TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

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/egosearch as silverbullet999 and cjdrum Hydra

Mod: Can this account please get the role sent to it, if possible?

Thanks

~CJ

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But, if the alignments are randomised, then the roles would probably have some amount of randomness in them, too?

I mean. How useful is a Mafia Doctor?

~ CJ

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*Agrees with magna*

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/confirm

vote silverbullet

that fag!.
i luv vezok btw

Silverbullet isn't in this game!
Why you hating on him(me!)!

OMGUS
VOTE: andrew94

That... ummm jerk?

[silverdrummer]

Ouch, one of my heads.

Good thing three more just came out of the neck!

vote: andrew94

~ CJ

Wow, ninja'd by my other head. This'll be fun...

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Great minds think alike!

andrew read my username... then reread that first post....

then remember there are hydras...

[silverdrummer]

silverdrummer is a Hydra of cjdrum and silverbullet999.
sb999 seems to not sign his posts , but cjdrum does

I don't like that ZeL1nK is not head-naming, but there's not much we can do to stop him.

Vifam's list was... odd... But I don't think it's quite vote worthy.


I'll try to keep posting up while sb is away.



Ninja'd by some questions!
1 - Policy lynch is a lynch based off the player or their playstyle, rather than for actual scumminess.
2 - I don't know any Mafia terms that "EST" could be... Not sure about the normality, though.
5 - It means "in ISOlation". At the bottom of all the pages, it says "Display posts by user:"? That's the easiest way to look at someone's posts in ISO.

~ cjdrum

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Hehe, sorry for the not posting. I keep going to, then get turned away by the whole switching accounts thing.

I have had my vote on andrew since RVS, yes, so...
UNVOTE: andrew94

Vifam is... I don't know what to think. See, I do believe that Vifam's behaviour is newbish, but... The fact that he's made an Alt account kind of nulls that. If he thinks he's not all that new, then we can't let him off for being new.
For this, I'm going to VOTE: Vifam, for now.


Also: What's with all the claiming already? I thought that the consensus was that we wouldn't claim, but we've already had an Earl (

My Name is Earl

) and a Vigilante claim.


Finally: ZeL1nK?
They aren't really helping in any way. Seemingly joking the whole time, avoiding Hydra head claiming with no reason (as far as I can see)... I don't really know what to think, really. This post really doesn't help either.

The views in this post are solely the views of the cjdrum side of the Hydra.
silverbullet999 may or may not agree with any or all of this post, but in his absence cjdrum still has to post his own thoughts opinions.

~ cjdrum

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They aren't really helping in any way. Seemingly joking the whole time, avoiding Hydra head claiming with no reason (as far as I can see)...

Helping what?

With the game...

Joking about what?

All kinds of things. See your ISO.

As for not claiming heads, why do you care?

It means you have something to hide, which can't be good.

~ cjdrum

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catchup

page 4

blahblahblah marco seems hesitant lots of walls

page 5

rod wallz oh no, blah blah blah jil is fencesitting which is ehish. I still like marco more he seems scared

page 6

mega or magna (too lazy to double check) wallz... we had a vig claim? some people are agreeing with my thoughts from earlier page. Nothing too useful... vifam reads are eh.

page 7

i'm gonna stab magna for his walls. vifam doesn't seem bad, people overreacting me thinks. I further like pinky

page 8

rod walls >_< Ok I should stop bitching about walls. Hey it's me! *waves* I like pinky's posts, I think marco is much worse (and he's vanished?) but yeah.

page 9

poppums walls hurt too... vizam is added presure but is nowhere to be found.. wtf is going on. Marco's 223 confuses me a bit, vifam's at 8 votes at this point.. with 14 to lynch... while yes it's a wagon.. it's really not much of a large one considering this is a large... no further comments really except jily leaves... : ( ? (People should stop complaining about hydras)

page 10

pvt tries to deter vifam wagon because vifam is noob... when did vifam admit being a noob? vifam wagons grows stronger, some people hop off but yeah

page 11

Magna gives an ultimatum... that doesn't seem to good. vifam is back but being lazy... that's null imo... also i just noticed that my "favorite" player is in this game.. and hasn't made a single post... and NOT one person has noticed this (It's... pine... )

page 12

speak of the devil... and our vote is on vifam... why... *kicks his head*
VOTE: Marco... though i'd personally rather lynch pine because.. well he's useless and I wouldn't have joined this game had I realized he was in this... pinky continues to get my ever growing love anddd Volkkan is here *waves and is tempted to post like this for the rest of the game*

page 13

I'm NOT digging magna's vote on vifom for replacing... it's always a null tell ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. jun who replaces vif claims tracker. the goomba's 323 sounds like "hey scum can claim prs.. let's get this wagon back up and running for some "unforseen motivation"".

page 14

nothing much worthy vol does his point system which always is humorous and sorta useful.

Done skimming! alright people I think are scum.

Pine - 1st
Marco - 2nd
magna -3rd
goomba - tied for 3rd

Yeah let's get the wagon on Pine started

VOTE: Pine

[silverdrummer]

Funny, you don't even have the Vifam slot up there... That's interesting as it is.

this is the very first time you've said you wanted to lynch Pine and he's already your first choice

Mind sharing why? Also did you read any of those walls of text?

Why would I currently want the Vifam slot dead?

Pine reasons

well he's useless and I wouldn't have joined this game had I realized he was in this

and of course his 1 post and flakyness for this game while gladly posting for others.

He's lurking and needs pressure and preferably needs to die.. now

[silverdrummer]

Alright, I see your point for Pine.

As far as a vifam slot, before I came and claimed tracker everyone wanted to lynch Vifam. Everyone found her scummy, however I probably won't be lynched today barring a claim, unless I've already convinced you in my first 10 or so posts that I'm town I'm surprised that you already find the slot town.

I didn't really see the vifam lynch, pinky made some good points but yeah. Your claim as tracker dropped any suspicion i have for you today. For today you are certain town. tomorrow we'll see what happens and play it then

Now be a good tracker and vote pine

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I see your reasoning on Pine and that we need to place more pressure on him, but there is something that makes me more line ant on him, it has to do with an ongoing game so I can't really talk about it yet. I think the game will be over within a week, but I don't really know for sure. Of course this thing won't excuse his absence for that long anyways so it's not important for now.

In his first post he goes "oh whoops, /confirm, i'll catch up over lunch" ... this doesn't happen
In his second post he goes "Oh this has been "hell week" blah blah blah, I'm going to start catching up now"

He's lurking and telling lies as excuses because he had enough time to post in other games.

His ongoing game is no excuse to lie (or as I like to say, make a politician promise).

@Silver: you still haven't explained why Pine is scum. Your "case" on him seems to just basically be that he is a lurker

*stares at vollkan angrily*
*again expresses general disdain towards Pine*
*suggests you move your vote to Pine*

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@nero

I'm still hating Cherve's lurking. Ignoring a game while post in another threads is a big scumtell for me.

vote: Cherve

Other than Chevre, I get bad vibes from Lenon, Rodion, Silver drummer and goomba

Why are you picking Cherve when Pine is doing the same exact thing? Why don't you get bad vibes from him?

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But this begs the guestion Why did you decide to point out the flaw in my post instead of adress my claim that your slot is scummy b/c you never had a scum read on Vifam but voted him anyway?

Other head did that, I didn't see the Vifam wagon at all.

so... ask him?

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But this begs the guestion Why did you decide to point out the flaw in my post instead of adress my claim that your slot is scummy b/c you never had a scum read on Vifam but voted him anyway?

Other head did that, I didn't see the Vifam wagon at all.

so... ask him?

You two don't discuss your reads and opinions together?

We usually do, but silverbullet999 wasn't here. I couldn't just

not post

.

Also, chkballin. This here is exactly why I'm tagging my posts: So if one goes away, the other can keep posting with further ISO attributed (if needed) to him, rather than the Hydra, I guess.

~ cjdrum

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Less bickering, more votes on Pine plox

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-Junpei

Silverdrummer: I asked you if you had read the walls of text that were posted earlier in the day, you never responded. Please respond.

Well I sorta did in my original catchup post. hint hint skimmed. Thought I addressed it after but apparently I did not.

-OverToast

Jumps onto a Pine wagon where my RVS vote is. I don't like that at all.

.... The Pine wagon... consisting of a whole 2 votes? Overtoast I demand you expand on this now.


-Rest of Town

Please stop being stupid, third party CAN be useful to us even if he IS lying and has a killing role... I HIGHLY doubt the game would end if he does fulfill his wincon so again... stop being stupid and move on to the bigger problem which is PINE... who has a glorious total of 2 posts in this game yet CONTINUES to post in others.

Junpei is an ok wagon too at this point.. but again I HIGHLY prefer the death or replacement of pine

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Other head did that, I didn't see the Vifam wagon at all.

so... ask him?

I went back. Your slot did vote for Vifam.

VOTE: DavidX
VOTE: Silverdrummer

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Magna gives an ultimatum... that doesn't seem to good.

Elaborate. What is bad about forcing a player to answer in thread questions that are VERY pertanent to getting a read via threatening to vote them? Also I like how you carefully made sure not to say for certain it was scummy but intimated it. Good work with the soft accusation. And by good work I mean scummy.

Isn't this effectively what you are doing with your "Vote Pine" push ... attempting to get contributions to the thread from him?

I'm NOT digging magna's vote on vifom for replacing... it's always a null tell ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS.

No, it isn’t. All replace-outs are not the same. Go look at Sloth in Umbrage’s “Jungle Republic” and theplague42 in LMP’s “KGB Mafia” for examples. I can elaborate further but this looks like some “Hey, Junpei claimed Town PR” grandstanding to me.

Your lurker hunting in

351

is noted.

Why are you picking Cherve when Pine is doing the same exact thing? Why don't you get bad vibes from him?

And the question applies equally to you. If Chevre was doing the same things as Pine why didn’t she make your Top 4 scum list?

1. Yes my slot did vote vifam... I never denied that.. it was my other head that did that post... he clearly signed it...
2. Pretty sure your ultimatum was "If you don't answer all my questions since page 5 and I'm not going to point out which they were.. i'm pushing for your lynch super hard misterr". This just comes across as a lame excuse to push a lynch on a player who might be lazy and not feel like putting in so much extra effort you demand of him. I'm not asking for Pine to come back... I want him dead or replaced, and even if he were to post I wouldn't give a damn. I still want him dead.
3. REPLACE OUTS ARE A NULL TELL. Sometimes it could be OH SHIT I'M SCUM AND ABOUT TO LOSE, REPLACE ME. Sometimes it could be OH SHIT I HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF STUFF IN REAL LIFE, REPLACE ME. Sometimes it could be I HATE THESE PLAYERS, REPLACE ME. There's no way for you to tell the motivation in any such act and thus it's a null tell and for you to suggest any other motivation from it is scummy in and of itself. Also lurker hunting? I said I was V/LA til friday or whichever day and you guys posted lots... so... obviously i gotta catch up.
4. I've stated this repeatidly now. I'm gonna follow your tactics.. Look back at my posts and you'll see why... if you don't see why when you next post i'm pushing your lynch!

Yes, he picked up his prod and replied saying he is still in.

He needs Vigged / Copped / Some other solutioned N1.

No he needs to be lynched D1

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Also parrot me more plz...

[silverdrummer]

1. Yes my slot did vote vifam... I never denied that.. it was my other head that did that post... he clearly signed it...

So you agree then that your slot is showing Hydra Dissonance? Thanks!

2. Pretty sure your ultimatum was "If you don't answer all my questions since page 5 and I'm not going to point out which they were.. i'm pushing for your lynch super hard misterr". This just comes across as a lame excuse to push a lynch on a player who might be lazy and not feel like putting in so much extra effort you demand of him. I'm not asking for Pine to come back... I want him dead or replaced, and even if he were to post I wouldn't give a damn. I still want him dead.

You need to look again because my Ultimatum was “Answer my questions at Post 170”. That’s hardly “since page 5”.

3. REPLACE OUTS ARE A NULL TELL.

I’ve deleted the rest of your All Caps since they are pointless. Your belief in what is and what isn’t a Null tell really doesn’t matter to me. You want to pointlessly debate Mafia theory? Go to MD and bring it up there.
Mafia is all about making subtle judgements based on many factors. Saying "ITS A NULL TELL" in each any every circumstance means you aren't doing it right.

4. I've stated this repeatidly now. I'm gonna follow your tactics.. Look back at my posts and you'll see why... if you don't see why when you next post i'm pushing your lynch!

You’ve stated repeatedly why Chevre wasn’t scummy? Point me that way because I looked at your ISO and see nada on that front. I ISOed Silverdrummer and did a Control F search for Chevre. I all got was the post where you said “Why is Chevre scummy when Pine is just as bad?”

And I like that you throw in some comedy with your posts. Good work!

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Silverdrummer vs. Pine looks like Silver is scum tunneling his buddy Pine for towncred, we think.

-diddin

Hmmm … while not having a flip of Pine to use as a basis I could see this. Much like [REDACTED] in [REDACTED]. Then again him pushing that strongly on someone with zero content screams "Inside Information" so badly I can't see what they MIGHT think to gain from it.

Question – is your vote on Silver Pinky? I forget and am too lazy to find a VC.

1. Uhhh... is it law that hydras are supposed to have one solid thought? This is news to me... not sure how this is helping at all.
2. That was still a page back or two and your missing the point....
3. You are either an arrogant idiot or you know exactly why he requested replacement which you wouldn't know unless you have inside knowledge.

Everyone please note this as evidence of bussing or cheating or more than likely arrogance

4. Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do about chevre. It has everything to do with Pine. I blacklisted him, dislike him as a player and have said here that had I realized he was in this game I would have stayed the hell away. Please stop being an idiot and read my posts because this would be obvious. Also I'm only being as "Hilarious" as you bud".
That last part to diddin... Look at 4.

Of course, if you can't beat them join them, right? The meta on this site is to act like an arrogant rude prick, and you can't really get by unless you abide by that social code.

I agree with this... sometimes... with some people. Though I think everyone does it in at least one game.

My other head has been mia for awhile. Dunno why and if you don't believe me that's fine. I'll ask him to post about his vote and all that good stuff whenever he revives and shows up again.

A zinger lynch is stupid... he's not scum, least not yet and we can take care of him later if need be. What possible information do we get from lynching him currently besides oh look he was third party...

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opps forgot to switch... but yeah

I highly doubt he's a third party RB you also ignore that hey he picks someone else... and hey it ends up being mafia... or a killing role.. and stops that kill who hey may have been targetting you.

Talking about the ethics of hydras has been done, it overall is up to the mod... follow the mods rule number 0. I am thy mod, whatever I state is law. and stop crying about it.

I don't care if I LOOK town... the point of me is to try to out scum... that's it. Zinger runs across me more as a frustrated misguided VI but to each their own.

3. You are either an arrogant idiot or you know exactly why he requested replacement which you wouldn't know unless you have inside knowledge.

Everyone please note this as evidence of bussing or cheating or more than likely arrogance

That is a huuuuuge stretch, and accusing MoI of cheating is quite a nasty thing to do without any sort of evidence. I thought the replace out was suspect as well. He claimed he was going to post later and then left the game without any kind of acknowledgement of this in the game thread. And I dont like silverdrummer's hardcore tunnelling on Pine either, it looks like bussing to me (though by himself Pine doesnt look scummy to me, just a serious lurker).

Please note the other two options of either bussing or more than likely arrogance. Unless you know the player in REAL LIFE you DO NOT know the MOTIVATION for having to REPLACE a GAME. It could be game related or it could be life related. To assume one makes an ass of yourself. Again it's a null read.

Pine = contributed nothing though has promised to catch up twice and is around posting but not in this game. But no that's not suspicious... wait did you call meran suspicious at any point? *checks quickly* no you did not. Do lurkers = town for you then...?

[silverdrummer]

Not a lot of time now but I just want to say

More Pine votes please!!!

FTFY

[silverdrummer]

Just to sort of prevent any fighting or whatever, I'm going to state now that i'm not actually claiming magna is a cheater nor anything of the sort nor with that post being my actual intention to claim such a thing. I do apologize to you magna if you do take it this way or take severe offense in believing it to have been a real claim. Anyway let's not derail the talk that's actually been somewhat decent as of late with this plz.

[silverdrummer]

Neither side of this argument is correct (this isn't just a theory rant, I promise )

Replacing out is ordinarily a null tell - even if it is a player replacing out under extreme pressure. Why? Because plenty of people don't like to lose. It's only a scumtell if the individual has a particular propensity for replacing out under pressure as scum

Then you can only legitimately claim it's a scum tell if you know said person is scum no?
which leads to

How is it evidence of bussing? Attacking somebody for replacing out is common. I don't agree with it, but it is hardly evidence of bussing - let alone cheating.

bussing ala he's a scum partner bussing his scummate

Wait i misread the original post so sorta scratch the above. Does the replacee have a propensity to always replace as scum?

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MOI and this one @ Nero Cain rest for MOI

Because regardless of whether you are a hydra or not you are one player – Player A. You as a slot are judged by the same standards as any other slot. You don’t get special dispensation to post in a dissonant manner in thread just because you are a Hydra.

You have conflicts between the heads? Resolve them in QT.

Well my other head has gone silent, and we haven't had much chatter in QT. I did send him a message and he did read it but apparently it's done nothing. I have no idea why he's ignoring the game but that does seem to be the case. Unfortantely i'm as lost as anyone else because I don't think I've played any games with cj and don't know him in real life.

I love that you don’t even concede the possibility that I correctly read the situation and am right.

well after recent posts... what you should be doing according to volkan is seing if he does replace when pressured and is scum in other games. Find a game or two where he does that and you win my heart for the day. I personally still think it's null and sheer luck if your right (or inside info).

Ah the truth comes out. Guess what … I don’t give a rats ass if you don’t like Pine or not. Your little personal vendetta is quaint but stupid.

You can either replace out now or continue to try to get him lynched. Do so with your grudge as justification and you’ll probably eat rope sooner than later.

The truth came out in much earlier posts than this. But no seriously not even just because of that (I mean that MAY be why he's my #1) but only 2 posts... 1 prod... he takes the prod yet still does nothing? He definetly doesn't have a post restriction again as someone suggested or else he wouldn't have been prodded. This is a serious lurkier atm that needs to either be lynched or vigged.

Explain the bolded because in context of ZingTroll’s claim it makes absolutely no sense.

For all we know zing could be lieing and he's a thirdparty that has the potential to turn mafia similar to the one guy that posted a third party lyncher role in this game from another game. I still believed him to be thirdparty... and now just vi town.

Um weren’t you the head that has been championing Vifam / Junpei’s slot as Town the whole time? How the hell can you possibly believe this theory if you think that slot is Town?

I never said he's 100% town. But he claimed a pr... no use in lynching a pr day 1 and as I stated i didn't really see vifam as scummy.

Ok ... more food for thought ...

I've been Neighborized by two seperate players today. Both have claimed the same mechanics behind how they Neighborize.

I've come to the conclusion that it is unlikely as heck that both are Town. One may be Third Party. One may be Scum. Both might be Scum.

Discuss the ramifications ...

Scum neighborizers are common, I was one in an old game, you said you were neighborized twice... were there any other people in the neighborhoods? More than likely a neighborizer or a neighbor is scum at the least.

[silverdrummer]

Also for Pine Case

What I stated above and he's made posts as recent as today. He's ignoring this game for some reason and I dislike it heavily.

[silverdrummer]

Actually in my post regarding cjdrummer I lied by accident, I only posted in QT to get him back on when I though I pmed him. I pmed him now though and hopefully he'll read it and be like oh yeah! and come back.

[silverdrummer]

I've noticed that I have been getting a lot of pressure from the whole Vifam/Pine thing.

I voted for Vifam because they were a viable lynch target at the time - this was while silverbullet was away. When he got back, he unvoted Vifam and voted Pine without any consultation.

As such, I cannot speak for my vote on Pine, which is why I haven't been posting - because the majority of the heat on me is because of the Pine vote.

So I'm leaving silverbullet to reap what he's sown. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit with you, or whatever, but I think that I shouldn't have to be part of silverbullet's argument if he didn't originally check with me on the vote, or anything.

~ cjdrum

[silverdrummer]

Alright catching up again...

p29. nothing of note really

p30. Pine is getting replaced... but that still doesn't excuse the slot. My other head makes a.... "substantial post".... and I'm not sure what his problem is. Has any hydra ever had a head die? Maybe my first hydra will. (I saw this message before when skimming and messaged him about it but again he's gone mia for me once more. I like the hydras I have seen that had independent thoughts and squabbled amongst eachother in thread and in qt... that'd be nice.)
nothing much else to comment on.

p31 zeilink screams town... we keep talking about the "gambit theory.." Meran's actually giving a shit... what motivates that when he wasn't near a lynch?

Question though

@MERAN
For page 15 you state I win scumpoints cause I put my vote on Pine instead of marcus, ignoring that I state my reasons and all that good jolly such... there are only 2 votes on Pine (including mine) at that time. Thus I can only assume Marcus has no votes at this point... I'm checking this... yes this is the case... do you truly believe that one more vote on one suspect would motivate a scum to vote one over the other?

As I continue to read meran's post... I'm seeing a pattern with all posts that he comments on regarding mine.

Simply the most interesting thing about that whole post is that you discuss Pine and the "Pine wagon" ... yet don't even give a hint as to how you feel about him... except that he's a simple lurker.

p32 Why are people still asking for Zinger's claim... really not much else I get from this...

p33 first post about me! yay. I also like that my head states... he drew a bunch of heat.. and then I drew a bunch of heat.

MOI....

If I did want to do that I’d again bring up Umbrage’s Jungle Republic where your other head did there what it is doing exactly here …. disappearing under suspicion while actively posting around site. Oh look, there is CJ now.

That was in relation to the vifam slot... why make the switch all of a sudden.

mmm I really wish we had more votecounts... I wonder who of the four stated in meran's list has more votes... (If it is me at this point there's hypocrisy and meran gets added to my list of please die... )

@Leon

@Silverdrummer: Is there a reason you've been tunneling and advocating the lynch of a lurker all day? I don't think lurkers make for good D1 lynches, do you disagree? (Note that active lurkers are different from lurkers)

I've explained the initial reasons countless times now... I agree with your second sentence depending on the circumstance. As a few people have risen to try to sway the pine lynch... I think it would be more than helpful. (There was still that one person who suggested that he had a post restriction.. i think it was fry but I don't remember.)

and p34... I agree with dave's post asking for another votecount... really one per page... or so would be... excellent... to say the least (yes I realize this is a large game and I understand that's rough and i'm not badtalking or anything but yes... please more votecounts)

and that's it.

[silverdrummer]

-MOI

You said this about the vifam slot and the whole replacement theory

I love that you don’t even concede the possibility that I correctly read the situation and am right.

I respond to it by what you quote below and you change the focus of it to my other head now.

well after recent posts... what you should be doing according to volkan is seing if he does replace when pressured and is scum in other games. Find a game or two where he does that and you win my heart for the day. I personally still think it's null and sheer luck if your right (or inside info).

If I did want to do that I’d again bring up Umbrage’s Jungle Republic where your other head did there what it is doing exactly here …. disappearing under suspicion while actively posting around site. Oh look, there is CJ now.

But now your stating this

Um, whut? Junpei’s Tracker claim makes my suspicions null and void for the moment. I’ve clearly explained that. How you are trying to say that I ‘all of the sudden’ did that I don’t quite understand.

I don't remember you clearing junpei null and void for the moment...

-Meran

@silver - the size of a wagon is less important than whether you're the first one voting on him or not. And you said in your post what my opinion of Pine is: just a simple lurker.

Wait... your changing your story now because this was never mentioned in said post.

2. silvedrummer posts something rather large which...is mostly fluff. Mentions his hate for walls, the scumminess of a Marcus guy, gives kinda lame reasons for Magna being scum. Is very protective of you (apparently despite the opinion of the other head, I don't really know what to think about that).

Votes pine although he talked more about Marco, probably because Pine has more votes on him. Scumpoints

-Rests
Meran's added to my to die list.. bottom of it.. for that and also throwing his vote on the higher of his mascots being lil ol me.

Updated list iss
Pine - 1st
Marco - 2nd
Meran - Tied for 2nds
magna -4th... or 5th... well last for the moment.
goomba - 3rd


However the star of the show for the moment is Nero

His post 894

I really dislike how scummy Silvers bandwagon has no momentum.

Whom I can only believe to actually have meant I really dislike how , Scummy Silver's, bandwagon has no momentum.

It's such a productive post that he wins my vote for the moment since a Pine lynch doesn't appear to be happening yet...

VOTE: Nero Cain

[silverdrummer]

*I should also note he's lightly dissuaded the Pine wagon too... which is why he further earns it*

[silverdrummer]

Just cause pine is replacing out doesn't mean his actions aren't suspicious worthy. He didn't post for whatever reason while posting in other games. He's been defended by others to try to turn off the wagon.

[silverdrummer]

Occams razor? I know I heard it before but I don't remember where nor what it is.

He couldn't have forgotten about the game since he picked up his first prod.

[silverdrummer]

Ah that's right.

but again it's impossible for him to have forgotten about this game because of his respond to the prodding. He may have forgotten to that point.. but unless he has short term memory loss there's no reason for him to have forgotten again and still willfully post in other games.

-Ninja
teehee OMGUS I love it when people throw it like that simply enough.

Why are you getting snarky and attacking my lack of grammar?

Snarky? No sir you are incorrect. That sentence could be taken of two ways and I simply assumed one of them.

it was my way of questioning why there is no momentum on a scummy slot.

A slot you deem scummy which you've put such tantamount effort and spoke very openly about and not just at this point in trying to push to lynch.

[silverdrummer]

Well, it's more than feasible he simply saw the amount of catch-up and got cold feet.

He'd request replacement then.

It won't matter much anyway when he's replaced, no?

A slots actions are written in stone... Pine had none... this in itself writes its own stone... the stone will not be forgotten when someone else goes to sit on his stone.

[silverdrummer]

-Chevre

silverdrummer: Who is your top suspect besides Pine (I guess in a later post you have revealed this to be marco and Meran), and why?

I stated this in my latest post. I stated the reasons in posts earlier on... please iso me and read those posts.. thank you.

He lists five suspects, and then proceeds to vote someone else completely, for an awful and unclear reason. It seems as though he's been caught and is trying some last-ditch OMGUS.

blatent misrep is blatent. Neon is the 6th suspect as I make obvious and I'm not sure how much clearer I can get. Someone who really hasn't put in much info but goes "why is this scummy player not being wagoned more" just rides me the wrong way, especially since he's lax on his reasoning.

Chevre... read my posts...

-Oversoul
A few too many people have excused Pine... this more than warrants a flip of him which then reveals why people have been trying to sway the wagon off.

[silverdrummer]

However the star of the show for the moment

is Nero

Where in this post does it state Nero is the least I suspect?

[silverdrummer]

*glances at previous post he posted*

I think your misunderstanding me. He's the 6th person on my list... that doesn't mean he's ranked 6.

[silverdrummer]

Emphasis on star of show for the moment...

if you really really believe i did that lil paragraph as an afterthought as well as the vote as scum. then vote me.

[silverdrummer]

-Dave
I'm not seeing a vote dave...

I specifically said why I dropped Pine vote for the moment.

Marco has been 2, latest interaction with meran bring him to 2 also.

What does any of that have to do with me and my Nero vote?

-Jun
Are you actually asking me this... I'm going to count on your intelligence to figure it out for yourself but feel free to request an answer again and I shall.

[silverdrummer]

Ok Jun.. ok... i'm disappointed in you but ok.

How many people did I list as tied for 2nd?

The answer? Officially two!

So can someone also tie first!? NO WAY THAT'S TABOO NO FRACKING WAY!....

[silverdrummer]

....

Nero is the 6th person on my list. This does not mean he's ranked sixth as scummy.
Just as I have 2 people tied for second. I have 2 people tied for first.
Do you understand...

[silverdrummer]

I DIDN'T

SUMMARY OF THAT POST

HERE ARE THE PEOPLE I WANT TO DIE
*LIST OF PEOPLE*
HOWEVER THE STAR OF THE SHOW IS THIS GUY FOR THIS AND THIS AND THIS

[end caps lock]

seriously though... I can't honestly believe that is causing this much discussion.

[silverdrummer]

I. Did not. Flake.

I hold no grudge against Pine. I have no freakin' idea what this crap is.

If silverbullet's gonna just jump onto Pine like that without talking to me AT ALL about it, he can do this on his own. If he won't do the Hydra thing, I won't bother doing it myself.

~ CJ, obviously

[silverdrummer]

-Junpei

Silverbullet999 is scummy for several inconsistencies which still haven't be sorted out and his tunneling without using anymore logic.

Which inconsistencies good sir.

-David

Silver, a numbered list tends to be ordered. And you still haven't provided reasoning behind the reads.

My list has never been ordered... I have given reasons for each of my reads, where are you confused.

-David and Volkan

/agree - see my earlier failed attempt to budge him on this.

Gonna tear my hair out at this point. I'm NOT Fracking tunneling because I hate him.. I'm TUNNELING BECAUSE HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING AND HAS NOW THREE TIMES PROMISED TO CATCH UP WITH NO EFFORT WHILE STILL POSTING IN OTHER GAMES. Seriously I'm tempted to pull the same bs he's pulling and see if anyone ends up being hypocritical and calling me out on it. It's like your all blind for some insane reason.

-Leon

@Silver: It seems that your vote is based on that one post by Silver combined with his lack of productivity, is this true or is there more to your read?

Assuming you meant nero. I don't like his last post and for the most part he hasn't been outspoken in my eyes. Also wanted to see how he reacted which he did which i'm getting to .

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My other head is making me so happy, still hasn't posted in the friggen qt... nor respond to my pms... just great.

-Rod
I accept your advice and will hopefully recall to enforce it upon myself.

-Nero

I feel I've done a sufficient job of explaining why your slot is scummy and I think that its fairly easy for others to see that.

Let's do your iso since it's nice and easy

Iso: 1: confirm
2: jilly vote
3: 4 votes question/useless
4: vifam vote
5: assume what?
6: Chevre doing it too... w/e the hell that means
7: You don't like my other heads vote on vifam, you vote chevre
8: you agree chevre is similar to pine
9: YOU SUGGEST POST RESTRICTION IS APPLIED TO PINE (thought it was frenchie the whole time)... you answer crap
10: Vote me and say you don't like my other head disappearing
11: Some Edit
12: You find it hard to believe that CJ is mia when he's posting in other games
13: You comment on my other head post stating he's running away and being opportunistic. You ask if your overreacting here.
14: Is pine getting replaced? Also let's dissuade thad from voting pine.
15:

More steam on silver wagon plox

16: you now state my vote on you is omgus
17: Oh I posted enough about you and your case.

So... you've only posted 2 (3 if you REALLY wish to be lenient) posts about "me". One states you don't like CJ's vote and you vote... the next states you don't think he's mia. The last states hmm guys look at this post.. do you guys think i'm overreacting? Then you wish to enhance the wagon on me. So no I don't think you've done a sufficient job at all in explaining why my slot is scummy unless it's simply solely my other head that you have the "case" on.

-ThreeIsFrench

I want zinger dead; hes a distraction to the town, and hes not even on our side.

[/quote][/quote]
This feels like you believe his third party role... which makes me feel you haven't been reading.

[silverdrummer]

Marco as meransiel is v/la and it'd have no effect whatsoever until he came back.

[silverdrummer]

-Nero

No No No. No more copping out. I posted or mentioned YOUR SLOT in 5 posts and thats not even counting the last 4 or so where its just a back and forth. There is no "me" and "him" its just "your slot".

Lies, and you don't count the posts AFTER I point out that hey... your pushing my wagon after barely mentioning me.

The accusation of hypocrisy is bullshit because I've been fully outspoken on the lynch for pine.

At LAST you actually produce a full fledged "case" now why did it take you this long to.. "no longer cop out"?

I think your case is exaggerated in some areas and have some problems with it but I'm not going to point them out just yet.

@Silver Do you think the question that Cherve asked you was loaded?

Was it chevre that asked the vote question? (Assuming this) No not really just a dumb way to figure out a list without ties i guess *rolls eyes*.
Also I only glanced at the last vote count when the question was asked of me because I recalled at least one of the two being v/la. Didn't realize the other was being replaced but eh whatever.

[silverdrummer]

There's no inconsistency. We've been independent of each other. Currently CJ's not going to the QT, not responding to my pms, and wasn't at one point responding to the mod's pms. This is why I started posting from my original account. He comes back... with an essentially useless post and still doesn't bother with a pm or post in the qt for me. I don't know what the hell else I can do except for him to either flake fully or just talk to me in the QT.

Regardless he doesn't seem to give a damn at this point in my eyes.

[silverdrummer]

-Moi ...
1st part ah that was you, thanks for the refresher

So just to be clear – it is scummy to not post in a game while posting elsewhere?

Stop trying to twist the same "reasoning" to further "implicate" my other head. It's somewhat scummy to not post in a game while posting elsewhere to a degree. It's incredibly scummy to respond to prods, make posts promising to catchup while doing no such thing and all the while still posting in other games.

[silverdrummer]

Simply going to say this.

1. I'd rather me than zinger
2. Why are people aiming for a lynch... with 3 weeks still being left before deadline...

Thad-
Why are you limiting the lynch for today to either be me or zinger.

[silverdrummer]

-Thad

For an example of the latter see andrew. In fact his entire play today has largely been flying under the radar.

Or Pine.... actually much more so Pine

-volk

This just ignores the point that you vote Nero for making a "useless" post which is the same as a post previously made by you

Can you clarify this or quote the post directed at me.

-Nero
Please answer 1048.

-To why u > zinger people
Zinger would be more beneficial then me in a few ways and I still think he's a VI town.

-ThreeIsFrench

Silver is also scum, but Zinger needs to die today; no matter what.

Why the full preference of one over the other when you believe both to be scum?

its either scum motivated, or really, really bad play.

Ok scum motivation I can see (gambit theory).
Expand on how it's bad play please.
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I still don't understand why I'm seeing excuses being made for Pine. Some have said he's being replaced which is a flat out lie thus far. Some have said he should be gone soon which again as the past dictates is false. $10 says that when Pine makes a post again whether he is prodded again or not we get another "I swear guys i'm going to catch up". Thad's accusation of andrew flying under the radar... just frankly disturbs me.

[silverdrummer]

-Nero
In regards to your claim in 1142 that your whole case was written throughout your other posts... that's a lie.

Not a fan of Silver head's reactions to Junepi in 927/930

This was never mentioned in your first 15 posts.

He's lied twice

This was also not addressed as an issue (There was a post where you lightly accused me once but never a second time) in your first 15 posts.

I think this whole hydra disavowence thing is really really scummy.

This like the above were also not stated in your first 15 posts.

--Everyone
Nero asks this

And why was it so important you have a full fledged case on you?

This question... should never be asked by someone ESPECIALLY someone who wants you lynched. A full fledged case obviously helps both the person trying to push a wagon and possibly the person trying to dissuade themselves from being wagoned. Why? Because it pushes information out for the town to analyze, others can fully see why you believe this is a good choice, it also gives the person who you have the case on to try to justify themselves and dissuade said "facts" that you present. If it isn't clear cut then people tend to just ignore it or glance over it which helps neither party. The fact that you question why I'd ever want the case on me just proves your motivation to push a mislynch mired in disinformation and a hope to declare no responsibility for it. I'm now cemented on my read on you for this and I greatly thank you for it.

--
(Caps simply so it doesn't get glanced over)
IF I AM AT L-1 EVEN IF YOU ARE DIEING FOR THIS DAY TO END AND YOU WANT TO HAMMER, FEEL ABSOLUTELY FREE TO

STATE

THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO HAMMER BUT

DO NOT HAMMER

UNTIL I HAVE MY LAST WORD (WHERE I SUM UP EVERYTHING READS ETC) IF SOMEONE HAMMERS ME BEFORE I DO THIS, HE'S SCUM.
--

Lastly the attitude and will of this town overall is pretty pathetic half of the votes if not more or simply on me with people giving half assed well the case on silver is good and he's gaining momentum so i'll hop on, and people are being impatient and bitching about oh there's no scumhunting while essentially doing nothing about it. Scum likes to lead the town you idiots... not saying that's occuring here but if the day is stagnating... and your town... you shouldn't be saying, Screw This let's end the day (The more information town gets... the better... you only help scum by ending the day early), you also shouldn't be saying guys this day is stagnating can we get someone scum hunting?, you SHOULD be ... i bet you guessed it by now... SCUMHUNTING... so that the day get's productive once more... it's really pathetic seeing the laziness going on right now with people (assuming you to be town) and I'd like if you actually... attempted to put effort into your wincon and help us win...
This post by diddin is esentially an example of (with exceptions) the overall town

Sick of this day. It has stagnated from actual scumhunting to Junpei spamming the thread, silver posting the same stupid shit about Pine, and zelink telling everyone they are wrong. We should have had a lynch days ago.

(Not using this as evidence of scum or town, it's arrogance if anything else and rubs me as null and lazy). He bitches about the stagnating day. States junpei spamming the thread (possibly true... and you fail to see that he's possibly doing this as a scum gambit to stagnate town.. yet don't do shit about it), me posting the same stupid shit about Pine (UNTRUE, while I am reminding people of pine, I have been questioning people and getting reads on others and have Obviously moved my views to another if you even bothered to put in effort), and zelink telling everyone they are wrong (Untrue, he's stated his reasons... yet you more or less respond dhurp your dumb and wrong... what are your reasons again)
You guys HAVE to pick your game up or we are just gonna get wiped off the floor, either replace if your not gonna bother putting effort into the town win-con so we can get people who possibly can or you know... put in some fucking effort
[/rant]
But seriously this town needs to pick it's game up... it's sad that a lynch is being spoken of when there are 3 weeks left... downright disgraceful even. I'm more than happy to be the lynch over zinger... but lynching me before August 9th/10th/11th just doesn't go at all to town's advantage.

[silverdrummer]

I seriously hope all of you actually bother to read the above post fully... else you simply further prove my point.

[silverdrummer]

-Nero

We can argue all day if you want Silver but thats only helpful for scum wich I suspect is what you want.

Did not state let's argue so don't try to twist words. Expand on how having more time and having more posts ala more information is exactly what scum wants?

Scum want full cases put on them so they can look at things to discredit.

If you have a good case on someone... that makes others possibly believe them as scum and you earn others joining you... so how's that help if you have a case on scum?
Only if someone has faulty evidence can it be discredited which leaves the possibility that your mislynching. It's simple logic

-Pink / Diddin
OMGUS... I simply used your quote because it was the closest to what this whole town is doing. Your taking personal insult to it which just proves me further right. Read my posts, read my questions to people and responses, read my thoughts on nero and others, you can call it absolute shit if you want but your blatently lying by stating i've just been SOLELY on Pine this whole time. I never said wait until deadline to lynch but you get a shit load more info if you wait a few days before it. If you think the deadline is too long... there's a forum called marathon that you should look at which may suit your... attention level more.
Agree or diagree, more posts and more views on people enhance your read on people?
(You already have to answer agree.. had I not posted what I did then you wouldn't be reading me as scum and omgusing)
Lastly again your stating the deadline is too long... you just state this as personal preference... so i have to ask... why... reasons please.

[silverdrummer]

(I always enjoy being a martyr in certain situations because I always think it will work... same with here. Results... have varied)

Realistically my lynch helps town more than Zinger's if my reads are right.

[silverdrummer]

There's no surprise ending, its simply oh he flipped town, lets follow some of his last words... and work together.. and etc and lynch the scumz.
(Sacrifice of one to bring the others together)

Cj has still not responded neither in qt or pm so I'm acting solo.

[silverdrummer]

It's not really a gambit, I just think stating my final reads and thoughts a tiny bit before day ends is more effective and will be remembered better than just simply stating it now and possibly getting it lost in the general hub-bub.

Not sure how i'm going to get cj's approval (I doubt he'd approve this) but besides that he still hasn't communicated with me.. so that request will need to be tossed to the back burner for now.

[silverdrummer]

Not to get noticed (I'm already noticed in this game), to enhance the impact and prevent people from questioning it fully from a scum perspective/motivation since I'll be shown as town.

I'd rather not get fully into zinger else that sorta kills some of the point, and also can get into the heavy wifomy area.

[silverdrummer]

Attempting to direct two kills (assuming everyone listens all of a sudden) in a large game? I don't think that'd hurt too much (assuming worst case scenario where I'm completely wrong). And of course trying to get town to put pressure on a few other players here and there, again shouldn't hurt.

[silverdrummer]

Mera (1)
Izak (1)
Pine (2)

Have been prodded

@ Mod: Does this mean that Pine is not officially being replaced yet?

[silverdrummer]

-Dave
All I'm going to say is this

Jason didn't react to post 915

STOP IGNORING THIS FACT

... seeing how we already need replacements for.. what 3 slots... for how long now? It's not hard to believe that he'd let Pine slide somewhat for now.

[silverdrummer]

-MOI

For the record this isn’t the only game Pine is “active flaking” from. So this game isn’t the sort of isolated incident that would indicate it is a Scum-tell unless he is scum in every game where it is happening.

Can you post, another game where a similar situation is currently happening. I believe you but I just want solid evidence to make me feel better. If this is the case I drop Pine from my list.

--
Flood of replacements is nice
Really digging some of the replacements efforts and must say that I compliment the effort your putting in skimming/reading 1264 posts give or take.

-Chevre

@silverdrummer: Would lynching you after the 11th of August being advantageous to the town?

Waiting til After the 11th of august is slightly risky of a no lynch unless everyone's on, but lynching me around then vs right the ef now is.

It just shows how eternally stuck silver is on lynching Pine.

No it more shows a. slight arrogance on my part and b. my want to have the final word. Guess those more or less combine to eachother but yeah. Was it fruitless though? Most def.

-Nero
Where'd you go, What do you think of the events thus far since you last posted?

[silverdrummer]

Alright Pine is dropped from the list, I initially assumed (seeing him posting in marathons and such) that he was purposely avoiding this game and solely this game. Obviously I was incorrect to say the least. Though I still fully believe it was productive in some ways.

Diddin's vote puts Zinger at L-2.

Stop ninjaing me!

[silverdrummer]

Catching up like normal

Volkan vastly misinterpreted Rainbow's post in 1287...

-Hopps

@ Silver: You never thought to check yourself whether Pine was being replaced in other games?

The only thing I did in that regard was to see if he was still making posts close to the dates I kept yelling about him. And he was (I think most in marathon but I could be wrong). So no it never really entered my mind and I would have been way too lazy to find said games and see if Pine was getting replaced elsewhere.

-Nero

Its currently day 1 with 50 pages. Me and you or anyone arguing back and forth is just a distraction. Lynches provide a ton of information. Of course you don't want a lynch on yourself (though that very much contradicts an earlier statement).

+and just in general if we have a scum wagon the more time scum has to point fingers elsewhere and derail.

I disagree with the first part, it depends fully on what your arguing about. Where does the "Of course I don't want a lynch on myself" come from?
The last part I partially agree with but at the same time... it leaves evidence that said person has derailed said wagon... plus I think it'd take a lot to derail the two current wagons.

No. I think if I come out and say "X, X, X reasons are why I find this slot scummy" and someone says "oh well I can't refute those points, what else ya got?" Thats why scum want full cases.

You totally lost me here. If you have X,X,X reasons why a slot is scummy and said person states.. ah they can't refute them. Doesn't that give you concrete evidence which then helps said slot get lynched... which is not what scum would want at all?

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The andrew in my other games never complained about english not being his first language... and he normally tossed reads left and right. Then again he did that as both town and scum

[silverdrummer]

Catchup from page 56 and on...

skimming cause we hammered...

-Rod

Regarding Silver, I wanted to know how he would have handled the Pine slot after a replacement, basically whether he would keep pushing for the replacement's lynch or not.

Technically this "test" did happen when mod had first claimed he was replacing Pine. I'm about 99 percent sure I stated that his slot shouldn't be excused for his actions.

-The Ever Arrogant Dave

it seems quite scummy that his apparent hate of the slot just snuffed out because, shock horror, what people had been saying the entire damn time was true..

I demand a quote where people were saying hey Pine is doing this in other games as well before MOI stated it.

[silverdrummer]

So you're demanding a quote to prove that people referenced other, ongoing games?

You do realise that's skirting the rules by a hair, right? You're not supposed to discuss them outside game threads.

There was nothing stopping you getting off your high horse and looking. It took you the entire day basically to do so, and even then only when MOI put himself in what I see as a rather precarious position with regard to the referencing/discussion rules to waggle it a metaphorical inch from your face.

1. Ignore my ever arrogant part, I'm tired and it's been a long day and such so I apologize for it.
2. You stated people have been saying that Pine has been doing this in other ongoing games. ONLY time I recall is recently... Prove your point, the post was already made so why not prove it and quote it or tell me the page it's on at the least.
3. A problem with my high-horse and no looking... which you are "coincidentally" forgetting. I did look, I looked at if he posted recently or if his activity was dead site-wide. The answer? It wasn't dead at all, he was still posting around the site... so obviously I'm not gonna think, Oh well maybe he's just doing this in all his games!

[silverdrummer]

My point was that people were telling you Pine was inactive, and had flaked out of the game. Consistent with his.. 3 posts? 4? Three prods? You know, the signs that are never obvious, like the Mod saying he was going to look for a replacement.

Noone said he was inactive site wide until now (you claim they did, I want a quote)... He was obviously inactive here(and what I thought, lurking) which I had a huge problem with at the time because again I thought he was only doing it here and continuing to make false promises.

Ninja'd

And I'm fairly sure (No I'm not searching his posts before I go to bed) that all his posts were/are in post-game topics, things that literally take a few seconds to update yourself on discussion and respond directly, as opposed to any time investment. If you'd checked ongoings, you'd have seen..

And no, you're saying I'm "coincidentally forgetting". I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that you would either not search, or search properly, not take a half-assed swing at it.

Bed now. Retort later.

1. I saw he posted... I assume he'd bother to post in game if he's posting elsewhere. Especially seeing that he was posting every friggen day.
2. I've stated I'm lazy before and what I found was true. He WAS posting in others.

I'm going to sleep too..

I'm also going to stfu before we have a back and fourth about this for five pages. If you don't give me a quote for the above, your winning scum points. Simple as that.

Ninjad

-Junpei the ninja

I think I noticed it but thought you were near like end game or something and that Pine was fully focusing his efforts on that game for the moment, or something of the sort.

[silverdrummer]

(Last thing)

Regardless my Pine attack was still very constructive to me.