Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[Seacore]

well, there goes the advertising plan...

[hiphop]

Indeed it is.

Hip, I know newman lied, but I still think Ice/Pere are better targets. His actions prior to that fiasco just scream town.

Agreed.

[GreyICE]

Hahahahaha Ghostlin just claimed scum.

Really, guys. The bid manipulation

theory

is lame.

Odds are GI's lying to us.

2) I won Cop with a $99 bid that I only used $95 of.

I'm REALLY confused why.

ISN'T IT BECAUSE I'M LYING TO THE TOWN GHOSTLIN? WOULDN'T THAT BE THE REASON THAT YOU WON IT FOR LESS THAN I BID? HOW WOULD THAT CONFUSE YOU?

Or do you know that even if you get me lynched, tomorrow you're going to need a different explanation than "GreyICE is scum?"

[hiphop]

ghostlin was just lynched.

[hiphop]

If ghost flips town, do you still want me to nk you?

[GreyICE]

If ghost flips town, do you still want me to nk you?

Hells yes.

He just fucking admitted that he knows I'm town. Look at that. He said I was 'most likely' lying, and that he 'didn't know what happened.'

After that there's an 0.01% chance he's flipping town, if I'm wrong about that shoot me for being a derp.

[hiphop]

But I still don't get why you not winning the cop, makes him scum. Like I said, how would scum know you were going to bid on cop too?

[GreyICE]

The above is serious btw. If he's actually town, I'm just going to get lynched, or shoved aside by the scum so they can push a lynch on me closer to LyLo.

My last reads if Ghostlin flips town and I'm shot:

Hiphop is town
LLD is town
Seacore is town

Everyone else... meh, too much effort, I'll just put the people who are easy to read, 'cause ghost is soooooo not town


PEdit: It's not the fact the cop auction was fucked with. It's his flip-floppy wishy-washy behavior. He didn't want to push MS to the wall because he knew MS would flip town and that'd throw a spotlight on his behavior. He only started screaming for votes when the wagon was well underway and he thought it would go unnoticed. He then attacked me and everyone pushing him when the tide started to turn, and then made that last post where he blatantly waffled all over the place, when town would have NO reason to believe my bid claim if they legitimately won the auction as town.

Oh and then there's his day 1 play.

The cop auction was a great reason to suspect him. He won while underbidding me, then IMMEDIATELY started going 'strange stuff happened, dunno, lol' when MS claimed, rather than seeing it as any sort of scumslip.

Trust me, hiphop, town doesn't play that way.

[PeregrineV]

My strongest scum read is Icey by far, his actions throughout today have included obvious contradictions, changing of reads with minimal reasoning and insistence that Newman is scum when he was very quick to drop suspicion of Newman earlier in the day when the wagon seemed like it might die down.

Other scum reads I have include Midnight (Floating between weak scum and null), Mal (Floating between weak town, null and weak scum) and at the moment Pere actually (Bidding related reasons which I'll go into later).

Sure Town: (Seacore, Hiphop, RedCoyote)
Likely Town: (GreyICE, LLD)
Leaning Town: (Chaos, Mal)
Null: (Newman)
Scum: (Icey, Pere, Ghostlin)

Vote Ghostlin

-Ghostlin was most likely bus on the WNC wagon (Basically Reg and I thought that wagon happened too smoothly for it to likely be all town: RedCoyote pushed the lynch and is obvtown now, LLD is likely-town, Hiphop+Seacore are obvtown. Only other possible bus on there is Newman.)
-GreyICE's initial willingness to lock votes in between him and his pseudo-CC
-Ghostlin's overall reaction to the situation has been relatively more scummier than GreyIce's
-Ghost's failure to grasp GI's reason for voting him (GI asserts that Ghostlin isn't looking into what caused the confusion, but rather Ghostlin is just pushing on GI)

Indeed it is.

Hip, I know newman lied, but I still think Ice/Pere are better targets. His actions prior to that fiasco just scream town.

@Ethos- interesting transition on me with no explanation. Also since you didn't get around to it, I hope to hear why not.This should help.


And while explaining, would also be interested in what Malp said that increased your Malp=town read after Post 400. I couldn't find anything ultra-townie, but you did.

[hiphop]

PEdit: It's not the fact the cop auction was fucked with. It's his flip-floppy wishy-washy behavior.

Ok, then. I understood the part afterwards, it just that I thought the cop auction was the reason you were pushing him. If that is the case, why would one of you or ghost be scum? Cop auction, or part after?

[GreyICE]

PEdit: It's not the fact the cop auction was fucked with. It's his flip-floppy wishy-washy behavior.

Ok, then. I understood the part afterwards, it just that I thought the cop auction was the reason you were pushing him. If that is the case, why would one of you or ghost be scum? Cop auction, or part after?

60% auction, from the fact that he claimed one thing, I claimed another, and warring claims usually involve scum.

40% behavior. All of it.

Fuck, he was the first and only player to go 'look at me, I'm so townie I don't even want a night kill!' which is scummy as fuck. My opinion is town should be conspiring openly to GET the goddamn night kill, not declaring openly how townie they are because they're fine with not even trying to keep it away from scum.

About the only townie thing he did was bristle wildly at LLD, and even that's degenerated into scummy whining.

[GreyICE]

Anyway, who cares? Shoot me if I'm wrong, 100%. I'm not being a goddamn mislynch later in the game for the scum.

[GreyICE]

And furthermore I don't even have a dime onhand, so all my cash will end up in RedCoyote's coffers. You can't take a dime away from the town, whereas any other shot can.

[hiphop]

60% auction, from the fact that he claimed one thing, I claimed another, and warring claims usually involve scum.

The behavior I agree with 100%. (Btw did he have time to transfer his funds if he was town), if he hadn't been hammered, I would have. However what I can't wrap my head around is the quoted. This isn't a regular game where scum make up a claim, but a claim that involves facts. And the fact is, he did win it. There is no if's and's, or but's about it. It is a fact. There is also the fact that some people were bidding on cop, because otherwise it wouldn't have gotten up to $95.

Too lazy to check, but none of your bids went through yesterday, correct? Did the others, move up the bid accordingly?

And yes, if I shot you, you still would lose your daily wage.

[GreyICE]

Fuck it man, I'm not arguing that the lynched player is scum in the twilight. I'll tell you my bidding strategy tomorrow, when I've had more time to think about it. I've claimed all of MS' bids, and I'm not going to even try and guess what he was doing. It's less comprehensible than when TS claimed to have a big secret about his role... as VT.

If he flips town, I want you to shoot me so I'm not a goddamn mislynch later in the game (I HATE being a mislynch).

If he flips scum and you want to shoot me, go ahead. I replaced into a slot on L-2 on a lark, if I got scum lynched and then got night killed, well, that's fucking amazing in my book.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ethos, your watcher power is going to be important tonight.

We have two threats. A potential scum DOCTOR and a potential scum RB.

[PeregrineV]

I currently have $97, and a "paycheck" balance of $65 I can take a "payday loan" from.

In case you're not here tomorrow, it looks like you are a non-standard role. If you did not win, it also looks like you did not receive a wage. If that is the case, what is the source of your payday loan if you don't get a wage? Also, was that ability available day1?

[GreyICE]

Ethos, your watcher power is going to be important tonight.

We have two threats. A potential scum DOCTOR and a potential scum RB.

Oh no, a scumbag could protect a townie from the night kill.

Plox don't tell me you actually think seacore is scum hun... I know you're paranoid, but I just don't think that's true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ethos, your watcher power is going to be important tonight.

We have two threats. A potential scum DOCTOR and a potential scum RB.

Oh no, a scumbag could protect a townie from the night kill.

Plox don't tell me you actually think seacore is scum hun... I know you're paranoid, but I just don't think that's true.

I don't. Seacore is town ALL the way to the bank.

[GreyICE]

I currently have $97, and a "paycheck" balance of $65 I can take a "payday loan" from.

In case you're not here tomorrow, it looks like you are a non-standard role. If you did not win, it also looks like you did not receive a wage. If that is the case, what is the source of your payday loan if you don't get a wage? Also, was that ability available day1?

I get a paycheck every two weeks. I can use money in that paycheck to bid, but if I win, every $8 I spend from the paycheck takes $10 out (and I can't reduce the paycheck below zero).

I don't know if the money was available day 1, I'll ask.

Pedit: thank god. Townie alliance of doom, coming right up!

[GreyICE]

By 'every two weeks' I mean every two game days, to be clear.

Just fairly obvious where the flavor came from.

[Seacore]

hiphop, town read or not, you NEED to kill GreyIce if Ghostlin flips town.

[GreyICE]

Yeah. Either I get lynched tomorrow, or on day 6 or 7, the scum go 'remember the mystery when we lynched Ghostlin-town trololol?'

Reason I wanted to mail my damn money to someone I could be 95% on being town.

[Seacore]

Yeah. My only concern at the moment is that this is a giant gambit between you and ghostlin, so that when he flips scum, you're painted as obv town.

But
a) that's probably just my paranoia
b) I'll just remind myself and others that you're just "likely" town.

[PeregrineV]

@Seacore- with 2 scum teams (which I am unfortunately leaning towards), it doesn't necessarily have to be a gambit.