Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[hiphop]

/confirm

If money is invested, can the money be taken out at any time like a real cd (penalty of course), or must one wait for the cd to mature?
When can we start bidding? Start of day, or now?

[hiphop]

Cop and investigation immunity. Guaranteed results at least for night 1.

[hiphop]

I agree with RC.

Last will isn't as great as one might think. For one would have to use it every night, or take a gamble that they are not lynched or nk'd.

[hiphop]

Vote: HipHop

Why, precisely, would you want Investigation Immunity for? To keep the mafia from it? Or something far more sinister?

Cop and investigation immunity. Guaranteed results at least for night 1.

[hiphop]

Grow Your Business:

Once per Night, if you activated

no abilities during the previous Day

and you activate

no abilities during this Night

, you may choose one ability you possess that has more than one use remaining; you gain another use of that ability.

I think it is important to note the bolded, where if one uses any of their abilities, one cannot grow their business on any of the others. Essentially saying that if one uses the cop, they cannot grow their business on Last will.

And I agree with Rc

Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

[hiphop]

Why MS?

Because Ms thinks that me wanting the investigation immunity, is scum motivated. When it is far more likely that they would take the cop instead, since nobody could possibly outbid them. Essentially making investigation immunity null. All ms is doing is digging for something that is not there.

[hiphop]

Transfer of funds don't actually occur until the next day therefore there's minimal town motivation to transfer funds at this point in the game so any transfer of funds done by town need to be stated openely in the thread sooner rather than later.

I disagree, if a transfer is claimed scum now know that that person has more money than anyone else, also scum can transfer money between themselves, and nobody would be the wiser.

That's why the Doc should protect the Cop and the Cop should have Last Will.

Impossible. Because of all the hype for last will and cop. I doubt anyone would have enough funds for both. Scum could easily take them both though.
2. If the cop claims, what makes you so sure the scum don't have the doctor? If scum do, nobody would be the wiser, since nobody knows who actually has the doc.

Furthermore, if there are 3 scum, any 3 items can be scums. Or scum could just bid on 2, and the third guy save his money for tomorrow.

Don't be so naive.

Your basically saying scum have absolutely no motivation to acquire Investigation Immunity- when they are the the only roles it that it would even remotely be useful to. Townies, and even the proverbial TP, would have no use for it, other then to keep it from the mafia- because Cop Results come back, "Mafia" or "Not Mafia".

Also, don't be so presumptuous.

Mafia will be far more concerned with getting the NK, then any other ability.

Oh I know. Because I have the high bid for investigation immunity. In fact I am the only bid on Investigation immunity. Therefore scum have no intention of getting it. You may of course outbid me if you want, if you truly think I am scum. And yes I am saying that the cop should not waste an investigation on me(if I somehow get it), because an innocent will not prove anything, but anybody else, I guarantee a correct result.

Also what part of 3 scum can pick any 3 abilites do you not understand?

unvote

[hiphop]

If the doc doesn't die and doesn't protect the cop, we've got confirmed scum.

And how will you know who the doc is? You think scum would automatically claim they have the doc?

Why shouldn't scum be able to bid on more than one item per person? I'm almost tempted to vote for you since you seem to be that certain what scum can and can't do.

Read it again, and you will find that is exactly what I am saying. And yes my sources are from the front page. And if you really think I am scum, why aren't you voting me? What is holding you back? Or is this some post that you can point back to, after trying to outbid me?

Imo the double vote is scum motivated. Because it will be shown as a ???, which means scum can put it anywhere, and nobody knows who is moving it.

vote WeyounsLastClone

And guys my name is hiphop, not hiplop. He is the guy that tried to rip off my name. And being that Ghost played with both of us, really surprises me, that he would make the same mistake.

[hiphop]

Why is it, that everyone here is talking how Neighborizer, is such a great role, yet, nobody has made a bid for it yet? And it ends in 9 hours.

Personally I don't think it is that great of a ability. As far as I know mafia could use it to get people to open up, and give away valuable information.

I was referring to the specific case where (yet unknown) scum claims doc.

The only way for that to work is if the cop claims, and if he does, he is just opening himself up to a scum kill.

So, where on the front page does it say that scum can't bid for more than one item at a time?

Now where did I say that? I said if scum want, they can put $100 on 3 items, since I am assuming there are 3 scum, and get those 3 abilities, without any competition from town. I don't know how much money they have except that it is over $100. So I have no idea if they would have any money left over. But it is a fact that they could do the above if they wanted to, and there is nothing town can do about it.

Claiming should help.

And how will you go about and getting scum to claim? Example, 13 players in the game, all deny they have the extra vote, who has it? If a townie has it, there might be a target for a scum kill. They would get 2 votes with one kill. And if scum have it, well nothing you can do about it. So that idea is stupid. However we can assume that scum have it, and not out the townie, and just be careful of who we put at L-1.

[hiphop]

Just saying that someone has outbid me for investigation immunity, and as one can see it has expired. So, no, I do not have it.

[hiphop]

Am I the only one who sees that nk went for $100? Which means that town does not have it, but mafia.

Oh and because I did not win any auctions yesterday, and had invested money at the start of the day yesterday, I fully intend to win an ability today. I was thinking nk, thoughts?

[hiphop]

I see your point ethos, I just didn't want town to get sidetracked, but your way would have better.

[hiphop]

EBWOP:
I see your point ethos, I just didn't want town to get sidetracked, but your way would have been better.

[hiphop]

Nk is currently at $117, Either
A: town had bid on it, before I said something.
B: Scum had bid on it.

And if it is scum, would it be more likely someone that has posted in day 2, or a lurker?

[hiphop]

vote HellloooNewman

I would like a list of where all your money came from, being that we all know you have $189.

And yes, I still have the nk. Though I never expected to pay this much for it.

[hiphop]

And I say he is a liar, one way or another. He just said he bid $190, yet the auction is currently at $190. If he had bid $190, it should be at $191, for I had bid more than $190.

[hiphop]

I added his money up, it came to 191. He bids 190, it should be 191. 1 dollar more then the second highest bidder, unless there is a tie, which there isn't. Would you like me to quote the rules?

[hiphop]

the current bid will always be $1 more than the second highest bid,

or, to put it another way, if you are winning the auction, you are always bidding the minimum amount required to do so. If another player bids higher than the current bid, but less than or equal to your maximum bid, you will remain the highest bidder and the current bid will be raised appropriately. [/*]

In the event of tied maximum bids, the earlier bidder gets priority. The first PM from each player within the first 24 hours of a Day are given equal priority; in this case, random.org will provide a tiebreaker.

[hiphop]

Look at it this way ethos. He invested $50, since his partner had the high bid on nk. He then gets more money for the next nk, to outbid any town players. He then uses his remaining funds to bid on a small item, since he doesn't have enough for a larger one. One that would tell him what abilities that he could win the next day, and he would be able to discuss them with his partner. Plus how do we really know that he had invested money at all? For all we know he could have made it up, to provide a cover for his extra funds?

I also encourage you to look at the WLC, and tell me that his vote could not have been a buss.

[hiphop]

unvote

while I read, what just happened.

[hiphop]

Here is a question Ms, at what time did you send in the bid, and did the mod send a pm back to you stating that you have 1 less dollar because you were outbid?

And frankly the only people that I trust right now are Seacore, Ethos, and ghost. I also do not believe Hn is most likely scum, but he is not a town read either.

[hiphop]

Rc- were you the one to bid $99 for nk day 1 as planned?

[hiphop]

So what day did you bid the $97? If it was any day before the deadline, alarm bells should have gone off in your head.

Ghostlin why did you claim cop, when you still have a use remaining?

vote malpascp

[hiphop]

I will not publicly confirm or deny private information, including information related to a player's bids. Feel free to ask me via PM.

Have you done this yet?

[hiphop]

According to you, what "mistake" did he make?

[hiphop]

You do realize that he did bid 190 on nk right?

And as for the ghost, ms thing. Ghost won the auction not ms. Ghost had bid $99 on the cop. Ghost won it for $95. Therefore the second highest bidder had to bid $95 after ghost had bid on it, or $94 before. If anything the fault lies with MS, for any confusion at all. For it is obvious that he never sent his pm for $97. And I already asked Ms when he had bid on it. He said June 30th.

[hiphop]

I understand the 189 v. 190 thing. Being that it was first brought here, by malpascp, asking HN if he had bid 189. Hn immediately responds, with the 189 stuck in his head. Later on, he realized he bid $190. As for the lie, I find that more of a null tell, then a scum tell, but that is only because I believe he was really frustrated. So right now, I only find him null.

And I really do not know what to think of the Ms thing. If it wasn't true, why would he say he had bid that much?

[hiphop]

^Doesn't help me.

[hiphop]

If I get the kill, I am not killing newman. Catching up.

[hiphop]

Because I don't think he is scum.

You could always lynch him, and I will kill ms. Then again if scum got the doctor, commanding me like this, will only make sure that that he is protected, if he is scum.

[hiphop]

I also just found out extremely useful info for town and scum, by pm'ing the mod a question. Literally this could increase our money to spend by a lot, but I think it might be more beneficial to scum then town.

[hiphop]

That's 4. Seacore call it gut, but I think Hn has a high chance of being town.

[hiphop]

You know what, info helps town. So I am going to out and say it. If someone transfers money before they are lynched or nk'd, and it hasn't taken effect when they die, the money is still transferred.

[hiphop]

It doesn't take effect until the next day.

[hiphop]

Well, we should be safe tonight with me having the kill, and hopefully yesterday's was grabbed by WLC. However to get around that for future use people should just send the money to one of their town reads.

[hiphop]

I think it would be better if the person who gets them claims it the next day, instead of the lynchee telling us who he sent too. This way scum can't target the targettee.

[hiphop]

Lady Lambdadelta-Please explain why mal is any more town than I am. And yes I am voting him, because I believe him to be scum.

[hiphop]

unvote

[hiphop]

Hip, mal town is a STRONG gut read for me. I want to know your reasons for why he's scum?

As i already said, same reason as to why you think he is town. Gut.
And if you look at my vote for WLN, the 2nd vote on the wagon, was also gut. I did not like his iso 5,6,and 7. And hey I was right.

@Everyone: do you trust Seacore do direct the NK?

Here is something. Seacore does not have the Nk. I do. And if I win it, I am killing off someone who I think is scummy, not who he thinks is scummy. I am not going to blabber off who I am going to kill before I do it, so that scum can Roleblock, doc save or whatever, to me to prevent me from killing scum. For what is the purpose of that, if I don't actually kill scum with it? And I am not killing Hn. You may lynch him if you think he is scummy, but I am not killing him. There are others who I would rather kill.

I am totally lost with the GreyIce- Ghost thing. The question is why would scum have extra abilities when a lot of abilites up for auction are pro-scum?

Greyice- Do you know how the bidding thing works? Actually, what I want to know, is who had bid $95 or $94 on the cop yesterday?

[hiphop]

How can scum gain one, if I get it?

[hiphop]

GreyIce- You said that you were being bidblocked is a possibility as to why your bid didn't take effect. How is it that scum would know that you bid on the cop in the first place? So that would make ghost scum how?

Seacore- I am not killing a null read. Period.

And yes I won the Nk.

[hiphop]

Indeed it is.

Hip, I know newman lied, but I still think Ice/Pere are better targets. His actions prior to that fiasco just scream town.

Agreed.

[hiphop]

ghostlin was just lynched.

[hiphop]

If ghost flips town, do you still want me to nk you?

[hiphop]

But I still don't get why you not winning the cop, makes him scum. Like I said, how would scum know you were going to bid on cop too?

[hiphop]

PEdit: It's not the fact the cop auction was fucked with. It's his flip-floppy wishy-washy behavior.

Ok, then. I understood the part afterwards, it just that I thought the cop auction was the reason you were pushing him. If that is the case, why would one of you or ghost be scum? Cop auction, or part after?

[hiphop]

60% auction, from the fact that he claimed one thing, I claimed another, and warring claims usually involve scum.

The behavior I agree with 100%. (Btw did he have time to transfer his funds if he was town), if he hadn't been hammered, I would have. However what I can't wrap my head around is the quoted. This isn't a regular game where scum make up a claim, but a claim that involves facts. And the fact is, he did win it. There is no if's and's, or but's about it. It is a fact. There is also the fact that some people were bidding on cop, because otherwise it wouldn't have gotten up to $95.

Too lazy to check, but none of your bids went through yesterday, correct? Did the others, move up the bid accordingly?

And yes, if I shot you, you still would lose your daily wage.

[hiphop]

I killed Iceguy. I will be back in a couple of hours.

[hiphop]

Ethos question cannot happen because Seacore must ask a yes,or no question.

I am also of the opinion that we are in a 8/2/2/1 setup because there is the guy that is stealing funds from the marketplace. Imo the quicker we can get the lynch, the less high the highest price will be for him to steal it.

vote PeregrineV

[hiphop]

Ethos: I'd still prefer to get FRC in our hands first.

Why?

And based on what Ghost won, he spent $126 day 1.

[hiphop]

First of all, every living player gets $200. Scum included.

And Second as long as someone has bid on already, then the auction ends when the lynch is.

[hiphop]

i am bidding on accountant

[hiphop]

delete pm before it is sent?

[hiphop]

79

[hiphop]

What I want to know is, why hasn't voided volunteered who he investigated?

[hiphop]

Okay. If Voided is telling the truth, that means that WLC has untouched Cop abilities on his person.

I think that drastically changes who we want to get the Graverob...

Who is that again *goes to check*

But that would be $197 spent the first day.(nk plus cop).

[hiphop]

No, I didn't get any cop ability from Ghostlin. Only $99, 2 Last Wills, and 2 Trackers.

I DID use a track last night, but Ice was my target, and he died, so...that was wasted.

This makes no sense to me. It is a tad convenient too.

What happened to the cop ability then?

If scum only have 2 in each group, using or not using the cop would not matter to them, but might make them look more pro-town to the town.

[hiphop]

No, I didn't get any cop ability from Ghostlin. Only $99, 2 Last Wills, and 2 Trackers.

I am curious as to where all of ghost's money went. Comes to $140 in 2 days.

And not only that, but ghost knew where the cop was.

[hiphop]

And Seacore I have no abilities at this time. $79 if I was outbid by ethos.

[hiphop]

In fact, I would like people to claim all of their money transactions in their next posts. I will then play with an excel sheet.

I really do not think that will help, because there are some players like GreyIce, who do not have the same funds as we do.

[hiphop]

Pere is town

unvote

Day 1-$100
Invested $20 before the day started-$80
bid on Investigation Immunity x 4, $38, Extra Vote x 2, $29-$11
Outbid in Extra Vote x 2, $29, bid on it again $39-$0
Outbid on both, bid on Night-kill x 1, $76, outbid-$76
wage, efficiency, investment matures $120-$196

Day 2-$196
Night-kill x 1, $195-$0
Won Nk-$5
Wage and Efficiency $75-$80

Day 3- $80
Bid on Accountant x 3, $79-$0
outbid, invested $79-$0

vote voided

[hiphop]

Seacore claim your transactions too.

[hiphop]

Voided isn't bloody scum WHAT THE FUCK YOU MORONS.

Why isn't he?

[hiphop]

unvote
vote chaos

[hiphop]

Hiphop, explain your town-read on Pere please.

He was the one to bid $99 on nk day 1.

[hiphop]

pere has commuter

[hiphop]

unvote
vote pere L-2

[hiphop]

Entrepreneur

Also, I believe it was Chaos(but the mod does not give us that info) gave me all of his cash. So it is possible that I once again have the most money. I am open for whatever you guys want me to bid on.

[hiphop]

Ask if there is a third party?

[hiphop]

So, out of the 8 of us, 2 of us are scum.

[hiphop]

So should I bid on nk?

[hiphop]

And I would rather lynch lld->kill mal->cop newman.

[hiphop]

triple post, nevermind, your way is better.

[hiphop]

well, let's do this.

vote HellloooNewman

I have not bid yet, still waiting for confirmation that I should bid on nk. I currently have $500+ with chaos's transfer.

[hiphop]

But, as I said, I had only $23 to my name at day's end. How could I have outbid you?

I really do not think that is the post of scum lld.

[hiphop]

I agree

[hiphop]

chaos sent me $200+ Newman (who can talk with him, said he didn't do it.)

[hiphop]

No, voided. I am saying that he did not outbid lld for gravedigger.

And Ethos

Transfer:

At any point during the Day, you may transfer money to another player.

A 5% fee (rounded up) will be deducted.

Transferred money will arrive at the beginning of the next Day as one anonymous lump sum (regardless of the number of transfers). Transfers are irreversible, even if you or the recipient dies before the money is received.

So not quite $315.

[hiphop]

oh,

unvote
vote mal

Yes I believe he is the sk. Though definitely not mafia.

[hiphop]

I take it the guy that is currently winning the bid on nk is scum.

[hiphop]

Why don't you guys NK someone that hasn't a Doc ability?

Because you are the robber.

[hiphop]

here, here, and here

[hiphop]

This game is stagnating

unvote
vote lld

[hiphop]

I just had bid $520 on nk, and did not get it.

[hiphop]

unvote

[hiphop]

When one gets a transfer that is about $300, then it is plausible to have that much.

[hiphop]

So...why the unvote?

Also, considering that you, of all people, got outbid, that would have to mean that LLD is being truthful about being very rich and about her PR, at least, as she's the only one I can think of who'd be able to outbid you at this point.

I do not understand your reasoning. As for you question, I suggest you look at other sources.

[hiphop]

well, yeah, being I just bid, and was just informed that I was not the highest bidder.

[hiphop]

I suggest you look at other sources.

Voided?

[hiphop]

I'm not bidding on the NK currently.

Are you saying that you are bidding on something, even though you have the most votes, thus robbing potential town from having it if you are lynched?

[hiphop]

I disagree. I think it was scum, not the sk.

Do you believe the sk gets a nest egg?
How about a wage?

[hiphop]

And I am not talking about that kind of source. I am talking about reading material.

[hiphop]

vote HN

[hiphop]

Seacore-it would be wiser if you did not bid on cop. And we don't have the nk.

[hiphop]

- Cop is something that has been decided to be bid on by either myself or GreyICE, which of us exactly doesn't need to be revealed as of yet.
- Forensic Accountant I believe Void is currently bidding on, if I'm wrong and if someone else is bidding on it or plan on bidding on it they need to speak up.
- Night-kill has already been confirmed that mafia hold it and at this point there's nothing I can see that we can do to reattain it.
- Roleblocker, this again is something that I would like either myself or GreyICE to bid on, which of us exactly doesn't need to be revealed as of yet.
- Wage Freeze I care not for though if you're not bidding for anything you may as well try and snipe it.
- Peace Treaty, given that we don't have Night-kill it might be optimal to have one of our suspects bid on it and then use it tonight forcing mafia to either kill them or not get a kill through. As for who exactly should be on it, it's yet to be determined.

[hiphop]

^According to this, I have no idea.

[hiphop]

Also it seems that mafia currently hold a shit load of funds due to them being able to outbid hiphop on night-kill therefore we're going to need to make sure we can pool money to win it over them tomorrow, I think everyone should transfer money they believe they currently don't need to Seacore

I believe this is what you want to aim for.

[hiphop]

That might be best

[hiphop]

not me. Send it to Greyice instead.

[hiphop]

or save it for tomorrow...

[hiphop]

unvote

While I read.

[hiphop]

I AM NOT SCUM

IMO Hn would more likely be the SK, then scum.

[hiphop]

Also the other ability he is winning is Peace Treaty. Though having cop and Peace Treaty is a very poor combination. Did you read what Peace Treaty does? It protects everyone but yourself. So in theory the guy that has cop, plans on dying. Nice.

Seriously? You are a terrible player HN, assuming you are town. This is a team game, not a solo game. If you were an unlimited Town Vig, then I could accept a solo mentality, but you cannot win this game by yourself.

Hn please read this, and then again if it doesn't make sense. You said yourself that you thought I was town, so trust me.

Who is the highest bidder on Cop?

This is probably the stupidest question I have ever heard of. And the fact that Hn answered is just as poor thinking. Why would anyone admit, or even ask who has cop, when we know for a fact town does not, and I repeat, does not have NK?

[hiphop]

Because I like to post.

We are not lynching Hn today. He can keep Peace Treaty and use it tonight if he wants, and Mal you had better not even think about protecting him.

[hiphop]

Got it

Mal Protect Hn, Hn please use Peace Treaty. Nobody dies tonight, whoever wins cop, get a free pass at scum.

[hiphop]

Peace Treaty (Targeted): This ability cannot be roleblocked. You are treated as targeting every other player. You will perform a roleblock on all Night-kill activations that target anyone *except for you*. However, any Night-kill that targets *you* will work regardless of any other abilities (that is, you cannot be protected and Night-kills on you cannot be roleblocked).

Your right he can't be protected if he uses it. He would die no matter what mal does.

[hiphop]

And they can't be RoleBlocked either. Well, that stinks.

[hiphop]

Mal has doctor...If Hn decides that he doesn't want town to win, as evident by 957, he could in theory not use Peace Treaty, thus throwing town out to the wolves. I will not commit to a mal lynch, unless Hn says he will play in the best interest of the town.

[hiphop]

Hn-Seacore is town. If we can guarantee his survival, we can have a sure bet of winning nk tomorrow, with the fact that everyone will be transferring their money to him. Also, with the fact that scum also have an extra $200 because of Fdr, please make sure that you win this auction for the town. (hint-a max bid over $200)


I really, really hope the guy that won double voter, is dead.

[hiphop]

Mal- What plans do you have for the money that you received yesterday night(wage), and the Fdr that you just received?

[hiphop]

sigh

[hiphop]

I was outbid on RB, at the deadline.

[hiphop]

vote lld

[hiphop]

Actaully, Hn had outbid me.

[hiphop]

I am curious, why, when you know for a fact that Newman can't be the guy that holds Nk since he has funds to bid for other things, are you voting for him?

[hiphop]

mod -do me the honor of erasing one of the above?

Lld help me out. This is what I have.

Town-Ethos, GreyIce, Seacore

Possible Sk- Hn, Mal, void

Possible mafia- LLd

Thoughts?

Deleted the duplicate of post #1001

[hiphop]

But still, how can you be voting for him, when you know he can't hold the nk? Though I am thinking of moving mal, down to the mafia category as well. I will unvote you, and vote mal, if you vote mal.

Also the way iceGuy is going crazy about lynching you, I am sure you will be lynched sooner or later.

[hiphop]

Sorry GreyIce, not iceguy.

[hiphop]

You are not helping. Period.

But still, how can you be voting for him, when you know he can't hold the nk?

[hiphop]

I was outbid on RB, at the deadline.

Actaully, Hn had outbid me.

I did not vote on RB.

Ok, I believe. I just thought it was you, because you were outbid on cop, and Peace Treaty. Therefore giving you the funds to bid on Rb, but if you say you didn't then I guess not.

Mal is at L-2. I am going to hold my vote for now.

[hiphop]

Cop results?

[hiphop]

Apparently, IG doesn't read what ethos writes.

[hiphop]

Seacore, I will have over $700. Do you still want the nk?

LL-yes, I seem to keep mixing those guys' names up.

[hiphop]

Anyways, I'm gonna go for Doctor and probably tracker, and I'd really like to get the former.

This cannot happen. One or the other.

[hiphop]

Seacore, it is better if you go for Nk.

[hiphop]

Will someone please activate wage Freeze now. Seacore if scum do try to bid with you, do you think you can outbid them? And I highly doubt GI has the funds that you ought to have, because I only sent him $100.

[hiphop]

^ opportunistic scum hoping to live another day.

Why should I believe this, when your vote doesn't speak it?

[hiphop]

Wait, shouldn't Voided go for the NK? He is confirm town, AND has hitman. What am I missing here?

Seacore has more money.

[hiphop]

I don't trust Voided.

[hiphop]

Gi got "not mafia" He did not get "not scum". There is a difference.

[hiphop]

Let's make this clear

Who do you think is the last mafia member, and who is the sk?

[hiphop]

I know, and there is 2 of them.

[hiphop]

*are 2 of them

However, I don't think Ethos is scum, because Ethos would have known the Hn had the Peace Treaty. So Hn should have been dead.

[hiphop]

Oh, we had a discussion in the neighborhood QT.

we are like this *fingers cross*

[hiphop]

Cop (Targeted):

Choose another player. You will receive back a report of “Mafia” or “Not Mafia”. You are guaranteed sane; however, other abilities may modify the result of the report.

Also, when I read something it sticks.

[hiphop]

With that in mind, how likely is voided the sk?

[hiphop]

Interesting timing.

I would like to point out, that with Gravedigger also being used on IG, that whoever had Gravedigger is most likely scum. So not only did scum get Investigation Immune(cops are worthless now), doublevote(scum cannot reach lylo), and Roleblocker (well there goes the nk). Also, LLd was outbid on Gravedigger. Or was she?

[hiphop]

I am extremely skeptic, about LLd being the scum. And the scum is the most dangerous of the 2. LLd can you provide a list like the above, or at least your scum reads?

[hiphop]

It comes down to gravedigger. Did she, or did she not get outbid?

[hiphop]

Fyi- Iceguy has already bid everything he has on NK, and did not get it. Also I have over $700, where and how could I get that much money, if I had won nk yesterday? If you want me to prove it, I could take Nk right now, just to validate I have the funds for it. And further more, it was I who sent IceGuy $100 yesterday, keeping in mind that is evident that everyone else already thought I was town. I really want to hear your explanations.

And Seacore, Iceguy is more town than you.

[hiphop]

Sigh, apparently.

[hiphop]

From the $520 I had bid on Nk yesterday. I immediately had bid on Accountant for $100(to prove that voided had bid on it instead of bidding the minumum and still have the nk. Outbid

Bid on RB for $150, and Peace Treaty for $100.
Transferred $106 to GreyIce-Rounds down to $100
Invested $100
3 pms all before the mod responded.
And then after all this GI(yes GI, not Ig) activated Fr. So I was unable to increase my bid on Nk.
Increase Rb bid to $400, without being outbid.
Then I increased it to $509, without being outbid
$85 for eff and wage bonus.

So 54 hous into day 5 I will have $744.

And Seacore, I believe someone who is not part of the neighborhood, tried to Nk last night. For the neighborhood knew Hn had the Peace Treaty. And also the mod confirmed would not have been you. If you are the mafia member, it would be in your best interest to have the robber dead, for that is one step closer to winning the game, without have some random coincidence stopping it. So if there was only 1 Pr, bingo there is the SK. The guy that needs to win on his own. I don't believe you are the Sk, because you confirmed the existence. And thinking you are the mafia member is a lot more saner then me shooting my buddy, especially being it was he who had II, double voter, and Roleblocker. He could have confirmed his innocence by a cop investigation. And even Voided thinks I am more town than you.

[hiphop]

Oh and I was outbid on Peace Treaty and Roleblocker before the day ended. And yes right there, proves that I did not have Nk last night, unless I had over $1000. And that I would have had to have that after winning Nk day 2. And Ethos thinks Hn could not had have the Nk because he bid on cop and Peace treaty.(I don't believe it either), and yet I would had to have more money than that. Someone needs to do a reread.

[hiphop]

Seacore if you have more than $700, I would believe there wouldn't be a chance that you are the mafia member.

[hiphop]

Hitman isn't Strongman, it only guarantees kills.

True, but he already put a majority of his funds on doc.

[hiphop]

I don't understand why having non-standard town-roles (ie LLD and GI) is a point in their favour.

Particularly for LLD. I mean, if you were going to need to explain why you have different money to the town, then you'd come up with a different way to accumulate that money.

PEDIT
Sigh, people should wait for discussion before bidding. And people shouldn't bid on multiple things because that just forces town to pay more money.

And I don't have over 700 now, but I will some hours in.

neither do I, but I will.

If you could see the Qt, you would see that GI role is more than what he said in thread. And I believe him. However, LLd who I believe hasn't even come out and said where her money came from, shows scum hiding. And the only reason she hasn't been lynched yet, is because Ethos said no. For reasons something about having a lot of money some day, and for saying she was a town read from certain posts. Though I have to admit the mal lynch was mine and Ethos's push.

[hiphop]

Seacore should take Hitman and nk, since he has the funds.

[hiphop]

Since no one is talking, I went through some numbers. Town started with $100, with a max of $115(possibly be only $50) earned each day. Let's say scum started with $150, and get $125 per day.
If I am scum
D1
Invest $150=$225+$125=$350.
D2
Bid $190 on Nk=$160
Invest the rest=$240+$125=$365
D3
Invested it all=$547+$125=$672
D4
Bid $520 on Nk=$152+$200(Fdr)=$352
$352-$106(rounds down to $100 for transfer fee) sent to GI=$246
Invested the rest=$369+$125=$494
D5=$494 -I have $744.

Granted of course it does not take in effect the bids($-1 and any other bids that were placed and won), nor any other auctions that scum could have bid on. Nor does it take in account how much more per auction scum had to bid extra to win the bid. And scum would have had to invest all of their funds early in the day, not knowing how soon the day would end the next day. And furthermore all money had to be transferred during the day, and not the night, meaning that scum would have had to decide to make the kill on IG before the day ended.(And this was before that a second scum team was even known about.) Also, I think I am being more than generous being that if you look close enough scum would have had enough money to win the nk day 3, and take it from voided, or at least make a higher bid than what it was won for.
(People that hate numbers(I.e. GI) can ignore the above)

If that isn't enough, take into account that I not only claimed Investigation Immunity when I had it, and claimed the day 2 nk. And for more evidence, if it wasn't me, who bid up the nk day 4 to the $520. Or are you saying that I purposely placed the exact bid, to make it look like I was bidding it up, knowing full well that the robber was going to steal the funds and then outbid me on Rb? If that makes any sense.

Yes, I know, I make a lot of noise when someone flips their read of me from town to scum, but I have a right to.

And GI, I believe fully well that the robber could bid up something then steal the funds for it. It is like him giving money to a retailer for a Tv, and then later, stealing the money back. Life happens.

[hiphop]

Scum read: Hiphop (Yes, we think he shot his own partner, will elaborate into it later)

I really want to hear how you came to this conclusion.

[hiphop]

Just found something interesting. Working out now with Slaxx, by the way Newman is confirmed 100% to not be mafia, he might be robber but I can literally guarantee he's not mafia.

I sincerely doubt that Hn is the robber. I was reading last night and I came across this page. He got 5 votes in 24 hours, and it really looked like, his wagon was the lynch. If you look you will notice that the robber struck right after Magua posted the bids. The very first vote count of day 2, that all 5 voters were on. Now, if the robber were Hn, do you really think he would have struck so early, especially being it was he that 5 people were voting?

[hiphop]

Yeah, I only got the money 1 hour before the auctions closed, and I was asleep when that happened.

So, am I bidding on the NK now? And Hitman?

Yeah, I believe Voided only put $50 on Nk, so you should be fine there.

Ethos-I really would like to know where you came to the conclusion that Hn is not the scum. I don't believe is scum(sk or mafia). Not yet anyways.

Also, I was really, really close to shooting Pere that night. It came down to me erasing his name, and writing IceGuy, before sending in the pm. It was a you(a town read at the time) saying Ig was scum vs. Iceguy being on the Ghost's wagon, and pere not. Most people would have gone the latter, but I went with the former.

Seacore- Because the way it looks, the robber must strike before the lynch happens. Also, I believe the money he gets is based off the last votecount. So it would not make any sense for Hn to strike so soon, when the only wagon heading for a lynch was his own.

[hiphop]

ugh, I was just skimming the qt, and it appears GI had bid on nk for $350, way back when he said he was going to.

[hiphop]

Ethos made an interesting comment. Ig had RB. I said here that I would nk one of IG or Pere. Yet, I wasn't RB. In fact Ig never used any of his abilities.

[hiphop]

voided

[hiphop]

vote Lady Lambdadelta

[hiphop]

Fyi, ethos was RB last night. It might help.

[hiphop]

You have hitman right? And I really wish the next post of someone that isn't voting would be the hammerer. Keeping the bids low and stopping the robber from robbing, are both good things.

[hiphop]

Voided said here that the Rb had 3 uses left. D2 states that Rb only had 3 uses, how could voided be rb?

[hiphop]

ah

[hiphop]

I tracked Voided to LLd only.

[hiphop]

Then he didn't block me, or he's bulletproof.

That is what I was thinking. With the setup, it is probable that he is.

I was thinking today, about what will happen at the end. If there is only the SK, and town, would it not be plausible that the Sk would be bulletproof(since he doesn't have a kill already) to prevent the game from going into a bidding war? It is also plausible that GI saved his Nk, for the end game.

Currently, I have $923, and I am not wasting it Ethos. The way I look at it, everyone is clear of being the sk, therefore anyone could be it. So, I will not be transferring any funds. I am going to win an auction today, I don't care which auction(you pick), but with my funds, I will win one. And personally, if there is a lynch today, I would rather see gravedigger go into the grave with the lynchee.

[hiphop]

I think the above would decide on whether or not Void is nk immune. Gi did magua send you a messsage?

[hiphop]

Do you or do you not believe that the sk might be nk immune?

[hiphop]

Sounds reasonable. So, we should do my lynch today and the nk on Newman tonight. Why put off the inevitable? I think I should take commuter to the grave with me. That way the sk can't have it. Also 84 hours into today I will be getting $450, which I will be transferring to Seacore, with the rest of my funds. Sound good?

Personally, I believe it must be Newman. With Newman at the top of GI's list, me pushing for a voided nk, I don't believe you could be the sk, being why would you Rb GI, when the nk was between Newman and voided? Leaving the Robber outside the neighborhood. The only other solutions is that IG held onto the kill, hoping to use it later, to win the game.

[hiphop]

Roleblocker (Targeted): Choose another player. All of their Targeted abilities that they activated for that night, except for roleblocks, will fail. Personal abilities will continue to work. Abilities that were not activated are not affected. If the Targeted ability would return a result, it will instead return “Ability failed”.

Considering that night-kill is a 'Targeted' ability would this receive a message back saying "Ability blocked" if roleblocked?

I didn't get any message.

Magua: ???

Wait, what? Magua?? Ethos, what do you think of Voided now?

[hiphop]

Roleblocker (Targeted): Choose another player. All of their Targeted abilities that they activated for that night, except for roleblocks, will fail. Personal abilities will continue to work. Abilities that were not activated are not affected.

If the Targeted ability would return a result

, it will instead return “Ability failed”.

Nevermind, just read the bolded. Continue with the plan of lynching me, and nk'ing Newman.

[hiphop]

Personally, I believe it must be Newman. With Newman at the top of GI's list, me pushing for a voided nk, I don't believe you could be the sk, being why would you Rb GI, when the nk was between Newman and voided? Leaving the Robber outside the neighborhood. The only other solutions is that IG held onto the kill, hoping to use it later, to win the game.

[hiphop]

You said you would use it today, so if you don't mind...

[hiphop]

Read it again.

[hiphop]

Gi, if Ethos was the robber, why would he RB you? I believe a Newman lynch would be better.

And yes, I am pretty sure based on the Qt, that you would kill either Void or Hn, not Ethos.

[hiphop]

Playing dnd, so I am keeping this short. A lynch without stating who gets what from the auctions, is not a good idea.

[hiphop]

Actually, I wanted Voided to think he was getting the bullet. Then, if he was the robber, he would attempt to RB you, which is where I came in to track him. Then we would know for certain he was the robber.

So, we should have

Commuter- Grey Ice.
Graverobber- Seacore
Nk-Voided
Watcher- Me

Though it might be best if Voided took watcher, Seacore nk, and myself Graverobber. For reasons that voided might not have the funds to compete with the robber for the nk.

[hiphop]

Seacore, needs to win nk. He has hitman, and he has the funds to win it. And I agree Voided should get commuter, this would allow him to stay alive another night. Also, voided should not get graverobber. Someone else should, because that it is the only way to tell whether voided was lying about whether or not lld had ninja(a move that can hide targets from other people). Which was why I said I should get graverobber. I have the funds to win it at least. Or we could have Seacore split his money for nk, and graverobber. If that is the solution, then I might as well as transfer my money to a few people. I just rather not, being that I have over $900, funds enough to win just about anything.

[hiphop]

Seacore should have enough to bid something on Commuter, and still win the nk. And yes it would be best if neither of them stated whether or not who won it.

[hiphop]

There is something else, if Ethos was planning on winning RB, why would he tell me to bid all I had on the Rb. And there was the fact that he would have had the $300 on cop, plus the $500 on RB, when there is no indication that the sk ought to have that many funds, unless the SK get about the same wages as what we get.

[hiphop]

I guess I will have to accept that. Everyone alive seems to be that way.

[hiphop]

Seacore, needs to win nk. He has hitman, and

he has the funds to win it.

Read the bolded.

[hiphop]

Seacore, needs to win nk. He has hitman, and

he has the funds to win it.

fixed, messed up the quotes.

[hiphop]

I always start flopping during lylo, because I become so paranoia, that is really killing this person really the best solution, or am I wrong? Which is why I flop. If that makes me the sk, then so be it. Also, the lynched person taking commuter, makes sure the sk can't have it, which means we still could kill him at night. I never thought of someone else taking it.

And if you think you can take the nk, then go ahead, and Seacore can have graverobber. I'll take watcher, and whoever wins commuter can have that.

[hiphop]

Seacore, bid on gravedigger, then use it on lld. Also spend some money on commuter.

[hiphop]

GI- No matter what I do, I will most likely be shot or lynched eventually, because I don't believe it is Ethos, but Hn. So I am going to

vote hiphop

.

I just sent $449($473-5%) to Gi, and the other $450 I won't get to Monday, so if the lynch happens before then, then so be it.

[hiphop]

^Proof as to why I think he is town.

unvote

I already sent the money, so I won't have any to spend till tomorrow, when I get my investment.

[hiphop]

Fuck me, I need to talk to Slaxx asap, for now

Unvote

.

Sigh, Slaxx seems insistent that the self-vote makes Hiphop town. I'm slightly less convinced but I do know that the both of us do need to re-read this bitch at some point in the next few days.

I agree with GreyICE. What is this I don't even

[hiphop]

I am not voting until 84 hours into the day, for I have no money to bid on watcher because I sent it all to GI, since I thought I was going to be lynched.

[hiphop]

nope, I believe 84 hours is just another hour right?

[hiphop]

vote HellloooNewman

[hiphop]

Aren't we lynching Ethos and NKing newman?

Or are we lynching newman and NKing Ethos.

Either way is good.

I plan on lynching the sk. What are you planning on?

And use it on LLd.

[hiphop]

now

[hiphop]

Honestly, if this happened I probably would spent two entire days re-reading this thread and likely make a last minute decision to no-kill.

If I had to kill someone it would potentially be Seacore

because I still don't see Newmanrobber being possible and the strength of the town-read I have on you is incredibly strong along with Voided being clear.

Slaxx here,

Word of the wise to the town: Make sure to clear Voided as planned.

Kill everything that isn't Voided or Seacore.

Good game.

Reg Might have a different opinion or might actually still want to play, but this will probably be the last you get out of me. As much as it comes out as a rage ih8te you guys post, Im actually quite fine with being lynched. Just dont stray from the path.

So, which is it?

[hiphop]

Yeah, scum is Ethos. I'm the one player that makes the least sense as a robber, having outted the robber with my questions.

Anyway.

Vote Newman

deal with Ethos tomorrow.

1.That really does not make any sense being that, everyone knew that someone was robbing.
2. If Ethos is scum...Why the vote for HN?
3. Ethos has 2 votes, Hn had 1, why vote for HN?
4. Fyi, one of those quotes was written by slaxx, and the other Regfen, but since they both are on the same player spot I wanted clarification as to what they were pushing for.
5. Yeah, those 2 lines really should not be in the same quote. If Ethos is scum...

[hiphop]

1. I had bid $450 on watcher, not GI. If you want to spend $451 go ahead and take it.

2. If you really think my self-vote was a gambit(first time I have voted myself), why would I send GI $448.(confirm tomorrow), for if I was the sk, then the game would be over? And if I wasn't I would need that money for myself. In fact, why would I have sent the $100 to GI 2 days ago, for if I was the Sk, I am sending money to someone that has a different win condition?

3. Me voting for Hn, instead of you Ethos, even though Seacore(the potential hammerer), supports your lynch, shows what? For if you look at the board, you, who support my lynch, combined with voided, and Hn(who won't vote for himself), could easily put me away. When I need you, or voided, which both of you support my lynch over Hn, to switch over, in order to get this lynch. Yet, my vote remains, because Hn is the SK. Furthermore, Voided holds the Nk, and me as the SK, clearly is showing that I would rather have Ethos-me potential kill tonight, when voided has said, he would rather have me dead then you(Ethos). Compare that to you being lynched, and a hn-me, who Voided has not given an opinion on. Yet my vote remains, because Hn is the SK. Why, Ethos? Exactly, because Hn is the SK.

Now will you please vote with me, for the longer we sit here, the longer the chance the SK has of bidding on an item and stealing the funds.

A few things to note.
1. If the Sk wins commuter, it does him no good, because he can't RB as well, creating only 1 obstacle for hitman to get through.(I just realized that)
2. The Sk most likely won gravedigger, since no one has volunteered, which means he holds DV. So in my opinion if town wake up tomorrow with 4 alive, they should no vote, and get the nk instead. This way, the sk can't have town vote for another town, and then auto-lynch them with Dv.

[hiphop]

ok, Ethos, if you say so, though I still disagree. Curious- Have you sent any money to Seacore or Voided before today, if even today? If not, why?

Also, you are still second, whether or not you agree that you should be 2nd on my list. The main reason as to why I believe one of you is the sk, is because of this page. There was less than 30 minutes from the votecount to when the robber struck. There were 3 people who posted between the votecount and the theft. You, IceGuy, and Hn. All of this happened 7am in the morning on a Friday.(I was asleep, who would get up that early, when they don't have to.) Nobody alive, besides you and Hn, posted hours before, or hours after this happened. Granted, of course, someone could have been lurking at 7am in the morning, and saw the bids, stole, and left within 30 minutes, but why shouldn't we look at the obvious first? Now, most likely, you will come back screaming as we shouldn't based the sk on something that has nothing to do with posting, but I am, especially when clearly the SK is most likely one of you 2.

[hiphop]

In fact Seacore was V/la at this time.

[hiphop]

2) The robber can ask to have the robbing occur at a certain time, ie they could ask to have it done when they're not awake.

Really? I wonder if we can mod-confirm this. Though I am not sure why it would not have been simultaneously with the vote count.

[hiphop]

I'm gonna transfer my money to Seacore.

Did you do this?

unvote

I think we should no-lynch.

GI- I heard you are a big fan of meta, have you done it on me?

Best game I have ever played. 2 scum dead, day 3. I go from one of Spyrex, Crypto scum to them town, to them scum, to them town again. Spyrex the last scum lynched, I was not part of it. It was not lylo.

scum game
scum game
town game

Last 4 complete games, though the first 1, was last year.

[hiphop]

Changed my mind, and forget it then.

[hiphop]

And Ethos, the reason as to why I suggested a no-lynch because there are too many town tells. I want to see who actually transferred their money, and who didn't.

And thanks, to the person who had bid on Watcher. I told you, $450 is the bid you need to make. When one invests $300, he gets $450.