Open 315 - Quack Mafia (Game Over)

[Empking]

+1 to massclaim

[Empking]

Elfen - Newbie who I wouldn't mind getting vigged.

[Empking]

I protected popsofctown

Why?

[Empking]

I protected popsofctown

Why?

Same as IceGuy, just random

Vote: Don

[Empking]

I protected popsofctown

Why?

Same as IceGuy, just random

Vote: Don

There are three or four people who protected randomly. Why am I so suspicious?

I can't vote all of them. Plus now you've used the "everyone else is doing it" defence.

[Empking]

Is that so bad, really? Come on Emp, a random protect on N1 hardly warrants a vote. And he's right to say that others did it too. I really dislike that vote. You look to me like scum trying to start an easy D1 wagon. So,

FoS: Empking

FoS: Izak

- Being ridiculous, if I wanted an easy wagon I'd vote Glowball.

[Empking]

Ouch. Anyway, hi and stuff.

VOTE: Uncle Pain

Pain is evil. Scum is evil. 1+1=2.

My countdown clock is superior!

You have no justification to vote for Don. There is nothing wrong with a random choice at this point. Whatever the reasoning behind a night action, it can give us valuable information - as is made obvious by the mass action-claim we are doing.

[Empking]

We're clearly out of the RVS and Izak's vote was clearly inside the RVS.

Wrong. Izak is still voting Pain ergo his vote is outside the RVS.

Did you realyl just vote for Don because he randomly targeted someone to protect?

FoS: Sathoris

- Presuming Don is town.

I voted Don because scum are more likely to not put thought in who they'd like to protect.

[Empking]

I voted Don because scum are more likely to not put thought in who they'd like to protect.

If you'd said that the first time I'd be okay with it, but still. Why don over iceguy? Both seem to randomly chose someone to protect.

1. Don did it second
2. Ice is generally useful

Where do you see me presuming don is town? That sentence had the emphasis on your reasoning for a vote instead of Don's innocence in receiving a vote.

You presumed Don had the ability to protect.

[Empking]

The first bit is meaningless, since it's a crap reason for voting anyway.

The second bit is just plain wrong. We need everyone to claim their protect (cough, cough) so that we can try to figure out who the scum are. Of course, the scum will fake something, but just because someone makes a slight assumption in order to ask a question or figure something out, it doesn't mean they are convinced that their assumption is accurate.

No because why would I vote someone for protecting randomly? That makes no sense. Any reasonable person would know that I thought Don didn't protect at all.

Don: Why do you think I'm genuinely scum?

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Izak: Do you deny that town will have thought more about who to protect? Do you deny that claiming a random pick shows less thought?

[Empking]

Scum will have thought about what their fake will be just as much as docs will have thought about who to protect.

See this is complete lying nonsense.

[Empking]

How is it lying nonsense? Scum could easily have taken some time to deliberate over their fake protect-claim.

Wow, so its gone from "will" to "could". Somebody's scum aren't they?

Emp, you look scummier with every post.

Weak scum OMGUS rhetoric.

[Empking]

A slight change in wording makes me scum? WTF? You are saying that a change of ONE WORD makes me scum? This is unbelievable.

Yes. Well that and you changing what you were saying completely but not admitting it. Anything "could" happen. You can't base a vote on what "could" happen.

And again, WTF? I literally mean pretty much every post of yours makes you look scummier.

Does anyone else hear an echo? Almost as if Izak was scum with nothing substantial to say?

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Also, I just realized that Empking and I both protected the same person.

Nice fluff from Don "Protests too much about OMGUS" Josh.

[Empking]

Emp, that's a blatant misrep. Before that post, he had two other posts which were considerably more useful.

You mean two quotes and some overdefensiveness?

[Empking]

Don't weasel out of it. It's a big misrep. They might not have been the most content-filled posts ever, but they were not fluff. So you have no reason to say he's posting fluff when you are ignoring the previous two posts.

Was the post I quoted fluff? Y/N?

If yes then there was no misrep.

[Empking]

The post you quoted did not add to the discussion, no. But you were still misrepping

him

quite significantly.

No because he's never added anything to this game.

He had

obviously

just added that post as an afterthought, after two other posts. So even if that post is fluff, he is not generally posting fluff. Making your point meaningless.

Do you deny that the post you quoted was clearly an afterthought?

No and I never said otherwise.

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Yeah, so he's not as big a contributor as some of us. But if you're going to have a go at people for that, take a look at Uncle Pain. Or forest_air. Or popsofctown. Or jilynne. All of them have been less use than Don. So misrep or no misrep, you are again doing this horribly wrong.

Posting fluff > Posting nothing in the scumminess stakes.

Even if it wasn't its own post the randomness and irrelevance would still be scummy. Give me a town motive for posting it.

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Yeah, so he's not as big a contributor as some of us. But if you're going to have a go at people for that, take a look at Uncle Pain. Or forest_air. Or popsofctown. Or jilynne. All of them have been less use than Don. So misrep or no misrep, you are again doing this horribly wrong.

Posting fluff > Posting nothing in the scumminess stakes.

Even if it wasn't its own post the randomness and irrelevance would still be scummy. Give me a town motive for posting it.

I posted it to see if you would nitpick about it and avoid my real points,

Anybody buying this? Anybody?

(Seriously the trap excuse, seriously?)

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It doesn't matter. Emp, you are completely missing the point. While Don may have made one fluff post, which was an afterthought once he had made two other posts, there are several people who have contributed far less. I'd say four of them. So seriously, drop it, unless you're going to attack all of them as well.

Posting fluff > Posting nothing in the scumminess stakes.

[Empking]

Mod: If you replace Forest can you ask Glork to replace in just for the Lulz

Pain: Do you honestly think that people put as much effort in what they pretend to do as what they actually do? Especially if Don didn't know we'd be massclaiming? Ice gave Don permission to wimp out on giving a reason for his protect, so from Don's POV as scum there was no need to make up a reason.

[Empking]

Don: What do you want me to respond to. Even if you were town all you were saying was that you disagreed with me about whether two very scummy things were scummy. That doesn't merit a response.

[Empking]

Don has a point. Even though I'm not buying this trap idea, Emp was avoiding the questions.

What questions?

[Empking]

I think Empking is scum because of his excessive attacks with BS reasoning. For example:

How is it lying nonsense? Scum could easily have taken some time to deliberate over their fake protect-claim.

Wow, so its gone from "will" to "could". Somebody's scum aren't they?

Explain your reasoning.

He was moving the goalposts without admitting it.

[Empking]

Also, this thread is fucking annoying to read. Thanks Emp.

Why?

[Empking]

UP: Quacks do nothing to Mafia. Are you taking that into account?

[Empking]

UP: Quacks do nothing to Mafia. Are you taking that into account?

This has nothing to do with the claims. I did a PoE analysis on the claims in comparison with their numbers, regardless of what the roles can actually do.

How did you clear Pop?

[Empking]

Unless a doctor protected the quack's target too, of course.

But what's a weak cop?

Cop who dies if they target scum.

[Empking]

I think we should have multiple people protecting forest.

[Empking]

Fair enough. I know I'm town and I'll protect Forest so he'll live anyway.

Unless you're a quack.

[Empking]

I can go with a Don lynch. What are the optimum night actions?

[Empking]

I think we should use the Quack.

[Empking]

We shouldn't choose based on probability. Forest shouldn't be put at risk.

[Empking]

I also think the odds are twice what pops claims.

[Empking]

Izak; Maybe
Sathoris: No.

[Empking]

Pops has a point (Uncle could be shot too!), but I can't see a better way right now.

@Emp first, how would we be putting forest at risk? Second, even if he died, wouldn't we still gain good info?
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Unless its the two quack scenario.

[Empking]

Did you know?

The day still isn't over?

[Empking]

Since we have an almost universally agreed upon lynch at L-1, a strategy for the Night and everything that is going on in this thread is back-and-forth without any new insights...

...can somebody finally hammer?

This is good town posting.