Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[Bub Bidderskins]

Vote: StrangerCoug

Prediction: before this game is over, somebody will accidentally vote for a scum suspect.

[Bub Bidderskins]

@Parama, thanks for the new signature.

[Bub Bidderskins]

For the sake of fair voting, I am not going to participate in RVS.

What do you mean "fair voting"?

[Bub Bidderskins]

For the sake of fair voting, I am not going to participate in RVS.

What do you mean "fair voting"?

Voting with some evidence behind it in this game, not of previous games, or how we knew that player in previous games or posts that are not in this game's thread.
All roles are assigned randomly, so one who is known for being scummy from overall games is not neccessarily scummy. RVS as interpreted by me is a random voting stage, where there is no true backing to a vote. I want to wait until we get at least through the second page so I can produce some quality reads before I vote. Basically I am just not voting at the moment.

Just because you don't want to vote for somebody doesn't mean you can't contribute to the discussion. Generally, I find it scummy for people to basically come up and post: "Hey guys, not going to take part in the RVS right now. Peace out." not because of them not wanting to random vote, but because it doesn't contribute anything to scumhunting or move the game forward at all in a meaningfull way. I agree with Parama, Awesoma is not going to get revived any time soon.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Right now, either Stranger or Parama would be a good revive. Doesn't really matter which one today because we can just revive the other one tomorrow.

[Bub Bidderskins]

[quote="Parama"7. ToastyToast
-No clue.

, being a new player who fails at being obvtown sux.

Vote:Pomegranate

because there was this one time where I got really thirsty and drank a whole bottle of pomegranate juice, then spent the rest of the day throwing up.

^^Pretty sure this is a random vote because it doesn't have anything to do with past games. @Awesoma: does it matter to you that some people are placing votes that "aren't random"?[/quote]

Okay, toasty's worse than awesome. At least awesome was somewhat naive about what was happening. Toasty just comes in and makes a totally random vote while realizing that people are not making random votes. That kind of behaviour's counter-productive to the town.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, that quote totally screwed up and it looks like I accidentally voted for Pom

unvote; vote: Strangercoug

[Bub Bidderskins]

Arg! Stop quoting that post; it's busted.

[Bub Bidderskins]

If you do that, can we still revive somebody else?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Personally, I'd wait until Day 0.75 to use it. There aren't going to be any night kills in the meantime, and at that point you'll have the most information possible without risking your death.

Toasty is anti-town but not scum. Scum aren't that obnoxious. But either way he's at the bottom of the revive list.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Unless you have vastly improved since your last scum game I played with you(no offense, you still won) then you are town.

Town: Bub, Toasty, Parama

Scum: Probably One of AntB/Awesoma

-AntB scum=Awesoma town and Bobs town
-AntB town=Possibly Awesoma scum

No offense taken.

Anyway, even though I think toasty's prob town, we should not revive him. He'd just be a hinderence. However, if later in the game we need to revive somebody to win, then we can just revive him. He'd be good as a sort of saftey option.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I haven't read Toasty's games, and I don't see the anti-town either. And quite frankly, I find the speed at which the Par-wagon built ... worrying. For now, Parama, StrangerCoug, and Awesoma are my top three scumspects (ugly wagon, ugly self-vote, and ugly Par-vote, respectively), so:

UNVOTE: StrangerCoug
VOTE: Slaxx

(Slaxx is pretty well conftown; his power is unfakeable.)

We shouldn't revive him, though, because he's just going to use his power and die in anyway (unless he must be alive to use it, that is). Also, even though it may be unfakeable, keep in mind that as a town we have no power to kill, only to revive. If we revive him we can't just kill him off if he's lying (unless there's some vig role). While I don't think he's lying, it's just something we need to keep in mind.

[Bub Bidderskins]

My previous post (damn ninja) was me being a dick and not reading slaxx's claim fully. According to his claim he must be

alive

during the day phases. Not in limbo.

unvote; vote: slaxx

[Bub Bidderskins]

Gah, my head is mush.

[Bub Bidderskins]

We don't lynch people during the day; we revive people from limbo. The town as a whole doesn't actually have the power to kill, though there may be a vig somewhere.

[Bub Bidderskins]

It's reverse mafia; you have to think backwards.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, I am not voting for anybody until all of the players have got a chance to post content. Going into D-1 the only info we will have is what was set in these first three "days". I do not want Day 0.75 to end until every player has contributed a decent amount.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Channel read my mind.

I'm that good. -Mod

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm thinking that probably the best revival at this point is SC, because if he's town he'll scumhunt. but I should probably iso him first, just to get a clearer read. I'll be back.

The game's only five pages long. Just read the whole thing.

From the two posts Pom's made, I'm getting a slight lazy-town read, but only slight. Would like to see more content posted.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Well, if you've read the game then why aren't you posting content yet?

Right now SC, Pack, and AntB all fall into my "Am okay with reviving" bag. Though the Bub wagon is obviously the coolest .

[Bub Bidderskins]

Wredfar is mafia.

Reason?

[Bub Bidderskins]

I have too many fucking town reads and I'm loath to commit to any of them at the moment. Leaning toward voting Bub.

Yes, but you have one scum read that you have not explained yet. Care to rectify this?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Waiting for Wred before I place my vote...

The first few "days" did move kind of fast, but it's been over 48 hours since the start of the game. I'd expect at least something.

[Bub Bidderskins]

You know whats funny?

The word rectify.

Yes indeed. Part of it is in

rect

um and e

recti

on, but in reality you can connect anything to anal sex if you really try.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Also, wred

or

crypto can be scum, but not wred

and

crypto. Crypto's totally unbacked accusastion against wred makes sure of that.

[Bub Bidderskins]

@Mod: During Day 1, can players in limbo talk?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Speaking on future days: Assuming no role- or event-based effects, Limbo players may talk during any Day phase.

I was thinking that was the case, but I wasn't 100%. Thanks for clarification. Anyway, because of this I'm going to go ahead and

vote: Bub Bidderskins

The main reason I held out was because I was afraid that if D 0.75 ended then none of the players in limbo would be able to talk again. I would still like to see the wred slot contribute, though .

[Bub Bidderskins]

Why do you care? Right now we need to be townhunting first and scumhunting second.

I care because info is good for the town, and I don't see any reason why crypto shouldn't explain his vote.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Hi there pps

I just read the thread, and I'm now giving you my thoughts on this game.

The inicial wagon on Parama was waaaay too weird. Almost without reason, 4 votes were in this wagon at page 1! Parama's #183 really scared me. First, he says that crypto is town, just because he said wredfar was scum. Just like that. Also on the end of this post, he takes down Packbat without any reason, when he has already some votes. He just says like "believe me, I know this". And those votes are withdrawn. Now he is already alive, so if I am bothering you, I will talk about Parama D1.

Crypto just seem very, very scummy, I have no idea why Parama said he was town. He did nothing besides "wredfar is scum". Weird.

AntB is putting himself away of the game. Like he did on #125, #135, #144 and #157 are really funny to see as a whole. Very similar to crypto.

IMO, today's revival is Packbat or Bub, not SC.

kiwi seems scummy to me too, but I'll have to make a post on this later.

For now, my vote stays on my pocket.

What does the Parama wagon being wierd imply? It's already too late to not revive Parama.

Also, why should I or Packbat be today's revival? Why not SC?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Also:

Happy Birthday Packbat!

[Bub Bidderskins]

Well, if there's no more support available for Bud Bidderskins, I'm willing to vote my second candidate:

UNVOTE: Bud Bidderskins
VOTE: Packbat

What do you mean you are your second candidate? You should always be your own first candidate because you alone are 100% confirmed town from your perspective.

[Bub Bidderskins]

@Packbat: Yes, but you are 100% sure that you are town, which is something that you can't say about me. Anyway, it's a minor point that is kind of off-topic. Here's something more on-topic:

Right now, I'm up for a toasty wagon. He flagrantly random voted right after awesome caught some heat for doing the exact same thing. Then when question about it he basically said, "I can random vote whenever I want."

Counter-productive to the town: yes
Anti-town: perhaps
Scum: hell no

Also keep in mind that just because we don't revive a player doesn't mean that they can't scumhunt from limbo; they just can't vote. Right now I'm 90% certain that toasty recieved a town role PM. Not going to vote for him yet, though, because I'm 100% certain that I'm town, but I'll support a toasty wagon over a Packbat one because I'm more sure that toasty's town.

^Thoughts?
What do you think of a toasty revive?

[Bub Bidderskins]

I don't think ToastyToast's random-vote is particularly indicative of alignment - I had an early townread on him for other reasons, but he's kinda null for me at the moment.

It's the way he followed it up that makes me think he isn't scum. The kind of behaviour he displayed is not consistent with a scum-alignment.

As for Kiwi, I'm not so sure. While I do see the reason behind SC thinking he's town, I would like to see him back it up with some pro-town play before I'm convinced of his alignment either way. Null for now.

Right now my revive list is:

Myself, Toasty, Packbat

In that order. Packbat is more pro-town, but I'm more sure of toasty's alignment. Packbat can still scumhunt even if he can't vote.

[Bub Bidderskins]

What am I thinking? Finish

selecting

.

Right now, if either myself or Bub Bidderskins is at L-1 without me, I will hammer, and I will not hammer crypto, StrangerCoug, or kiwieagle. Outside that I'm open to negotiations.

^Ditto

@Everybody: Who do you like better: me or packbat?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Slaxx, you made my heart stop for a moment there...

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm not liking bobnox's claim. Not so much because of the claimed role itself, but because of how he tries to use it a leverage to get himself revived. Just now he even offered the cavet of his kill being directed. I don't like it.

[Bub Bidderskins]

but because of how he tries to use it a leverage to get himself revived

Vote me, I am confirmed town.

3. Slaxx, Town Summoner, revived Day 0.25 and died Day 1

And?

Yeah, but that's taken out of context. Slaxx didn't immediately urge everybody to vote for him after he claimed. Bobsnox seems like he's scrambling for votes right now.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Yeah, Crypto's not keeping up with the game.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Seems everyone is feeling Bub.

Okay, that's just creepy.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I like toasty's last few posts. It seems to me like he's really making real reads of people and trying to find town and scum. He's probtown right now. Packbat's also probtown. I don't think scum would make sure most of the limbo players would support a revive before voting for that person. He generally plays just like I would expect a townie to play in LYLO.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I think CDB's response was simply a no-comment. And honestly, I don't think out-guessing the mod is going to get us anywhere.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm not really sold on that SC/Parama connection, it seems really minor to me.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Toasty's a good revive. While I don't view that slip by itself as grounds to revive, his overall behavior has been incompatible with a scum alignment. I'd still prefer me being revived, but I'd say there's a 95% chance that toasty's town.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Trow, the idea that the tell was concocted is really far-fetched. All the people trying to derail the tell with crazy theories (i.e. Malp, kiwi, trow) are probably scum who really don't like the toasty wagon. I don't like mrtrow's big posts making up this insane parama/toasty theory. It just doesn't make sense. At worst, the tell is null, at best it gives us virtually confirmed town. Personally, I'm in the middle, but I think toasty's town for much broader reasons.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'd obviously much rather get revived than Pom, but Pom is still probtown. At any rate...it's party time!

[Bub Bidderskins]

I don't view malp's vote as too suspisious, given the fact that he has expressed very strong support for me in the past. And I am town, so it's a good vote :shrug:

[Bub Bidderskins]

So, are starting a mass claim or not?

[Bub Bidderskins]

'nilla

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm totally baffled by all the VT claims. I don't get why scum would pick malp, who they knew was going to vote for me. It just seems like a surefire way to get a townie revived. As to who we should revive tomorrow, I'm really not enthused by any of the current players in limbo. I'm really confused by my malp read right now. He seems like scum to me, but he's voting for me which doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I don't like the idea of a snox revival. There's way too much risk involved if he miss-hits, and from his posting he's obviously not paying much attention to this game.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub, no word on why you've basically claimed scum?

A) That's a leading question that I really shouldn't answer.
B) I'm 100% town and I never claimed scum.

[Bub Bidderskins]

There's a lot of meh going on right now. I'm still the best revive, though.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Your parent's computer is screwed up, man.

Anyway, why haven't I been revived yet?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Anyway, why haven't I been revived yet?

Because you're scum.

I beg to differ.

The only reason anybody thinks I'm scum is because of something totally out of my control. The fact that malp voted for me when he got the chance in no way affects my scumminess. Any independent analisys of me would certainly find that I'm clearly the best revive.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm cool with a bobsnox revival tomorrw, after myself of course. He seems like a good candidate.

[Bub Bidderskins]

@bub: so you are ok with the shot, but only after you are sure YOU cannot be hit?

If bobs were to hit me, the town would basically lose. So yes, I want to be sure that I cannot be hit. I know for sure I'm town. I like the idea of a bobs revival, though. Call it gut.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I feel really bad about winning this way, it seem kinda hollow. Pom's role was way too powerfull. So powerfull to the point where I basically stopped playing the game today and started prod dodging. I didn't think the game would end with this day, and that's why I threw in the little BS at the end about bobsnox. I was trying to screw with their minds a little bit, make 'em think too much about bobbers. Had the game continued, I would've suggested that pom use her role to give the vote to bobsonx.

I felt like I played pretty well up until that point though, and I was pleased that I got to the top of most revive charts for the early part of the day. Also, thank you Packbat for this:

That's because you're an extremely good scum player.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Aside from the mega-role that pom got, I think the mechanic was interesting. However, it makes it hard on the town because the only flips they get are town flips. And if scum don't get revived at the start, then they're basically confirmed when there's a night kill when they're revived later. Maybe you could make it where the scum get to kill even if they're in limbo. Also, the town really needs at least one information role, maybe two. Without flips, the town has very little to go on, and so they need some extra info.

[Bub Bidderskins]

@scum: why crypto`s vote? (from run-perspective the least logical choice)

Because we thought that there was a reasonable chance that the other players alive at the time would vote for me. We had no idea what Crypto would be like.