Panacea wrote:Lol, totally saw the VT role pm quoted out of the corner of my eye, and was like "Wha..?"
Hmm... and why exactly would this make you go "wha?"? AFAIK it is mandatory in Mini Normals to have a sample VT role PM.
Panacea wrote:Yes,VT. My sixth is also ongoing. It really isn't much of a "plunge." I've been meaning to, but kept chickening out.
My join date is a bit old. I played my five, then had several unexpected months of V/LA that knocked me into a year's hiatus. But I had to get my fix.
hiplop wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Charter. Nitpicking way too much for page 3. From what i remember; he never played like this, grasping for too many straws, too quickly.
Phoebus wrote:Panacea wrote:Um... A rebuttal is freaking out?
That was not a rebuttal. It was a blathering mixture of sarcasm and attempts at irony and cutesiness.
If you want me to take a "rebuttal" seriously, trying being slightly more dispassionate. Throwing in a ton of, what are usually, defense mechanisms doesn't help your case.
charter wrote:Panacea wrote:Hell, yes! L-2 in less than 20 player-posts. Personal record for me.
Charter, what style exactly could you possibly glean from a non-reason-less (and therefor boring ) Random Vote?
UNVOTE: Hiplop, because I have a feeling I'll want it freed up.
I was going to vote you and not give any reason. I don't like how you're posting a ton but saying nothing. I doubly don't like how you're excited that you're at L-2.
I think you're scum. I think Balter is your buddy. Discuss.
VP Baltar wrote:Pappus Rat - how much of the panacea wagon do you think is your doing? What exactly are the suspicions you see about me regarding her?
Zachrulez wrote:2nd Vote Count of Day 1:
Panacea - 3 (Phoebus, Charter, pappums rat)
Phoebus - 3 (VP Baltar, Juls, Budja)
Hiplop - 1 (Beck)
Charter - 1 (Hiplop)
Not voting (Panacea)
With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.
Day One will end no later than Monday July 25th at 6:30PM CST
Budja wrote:Quick meta check and smiley-filled posts seem to be a playstyle thing for Panacea. So it's null.
vote: Phoebus
Budja wrote:Honestly Charter, not much. Your all a pretty homogeneous lot right now.
I only bothered meta-ing Panacea because of the smilies. If she is scum, shes pretty damn relaxed about it. (i.e town)
VP Baltar wrote:pappums wrote:I have done a lot of arguing to pressure Panacea
I see you arguing nonsense like VT slips. I don't see anything else that you've done.
pappums wrote:have probably brought forth the most reasoning why she is likely scum
no, you haven't. Others have been involved and you've come up afterward to claim credit.
pappums wrote:I never even said I was a "significant mover", I said I shared with Phoebus responsibility for her, meaning we have both done a lot to push this wagon.
Does not compute. You say you never claimed to be a significant pusher of the wagon, but you claim equal responsibility with Phoebus as the people who have pushed it the most. I don't even understand how you wrote that sentence with a straight face.
VP Baltar wrote:unvote, vote: phoebus
Scum right thar.
Juls wrote:rat wrote:Juls, was your vote on Phoebus serious or not?
Sure. Why wouldn't it be?
Panacea wrote:What makes this defense worse is that I post smilies equally in frequency when I'm having fun, regardless of alignment. It's not a tactic or a play style; it's more of a personality thing. That being said, either he did meta me and is lying about what he found, or he didn't meta me and is lying about actually meta'ing me at all. To support this(Pappums Rat wrote:Is another defense of Panacea, claiming that he meta'ed Panacea and said that using smilies is a town-tell. I forget exactly what it is called, but using excessive smilies can be a tactic used by scum to soften up townie's impressions of scum. So at this point Budja is also on my scumdar, probably surpassing VP due to the fact that VP's questions have a little more pro-town potential than Budja's crappy meta/smily defense.
Also, I second the request for Panacea's meta that supports her using more smilies as town.win,loss):
Newbie 922Vanilla, killed N2.
Newbie 890Vanilla, killed N1.
Newbie 879Mafia Roleblocker, Survived.
Newbie 868Mafia Roleblocker, lynched D4.
Newbie 863Vanilla, lynched D3.
VP Baltar wrote:pappums rat - you would say the main case you are making against Panacea is that she is not contributing content to the thread even though she's posting, right?
VP Baltar wrote:If I was picking between you and hiplop, hiplop is the obv scum. He's probably my second suspect behind pappums. I don't see how I baited him into responding the way he did though actually. He made an initial comment about how much he was pushing the Panacea wagon in Post 71. This tripped my trigger and I asked him to expound on it with an open ended question:
pappums rat wrote:VP wrote:
Pappus Rat - how much of the panacea wagon do you think is your doing? What exactly are the suspicions you see about me regarding her?
I think Phoebus and I have about equal responsibility for the Panacea wagon.
I'm not sure how that's baiting. It wasn't a leading question in any way whatsoever.
hiplop wrote:I've posted once since then. I've just caught up, and i still haven't seen much, i like VP's case on Pappum, but he seemed townish to me a few days ago, gotta think about it.
Breck is being snarky, i tend to see that from scum, a lot.
hiplop wrote:pappums rat wrote:Unvote
Vote hiplop
charter never targeted anyone for being a noob, he has good reason to suspect Panacea and now I can see that he has good reason to suspect you as well. You are completely twisting things around, making terrible arguments and backing them with even worse logic. I would like you to answer a few questions for me if you would:
1. In what way is charter not being sincere? How can you tell that he is not being sincere? In what way is he grasping for straws?
2. Why do you think there are any "huge wagons" in this game? Before I voted you, there were two people with two votes each. How does either of those constitute a "huge wagon"?
Hescloaking it as something else, bgut ultimately its newbness...
i like to exaggerate
Panacea wrote:Ah... At the risk of bunching someone's panties, could it be because all of the fun flavor has been effectively bludgeoned to death in this game? Just sayin'...Hiplop wrote:im here. I am having trouble getting into the game, I have been keeping up.
hiplop wrote:VP BALTAR - He seems town to me, probably my number on town read. everything he posts has a purpose, that seems good in heart.
Juls - Another town read of mine; shes actually doing something lately, and i understand how it was hard for her to get into this game in the beginning, since then shes been pretty good.
Beck - My #1 scum read, hes hypocritical,an exaggerator, not scumhunting, hes snarky and just overall scummy. I'm sure hes scum.
Pappums Rat - Hm, i'd say hes null on the scummier end of the spectrum, he said he was one of the main supporters of pananceaia lynch, despite only bandwagonning without much reason. He seems to be trying to make himself seem townie, despite not doingtownie actions
Hiplop - This guy rocks - obv town
Phoebus - For now id say town, he seems sincereish in his actions, and i cant think of any buddies/motives for his actions.
Budja - Really really weird spot. Scum for now i guess, leaning null. His offense has been weird pointless meta (smilies) and he hasnt done much else other than that; can see scum goinjg for easy target perhaps?
Panaceaa - the more she posts, the scummier she gets. I still think its more of a newb thing, though. People are going pretty hard on her, id say null leaning scum
Charter- His beginning actions were scummy, his recent attacks on me are scummy, no tis not OMGUS, it just unfortunately is on me. He doesnt seem sincere at ALL.
Panacea wrote:@ Pappums: I mean I love this site and playing mafia because it can be so much fun when you get everyone having a good time. It doesn't all have to be about wining. My problem with this particular game is that it is so aggressive and tense and all-around fun-less that I'm having a terribly hard time forcing myself to sit and drag through it.
hiplop wrote:its my typers tone, i dont make big deals out of small things, but i use words like HUGE a lot. just interests me more i suppose, its neither scummy nor townie. IDC how others think it is, its my personality.
why would you be happy with a lynch on me?
Juls wrote:charter and pappum, you have been defending Beck, what do you think of his lying?
Juls wrote:I think Beck is scum. A townie would be able to admit they are wrong. But Beck-scum is so deep in this argument he can't dig himself out. I think my pressure on him the past several pages have shown how scummy he is. His lying is just icing on the cake.
hiplop wrote:No its trash, by anyone who does it.
hiplop wrote:Meta is universally terrible.
How is Beck hypocritical?
Do you really think being "snarky" is a scumtell?
How am I trying to make myself look town?
What about charter's beginning actions were scummy?
In what way does charter not seem sincere to you? Please give examples and tell me why they are not sincere.
charter wrote:What about Budja seems contrived and forced?
What is different about how you're seeing Hiplop?
charter wrote:I agree with you Beck, but I thought his post was quite suspicious, basically a big report on posting frequency. I feel like 'Budja has posted the least' isn't that great of reason to vote him.
And anytime someone replaces in and says "wow, I thought my slot was scum" always makes me think, "I wonder why.. probably are scum". More than once, I've replaced in to a game, and before reading my role, I read the game and make my notes. I read my role, and I had the person I'm replacing down as scum, and they're scum...
VP Baltar wrote:Pappums wrote:Budja's reasons for voting people do not seem to have sincerity behind them (as in, they seem like made-up reasons to me).
I am just not seeing the scum-motivation behind his posts like I was before, he just looks more like a lost townie to me now.
So you see Budja as a townie, but
pappums wrote:Also, his vote on Budja seems to me kind of like a weak bussing attempt.
His vote looks like a bussing attempt? Wouldn't that make Budja scum? I'm unclear on your stance here.
charter wrote:stuff
charter wrote:Pappums, what exactly do you find the most suspicious about Panacea/Psyche?
hiplop wrote:I don't think beck or psyche is scum, i could go for budja tho
VOTE: budja
forgot i didnt have a vote
hiplop wrote:psyche is town guys... what is the scum motive for what hes doing, anyone?
hiplop, speaking about Psyche wrote:i think hes town because i can't see any scum motivation for what hes doing.
hiplop wrote:VP Baltar wrote:I just don't see how a town player could be 3 days away from deadline and be like 'ooops! forgot I'm not voting anyone.'
why not? we have 3 days; the main wagon i disagree with atm. I just forgot to vote someone after i unvoted beck.
Like charter said;id be willing to vote psyche at deadline, but thats it
hiplop wrote:Really, if you ISO Pappums, you will see just how scummy he really is. Recently, hes been pushing for a hammer, and flipping around like a freak, trying to look SOMEONE look worse than him.
hiplop wrote:He doesn't seem to actually have ANY town reads; and hes been making sure we all know who he thinks is scum, giving him a huge le-way to squirm like he is now.
hiplop wrote:pappums rat wrote:Yeah, lynch > no lynch, but I do not agree with lynching someone you have a strong townread on just so someone dies.
Out of context, this post actually makes a lot of sense. When you take it into context; and think about it, i cant think of any town motivation towards it. Its again looking like a mudsling rather than scumhunting.
His most recent post pretty much begging someone to hammer doesnt help either, this guy needs to die.
hiplop wrote:for deadline reasons, yeah. Didnt want a no-lynch, hope we can get pap lycnehd now
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pappums rat
bobsnox wrote:I have a town read on Beck and hiplop is a good enough choice for me, so
VOTE: hiplop
Blatant sheeping, yes I know.
bobsnox wrote:Ok I'm going to suggest that there are a couple scum in Phoebus, Beck, and pappums. Juls flipped town, and I am town, so that takes care of the Psyche wagon. No other wagon was really going on at the lynch, so it's tough to look elsewhere. I will go ahead and ISO those three and look at who Juls suspected beyond Psyche.
bobsnox wrote:Ok ISOs have been read and I have a pretty clear conclusion:
Beck is scum.
Juls pushed hardest to lynch Beck. Juls is dead. Juls did not softclaim a PR or anything like that, so I'm betting that whoever offed her did so because of her suspicions. Who was her biggest suspect? Beck.
So:
UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: Beck
obviously I take back what I said earlier about having a town read on Beck. Juls's ISO really opened my eyes.
charter - why those three and not Beck? I'm assuming you used the Psyche-wagon for your scumlist as well.
VP Baltar wrote:unvote, Vote:pappums
I can buy a pappums wagon after that opportunistic vote.
charter wrote:So, we should lynch Pappums today. Here is, yet another, safe vote. I wouldn't be surprised if Bob somehow winds up being town, just because of the horribly opportunistic vote/ignoring the entire rest of the game that Pappums is doing. He made the same post I would make if I were scum in this game. It's a word for word copy.
bobsnox wrote:Beck wrote:charter wrote:Beck, unvote Bob so Phoebus can't fly in and hammer him. Phoebus needs to post, Pappums needs to post. Enough with this lurking crap.
I don't think we need to un-vote, I would think they woudl be smart enough than to paint a target on their back with a hammer without discussion.
Wait, if i'm supposedly scum then hammering me would be good.
bad bad bad
charter wrote:How about you contribute to the game now, mmkay?
VP Baltar wrote:It's more about the shape of things. People were slobbering all over him immediately. that puts me off a bit.
charter wrote:If anyone looks at how Pappums was playing before anyone was suspicious of him and how he's playing since the last few days of day one, you will notice a dramatic difference.
I don't often go out on a limb like this, but I can count the number of scumbags I've been more sure about on one hand. I'm less sure of people I get guilty investigations on.
charter wrote:pappums rat wrote:charter wrote:How about you contribute to the game now, mmkay?
In what way am I not contributing to the game? I have given my reads and have made a case on bobsnox. I'm not going to blather nonstop about nothing. When things need to be said I say them.
I find it troubling that both charter and VP Baltar, who are both quality players, have no problem with bobsnox's terrible reasoning and play. Not to mention he replaced FUCKING BUDJA.
You have given no reads other than your weak suspicion of Bobs. There are plenty of other players to comment on without blathering nonstop about nothing. Ask Phoebus some questions, lord knows he needs some reasons to start posting.
VP Baltar wrote:hiplop wrote:VP Baltar wrote:Beck wrote:Weren't you one of the people questioning bob out of the box?
Yeah, cause I was trying to figure out his alignment and reasons. That's different from "LOL BOBS HAMMERED> VOTE: BOBSCUM"
whos doing that
You're the worst offender. Pappums' vote post also has a distinct tang of 'I don't care what your actual reasons were'.
charter wrote:Except Pappums isactuallygoing to flip scum. Why are you so against a Pappums lynch? How can you possibly think he's town?
I guess he can claim if he has some useful info, but no claim will stop his lynch.
charter wrote:Lol
Nice try
bobsnox wrote:pappums/hiplop scumteam imo.
beck - how is anyone going to get town points when I flip town? on the other hand, you can't tell me pappums is the model townie. you should promote yourself and hammer him
charter wrote:bobsnox wrote:pappums/hiplop scumteam imo.
beck - how is anyone going to get town points when I flip town? on the other hand, you can't tell me pappums is the model townie. you should promote yourself and hammer him
I will have so many town points it wont even be funny. It might even be enough to get Phoebus to bus his buddy, but as long as they keep Hiplop alive and off in his own little world, it's unlikely.
Hiplop, you haven't said more than two words about Pappums, "I've been going after pappums the whole game" my ass.
Anyway, if ANYONE not voting Pappums is town, you need to switch to Pappums IN YOUR NEXT POST and hammer him. A bobs lynch will be a total disaster and the town will lose.
hiplop wrote:I'm a pretty good player.