs admitting that his posts are terrible. Oh god. That's just...






BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahhaaahaaaa.....
oh by the way you know my arguments are valid, hrezs.

[Parama]

proooooooodvooooooooooooooiiiiiiid~

[Parama]

Anyone with a brain should realize that bob is pretty much confirmed town at this point.
I'm not going to say any more on the matter as of now.

[Parama]

vote: Zodiark

more than obvious.

[Parama]

Are you paying attention to this game at all don I mean seriously now

[Parama]

don if I gave you any more hints it'd be anti-town posting. just accept that bob is town and move on with your life.

[Parama]

The point is, it is anti-town for me to explain. Do some sleuthing or let the issue drop. I will never support a bobsnox lynch.

[Parama]

Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI = scum

And honestly, hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.

Vote: Zodiark13

oh hey. a contradiction. Zodiark gets to be lynched either today or tomorrow. Take your pick.

There's literally no reason to elaborate.
Oh btw Celebloki flipped town.

[Parama]

Celebloki made the only case I care about. I literally see no reason for further discussion.

[Parama]

You contradicted yourself. There's no reason not to lynch you.

[Parama]

I'll just keep waiting...
You'll just keep waiting...

[Parama]

Nice try Zodiark, but that's not a contradiction. bobsnox is just bad at words or something.

[Parama]

Nice try Zodiark, but that's not a contradiction. bobsnox is just bad at words or something.

Quick to defend scumbuddies. Noted.

OH CRAP BOBSNOX HE CAUGHT ON

DAMMIT, LYNCH HIM FASTER PEOPLE

[Parama]

The last game I played with him, he bussed one of his buddies from the get go and then another one later in the game (IIRC) with little provocation. He also thinks I'm a horrible player. If we were both scum, I'd be dead by now.

This isn't a valid point because if Parama hard core bussed someone D1 in every single game where he was scum he would be catching heat every single time he was vocal and sure of himself on a D1 scum lynch.

Actually this already happens. Mini 1063, Mini 1079, Mini 1151, probably tons of other places. Any time I dominate scum accuse me of bussing and try to get me lynched, also it never works.

[Parama]

Because I picked up on what bob was claiming and I believed him due to the way he was going about it.

[Parama]

You have an hour to post a case. Because at this point in time you've said NOTHING about me.

[Parama]

So right now we have all the smart people voting Zod, Zod trying to get bobsnox lynched, one of his scumbuddies in the neighbors assisting him, and the other neighbor being stupid. And havingfitz is making a fail and wasting his vote.
When Zodiark flips scum, I'm going to find out which of the neighbors is his buddy. Should be easy enough. Seeing the wagon now, no way in hell both neighbors are town.

[Parama]

deselby you need to vote
Haschel's replacement you need to join the game :<

[Parama]

Bwahahaha, dj's definitely the scum neighbor. "I think bobsnox is scum, and I think Parama is scum by association, so let me lynch the player who I feel is scum by association instead of the one who I feel is scum for actual reasons."
At least the Zodiark wagon's the leading wagon again

[Parama]

I never claimed VT. DJ, I don't think you're reading correctly.
FTR tracker is a less safe claim for mafia than cop is.
You don't think there's a scum neighbor because you are the scum neighbor and by emphasizing that you think your neighbor is town you're trying to draw attention away from the neighborhood and decrease the likelihood of you getting lynched. Well that plan failed. I never did say anything about xvart being scum, by the way.

[Parama]

shocking awe.

vote: don_johnson

points from yesterday still stand, especially in light of recent flips.

Also,

Mod: Can you please bump the thread when day officially starts? I'm not sure when you unlocked the thread but when you edit posts people tend not to see them.

*I deemed a bump unnecesary when I sent private messages to all of you announcing the day start with a link to the post.
- HP

I may actually compile some sort of DJ case soon. I may not. We'll see.

[Parama]

*I deemed a bump unnecesary when I sent private messages to all of you announcing the day start with a link to the post.
- HP

Didn't get this, so....

* My bad. I drafted and never sent it. No wonder people weren't posting. Thanks for letting me know. -HP

xvart. I don't think you're scum. I think DJ is. I haven't even said anything about one neighbor being scum for sure today. I'm pretty much set on DJ being the scum between the two of you.

[Parama]

It's not that I think there's one cum in the neighborhood due to that fallacy.
it's that I think there' one scum in the neighborhood because I have a strong scumread in the neighborhood <.<
Though neither neighbor being on the Zod wagon yesterday helps my theory anyways :/

[Parama]

and this is why I should be rereading, honestly. soooo lazy, I am.

[Parama]

I think we should lynch fitz today.

don_johnson (2)

- CooLskins,

<_______<
c'mon don't do this to me bro

[Parama]

what the hell this isn't a large theme guys stop wall-o-text warring.

[Parama]

LEMME ADD TO THAT THERE WALL OF TEXT WAR OLOLOLOLOL
IT'S GODDAMN ISO TIME. THIS POST IS DJ-ISO.

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

"Excuse me while I pay lip service to a mislynch wagon without actually bringing up any points or voting. I can just claim this post was a joke sort of thing and it's all good, but it will likely get more people voting Beck"

vote: celebloki

Stupid hammer was stupid.

Hmm... I remember another play who was all "lynch Celebloki his hammer was bad." Zodiark, I think his name was.
Hmm... and Celebloki flipped town... and Zodiark flipped scum... HMMM.

what waffle? i wasn't even around when the lynch was carried through. i never voted beck, and i never backed off on my stance that the wagon was good(cause beck was quicklynched.) my stance can hardly be described as a waffle. i demand you choose better verbage.

Oh, so you really weren't making that comment in jest. Well, I'm glad you didn't jump on a wagon that you thought was good.

C'est moi? Xvart is my neighbor btw. So im a wee bit shocked by the accusation.

"Ah hell, I'm screwed... BUT WAIT! WHAT IF I CLAIM?"
Though in all honestly this is more of a slight towntell than anything because the mafia already knew there was a neighborhood if one of the neighbors were scum, and scum outing their neighbor buddy would basically give town a confirmed townie if the scum got lynched anyways. Though I think this point was brought up before and I probably just missed it <_<
uote="don_johnson"]All of my posts are "pro-town", depending on your definition. I have barely participated in this game so far. we just passed 200 posts. Thats not very long, especially to already be in day 2. Are you going to let me respond to xvart when I can, or are you going to continue to bash me while im posting from my phone?[/quote]
"Excuse me while I intentionally dodge the question with clever wordplay."

i don't recall you tieing me to beck, at all. i really wasn't paying much attention through day 1 and my support for the beck wagon was because "he had no sense of humor." in my experience, scum often lack a sense of humor when they are wagoned relentlessly. having not been paying too much attention, however, i wasn't ready to vote. regardless of scum or town, the beck wagon looked like it was going to move and movement produces content which is good for town. i didn't expect a lynch to go through so quick and i don't think any of the players who were not present can hold any of the responsibility for that. the wagon was bad.

1. "lack of a sense of humor" isn't a scumtell
2. link me some games?
3. so you knew enough to know that there was a wagon on Beck, and that he lacked a sense of humor, one of your "scumtells", yet you "weren't paying enough attention" to justify voting him? BS.

If you are not going to defend the hammer then

you cant fault people for voting you because of it

. Calling my play "distancing" is a bit of a stretch seeing as how you quick hammered a claimed power role before I had a chance to contribute.

WARNING WARNING I SPY A SOFT DEFENSE OF ZODIARK HERE
since they were the only two voting Celebloki at the time.

unvote

celbloks answer is adequate for now. for someone so seemingly eager to talk to me in the qt, xvart sure is taking his sweet time in responding to my response. didn't have a chance to catch up yet, but i will get to it asap.

Literally NOTHING changed between this post and DJ's last - Celebloki still didn't try to defend his hammer, which is the reason DJ called him out in the first place.
Frankly, Celebloki's response IS pro-town, but for another reason - it's not that he's doesn't want to defend his hammer, but that he's willing to admit that he can't defend it. Scum make up the excuse because if they don't make an excuse then they think they'll be lynched for it. I'm not sure if DJ picked up on this or not, but "his post was adequate" implies that Cele met the criteria DJ was looking for, even though it's obvious that Cele intentionally refused to meet this criteria.
Sorry if that sounds horribly convoluted, I'm not in a wordsmith-type mood today it seems.

Why? Bloks post was ok. Leaving my vote on accomplishes nothing.

And this post is basically the same thing. Why was his post OK? Because DJ knows Celebloki is town and doesn't need an excuse beyond that? Hmmph.

To whose "legitimate" requests are you referring? Skins? I think I had what, 5 posts on day 1? I didnt quicklynch anyone and end the day early.

This is the goddamn nail in the coffin IMO. "Well EXCUSE MEEEE, PRINCESS, but

I

didn't vote on the quicklynch wagon, even though I

DID

pay lip service to it, calling it a good wagon, making me at least partly responsible for the lynch even if I didn't take part in it."
Yeah, no, YOU DON'T GET THAT EXCUSE, PAL.

when i received my pm i opened it, saw i was neighbors with xvart and then went to click on the link to the qt. as i scrolled over it, i notice it said it was a link to the scum qt. i immediately pm'd the mod to say "hey, am i scum? or if not, do you realize you sent me a link to the wrong qt.(paraphrased)" mod pm'd me back and said, "no, you are town and the qt is not a mistake, i just forgot to change the label." so i clicked on the link and day had already started. i ask if yours had the same mistake and you say no. but i'm not going to pm hunt you as i think its a bad idea, and if you are town it could end up in two mislynches. you seem to be looking at events objectively.

Eh... technically this means there's at least one difference between the two role PMs besides the rolename... but the other part says that "well why the hell would DJ bring this up if he was scum and knew xvart wouldn't have the same PM as him?"
But meh, mod WIFOM stuff and I dunno. I'm actually unsure what to make of this :/ This is turning out to be a more confusing read than I expected.

if xvart is town, the speculation would be disastrous for town and take us away from traditional scumhunting. i'd like to avoid that at this point.

Also can be read as "If xvart is town, and we lynch him, then I'm screwed because it basically confirms me as scum since our role PM are different to at least some extent." But AGAIN, I also don't know why don would've brought this up as scum, unless he was trying to get xvart lynched and that plan backfired on him or something. I'm again really confused. I don't like this post at all - it reads as scum to me - but the basis of this whole series of shenanigans is a complete nulltell to me :/

unvote, vote bobsnox

This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.

snox is reading town today as well as xvart.

Okay, so DJ, I want a complete list of everything that made you change your mind on bobsnox. IN QUOTES-FROM-YOUR-ISO-ONLY form. Because I don't see it - D2, you say "bobsnox town" and then D3 you're "bobsnox isn't confirmed and Parama's defending him also bobsnox hasn't been playing pro-town" and it's more the "bobsnox hasn't been playing pro-town" part that irks me because you said the opposite on the previous day but "xvart said it and I know he's town so now I should change my mind too" seems like the scum train of thought DJ was having here.

parama, i don't think you're reading correctly. i thought i clearly stated that your actions were scummy independent of bobs alignment, not the other way around. the fact that you claim to have picked up his softclaim(no way in hell you interpreted him as "tracker", so you had to think he was most likely cop), and when he claimed a much less reliable role, you haven't questioned it one bit. thats odd to me.

Sorry, but no. In ISO #42, pretty much everything was contingent on me being scum with bobsnox, and the things that were "scummy" were all association tells, again linked to bobsnox. Before that post, you had said NOTHING about me in your ISO - and yes, I went and ctrl+f'ed to check. So, APPARENTLY, I'm linked to bobsnox and scum on his scumflip, except I'm also the better lynch because "well bobsnox claimed tracker and confirmed parama as VT, so let's lynch the VT first."
Oh, and for posterity's sake: tracker is a harder role to claim as scum than cop is. Oh wait, looks like I already said that.

parama: i don't think there is a scum neighbor. xvart is posting pretty protown.

You don't think there's a scum neighbor because you are the scum neighbor and by emphasizing that you think your neighbor is town you're trying to draw attention away from the neighborhood and decrease the likelihood of you getting lynched. Well that plan failed. I never did say anything about xvart being scum, by the way.

I think I said it pretty well already, but an additional point of note: DJ never explicitly says he's town here, he just makes it "assumed" and then goes on to defend his neighbor, completely missing the point of my argument - I said "DJ is the scum neighbor" and DJ responds with "no, I don't think xvart is scum."
It's a total non-sequitur, right? He's intentionally dodging my accusation.

skins: thanks for the repost, the case isn't terrible and i'm willing to hammer him. the fact is, if i am wrong about parama/bob, then zod could very well be scum, my gut just says hes town whose not good at writing. but whatever. i think we're better off letting imaginality in here before we end the day. i still don't like des putting zod to L-1. parama and bob are in no real danger of being lynched today, so his excuse reads like, well, an excuse. of all the votes on zod, thats the one that looks lilke a bus to me. but whatever.

pfffhahahaha "so yeah I could be wrong about the bobsnox/parama thing, and also since Zod looks like he's going to be lynched, I think it's time for some hardcore backpedaling."

most of his early posts were quote walls with things like "wheeeee" written in between.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Please compile a case so as I have something to respond to. "points from yesterday" doesnt give me much. Ill post more from home. I still think my neighbor is town, and odds put parama as town, but I cant post a lot from my phone. So yeah.

sup here's your case
also "lol I claimed to have legitimate things that say parama is scum outside of his relation to bobsnox, but lemme throw those away because of odds." Tell me that's a town mindset, and I will whack you with a totem pole.

i have already stated i think parama is town and i'll explain why a bit later. hint: its not because of his shit ass posting.

des is probably my top suspect today. his vote at L-1 was terrible. i'll dissect it in another post.

vote: deselby

vote: celebloki

Stupid hammer was stupid.

Celebloki, Town Jailkeeper, was killed night 2.

lalalalala I can't hear you over the sound of scummy

he has most likely already won the game

I agree, this game's already won. I've nailed one scum, just have to lynch them now, and VCA will completely demolish the other scum, because this entire game has been a war of the wagons.

lynchpool should be fitz, imag, deselby in no particular order yet. i believe both scum(assuming statistic regularity) are in that pool of three.

noting this for future reference, because I noticed you're not voting for one of these three in the most recent votecount.

unvote

in the meantime.

Again, not explaining what changed, if anything did actually change. Good job, keep that consistency up.

Now lets get on to don's shit posting:

ad hom

.

i have already stated i think parama is town and i'll explain why a bit later. hint: its not because of his shit ass posting.

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HOM
So don. why are you voting out of your 3-man lynchpool that contains all the scum?

I stopped reading huge walls about halfway through or earlier so here you go.
Despite the weird neighbor shenanigans, pretty much everything in don's posting points to him being scum. There's that *small* doubt due to the aforementioned shenanigans, but it's not major enough for me to reconsider.
I may ISOskim CooLskins to see what all the fuss is about, but DJ's going to flip scum and it seems like skimming CooLkins would just be wasted effort.
Gotta look for that buddy... again, I might VCA it up to eliminate some possible scumbuddies. I might just post VCA colors up to this point in the next post and then if I get killed overnight (which there's a pretty big chance of, seeing as I'm tracker-semicleared and also about to get scum lynched for the second day in a row) people can finish up the colors for me.
Though honestly it's not that hard - just mass-replacing in MS word.

[Parama]

xvart: because I throw the word "confirmed" around like everyone else throws the word "WIFOM" around
I will go look at CooLskins like I said but I don't expect any shocking revelations. Note that there's a huge difference between the start of D2 and halfway through D4 <_<.

[Parama]

fitz you're voting the wrong neighbor.

[Parama]

xvart is town because DJ is scum. Why the hell would that be any different?
Also, you're asking me why don is scum? Did you even look at my most recent wall-of-text? I MEAN SERIOUSLY.

[Parama]

TWISTED WHO IS YOUR ALT

[Parama]

I've been not posting because I'm too lazy to respond to DJ making my wall-o-text even bigger
Will do stuff tomorrow I guess.

[Parama]

Parama – your scum hunting hasn’t had a good enough strike rate in this game for you not to bother putting forth a case on any target

And you're acting like you've done any better?
And you're going to assume I had no case even though I said I'd type one up?

Where does all this leave me?

Vote: CooLskins

Partly PoE because I don't think either neighbour is scum, and havingfitz's weakening of his slot's scum read on Zodiark doesn't fit with bussing, so I've softened on him. Looking more at CooLskins, these points look good reasons to vote him:

Um, just wondering, didn't you have me listed as your #2 scumpick? What happened to that?

* bonus: pretty sure only one of CooLskins and don_johnson is scum based on the way they've been arguing, so it makes sense to lynch one of the two, and CooLskins looks scummier to me

oh look something in thiss godforsaken thread that comes off a slightly town.

Fine...based primarily on his vote outside of his three person lynch pool I'll accept his suspicion. If he flips scum neighbor I'll apologize to confirmed town xvart be he dead or alive. don scum will point to dselby IMO. don town should focus attention on xvart.

VOTE: don_johnson

"I think you have one valid point and the rest aren't that valid but I'm not going to say why they aren't valid."
meh. kinda looks like scum who knows when their buddy is screwed so they bus for great justice and town cred. kinda.

LEMME ADD TO THAT THERE WALL OF TEXT WAR OLOLOLOLOL
IT'S GODDAMN ISO TIME. THIS POST IS DJ-ISO.

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

"Excuse me while I pay lip service to a mislynch wagon without actually bringing up any points or voting. I can just claim this post was a joke sort of thing and it's all good, but it will likely get more people voting Beck"

i was not part of the quick lynch on a town power role. my comment came well before the scumminess occurred.

BZZT, you're arguing that "no sense of a humor" is a scumtell, so you're saying you saw something scummy in him when you made your comment.

vote: celebloki

Stupid hammer was stupid.

Hmm... I remember another play who was all "lynch Celebloki his hammer was bad." Zodiark, I think his name was.
Hmm... and Celebloki flipped town... and Zodiark flipped scum... HMMM.

his hammer was bad. he hammered a claimed power role early. this also fits with why i was sympathetic to the zodiark "contradiction".

Town can claim power roles
Mafia can claim power roles
Your point?
Also what does this have to do with Zod's contradiction?

what waffle? i wasn't even around when the lynch was carried through. i never voted beck, and i never backed off on my stance that the wagon was good(cause beck was quicklynched.) my stance can hardly be described as a waffle. i demand you choose better verbage.

Oh, so you really weren't making that comment in jest. Well, I'm glad you didn't jump on a wagon that you thought was good.

see, i can do it to. silly parama, the beck wagon was good when i said it was good. later, it turned ugly. not my fault. last i heard, not mislynching townies is a town tell.

So the wagon was good, then it became bad, even though Beck's alignment didn't change during the timespan.
And again you're missing the point. You paid lip service to the wagon, which helped carry it forward to at least some degree. Don't act like you're completely innocent just because you didn't vote.

i don't recall you tieing me to beck, at all. i really wasn't paying much attention through day 1 and my support for the beck wagon was because "he had no sense of humor." in my experience, scum often lack a sense of humor when they are wagoned relentlessly. having not been paying too much attention, however, i wasn't ready to vote. regardless of scum or town, the beck wagon looked like it was going to move and movement produces content which is good for town. i didn't expect a lynch to go through so quick and i don't think any of the players who were not present can hold any of the responsibility for that. the wagon was bad.

1. "lack of a sense of humor" isn't a scumtell
2. link me some games?
3. so you knew enough to know that there was a wagon on Beck, and that he lacked a sense of humor, one of your "scumtells", yet you "weren't paying enough attention" to justify voting him? BS.

1. we disagree.
2. no. that's mildly retarded. if you want to sift through my games, feel free. i don't live in the past.
3. no bs. but i guess all i can do is say what i say. you are obviously tunneled at this point(or like, a week ago.) and yet, you're still alive even though i pointed out the blatant connection between you and bob early on. and bob lived the night after that as well. hm. if you are town, you should start using your brain.

1. thanks for the elaboration
2. thank for not even attempting to prove your own argument
3. um yes I am tunneling. tunneling on scum is how you get them lynched.

unvote

celbloks answer is adequate for now. for someone so seemingly eager to talk to me in the qt, xvart sure is taking his sweet time in responding to my response. didn't have a chance to catch up yet, but i will get to it asap.

Literally NOTHING changed between this post and DJ's last - Celebloki still didn't try to defend his hammer, which is the reason DJ called him out in the first place.

except of course his answer. which i described as "adequate for now". so yeah, other than his response, nothing else changed.

and didn't say why it was adequate.

Frankly, Celebloki's response IS pro-town

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOFLOLOLOFLOLFOLOLFOFLFOFLFOFLFLFOL!!!!

I never said I disagreed with the argument that Cele's post reeked town. I'm pointing out that you didn't even say what you felt was town about his post - you just said "herp derp it's adequate."

, but for another reason - it's not that he's doesn't want to defend his hammer, but that he's willing to admit that he can't defend it.

herp derp, hence the unvote by dj and dj saying "anser is adequate". seriously, did you edit this post before you hit submit?

herp derp, still missing the point, look up.

Scum make up the excuse because if they don't make an excuse then they think they'll be lynched for it. I'm not sure if DJ picked up on this or not, but "his post was adequate" implies that Cele met the criteria DJ was looking for, even though it's obvious that Cele intentionally refused to meet this criteria.

say what now? you just said "nothing changed". then you say "except when blok responded with a pro-town response." but "dj unvoted even though nothing changed". "except that blok laid a protown response." so lets get this straight:

dj voted.
blok responded with a protown post.
dj unvoted.

kthxbye.

dj didn't say a word about how the post was pro-town, hence the point. again. I'm a goddamn broken record.

Why? Bloks post was ok. Leaving my vote on accomplishes nothing.

And this post is basically the same thing. Why was his post OK? Because DJ knows Celebloki is town and doesn't need an excuse beyond that? Hmmph.

or because blok's post was protown, and dj pointed that out by unvoting and saying the post was "adequate".

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF YOU YOU'RE MISSING THE ENTIRE GODDAMN POINT AND I KNOW YOU'RE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THE POINT IS

To whose "legitimate" requests are you referring? Skins? I think I had what, 5 posts on day 1? I didnt quicklynch anyone and end the day early.

This is the goddamn nail in the coffin IMO. "Well EXCUSE MEEEE, PRINCESS, but

I

didn't vote on the quicklynch wagon, even though I

DID

pay lip service to it, calling it a good wagon, making me at least partly responsible for the lynch even if I didn't take part in it."

uh. no. not responsible AT FUCKING ALL. I was nowhere near this thread while you idiots were lynching a claimed fucking power role. so sorry. my "beck wagon is good" came before the claim. lynching a claimed town power role without a counterclaim on day one is dumb. everyone who participated in the lynch after the claim is dumb. are we clear?

YOU WEREN'T VOTING, BUT YOU ADDED FUEL TO THE FIRE. A LACK OF VOTE DOESN'T MAKE YOU INNOCENT.
BROKEN RECORDS INC. PROUDLY PRESENTS: THIS. FREAKING. POST.

when i received my pm i opened it, saw i was neighbors with xvart and then went to click on the link to the qt. as i scrolled over it, i notice it said it was a link to the scum qt. i immediately pm'd the mod to say "hey, am i scum? or if not, do you realize you sent me a link to the wrong qt.(paraphrased)" mod pm'd me back and said, "no, you are town and the qt is not a mistake, i just forgot to change the label." so i clicked on the link and day had already started. i ask if yours had the same mistake and you say no. but i'm not going to pm hunt you as i think its a bad idea, and if you are town it could end up in two mislynches. you seem to be looking at events objectively.

Eh... technically this means there's at least one difference between the two role PMs besides the rolename... but the other part says that "well why the hell would DJ bring this up if he was scum and knew xvart wouldn't have the same PM as him?"
But meh, mod WIFOM stuff and I dunno. I'm actually unsure what to make of this :/ This is turning out to be a more confusing read than I expected.

read better.

la dee do dah

unvote, vote bobsnox

This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.

snox is reading town today as well as xvart.

Okay, so DJ, I want a complete list of everything that made you change your mind on bobsnox. IN QUOTES-FROM-YOUR-ISO-ONLY form. Because I don't see it - D2, you say "bobsnox town" and then D3 you're "bobsnox isn't confirmed and Parama's defending him also bobsnox hasn't been playing pro-town" and it's more the "bobsnox hasn't been playing pro-town" part that irks me because you said the opposite on the previous day but "xvart said it and I know he's town so now I should change my mind too" seems like the scum train of thought DJ was having here.

i'd have to work on that. can't now. not sure what the issue is with changing a read.

just because i voted bob doesn't mean i would have lynched him

(especially since i specifically stated that i wouldn't) and my suspicion was laid out in my posts. you guys were acting like masons. that confused me. when you were both alive the next day, that made no sense to me. scum generally kill players who confirm other players and both you and bob were confirming each other. and if you recall, i believe bob helped lynch a claimed power role on day 1, so yeah, he wasn't exactly playing "pro-town". this is also pre-zodiark flip.

the bolded
but but
you DO know what the
entire point of
voting
is


right?



NO. I AM DONE. WITH. YOUR. CRAP. I REFUSE TO KEEP RESPONDING TO A BRICK WALL MADE OF SCUM-COVERED BLOCKS THAT KNOW HE'S CAUGHT AND ISN'T TRYING TO HIDE IT ANYMORE.

now we have 3 competing wagons.

which means we have a wagon on town.
3 competing wagons isn't a good thing y'know.
I had more stuff I wanted to say but honestly dj's crappost sapped all my motivation to read.

[Parama]

In other wordz, your going to use that giant AtE as an excuse to avoid everything else in this thread.

hahahahahahahaha no. I will get to the worth-my-time stuff after you're lynched and flip scum.

[Parama]

so we have 3v3 fitz and dj
with fitz as the swing vote.
this may actually be a good thing.
actually no.

unvote

I really should read to see why people are jumping on fitz all of the sudden, so this is to prevent hammers that won't happen anyways but whatever.

[Parama]

goddammit
it's CooL/des isn't it
isn't it
just kill me tonight or something scum I don't want to deal with this crap
hell
damn
sigh

[Parama]

YOU ARE ALL WHORES
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

MAN I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE.
dj could be scum but the only logical partner is deselby, and even that seems unlikely.
CooLskins/deselby is the only other scumteam that makes much sense to me. The problem is that while I feel dj or CooLskins are both more likely to be scum, deselby being in both teams makes him a better lynch. There's a small outlying chance that xvart is scum, but out of the remaining players he's probably towniest on my list. And it's not like deselby couldn't be scum with him either.
I almost want to say dj is likely to be town simply because there's very little chance he could be scum with any living player. Even though his actions are independently the most scummy out of any living player... it just doesn't work out. He's not scum with CooLskins because there's no way in hell two separate scum wagons were being pushed yesterday. He's not scum with xvart because scum don't claim neighbors with each other, they claim masons. And he's probably not scum with deselby due to how deselby put him at L-1 multiple times yesterday - seems a bit more than bussing. Then again, if desel is scum, he did basically the same thing to Zod so. I'm not ruling out the last combination, but it still seems unlikely.
I actually don't know the case on CooLskins too well, which means I really REALLY need to ISO him today. I may read through imag's ISO as well, though the issue is that all that NK-WIFOM stuff can be brought into play v_v

Seriously now. This game is the trainwreck that never should've been <.<

I'm actually going to be pretty busy today, so I won't have much time to read up until tomorrow. Don't quicklynch while I'm gone please.

[Parama]

You have got to be kidding me. NOTHING? REALLY GUYS?
*sigh*

[Parama]

vote: don

You guys know why. Don/des scum team is where I am at.

~CooLDoG

Because it's the only scumteam theory that'll save your butt?

This game is the trainwreck that never should've been <.<

lol. You said this would happen here.

Holy crap, I am amazing.
Umm... the winning lottery numbers for this week are...

xvart I really don't think you're right. Well you're almost certainly half right but.. I'd say not completely right. $10 says des comes in and puts DJ at L-1 in his first post.

[Parama]

Dammit, I owe someone $10 now. Uh... who wants it?
Also sorry sorry for not putting anything up today... been super lazy as usual. I'll go read back ASAP.

[Parama]

vote: don_johnson

[Parama]

God we are so pro.

[Parama]

I want to punch you for not voting in your first post. I even prodded you to do so and you didn't vote.

Also, would you guys believe that the zodiark lynch was completely planned out from the start? Kekekeke.

[Parama]

So des how was your day? I've been pretty bored myself. Not much to do during the summer :<

[Parama]

You could've easily slipped on the wagon without it looking like a scum attempt at a quickhammer. I had my top scumpair lined up that way for a reason xP

Also, post 666. Yayayayay.
P-EDIT: Dammit des you stole my 666.

[Parama]

Perpetual mini normal says I have to sign up for another game now... meh, this is a terrible time to be doing so, but whatever.

[Parama]

Boy I can't wait for the townies to arrive :3

[Parama]

Man my play was so derptacular this game. I totally didn't push my CONFIRMED SCUM CooLskins read at all.
Also I knew bobsnox was a tracker D2 even though town would've thought cop so yes I should've doubted his claim a bit more after he claimed tracker but I was too oblivious to notice. People picked up on it too and I'm surprised I wasn't lynched for it but hey I'm not complaining.

Also: This game was a beautiful example of EVERY SINGLE THING going scum's way. Beck got lynched after his claim. We caught both town PRs visiting me N1. Perfect bus lead to town in-fighting on the following days. Didn't even have to try and push a mislynch at LyLo.

[Parama]

But really guys. One thing about my scum play is that I bus like hell. Scum try to use that against me when I nail their scumbuddies D1 - it's happened multiple times xD

[Parama]

Oh and: Zod did make the kill N2. bobsnox just got jailkept. Add that to the list of things that totally went scum's way.

[Parama]

Oh and fuck you all if you think I'm taking advice on my NK, if you think that's going to happen you better just lynch me now. I follow my own scum hunting, not anyone else.

[Parama]

Yeah basically had to get Beck lynched because he'd have shot me for his retarded reason. Worked out fine though.

[Parama]

iagreecompletely.jpg

one of the two things I did wrong.

[Parama]

I totally let you guys RVS me, that's kinda like painting a target on your back right?

[Parama]

oh and yep both neighbors were town.

[Parama]

dead qt plz

[Parama]

see, this is why image was killed.
Also we killed Surye because he probably wasn't getting lynched and he was one of the more competent players anyways.

[Parama]

[Parama]

I'm so popular at night.

(make your own jokes here if you want)