Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[hiplop]

confirming it up

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lmao at mastin for making lists for no reason; i'm looking town despite never posting? lol

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VOTE: mastin

Dont see town motivation for what hes doing, not at all. Trying to look helpful despite doing shit.

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I dont see any scum motivation behind it, I just think its kind of odd.

I do.

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I'm thinking in late game. When you ISO someone, and you see things like that; it will look better, and i think he knows that.

Its really just a RV with some reasoning/weight to it.

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key word - looks.

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Town shouldn't have to try to look good. Thats what he is doing, hes not actually doing anything helpful. Its simply an illusion

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muffin i dont see what you dont get... I explained it fine earlier, stop distracting town.

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I can see the reaction fishing ways of it. Yeah

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why is that hiraki?

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i want to know why

you

think i am scum

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I am pretty sure hiplop is town, based on other games I have played/read with him.

What is Hiplop doing here that he is more likely to do as town?(or less likely to do as scum?)

When hiplop is scum, he tends to put up larger posts with a lot of quotes in them to make it seem like he has more to say than he actually does. In the games that he is town, he is more likely to give one-liners and not really back up his arguments well (like he is doing now).

lmao what? I've never done that as scum. I type more the angrier/more interested i am, scum or town.

Are you sure you're not just making shit up?

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you haven't SAID whats scummy about me. SAY WHY NOW

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posting reads based on nothing = town behavior? since when?

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similar play

i see that it could be town, but seems more scum to me

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yeah some have changed the strength of it, only you pappums and now GI seem a slight bit scummy to me really. But nothing all that big.

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Hiraki's still scum, but he'll keep. This is staring me in the face right here, right now. Hiraki's combination aggression and passive-aggressive posts with 'helpful' "oh I is so town" posts like bitching about people gut voting.

One post.

You're full of shit, you know that?

The only thing you have on me at the moment, with

nothing

about anything prior where you actually called me scum, for reasons other than meta.

Grey, why is Hiplop not scum?

YOU'RE PISSED I WANT YOU LYNCHED

FOR THE WRONG REASONS.

YOU'RE NOT PISSED I MISREAD YOU YOU'RE PISSED BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE MY METHODS OF CORRECTLY READING YOU.

ROFLMAO AT THE IDEA YOU'RE TOWN.

ROFLMAO AT THE IDEA I CARE ABOUT HIPLOP RIGHT NOW.

ouch

I care about you hiplop :3

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toonfighter

GM has me convinced

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Btw, nice flipflop hiplop.

.. lol

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GM has me convinced

I assume you are reffering to GreyIce?
Which points convinced you and why?

You too Vezok.

nmissed this post; the entire thing did, really. Yeah greyice

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Hiraki, i want to know what papums was thinking, before i vote him. He hasnt explained yet, ill ask again

PAPPUMS RAT; EXPLAIN THAT META NOW

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Unvote

VOTE: Bowser

why?

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Hiraki, i want to know what papums was thinking, before i vote him. He hasnt explained yet, ill ask again

PAPPUMS RAT; EXPLAIN THAT META NOW

You never asked me to explain shit, you was all like "is you kidding?" and I didnt think that was worth replying to. The game I was thinking about was The original Neruzian Era Mafia, where you were scum and were clearly using much more quotes to bulk up your contributions to the game. Granted, this is a sample size of one game of you as scum, and in retrospect I can see that you did indeed still put out a lot of one-liners, but I thought I would put it out there because I had a town read on you based mainly on that. I still dont see much scum-motivation behind your posts tbh, you just look like oblivious town to me.

differing opinions =/= oblivious. You know your alignment, i do not.

This post does read town to me, though.

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Why do you think he is scum ZMUFFINMAN?

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no. I want to know why YOU think hes scum, i know what im thinking, i need to know what you are

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Hiraki, i want to know what papums was thinking, before i vote him. He hasnt explained yet, ill ask again

PAPPUMS RAT; EXPLAIN THAT META NOW

You never asked me to explain shit, you was all like "is you kidding?" and I didnt think that was worth replying to. The game I was thinking about was The original Neruzian Era Mafia, where you were scum and were clearly using much more quotes to bulk up your contributions to the game. Granted, this is a sample size of one game of you as scum, and in retrospect I can see that you did indeed still put out a lot of one-liners, but I thought I would put it out there because I had a town read on you based mainly on that. I still dont see much scum-motivation behind your posts tbh, you just look like oblivious town to me.

that generally means you don't ignore the post completely.. thats also my second game on this site and i was getting used to the style of play.

glad GreyIce is noticing Mastin's filler-ness, makes me more confident in my read on him. Hiraki/Mastin/Toon are all scum at this point for me

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I'm back. Any questions you need answered?

I see max as town-looking. I'm liking his game so far.

hiplop seems to be defending Bowser in his last few posts. They could be scum together.

I also want to see more reasons for zMuffin's vote.

mastin and GreyICE's discussion could be scum-scum, but not likely. GreyICE seems very firm on his opinions and reluctant to changing votes. I don't know if it's his meta, but it doesn't seem too scummy.

lmao how is that defending bowser? its attacking muffin man.

Notice how he still hasnt said why he thinks bowser is scum? i would have done the same if he said it about anyone; hes blindly bandwagonning

Add Muffin to scum trio too

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whoops ^^ thats me sorry

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i think it was kind of implied oh great maxous. dont take things so literally

fairly obvious i was pushing on Muffin all game, but his latest posts made him propel up the charts

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i think it was kind of implied oh great maxous. dont take things so literally

fairly obvious i was pushing on Muffin all game, but his latest posts made him propel up the charts

As has been noted, this is a gross exaggeration of hiplop's "pushing" of zMuffinMan.

First mention of him was his iso 7, where he told him to

"stop distracting town".

Second was iso 20, where he asked him why he was voting Bowser.

Third was iso 22, where he was asking him why he thinks Bowser is scum.

Fourth was iso 25 (posted today) where he says he wasnt defending Bowser (which he obviously wasn't) but says he was "attacking" ZMuffinMan (which he obviously wasn't). He goes on to say that zMuffinMan is "blindly bandwagoning" and is now also in the "scum trio".

hiplop clearly was not pushing ZMuffinMan all game, he was asking him questions and then when hiplop gets a little pressure with an erroneous comment about defending Bowser, he greatly overstated his scumhunting on zMuffinMan. This I do see scum motivation in, and since edmund's wagon is going nowhere,

unvote
Vote: hiplop

in context it was a push, may have also used pronouns to reference him; you don't have a case and you're going for an easy lynch. gonna look over and see if anything needs to be replied to

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Muffinman, no its just my scumlist, really. I dont believe you guys are all scum, but the highest chance of scum.

Ie i support your lynches

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Hiplop has been caught lying

3 times

As for Mastin: All you need to know

Not that he won't do it as scum either but consider it a null-tell and take no heed of it.

when have i ever lied?

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If mastin fake claimed.. what the fuck? you're going to get me killed, and you. Seriously....

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Did hiplop just claim scumbuddies with mastin?

no. read again, im angry that because of him im likely dying today, was excited to play this game; neruz rocks, not sure if hes town or not; if hes scum he did good i suppose, if town facepalm

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LMAO whoops. I put that in during a preview (neruz rocks). Bad sentence structure there...

there's nothing left for me to reply to.

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just saw pappums post.

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in context it was a push, may have also used pronouns to reference him; you don't have a case and you're going for an easy lynch. gonna look over and see if anything needs to be replied to

No, in context it is exactly as I have laid it out as. This is not a case that I have laid out on you, it is analysis from one post that you made in which you blatantly lied about your interactions with ZMuffinMan. Going for an easy lynch, eh? I defended you for the first 90% of the game, and then you lied and I voted you. Here are some things that I would like you to reply to (please give me a sentence or three giving the general reasons why for each):

1. Why do you suspect me?
2. Why do you suspect ZMuffinMan?
3. Why do you agree with GreyICE's case against Toon Fighter?
4. Why do you suspect Hiraki?

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Bogus meta, you don't seem to be doing much productivity, its a weaker read.

Zmuffinman was distracting the town, refusal to explain himself, snarkiness, he hasn't really had an opinion on anything; merely tiptoeing around everything; making him a prime candidate for scum

Because it makes sense? GreyICE did a good job explaining it, and i agree with him/her

Hes just being all around scummy, all of his actions don't seem to represent a town-mindset to me, at all.

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nothing to say really to that post; VCA followed by some odd offense. Don't agree with any of it, really. You think im scum for disagreeing with you, essentially

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: muffin

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No reasoning = scum

Unvote; Vote: hiplop

mastin's list can go die. In a pot. Of molten lava.

post 400 brah

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Maxous, for some reason i didnt see the post until then, i do remember that specifcally, has been happening on all kinds of forums, think its firefox maybe (posts disappearing)

2. I honestly thought i was pushing harder than that, in my mind i was, i knowi had a mini-fight with him somewhere back there, and for some reason i said all game

3. Doesnt even make sense, the same things applied, and i must have missed that too, then. Sorry, i read through it a few times, actually and it made perfect sense

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Unvote

Hiplop is newbie.

Newb scum don't apologize. At least, it's enough to convince me to look for another lynch for today.

Vote: Bowser

??????

Anybody can apologize, i really don't see your point; nor do i like you switching off of me for no real reason.

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UNVOTE: VOTE: bowser

5 to deadlin4e and it makes sense

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hiplop's vote on Bowser seem more like saving himself than anything else. The only reasoning is the deadline, that is not that short, and is probabily going to be extended. The "make sense" thing is waaay scummy. Anyone agrees?

agreeing = scummy?

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UNVOTE:

Bowsers recent posts show a glimpse of town, going to have to rethink this; i saw something not so great just a second a go, cant remember what it was

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Bowser's defense was bad, but I dont necessarily think that he is scum because of it. IMO there are plenty more people who should be lynched over Bowser at this point.

UNVOTE: VOTE: bowser

5 to deadlin4e and it makes sense

^ Bad vote. After expressing no suspicion of Bowser beforehand, and with a Bowser wagon starting, I see this as an attempt to bolster a counter-wagon to his own wagon. WHY IS HE NOT LYNCHED YET FFS.

Not a good post; not at all. I'd be willing to vote pappums; his plays been rubbing me the wrong way most of the game, and his recent play is solifying that.

VOTE: pappums rat

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pappum's rat capslockraged because he's getting voted. lolscum!

Unvote; Vote: pappums

I capslockraged because hiplop has flipfloped from wagon to wagon whenever he sees an opportunity to jump to a wagon that is gaining steam (or in my case one that mastin said he would support). I'm not going to capslockrage because I get one lousy vote on me.

hiplop still needs to explain what about the Bowser wagon he agreed with.

all of his stalling made me believe he wasn't a good guy. His walls kinda deflected it though

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I guess you all forgot about hiplop...

i didnt

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First part of pappums post seemed townie to me, anyone else see that?

Pappums; i usually play the one-line style early on, and slowly develop into more serious play, just my style.

Hes like my 3rd or 4th highest suspect, just overall not that great and he seems pretty fake

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The night really makes no difference. Hiplop basically said that he's not going to care about the game that much until the end.

no i didnt. Ask anyone whos played with me; i usually pick up near the end of D1/D2. Its something i need to improve on.

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No. Pappums.

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is it possible in your opinion that hiplop and bowser are scum together?

Yes, but Bowser is probs not scum after that fast wagon.

Either that, or he actually ticked off his scumbuds, if they have day chat.

You haven't really explained how chk is scummy. He's just scummy. That's all you've managed to say. You've also drawn up relationships, which is making your credibility really low. In fact, why would you vote chkflip, the small wagon, against hiplop, the larger wagon, when the deadline is approaching and you've noted that you'll probably be out a few days?

This isn't really making much sense.

Agreed. He also brought up a bowser/me scumteam, then said he will not vote for bowser, despite me and him being the only large wagons/ones with interest.

Explain?

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ty bowser <3

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sad panda

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GreyICE, would you consider a Pappums lynch? or is it out of question?

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GreyICE,

Are you saying it is scummy for a player to give out reads without providing adequate reasoning for the reads?

unvote

VOTE: Hiplop

Yeah I changed my mind again, let's just do this already.

bullshit. Can you explain why you decided i've become scummier?

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pretty much "I CANT GET HIM LYNCHED, SO IMA BANDWAGON AGAIN".

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pretty much "I CANT GET HIM LYNCHED, SO IMA BANDWAGON AGAIN".

:goodposting:

you're post is even better

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purposely used the wrong your...or something

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no i dont

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Goddamn I wish we could lynch hiplop AND Toon Fighter today ffs.

shut up scum

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Hey. Neruz PMed me and said if we lynch Toon Fighter today, he'll modkill hiplop. No jokes. All the hiplop voters should jump on Toon Fighter. It's win/win.

Please?

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Mastin is a great player, I don't see your problem GreyICE. We all KNOW what hes thinking, 100%. I have no idea what you're thinking, so i naturally side more with Mastin. All i know is YOU WANT TOONFIGHTER DEAD. Thats it. What happens if he flips town, GreyICE? You probably don't want him to actually die, you want him to be alive as long as possible so you can stick to one thought process.

Pretty sure its Pappums/GreyICE/ Empking.

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cool, but hes the only one you've talked about all game, really. Who would you target after?

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Mastin is a great player, I don't see your problem GreyICE. We all KNOW what hes thinking, 100%. I have no idea what you're thinking, so i naturally side more with Mastin. All i know is YOU WANT TOONFIGHTER DEAD. Thats it. What happens if he flips town, GreyICE? You probably don't want him to actually die, you want him to be alive as long as possible so you can stick to one thought process.

Pretty sure its Pappums/GreyICE/ Empking

.

Hey maxous, is suspect Emp for a reason

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@hiplop: please explain me why mastin is a great player. Be convincing. Point to meta or explain me his merits in this very game. Show me that you are not sheeping the player with a lot of posts to get his help. becuase that is what I see there.

@sorg: lol @the buddy stuff. Really. Double, triple lol. Ok, he is a newbie. Why is someone who does not understand the word scumbuddy in a large game in the first place? Null. But lol. sorg, give me your reads on mastin: is he town or scum?

How isn't he a great player? Everyone knows what he is thinking, hes actively scumhunting all through the game, and the logic he explained is pretty ace.

Why are you tunneling?

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GreyICE also ignores me to RVote.

Phoebus votes me without a word. But it's a Policy Vote. Phoebus's only game with me was when I was a Lyncher. It was a Large Normal. ("Lyncher. In. A. Normal. Whut?" Yeeeeeeeeeeeah, that game's kinda the reason we have setup reviewers, now. It also had a cult which could kill, and a mafia mason, among others.) He saw me as anti-town, he thinks of me in general as anti-town. Simple enough logic. I don't feel he would've bandwagoned me as scum.

At least, not like this--he votes me without a word. Implying his dislike, rather than flat-out stating it. It has a serious town Tone to the vote. (Yes, Votes have Tone. I cover this in my Guide To Scumhunting.)

WIN

Vote: Tomie

This reeks of 1: bandwagoning (and perhaps hypocrisy--depends on how you interpret the "WIN"; the tone is rather ambiguous), and 2: bussing Tomie.

Bowser--who trusted my reads in his last post--follows this trust to a logical conclusion. Serious town points, for Bowser.

No doubt Warrior's a newb. This ignorance reads as newb-town rather than newb-scum. The Late-RV is generally a signature town move.

And phoebus is scum

VOTE: Phoebus

Scumhunts on something which on the surface does look bad. This shows a legitimate interest in trying to find the scum. Muffin is among the first to do this. And is therefore town.

Hey mastin what exactly are you trying to accomplish with these "reads" of yours?

1: Scum tone. Pappums uses safe wording. 2: This is fluff. Asking me what I intend to achieve with that strategy is something to make Pappums look like he's contributing to discussion, when in fact this question is useless. 3: It also plants doubt in the town's mind as to my legitimacy.

I dont see any scum motivation behind it, I just think its kind of odd.

Fencesitting. Leaves open a back door to track through if necessary, if the need arises for mastin-suspicion. Gives nothing productive to the discussion--doesn't mention why it's odd, doesn't say why he doesn't see scum motivation in it...doesn't give anything.

It's a worthless scum post. It has a clear scum motive behind it: trying to appear more town than he really is. And guess what? So far, the town appears to have mostly bought it.

In what way could mastin's lolreads possibly be misconstrued by anyone as "trying to look helpful" ? He claims to have reads on people who have only posted their "/confirm".

Pressures hiplop, yet doesn't vote hiplop. It also subtly plants the idea that "Mastin's reads are worthless". (When I've rather conclusively shown you how my reads were in fact serious, and quite objective in their basis.)

somerandomguy ( 2 ) - PranaDevil, warriormode
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy, edmund.angles
Hirarky ( 2 ) - paupam's rat, GreyICE

Two scum in here, guaranteed. Edmund is one, and Pappums is the other. (This is one of the main reasons GreyICE is at the bottom of my scum-list: he really is the most likely to be wrong.)

paupam's rat ( 1 ) - Hirarky
Bowser ( 1 ) - Uprising
Phoebus ( 1 ) - zMuffinMan

I'd also expect one scum here as well. It's not Hiraki or Muffin, so if there's scum, it's Uprising/chk.

mastin2 ( 6 ) - Toon Fighter, Tomie Uzumaki, Maxous, malpascp, Phoebus, hiplop

This does need 1-2 scum on it, but I've pretty well explained my reads on pretty much all of them, showing why Tomie's my main suspect, here.

This is 3-5 of the scum. So, in conclusion, 0-2 (most likely one) is in the leftovers. Like, oh...

Tomie Uzumaki ( 3 ) - mastin2, Empking, Bowser

There! Very likely one scum. Empking fits the pattern.

This is only through page three. (...I'm not going to finish this tonight, am I? >_< So much for my promise... :/)

This entire post. Way more than enough proof in here that hes a strong player. He's done much more than you have GREYICE

so in other news, lewarcher is scum. Making a big deal out of nothing...

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:headdesk: What parts of that do you think are signs of good scumhunting and why? Also your OMGUS read on lew is hilarious, pretty much everyone who has suspected you has in turn gotten called scum by you.

He pretty much said everything perfectly, he uses the same scumhunting strategy (sort of) that I do. And I could follow it perfectly. He uses tone, specifically. Which is an amazing way to find scum. You can find their intentions this way.

Pappums, why are you so mad? Its a game, not a place to feed some sort of internet ego.

Did you see lews latest post? Idc who it was about, it just happened to be on me. How is there ANY town motivation for what he said? Seriously explain.

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other scummy reaction of yours: I made cases on different players, you are one of them and the only one viable for a lynch. This does not qualify as tunneling. And even if it did, it would be ok, because you are scum.

how do you know what mastin is thinking? I know what he is writing, not what he is thinking. Because I do not know his alignment, although I think he is likely town. The only way you could know his posting is true and sincere - so the only way you could know what he is thinking - is that you know his alignment for sure, meaning that you are scum. soft scum slip & major scum sheep.

moar votes here plz

Complete dramatization, If thats not grasping for straws, I don't know what is, honestly. He completely twisted my words, I said mastin has made it clear what hes thinking, and lewarcher uses it as a smurfing scumtell. Thats not townie play.

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Honestly, I still don't see how my play is justifiable as scummy, I really haven't done anything that could be considered scummy, except for maybe defending mastin, but that was only recently.

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Not at all Hiraki, dead serious.

Scum are on my wagon, that's why Sorgy. I guess I could be seen as a lurker; but really, me on day one? For those reasons is pretty meh to be completely honest. You don't learn anything from my death..

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lol.

Good luck town.

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Oh wait, hiplop dodged my question, and explained nothing.

Unvote

Vote: hiplop

Do bother to die.

wat?

i thought i was dead I guess it's good that I'm not, but yeah.

Can we lynch pappums, pweaase?

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i didn't dodge any questions, but w/e.

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and I replied to that.

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what do you learn from my flip? nothing.

I believe thats a hammer?

w/e good luck town.

[hiplop]

VOTE: toonfighter Pappums isnt dying today, sadly.

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to be fair, max and chk aren't derps.

[hiplop]

Can someone at least explain why I'm scum, in a nice organized post? I'd like to know where to improve my town play.

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The entire case on me is based on the last 3 pages? yeah no.

I really considered mastins play

this game

really good. In the beginning I agreed with you, apparent by my attack on him, but he proved he is a good player to me at least. IDC if you agree, in my mind hes played well this game (IF HES TOWN).

I really do want to know why I'm getting lynched, I know why GreyICE is voting me, but I don't know why ANYONE else is. I guarantee if you ask every person on my wagon to explain in detail why I am scum, half of them wouldn't be able to answer it. Most of the votes on me are like "largest wagon" "we have to vote someone"... there isn't really a case against me, so I can't defend myself.. :\

Well good luck guys I hope you have a fun game

[hiplop]

Oh, My bad. Thought I claimed a little while back.

Unfortunately I'm a VT

[hiplop]

Oh, hey, cool. We're looking at 8 votes on hiplop and 7 votes on toon right now.

The toon lynch can happen.

I HAVE FAITH. 4 MORE. WE CAN DO IT.

<3 pwease? :3

[hiplop]

Why isnt toonfighter scum anymore?

[hiplop]

Because you're alive, and you are scum, and his wagon is now competing with yours.

So hurry up and die.

but im not scum. Other than thinking mastins a good player; YOU HAVENT SAID WHY YOU THINK IM SCUM. My god, its not like I said "HES ALWAYS RIGHT AND EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS AMAZING". No, I just think hes a good player.

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im not even flailing bro

[hiplop]

uh I mean I'm not even flailing...male sibling?