Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hero- You say you are hesitant to share reads or argue over alignments because the cult could use that information... do you not think we would like that information as well?

Do you not think the cult (the informed minority) would benefit more from this information than the town (the uninformed majority)?

[Battousai]

Well, if hero got a xxx is recruited he would claim it, so the only other thing is if xxx isn't recruited. I see nothing wrong with him actually scumhunting and giving scumreads, as to scum that would mean that 1) that person wasn't targeted and that information is worthless 2) that hero finds that person scummy, again worthless.

Also the fact that you are calling scum informed and us uninformed, yet want to halt information to the uninformed is weird.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, if hero got a xxx is recruited he would claim it, so the only other thing is if xxx isn't recruited. I see nothing wrong with him actually scumhunting and giving scumreads, as to scum that would mean that 1) that person wasn't targeted and that information is worthless 2) that hero finds that person scummy, again worthless.

Also the fact that you are calling scum informed and us uninformed, yet want to halt information to the uninformed is weird.

We would become slightly more informed.

However, if you are ALREADY informed... the information actually can mean a great deal more to you. Especially with 2 recruiters, and neither knowing who the other recruits?

[Battousai]

But how is him telling us who he thinks is scum actually worthwhile information to them?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But how is him telling us who he thinks is scum actually worthwhile information to them?

Are we on two completely different levels here?

I thought you were asking him to out an innocent result.

Him expressing scum reads should be something he does ANYWAY. That doesn't apply in this argument?

[Katsuki]

V//AL 8th

[Battousai]

He explained his inactivity as being hesitant to provide his reads and argue alignment as to not give the CRs information, which I find just wrong. I can see not giving your town reads, but I can't see not giving your scum reads.

[populartajo]

V//AL 8th

WTF IS THIS

[DrippingGoofball]

He's making us waste one more day to get a fakeclaim, read my sig.

-AND-

Don't we have bankable deadlines?

[Zdenek]

Seriously, Flameaxe basically has to be scum because of his LL vote. He was on Cobbler, who's been pretty scummy all game, and there is essentially no reason to unvote him. In the post where he unvoted it seemed like he acted as though his vote was on Katsuki. If you ask me, it was a move to put his vote in a place where it was more fluid.

However, since no one seems to care about that, and Katsuki's failure to claim pisses me off.

VOTE: Katsuki

I would also be okay with lynching Tanarin.

DGB's entire style of play this game strikes me as wifom - her antics make me want to lynch her which in turn makes me think there is no chance that she would have been recruited, which makes me think that she was recruited and so on and so on. The fact that her actions are what started this whole business off, make me suspicious of her. On the grounds that Yosarian isn't suspicious of her. I'm not going to push this idea now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

GOGO LYNCH SCUM

[Flameaxe]

If there's no reason for me to unvote Cobble, why aren't you voting Cobble yourself? After all, he's "been scummy all game" to you.

[Nobody Special]

NS, I'm not sure how to put this.

You're wrong.

Katsuki dies today... A vig should shoot Tanarin tonight.

Are you saying .....what I think you're saying? Don't steer me wrong, girlfriend.

Batt, I honestly thought you were a better player than this. I'll seriously have to set aside some time for meta on you, soon.

DGB. I just. There are no words. FNARGLE.

[Herodotus]

It's more like this: I don't want the recruiters to be able to deduce whom I will investigate so they can avoid that recruitment choice.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, DGB, I think we do have bankable deadlines.

I'm not sure why people are waiting for a fakeclaim though, everyone has the same role whther they are cult or town, if someone is cult they still have the same exact role from when they weren't cult. So a claim really solves nothing and is detremental if we wind up not lynching that person (re: xvart) because we outted a power role for no good reason. I'm not sure why people are waiting around expectantly for something that makes no difference.

[Battousai]

Hero- so your plan is to lurk until you get a guilty?

I think the reason for the delay is that if Katsuki is town, then anything he tells us before he dies (especially role information) can be used to our benefit.

[Battousai]

NS- I give and I give and I give, and all you do is complain. Go make your own sammich, dammit!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah, DGB, I think we do have bankable deadlines.

I'm not sure why people are waiting for a fakeclaim though, everyone has the same role whther they are cult or town, if someone is cult they still have the same exact role from when they weren't cult. So a claim really solves nothing and is detremental if we wind up not lynching that person (re: xvart) because we outted a power role for no good reason. I'm not sure why people are waiting around expectantly for something that makes no difference.

Just one minute.

[Herodotus]

I just read Katsuki in isolation, and don't think they are scum. Just a VI.
Katsuki has said some anti-scum things, such as their recent comment on cobblerfone.
I think Katsuki is genuinely convinced that they made a real case on DGb, though in fact what they made is a repeated assertion and poorly supported it. It's hand waving meta and a vague assertion that some interactions with the CR's were bad.

The only problem is their current bout of lurking. Apparently it's due to RL, but it's clearly pro-scum.

[ooba]

Yeah, DGB, I think we do have bankable deadlines.

I'm not sure why people are waiting for a fakeclaim though, everyone has the same role whther they are cult or town, if someone is cult they still have the same exact role from when they weren't cult. So a claim really solves nothing and is detremental if we wind up not lynching that person (re: xvart) because we outted a power role for no good reason. I'm not sure why people are waiting around expectantly for something that makes no difference.

True but he should be given the chance to claim cause
- If he's town, it's confirmed info
- In a two scum team environment, one team always has info on the other - I'll take it with a pinch of salt but I'd rather have it than just hammer

Unvote

until he claims

[ooba]

Don't we have bankable deadlines?

I'm willing to wait one more day to hear Katsuki out .. Lynching him before then is a mistake ..

[Bunnylover]

Prod-dodging (I think).
I have time to read this game (because I can't skim it like other games), tomorrow so you will hear from me if anything catches me eye.

[springlullaby]

zuupppp, prodded, post inconming

[Magister Ludi]

- If he's town, it's confirmed info
- In a two scum team environment, one team always has info on the other - I'll take it with a pinch of salt but I'd rather have it than just hammer

If he's town, and we don't lynch him, we outed a power role for no reason.

What do you mean one team always has info on the other? This is rather ambigious and I don't know what you mean. Each team probably knows equally as much as the other team unless they recruited some sort of power role, but then again town has no way of knowing if this happened or not so its useless to assume it did.

[Flameaxe]

I don't think he's saying that we don't lynch on a power role claim. He's saying that if he claims information, and then flips town, that gives us information that we can consider confirmed with his flip.