TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[andrew94]

/confirm

vote silverbullet

that fag!.
i luv vezok btw

[andrew94]

1) Meransiel
2) vezokpiraka
3) MagnaofIllusion
4) PeregrineV
5) Pappums Leather Jacket
6) Zinger2099
7) chkballin
8) marco1610
9) Pvt Slate
10) Nero Cain
11) David Xanatos
12) easjo682
13) jilynne1991
14) Pinky and the Brain
15) ZeL1nK
16) andrew94
17) izakthegoomba
18) Pine
19) Chevre
20) ThAdmiral
21) Vifam
22) Rodion
23) Leonshade
24) ThreeIsFrench
25) killerjester
26) Oversoul
27) silverbullet999

dude what are you talking about
silverbullet is playing.

[andrew94]

can you sign up for the game with your hydra name? its really confusing as i spent 3 minutes looking at the first page trying to find your name.

what do you mean zelink = =

[andrew94]

reading through, easjo682 first post is very sus. if you look at it. you will know it is wrong.

also, oversoul is not as clueless as she pretends to be. that dude was obviously joking

[andrew94]

i skimmed cos i had test tommorrow.


less walls, more stuff please/

[andrew94]

i skimmed again, but i saw moi mention my post was a good one. then no other comment? seems like a really random thing to talk about.

[andrew94]

chkballing classic scum, posting huge wall of reads. i looked at some of them 'andrew lurking scum'. thats your reason?

early claim is null

magna post 308 town tell
leon post 307 scum tell. no unvote?

[andrew94]

actually leon, what kind of a question is 'why would you claim unprovocated'.
what reaction were you fishing for, and how was the reaction worthy of your unvote.
Junpei seems town.

unvote vote leon

[andrew94]

im pretty sure zingers not telling us the full thing.
i.e. theres 24 people in this game, and normally 1 lynch per day and 2 night kills at night.
this makes ur winning chance like 1%.
bS

[andrew94]

i think zinger noted that many of us had said that with his claim, the chances of him winning are close to zero.
therefore, he claimed town JK.
dont think we should lynch him.

unvote vote chkballing

did you see hes last post?

[andrew94]

^oh yea for my previous post, i posted it but chkballing's post ninja'ed me. its hes post before that thats scummy

[andrew94]

@junpei
i meant chkballin's post ---> which is this--->

Just some quick thoughts :
The recent claim has had a substantial effect on this hydra. The only thing we can agree on is that our Day 1 scumhunting/lynching efforts would be best placed elsewhere, although the severity of the Zinger problem is debatable. Our general thoughts are that the self-aligned jailkeeper claim is most likely true, however his win condition and/or subsequent details of fulfillment or lack thereof may have been slightly altered. Simply put: We think he is who he claims, but we don't trust him to be honest about what happens if he doesn't win since it seems a tad bit boring( but not impossible) that he would remain in the game if his target dies.

~

BALLIN

is scummy

[andrew94]

1) he basically said what i said before and many others have said. then he sits on the fence
2) cos zinger change claim to town pr

[andrew94]

marking this post and will post later/tommorrow

[andrew94]

you see, at L1 people claim.
if we are not lynching people who claim a pr, then who are we gonna lynch
scum can claim pr as well you know

[andrew94]

@junpei: your reasoning for saying im scummy is : 'for being incoferant'. i triple explained the last point that you didnt get, and thats the only point that you didnt understand. how is that incoherant lol. sounds like your exaggerating badly
@junpei: part of your reasoning for chkballing being town is because he is an 'open hydra'. wut?
@junpei: for volkan, that reasoning is flawed. the last game i played with him he used the system and he was scum.

david and junpei looks suspicious posting walls one after the other.
@david: i have solid reads
@david: im not tunneling heavily on chkballing. i also have other suspects.

oversoul
leon
easjo
etc

[andrew94]

Alright Andrew, lets go through your terrible ISO.

reading through, easjo682 first post is very sus. if you look at it. you will know it is wrong.

also, oversoul is not as clueless as she pretends to be. that dude was obviously joking

Easjo's first post said he was against character claims. Is that what you meant? That's scummy? Explain.

its scummy due to a mixture of gut and the fact that he was sitting on the fence early on. (im pretty sure someone agreed with me after)

chkballing classic scum, posting huge wall of reads. i looked at some of them 'andrew lurking scum'. thats your reason?

early claim is null

magna post 308 town tell
leon post 307 scum tell. no unvote?

Scum = huge wall of reads? Just because you're lazy and refuse to even read walls enough to grasp the understandings of them doesn't mean that only scum use them. But I guess now me and David X are scum in your opinion too right? I noticed you haven't mentioned anything on it, if you think that's classic scum then shouldn't you be voting one of us? How about when Vifam posted his reads? You didn't vote him for that.

no some big walls with fluff< a small 2 sentence. i dont like your strawman argument after that

im pretty sure zingers not telling us the full thing.
i.e. theres 24 people in this game, and normally 1 lynch per day and 2 night kills at night.
this makes ur winning chance like 1%.
bS

Yeah andrew... we said this a while back...

im pretty sure i said that first

i think zinger noted that many of us had said that with his claim, the chances of him winning are close to zero.
therefore, he claimed town JK.
dont think we should lynch him.

unvote vote chkballing

did you see hes last post?

What the fuck does this mean? He noticed that we said his win con was near impossible. So he claimed town JK. So we shouldn't lynch him? That's your reasoning?

i was thinking if he wasnt he wouldnt change back?

1) he basically said what i said before and many others have said. then he sits on the fence
2) cos zinger change claim to town pr

1) You do that too

2) That's another common argument, proves my first point.

you see, at L1 people claim.
if we are not lynching people who claim a pr, then who are we gonna lynch
scum can claim pr as well you know

This post. You say that we should lynch a town PR at some point, yet earlier you said that your reasoning for not voting Zinger was that he claimed a town PR

wut? i asked a rheritorical question there, i said if we are not lynching a claimed pr, then WHO will we ever lynch

bolded is mine. please dont use spoiler.
my iso is not terrible, as usual i dont like your arguemtns

[andrew94]

@pinky: i remembered i had my gut then
@rodion: your comment on me is just fluff lol. everyone read it please.
@silver: why did you say what you said (u>zinger)
@junpei: i was saying if he was actually lying, he would have kept lying.
yes i did

[andrew94]

so many so many pages.
@junpei, any other reasons for why i am scum?
as i said a million times (and you understood) zinger firstly didnt need to claim at all, secondly, didnt need to change his claim, and again etc. im also pretty sure his earl claim was a joke?
@rainbow, no point crying over how day should have ended 20 pages ago.

[andrew94]

unvote vote silver

respond to stuff when i get back

[andrew94]

unvote vote silver

respond to stuff when i get back

Also explain the vote when you get back.

as i said, i dont think zinger is lying, so im voting silver. silver was also suspicious for reasons i remembered i stated before but forgot.
english is NOT my first language.

also, im pretty sure you said i was scum somewhere.

[andrew94]

admiral, you should know better than to call me sailing under the boat. thats a bad case and it is tunneling.

silver classicly saying 'im just continuely with my day 1 scum reads' (Same as admiral there)
meransiel i recalled you saying you would be useful day 2. care to share?

[andrew94]

junpei seriously. hes first post. he just made a general statement that looked like he was doing something when he was not. that so hard to get?

im pretty sure i was attempting to say next time someone claims pr.

junpei, your post 1527, where u find all these examples. i notice you missed out thadmiral and some others who did the same thing





ok so moi outed me. cool. after wanting more votes on pappum.
i have some suspisions at the moment, however ill say them later on.(info for the town on the other neighbourizer)

let me run through your reasons:
Here’s a run-down of my thoughts on why they are more likely to be scum.

1. Dayplay in thread has been very substandard and lurky.

compare that to my posts in the thread

2. QT reasoning that I found suspect –

A. They said they considered skipping Day recruiting at first.

lol whats wrong with that

B. Low overall QT precence and no-scum hunting therein. His early interactions with me are asking general gameplay questions like “Why is Hydra Dissonance scummy”.

because i dont even know what that is.i have scumhunting in the thread. you never intiated any reads on any players privately. all my reads i posted on the game

C. After some time asks point blank whether I think he is more Town than the other Neighborizor.

i had a feeling i was the less town

D. Suggests in QT that he might not Night Recruit (which I find a huge scumdar Ding) to ‘preserve the Integrity’ of the QT.

same as why i didnt wanna day recruit fast. and bro i asked jason and he said you could invite anyone. i then asked if one was scum, whether he could invite his scumbuddies. he said yea. hello??

E. The second recruit to the Neighborhood was a scum-read of the Neighborizor. After he talked about ‘keepeing the integrity’.

read again

banshee and people posting after all ignores moi post


izak posts first about it, i find that a town read


@everyone you know how you demanded junpei's track. and he said vezok. what if vezok said he did go somewhere. who would you believe.

david continueing on his questioning from yesterday null
many other people completely ignore moi afterwards (chk silver etc)

[andrew94]

firstly, banshee what do you mean 'this'

secondly, david, you can do ANYTHING you like, but not misunderstand me.
i clearly stated that i asked jason this question: can scum neighbouriser( ie the other) recruit their own scum buddies.
the answer was yes.
the people i recruit cannot recruit. only i can recruit. get that?
the point i was trying to make was that moi said 'you waited so long to recruit you are more likely to scum'./
i am saying that it is actually easier to recruit someone as a scum neighbouriser than a town neighbouriser cos he can just invite one of his bros. moi might even be his bro. moi has stated that both times, the other neighbouiser invited as soon as possible

im not gonna say the terms of my role now.
the reasons for recruiting moi will also not be revealed.

@everyone you know how you demanded junpei's track. and he said vezok. what if vezok said he did go somewhere. who would you believe.

This is scummy strirring the pot. You’ve asking us to take sides in a theoretical scenario that hasn’t happened. Vezok and Junpei did not contradict each other.

im not 'stirring' the pot. i remember soeone saying 'if vezok says something else, junpei hangs'.

ok so moi outed me. cool. after wanting more votes on pappum.

Wanting more votes on another scummy candidate doesn’t mean I shouldn’t do what I think is best for Town. And at this stage I’m doubting very much you are Town. So I wanted to directly post the inforamtion.

fair enough

compare that to my posts in the thread

Are you asking me to compare them to the QT thread? I’m not clear on your point here.

in the game thread. my other game threads. all my QT threads. the 'lurk' as you call it, is not lurk. its coming on once a day

lol whats wrong with that

So as theortical Town Neighborizer you’d rather skip the ability to take a Town read into the QT to bounce reads off of Day 1 and instead want to hold off? Unless your ability is more restricted than you have indicated I don’t see a Town reason for doing that.

its not more restricted than i said. iwas thinking thinking thinking and thought you. as a theoritcal scum neighborizer, would instead grab a scum buddy or someone that lurks, or a crap guy? i noticed your good play in our vengeful game ages ago. theortically i wouldnt get some strong playes?

Scum on the other hand would have to balance the danger of bringing a Town player into the QT and risk getting fingered for play on two fronts (Thread and QT)

no they dont... how so.

because i dont even know what that is.i have scumhunting in the thread. you never intiated any reads on any players privately. all my reads i posted on the game

I didn’t initiate reads as a means of testing you. The other Neighborizer did offer reads up unbidden. You did not.

ok... did he then post those reads in the game thread?

i had a feeling i was the less town

So instead of trying to demonstrate through Pro-Town actions you just asked instead?

pro town is not town. if everyone acts pro town, who do you lynch. scum act pro town.

same as why i didnt wanna day recruit fast. and bro i asked jason and he said you could invite anyone. i then asked if one was scum, whether he could invite his scumbuddies. he said yea. hello??

Hello whut? You are the Neighborizer. You are the ONLY one who can invite someone to the QT. Why would you even be concerned about being able to invite a scum-buddy unless you are scum?

see my reply above to david

read again

I did read. You said, paraphrased “I saw something the other Neighborizer said that was a scum slip and implicated Player Y as scum with them. So I recruited Player Y”. In the same QT post (36 BTW) you said to the effect of “I believe you are scummy for what the other Neighborizor said”.

Why you didn’t just recruit a Town read of yours is beyond me.

i have no main town reads. i considered grabbing a null read, but i wanted to grab that particular guy to see what he said etc

@junpei what the hell is 1 2 and 3 referring to?
@chk, does that neighbour group have moi in it. it sounded like there were another group


btw the bolded parts are mine

[andrew94]

ughh overnight of dota etc ill post tommorrow k.

[andrew94]

@thadmiral and the other guy (forgot name)
i already stated before that i saw someone say if vezok said he went somewhere junpei hangs.

why would scum recruit another scum? please someone answer this...
here we go:

situation:
X is scum. he has to invite someone. he invites his scum bro and so
later on, it looks like X isnt the person who moi says 'is trying to
not get hit on two fronts, qt play and thread play'.


@rodion, moi didnt mention that i said it differently. i thought my newest recruit (Y) was scum, but not directly because of his actions, but because of his interactions with another suspicious player.
i therefore invited him to see what he say etc.
whats wrong with recruiting some people that i think may be scum??? lol


david and silver also playing ping pong, i gotta go back to my day 1 post and see who else i said were playing ping pong.

Also you don't log on once a day andrew. Or if you do you certainly don't post in the thread once a day. A quick look of your ISO shows this.

dont make me freaking explain this. ffs. i usually go on once a day (weekdays). if not, i go on at school. if not, its weekends. if not, its because i have some time free


@junepiresponds to ur 1619
dude are you /**********.
1)easjo's post basically says something along the lines of ' X'
everyone: hey easjo said 'he cant see it helping town' so he must be town
but hes just saying it to make himself seem like town and doing something at the same time. get it?
for example i say: guys lets not do this it doesnt help town
so it looks like im doing something but then i could have just said that above whether im town or scum
and it looks to be more likely scum.

2) ok whatever.
3) ok maybe i see wrong.
4) i responded to it already

i took 48 hours to respond btw


also, whats wrong with me not revealing my reasons for recruiting moi, you dont need to know.


also, i noticed that when i wasnt here, people didnt say as much crap about me. all i see is someone quoting part of my post and saying this is bad this is bad etc. (after i post) what does this show? oppourtunistic

[andrew94]

someone said the following: junpei hangs if vezok counters
before vezok said anything. therefore i asked the question after (i will try to find that person)

my second point is that moi said the following: scum neighbourizer has to balance because they get owned on two fronts: the qt and the thread.
now, if someone is a scum neighbour, wouldnt the logical thing to do is to
A) get a scum partner
B) get some town later on

to see what he says, i can determine the other guys alignment from junpei(As im not THAT sure)

integrity= 2 can keep a secret. 3 cant
the arrangement was that if A dies then B is scum
if B dies A is scum
if moi dies A and B reveal each other
i thought if i recruited a scum then he can exploit this

[andrew94]

thadmirals questions:

1) dude, read what i said.
i said @everyone blah blah blah.
i wanted that particular person to answer tho
oh i found that person hes moi (post 1495)
2) yea
3) huh? if your asking me whether im asking why they would more likely
to trust that person,
yes
if not, i dont understand

4)yes
5)yes to an extent
6) yes i went back on my opinion
7) slightly yes
8) im not sure whether im responding to that or not. im saying i can
determine another guys alignment from junpei
9) yes the other neighbourizer
10) yes
10 (Again)) its the secret that me and moi were neighbours. the reason i didnt want to night recruit at first was because that guy might be scum
11) huh? i said if i invited scum he COULD exploit this (if both neighbourizer town)
that someone isnt a scum read set in stone. its an indirect scumread that i got from the other neighbourizer

comments on thadmiral: you know how you voted me because of being under the boat on day 1?
then you know how you voted me first thing on day 2 again?
am i still under the boat? and is your vote still on me?(cant remember)

some of your questions are suspicious.



@david X misunderstands me as usual. i never said anything about lynching junpei.

@rodion i believe i have answered your questions as well.

[andrew94]

also, during the weekends i wanna find some people that are clustered around this convo that are oppourtunistic and sus

and those that totally skim past (apart from chk)

[andrew94]

i dont understand banshees first part.
the second part: the benefit is that they can talk? ask each other questions
etc. about scumhunting, theres no point having a secret scum read in
the Qt, much rather have it out in the open.

@thadmiral, your first question is suspicious.
it was a trap question. you know fully well that usually i would just say yes or no
notice how i rarely answered yes or no in my answers? yea.

@david, you still dont understand what im saying. i cbf explaining further

@rodion the qt integrety thingee was so newcomers dont mouth off. (i said that?)
i wanted to catch scum instead of having a town read that may or may not be town. so screw intergrety afterall

@ andrew:

1. Why did you recruit someone you had a scumread on, even one not set in stone, if you wanted to keep the integrity of the neighborhood?
You say you were worried, night 1 for example, that the person you recruited might have been scum, and that they could have exploited the knowledge of you and moi as neighbors and that is why you considered not recruiting. Therefore why wouldn't you want to recruit someone you were almost certain was town?

2. When did you start considering MoI as potential scum?

3. Why did you recruit MoI in the first place? (apologies if you've already answered that)

1)part of this is answered when i answered rodion. go read it.
and i was scared they would have exploited the 2neighbour deadlock, not just me and moi being neighbours, as moi revealed the other neighbour to me in the Qt thread.
2) i think after day 2 when he started doing the things he said made me look like scum. and after he called me scum
3) i didnt answer and i wont.

[andrew94]

gonna go airport fetch dad.

[andrew94]

cool

[andrew94]

^I dont exist right

[andrew94]

just wanted to say that i did suggest to invite my own scum buddies into the neighbourhood but nobody volunteered.
instead they chanted 'junpei junpei'