Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[Seacore]

Okay I just got my answer. So as you'll recall, my questions was

"Are there more than two different win conditions among the role PMs sent to players?"

My answer was in the

affirmative

(just in case quoting = copying a one word answer)

So, there's the win condition in the Entrepreneur Role PM. Then there's the scum one. Then there's at least one more.
Unless there's a hole in my question, but I think I've covered it.
So, that could mean there's a 3rd party. Or it could mean that members of one of the other two factions have a different worded win con. So if you're town and not an Entrepreneur, check your win con. Don't answer anything in thread, but eventually, I might want to know.

Tomorrow I might as about how many people are in the same faction as the Mafia Zaibatsu Member.

[hiphop]

Am I the only one who sees that nk went for $100? Which means that town does not have it, but mafia.

Oh and because I did not win any auctions yesterday, and had invested money at the start of the day yesterday, I fully intend to win an ability today. I was thinking nk, thoughts?

[Seacore]

Of course hiphop, I made the connection the moment Night landed and then promptly forgot. Excellent job picking that up.

That means
1. Doc protected target
2. WLC won the NK.
3. Scum held on to the kill.

However, if that's the case, then we must assume that no other scum were in a position to outbid him, because why wouldn't they have just bid $1 more?

There's the possibility that there is town with lots of money and they did that... but still.

Yes hiphop, throw all of your money down on the NK. Good job!

[Ethos]

Given the specific name of the mafia player being flipped (Zaibatsu) and the answer to Seacores question I believe it's probable that we're up against two scum-teams probably both consisting of two members which means that I'm going to have to go over my reads again to find out which are entirely reliant on WLC flipping scum and which aren't.

Hiphop, I was sort of hoping that not mentioning that it went for $100 might trick mafia into claiming the ability giving us a confirmed mafia nevertheless nothing I can do about it now that you've mentioned it. I believe you aiming for nightkill would be a great idea and anyone who opposes it needs to state so soon. No one apart from hiphop should be placing any bet on night kill today.

So the following are occurances need to happen today: Cop claiming and revealing their report and Extra vote and vote nullifer claiming.

[hiphop]

I see your point ethos, I just didn't want town to get sidetracked, but your way would have better.

[hiphop]

EBWOP:
I see your point ethos, I just didn't want town to get sidetracked, but your way would have been better.

[PeregrineV]

Thoughts on current auction:
12 Auction Detective- good if you suspect someone of purchasing an auction but aren't sure. Not so good now, probably better near endgame.
13 Commuter- could act as BP for town. Not so useful now with us able to track the NK through auction. More useful for scum, as could block investigation role.
15 Love Potion- very specifc like auction detective. Best for scum, or if you suspect someone strongly as scum.
16 Medium-

@Mod- Does this use a "usage" if your target player does not die?

This is hit or miss for town, but scum would know who they are targeting.
17 Night-kill- Town needs this.
18 Ninja-Town needs to keep this form scum. Can't think of any town uses, except if scum uses investigative roles.
19 Roleblocker- Good if town gets and gets lucky with RBing scum.
20 Tracker-Good for following suspicious players
21 Watcher-best of the two.

Yesterday's auction:
Not sure why cop went for $95. Either scum won it, or they tried to artificially inflate the price like we did for NK.
Kudos to Newman for accurate depiction of the day2 auction. Doesn't full indicate alignment, but gives a good example of something that's confirmable.

@Malpascp- Watcher is better because a target could have multiple visitors while a tracker only follows one person, who can usually only target one person. Watcher provides more information, which is reflected in the number of uses and the cost.

[hiphop]

Nk is currently at $117, Either
A: town had bid on it, before I said something.
B: Scum had bid on it.

And if it is scum, would it be more likely someone that has posted in day 2, or a lurker?

[Seacore]

If A, they should immediately claim. Otherwise we can assume B, A will be forgiven and we can assume they weren't reading the thread, no scum tell attached.

If B, I don't think we can assume either way. Since they could have bid on it before you declared.

[Magua]

@Mod- Does this use a "usage" if your target player does not die?

Yes, an activation of Medium still counts if the chosen player does not die. Similarly, an activation of Last Will still counts even if the activator does not die.

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.1

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Not voting (12): IceGuy, RedCoyote, Ethos, bobsnox, PeregrineV, Midnight's Sorrow, HellloooNewman, hiphop, Seacore, ChaosOmega, Ghostlin, malpascp

Deadline is July 20th, at 1:00pm EST (site time).
Coutdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-07-20 13:00:00)

Most Advertised Ability:

None

#	Name	Minimum Bid	Current Bid	Auction Length	Countdown
12	Auction Detective x 2	$25	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-11 13:00:00)
13	Commuter x 2	$25	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-11 13:00:00)
14	Doctor x 2	$40	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-11 13:00:00)
15	Love Potion x 1	$25	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-11 13:00:00)
16	Medium x 3	$25	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-11 13:00:00)
17	Night-kill x 1	$50	$190	7 days	(expired on 2011-07-13 13:00:00)
18	Ninja x 4	$25	-	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-09 13:00:00)
19	Roleblocker x 3	$50	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-11 13:00:00)
20	Tracker x 2	$10	$10	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-09 13:00:00)
21	Watcher x 1	$20	$20	7 days	(expired on 2011-07-13 13:00:00)

Spoiler: Abridged Ability Glossary

• Auction Detective (Day):
  Choose another player and a specific auction from the current Day. You will learn whether or not that player won that auction (if it has ended) or is the current highest bidder (if it is still running).
• Commuter (Personal):
  All Targeted abilities that target you will be roleblocked. However, you may not activate any of your Targeted abilities. Personal abilities may be activated and will continue to work as normal. If a Targeted ability that would return a result is used on you, it will instead return “Ability failed”.
• Doctor (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will be protected against a single Night-kill that targets them this Night.
• Love Potion (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will not be allowed to vote for a player of your choice (which may be you) during the next Day, chosen when you activate this power. This will be announced in-thread the first time your targeted player attempts to vote for the chosen player. This will not affect the lynch threshhold.
• Medium (Targeted):
  Choose another player. If that player dies during this Night, a Ghost Quicktopic will be provided that either of you may talk in at any time until the end of the following Day, at which time it will be closed. The dead player will not be given the results of any of their abilities for the Night they died, and they will not be given access to the Dead Quicktopic until the Ghost Quicktopic has closed.
• Night-kill (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will die unless protected.
• Ninja (Personal):
  You may choose which of your visits (if any) will appear on Tracker or Watcher reports and which will not.
• Roleblocker (Targeted):
  Choose another player. All of their Targeted abilities that they activated for that night, except for roleblocks, will fail. Personal abilities will continue to work. Abilities that were not activated are not affected. If the Targeted ability would return a result, it will instead return “Ability failed”.
• Tracker (Targeted):
  Choose another player. You will be informed which players (if any) that player visited during the Night, but not the nature of each visit. However, other abilities may modify the result of the report. A roleblocked ability activation is not considered a visit.
• Watcher (Targeted):
  Choose another player. You will be informed which players (if any) visited that player during the Night, but not the nature of each visit. However, other abilities may modify the result of the report. A roleblocked ability activation is not considered a visit.

[HellloooNewman]

I bid as much as I could on NK, but was still outbid.

I have 1 more use of Oracle. Should I use it, or hang on to it?

[malpascp]

@HM: So that means that there are 3 people bidding on NK? Or did you bid 189$?

[HellloooNewman]

I bid a lesser amount, and was outbid. I then bid all that I had left available, $189, and was outbid.

[Ethos]

I'm 12 years old and what is this. Hiphop openely stated that he was spending all of his funds on night-kill, why would you attempt to compete with him in it Newman, that's just wasting towns funds. In regards to the items up for auction tommorow I see no reason not to use it now.

[malpascp]

Why did you bid on NK when it was agreeded that that would be HipHop's task?

[malpascp]

Damn you Ethos

I think you should use it now. Usefull information to the town and so on. And btw, I disliked that bid on NK. Actually, I disliked the claim, because I think that any townie would pay attention to the board before making a bid. Either ways, I think you are scum.

Vote: HellloooNewman

[ChaosOmega]

vote: malpascp

[Ethos]

Seacore, here is the question you need:

"Are there three or more factions consisting of at least two people?"

That will tell us whether its 2/2/8 or not.

[bobsnox]

Checking. Super busy IRL. Yay I nailed scum. Do not like newman's nk bid

VOTE: hellonewman

[HellloooNewman]

I bid on NK within an hour of the day starting. Nobody had set forth any plan yet. Then, the next time I logged into the site, I looked at my email first, bid, then read the posts.

I honestly can't believe I have 2 votes because of this. It's a simple misunderstanding.

Also, if I were scum, why the hell would I have said anything at all?!?

[IceGuy]

Also, if I were scum, why the hell would I have said anything at all?!?

Because the "Auction Detective" ability would've made it known anyway.

[HellloooNewman]

So, let me understand you. I told you all what I did because:

A) I was worried someone might buy auction detective
B) I was furthermore worried that I would be chosen to use it on
C) I was also worried that the ability that they would try to investigate the NK

Damn. You caught me.

Oh, by the way, there is one huge flaw in your plan. Auction detective shows if someone has won or is the current high bidder on an auction. I am neither on NK.

Try again?

[malpascp]

Maybe

you

forgot that detail

[HellloooNewman]

.....even though I am the one that brought it to your attention??

Did everyone suffer some sort of severe head injury overnight, or what?