Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia. (Game Over)

[Beck]

/confirm

[Beck]

This is my first game on site actually but I've played forum mafia before elsewhere

[Beck]

just to be clear, a hydra is 2 people playing under 1 account?

that is what it looks like based of the 2 confirms by the same person.

i think it is weird personally but I will give it a shot, its hard to read 2 different people/opinions playing the same account but whatever.

as for me, don't worry about me, i will do just fine.

[Beck]

vote haschel

for not sharing the popcorn

[Beck]

@the skins part of the hydra, redskin fan?

[Beck]

vote don

[Beck]

Only don on the player list. Do I have to type the whole name?

*No. As long as the abbreviation is clear I have no problem. - HP

vote don_johnson

[Beck]

are mini normals usually this slow in RVS?

Good question.

Where I normally play we would be on page 12 already if we didn't already have a lynch.

[Beck]

So to get some discussion going, Don I find it just s tad interesting that you post shortly after I vote for you, especially since your post was to clarify which don I voted for.

Also Don, you seem to be posting elsewhere on site but not posting in here during the same time frame. I could understand a lack of time excuse if we were actually debating or discussing something heavy, but thats not the case here.

Any reason why you aren't posting in here?

[Beck]

@ don, those last 2 were supposed to be together, I was trying to find out what your reason was, because a "too busy" wouldn't have been believed by me.

you don't really have one so I'll just take note and move on for now, another vote on para should add some fireworks

vote para

[Beck]

see I knew my vote would get some discussion going,m mission accomplished.

I don't buy the whole OMG look at these 2 people voted so one of them must be scum, so I cant answer the question that was asked, why is skinshydra scum because I don't know if they are scum or not and I am not scum so if skins flips town, that will prove to be one of the most stupidist comment made thus far, but seeing it came from the person who has the wagon on them, i don't hold much water to it.

note to parama - don't go making up percentages unless you can back it up with games on site, the fact that 2 people "double rvs'd" as you put it makes one of them 100% scum is complete horseshit.

my vote is firm on you, your reaction to your wagon is horrible.

[Beck]

simple really:

1) wishywashy in vote stages. Votes for hasc, then all of a sudden votes for don.
2) hops on biggest wagon that already has 4 peple on it. Which is plenty big for an rvs wagon
3) His votes don't contribute to the game. Hasc had 2 votes on him when he unvoted to a wagon that had no votes.
4) piggy-backing with an apparently experienced (I full heatedly deny this ) player to gain town credit.
5) doesn't seem to understand the magnitude of his vote.

I argue that your wagon has produced valued information. It exposed that all beck wants is a lynch and to appear town.

unvote, vote: beck

1. my vote on hasc was rvs, my vote on don had a reason, if you read my follow up posts you will see what that reason was, my vote on para was so obvious, it's not even funny. we are talking about how there is no activity, so I say in my post with my vote, that my vote will generate discussion, and OMG guess what..... IT DID.
2. I hopped on the wagon to get the game moving, the best way to do that is to get a serious wagon gooing
3. opinionated statement
4. lol you are pretty full of yourself
5. I absolutely understood the magnitude of my vote, I knew it placed him at L-2 and I knew it would generate attention to get discussion going, which it did. Mission accomplished.

[Beck]

@bob, what do you think of both my and beck's hop onto the parama wagon?

Beck seems like a newb. Kinda scummy for the "fireworks" comment.

I don't have a problem with your hop. I like your #74.

by fireworks, it was obvious that meant discussion. clearly I was putting the attention on myself, why do you think that is scummy?

[Beck]

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

I have a great sense of humor

bob, I asked you a question, could you please answer.

[Beck]

you don't really have one so I'll just take note and move on for now, another vote on para should add some fireworks

vote para

This is scummy. Taking note? Do you believe it or not? Is he lying or not? Is it a scumtell or not? From what I've seen so far it appears that this would be a justified reason to keep you vote at this stage in the game yet you go for fireworks?

see I knew my vote would get some discussion going,m mission accomplished.

I don't buy this.

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

don is partners with Beck.

VOTE: Beck

Parama's reaction and follow up to his wagon is town in my eyes.

yes I take mental notes to use later in the game, assuming I make it to later in the game. I don't know if he is lying and it surely isn't enough to say if it is a scumtell. he is somebody I am keeping my eye on though.

I'm sorry you don't buy it but it's the truth. The game was stale and boring, I was about to log out and never return because I was so damn bored, so in order to get the game going I decided to force the hand a little bit.

how does that comment make him partners with me? I don't understand? I don't even understand how don can even say I have no sense of humor, I thought my rvs vote for sharing snacks was quite witty.

Parama's reaction to his wagon was HORRIBLE, I don't know what the heck you are thinking if you actually think that reaction was genuine town. He immediately starts deflecting off himself by calling out multiple people.

1. he declares one of coolskins or myself is scum, 100% guaranteed and he is 80% he has caught a second (@ Parama, i'd like a link to 2 or 3 games on site that can support this scum tell please, if yuo are unable to provide such links than your 100% nonsense is horseshit)
2. he starts calling out lurkers or inactive posters to get the attention off himself
3. he starts asking people to explain why somebody is scum or town, wether they actually believe that person is or not. It is way to early in the game for me personally to have strong scum or town reads on anyone
4. he honestly advocates a policy lynch, which in my opinion is a horrible reason to lynch anyone (though this isn't a scumtell, it's just a stupidtell. policy lynches are lame)

off to work.

[Beck]

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

If my wagon is so good, why are you not on it?

[Beck]

@desel, I didn't wagon him cause of the comment, that comment came after my vote. My vote accomplished exactly what I wanted it to. Discussions. It also gave me more than what I was hoping for, reactions.


Where I play normally, im always the most active poster, I post 200 more posts than anyone else. But those games also move quicker and we never end the rvs style joking and we hold discussions about other things in the middle of the game.

Day 1 would already be over, day phases never last more than 5 RL days so for me this is boring, but the skill of players here are much better which is why I finally joined. I just have to adjust my expectations a bit.

If parama can support his percentage claim with evidence, than he may be on to something but to declare it 100% certainty is almost always an embelishment.

[Beck]

@desel, I didn't wagon him cause of the comment, that comment came after my vote. My vote accomplished exactly what I wanted it to. Discussions. It also gave me more than what I was hoping for, reactions.

Not quite what i meant. You say youwagonned parama to see reactions, then you disregard ("don't hold water to") his reaction, saying, in essence, that because he had a wagon, his reactions are not useful.

You are drawing too many conclusions. That lone statement without any supporting evidence is just his opinion, an opinionated statement doesn't hold any water in my opinion.

If he can prove that 100% of the time, scum will double vote like than, than it becomes a factual statement and I'll change my vote to coonskins.

His reaction to his wagon and my interpretation of his reaction is something completely different.

[Beck]

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

I have a great sense of humor

bob, I asked you a question, could you please answer.

#86? I don't understand the question. How were you putting attention on yourself?

Ok let's try this

Before i go any further, please explain what you thought my firework comment meant.

[Beck]

"My vote on Parama will rile people up"

Ok so if your interpretation if my comment is that, and I said I brought attention to myself

Why ask a rhetorical question?

My vote was to get discussion going, aka "rile people up" using your interpretation.


You said that comment was scummy earlier, why is riling people up on purpose scummy?

[Beck]

Because of the timing, the manner in which you voted Parama, etc. Besides, I'm not convinced you meant to bring attention to yourself. I think you're revising history here. The end result was more attention on you, but I don't think it was intentional on your part. Certainly it hasn't been good attention.

So you honestly think I made a statement like that thinking it would go unnoticed?

Sure the attention has been negative, I figured people would jump all over me, so far it's gone exactly how I have planned and if/when I eventually die (by lynch or by maf/SK/vig kill) I'll leave the game with no regrets.

What I have provided is 2 serious wagons, one on parama and one on me.

Perfect for VCA later in the game.

[Beck]

So for record keeping later

Parama wagon: Bob, kondi, xvart, Coolskins, beck

My wagon: Coolskins, Bob, surye, xvert, parama

[Beck]

Btw, in the future you may want to announce when you put somebody at L-1

Soneone not paying attention may inadvertently hammer me

P. Edit - I never claimed to start the parama wagon, what my vote did (according to some post) was turn that wagon into a serious one, when a person hits L-2 it's a real wagon IMO.

[Beck]

And you say wifom like it's a negative thing, I can assure you 100% wifom isn't a scum tell(and yes I can provide proof for my 100% statement, unlike parama for his)

[Beck]

RVS

Unvote

@kondi, were you aware you put Beck at L-1?

Yea. He listed the 5 people that were already voting for him, so I knew he was at L2.

And you say wifom like it's a negative thing, I can assure you 100% wifom isn't a scum tell(and yes I can provide proof for my 100% statement, unlike parama for his)

Proof please. Claim please.

it's mentioned in this thread that it isn't a scumtell, just a buzzword thrown around - http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ilit=wifom

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ilit=wifom - it's talked about in here also

I really can't believe I am at L-1 and asking to be claimed, I did probably the most beneficial thing to get this game going and now I am about to be lynched.

claim: one shot vigilante.

[Beck]

I don't think that vote count is right, by my count I was at L-1

*You're right. I missed Parama's vote at the end of the long post (to the right). - HP

[Beck]

OSV in a 13p?
pssh. all that would do is waste a lynch for the town. I see no reason to change my vote.

So you are fine lynching a town PR? Nice job. I knew I was right about you.

[Beck]

You're not a town PR.

I'm sorry, Vig is a town PR, what mafia have you played?

I gurantee when this game went through the approval process the setup committe counted it as a town role too

[Beck]

He is worried I'm going to shoot him tonight, so he wants me lynched.

P. Edit, not to toot my own horn but I'm the ONLY ONE who has done anything pro town

That putting parama at L-2 was the best thing to happen for town. Learn 2 play or be less obvious as scum, not sure which side you are on yet so not sure which one applies to you.

[Beck]

Oh and fuck you all if you think I'm taking advice on my NK, if you think that's going to happen you better just lynch me now. I follow my own scum hunting, not anyone else.

[Beck]

If you can agree on a nk for me, that should be the person we lynch idiot

[Beck]

@bob please I hope you are scum, if you are town you really need to re-read, I seriously am the most pro so far.

Like I said earlier, we got a serious wagon to bring the game out of rvs and than we got a follow up wagon

The odds are (depending on parama's allignment ) there is scum on both wagons.

If parama is scum, well there is still probably scum on both wagons.

[Beck]

Why should I let my kill be guided? Scum is going to try to get me to kill a townie.

If they are convincing enough, they win night 1

[Beck]

Parama I was referring to somebody else with that learn 2 play comment

And my care cup is empty with your awards and what you have done before this game.

[Beck]

If you can

all

agree, excluding the person chosen of course, I'll let you pick my nk

Against my personal beleive obviously, I'll oblige so I can use my action


I'll be useless any other night

[Beck]

Why should I let my kill be guided? Scum is going to try to get me to kill a townie.

If they are convincing enough, they win night 1

There are more town than scum in this game. That means there are more townies who would direct the kill than scum.

What the... How would they win night one anyway?

2 town deaths gives them a win of night 1, not a win of the game. Sorry I wasn't clear

[Beck]

If you can

all

agree, excluding the person chosen of course, I'll let you pick my nk

Against my personal beleive obviously, I'll oblige so I can use my action


I'll be useless any other night

This is a complete 180 from "fuck you". Scum is calming down and trying to regain control.

Well yeah cause I don't want to be lynched. I'm against being guided but if it's an ultimatum, I really have no choice

P.edit

Remember who was on each wagon

Town fails

[Beck]

You can learn a lot about who was on each wagon

Thanks for again proving you don't know how to play

[Beck]

Final post

Bah. GO TOWN

[Beck]

Parama was obvious maf day 1, can't beleive you fell for it.

[Beck]

Yeah regardless of that post, the fact I changed my stance was reason enough not to lynch me.

Town wasn't thinking straight. I mean this was my first game on site and nobody stopped to consider that, they just said fuck him.

I mean my role was confirmable.

What was really sad is I probably wouldn't have chosen you parama. And actually day 1 I was 50/50 on you
It was day 2, your first post where you became obvious

[Beck]

Dont know how to make this not sound snarky but here goes anyway

for the record, when a person purposely puts a target on their own back, they are almost always town

Anyone who puts a person to l-2 and says let's start fireworks, knows they are going to get shit for it.

The best thing I did was move a stale game out of rvs and point out parama was full of shit. And the thanks I got was a noose.

Congrats mafia. This town didn't deserve the win anyway

[Beck]

This was definitely a learning game for me.

[Beck]

Oh and I have never been a vig ever so that's why I was like FU, sad part was it was either parama or Hrez as my n1

Nobody would have chosen parama anyway so essentially I would have helped mafia end the game sooner if I didn't get lynched

P.edit - I dunno about that

Rvs wagons don't mean anything to me, but again I'm new

[Beck]

I thought u were scum Dj

[Beck]

I hate neighbors btw

[Beck]

Why did u quick hammer?

[Beck]

Re-reading day one, celeb and Surye hands down the worst players day 1

Celeb's hammer was atrocious.

Also mod's final vote count showed me voting for myself, instead it should have been bob. Not that it really matters
Parama, why did you kill Surye?

[Beck]

Idk, I thought Surye would have had people try to lynch him.

[Beck]

Well when you brag like you do, you sort of bring it on yourself.

[Beck]

Eagerly awaiting to read your notes

[Beck]

Eagerly awaiting to read your notes

Please don't forget us

[Beck]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOO

CooLskins and Beck just both double RVSed. There is a 100% chance at least one is scum.
Hrezs has posted and isn't voting. There is an 80% chance he is scum.
Surye hasn't posted yet outside of confirmation and I'd like the mod to unofficially prod him. There is a 100% chance he will post following that prod.
kondi is still a totally good policy lynch. There is a 50% chance I will keep my vote on him after this post.
This game's only on page three. It's impossible for me to have caught all the scum at this point, but there is an 80% chance that 2 of the 3 players I have mentioned are scum, and a 100% chance that at least one is.

This wagon isn't helpful at all.

CooLskins, why is Beck scum?
Beck, why is CooLskins scum?
Hrezs, why is kondi town?
bobsnox, why is blue?

see I knew my vote would get some discussion going,m mission accomplished.

I don't buy the whole OMG look at these 2 people voted so one of them must be scum, so I cant answer the question that was asked, why is skinshydra scum because I don't know if they are scum or not and I am not scum so if skins flips town, that will prove to be one of the most stupidist comment made thus far, but seeing it came from the person who has the wagon on them, i don't hold much water to it.

note to parama - don't go making up percentages unless you can back it up with games on site, the fact that 2 people "double rvs'd" as you put it makes one of them 100% scum is complete horseshit.

my vote is firm on you, your reaction to your wagon is horrible.

you don't really have one so I'll just take note and move on for now, another vote on para should add some fireworks

vote para

This is scummy. Taking note? Do you believe it or not? Is he lying or not? Is it a scumtell or not? From what I've seen so far it appears that this would be a justified reason to keep you vote at this stage in the game yet you go for fireworks?

see I knew my vote would get some discussion going,m mission accomplished.

I don't buy this.

beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.

don is partners with Beck.

VOTE: Beck

Parama's reaction and follow up to his wagon is town in my eyes.

yes I take mental notes to use later in the game, assuming I make it to later in the game. I don't know if he is lying and it surely isn't enough to say if it is a scumtell. he is somebody I am keeping my eye on though.

I'm sorry you don't buy it but it's the truth. The game was stale and boring, I was about to log out and never return because I was so damn bored, so in order to get the game going I decided to force the hand a little bit.

how does that comment make him partners with me? I don't understand? I don't even understand how don can even say I have no sense of humor, I thought my rvs vote for sharing snacks was quite witty.

Parama's reaction to his wagon was HORRIBLE, I don't know what the heck you are thinking if you actually think that reaction was genuine town. He immediately starts deflecting off himself by calling out multiple people.

1. he declares one of coolskins or myself is scum, 100% guaranteed and he is 80% he has caught a second (@ Parama, i'd like a link to 2 or 3 games on site that can support this scum tell please, if yuo are unable to provide such links than your 100% nonsense is horseshit)
2. he starts calling out lurkers or inactive posters to get the attention off himself
3. he starts asking people to explain why somebody is scum or town, wether they actually believe that person is or not. It is way to early in the game for me personally to have strong scum or town reads on anyone
4. he honestly advocates a policy lynch, which in my opinion is a horrible reason to lynch anyone (though this isn't a scumtell, it's just a stupidtell. policy lynches are lame)

off to work.

@desel, I didn't wagon him cause of the comment, that comment came after my vote. My vote accomplished exactly what I wanted it to. Discussions. It also gave me more than what I was hoping for, reactions.


Where I play normally, im always the most active poster, I post 200 more posts than anyone else. But those games also move quicker and we never end the rvs style joking and we hold discussions about other things in the middle of the game.

Day 1 would already be over, day phases never last more than 5 RL days so for me this is boring, but the skill of players here are much better which is why I finally joined. I just have to adjust my expectations a bit.

If parama can support his percentage claim with evidence, than he may be on to something but to declare it 100% certainty is almost always an embelishment.

@desel, I didn't wagon him cause of the comment, that comment came after my vote. My vote accomplished exactly what I wanted it to. Discussions. It also gave me more than what I was hoping for, reactions.

Not quite what i meant. You say youwagonned parama to see reactions, then you disregard ("don't hold water to") his reaction, saying, in essence, that because he had a wagon, his reactions are not useful.

You are drawing too many conclusions. That lone statement without any supporting evidence is just his opinion, an opinionated statement doesn't hold any water in my opinion.

If he can prove that 100% of the time, scum will double vote like than, than it becomes a factual statement and I'll change my vote to coonskins.

His reaction to his wagon and my interpretation of his reaction is something completely different.

[Beck]

damn sorry didn't mean to post that lol