[Mini 1205] Tough Guy Mafia - Game Over!

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/confirm

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VOTE: Lobster

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1. Town. I'm nervous as scum.
2. Asking for suspect lists.

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Getting scumvibes from Yonzy, YankCane, and el simo. Still ok with my Lobster vote at the moment.

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Getting scumvibes from Yonzy, YankCane, and el simo. Still ok with my Lobster vote at the moment.

You too? You'd rather keep a random vote then vote who you have scumvibes on?

Lobster vote is not random

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It was a random vote at first but his ISO gives me scumvibes just like those others I listed. You are right, though; I didn't explain it. But I was trying to imply that I guess.

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It was a random vote at first but his ISO gives me scumvibes just like those others I listed. You are right, though; I didn't explain it. But I was trying to imply that I guess.

What exactly gives you scumvibes in his postings? Any specific examples?

I feel like an idiot but I must've pulled someone else's ISO up and thought it was his. I don't see anything scummy in his ISO upon review.

UNVOTE: Lobster

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I actually like his vote, even.

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VOTE: Yonzy

more worried about self-defense than scumhunting.

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UNVOTE: Yonzy
VOTE: KKN

Not a fan of his 95 and his vote is bad at this point (even though I think Yonzy is scummy). His justification has expired.

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Wicked - honestly I don't know. I should've been recording things as I saw them but I didn't this early in the game. Probably one of those other ones I listed.

Hez - it seems contrived

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How is Wicked confscum now?

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HH - that doesn't really help... If he's confscum you should be able to describe why in a concise manner.

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UNVOTE: KKN
VOTE: Horrifying Hero

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Why is no one looking at HH more? I don't think Yank-Hez is a town v town per se but it's impossible to determine the best candidate between them at this stage. Let's look elsewhere for now.

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bobsnox: Look again. Determine again. Hez is scum, let's not look elsewhere.

statements like that on day one are so bad

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UNVOTE: KKN
VOTE: Horrifying Hero

What purpose was this going to serve? Do you actually think he is scum? Or are you actually trying to apply some pressure on him?

If it's the former, what makes you think he is scum over KKN?

If it's the latter, what makes you think he will hurry if he's been holding out for this long?


I don't see what made you want to hop on this joke, since I've read HH's ISO, and he's doing some MAJOR foreshadowing, so I think it's best to just wait. If his proof is inconclusive, this vote would be justified. But at the moment a HH lynch seems rushed and not very well thought out.

Your questions are odd. They seem to be assuming I didn't intentionally vote HH and didn't mean to get off the KKN wagon to do so.

I honestly can't even remember why I'm voting KKN without looking back, but HH didn't (unless I missed it) give me a good reason why Wicked was "confscum," offering a cop out instead. He seems to be promising things and not delivering but making very bold statements which could easily be backed up if he wanted to. It looks like scum trying to get by on rhetoric instead of scumhunting.

That said, I haven't read thoroughly for probably the last page or so. I left my computer in preview for my last post several hours back and only skimmed through when I returned.

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bobsnox: Look again. Determine again. Hez is scum, let's not look elsewhere.

statements like that on day one are so bad

Why? And why didn't you answer Vifam's questions from earlier?

see above. slow down tiger.

what's with the buddying by the way?

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They're bad because it's day one. You don't know as much as you think you do. I know you're not new to this site so what's the deal? More often than not stuff like this gets a townie killed day one and then another townie autolynched day two for leading the wagon. I don't know what you and Hez are but neither of you are good day one lynches based purely on that.

Unless one of you has made a huge scumslip, I suggest we look elsewhere.

Sorry to be the voice of reason <_<

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I hope people take note of the connection between vifam and yank. might be buddying between scum and town from the latter to the former, or might be scum buddying to each other. I'd be the first over the second.

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This game is aptly named, I'll say that. Let's see who can talk the loudest.

Vifam - Your questions have obvious answers. Asking them is implying that the answers are not obvious and that I did not do something very obvious for very obvious reasons. In other words, you're trying too hard. A good question is, "Why did you vote for HH?" A bad question is, "Do you think he is actually scum?" That contains a lot of ridiculous implications, or it implies I'm being disingenuous, neither of which you have even the slightest reason to think right now.

Yank is making your arguments for you. That's basically buddying.

Yank - KKN was not a RVS Lobster was a RVS. HH is scummy for reasons I already listed. Your argument that Hez is a better lynch does not even consider my presupposition that all lynches like the one we'd have to have to lynch you or Hez are bad this early. We're not meeting on the same page so just drop it I guess. Also, your death would not confirm Hez's alignment if you're town. that's the kind of stupid outcome I'm trying to steer us away from. Quit making yourself a martyr when no one is asking you to be.

I figured this is the kind of reaction I would get for suggested a moderate course. Oh well.

Yank - who is your best alternative lynch to Hez?

Vifam - who do you least want to lynch at this stage?

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I think Hez is town and Yank either scum or troll and either way not a good thing for town.

yeah I don't know if hez is town but yank is not good for town.

VOTE: yankcane

I barely skimmed the last couple pages, so nobody freak out about me not answering their recent posts.

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You're very caustic aren't you? It's not really wishy washy, but you can misrep all you want day one. You're the best person to eliminate at this time. That's how I play day one. I tried to get another strategy going because I'm not convinced you're scum, but you are utterly against that. The rampant tunneling on hez and the refusal to seek a better gameplan has convinced me you need to die. Also, the omgus on tars will probably not go well for you.

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lol no that's not getting me straight. step back and revisit the game. deadline's in a while.

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This is how I play usually.

Can someone fill me in on why Yank is obvtown?

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Tars - nothing changed except my mind on what was most valuable for today. He was still refusing to stop tunneling Hez and pushing what really looked like a bad lynch to me. That was antitown behavior and I thought it was time to give up the middle road and remove Yank from the game.

Funny thing is, I'm just as willing to jump on your wagon because we finally have some consensus going. Your misinterpretation of my motivations looks like scumpainting and deflection. "Oh people suspect me? Let me find the easiest target to deflect on." I'm always just that - an easy target. You can read through any of my games here and see that. I don't mind being the bait when I have certain roles because my wagon will inevitably have opportunistic scum on it.

UNVOTE: yank

VOTE: tars

And that wasn't a defense of you

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Easy target for you to deflect to, tars. That's what I meant.

I'll start paying closer attention to this game. Sorry guys.

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thank you Friend. that post didn't sit well with me either. I haven't paid a lot of attention to avast yet but I'm getting more scumvibes

again, Yank is not obvscum IMO, but he is scummy and antitown. that makes him an ok lynch for day one.

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HH is playing games with us, isn't he (they)?

PEDIT: Yank - HH, tars, suspecting avast of late. Several people have slipped under the radar though, so I might add some more soon.

For what it's worth, my town list includes Friend and Rainbow. They seem levelheaded and protown.

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There's also a difference between thinking he's obvscum and finding him somewhat scummy. That's what I'm saying. Your case is done. Move on.

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it's just getting old. not trying to be so blunt but we need to be throwing feelers out elsewhere instead of rehashing the same stuff expecting the story to rewrite itself to fit.

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I'm tempted to sheep Friend too. He was a breath of fresh air, and a townread.

hmm avast or wicked

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the whole wicked is confscum thing from HH makes me lean toward avast.

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el simo is scummily wrong... hmmm

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pony - not going to bother if you're going to discredit it anyway. already stated my case on yank.

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ummm no?

who are you again? No offense meant, but it's really hard to take you seriously. Maybe if you used appropriate pronouns that might help.

You got basic acknowledgement. I see your request. But you discredited my case on yank so I don't really feel like doing much else on your schedule.

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Remind where you "proved" it "incorrect" please. I admit I haven't been paying the best attention to this game, but I only recall you stating that Yank was obvtown and that was it.

It doesn't bug me so much as make me wonder how old you are and where you got started down this path.

Being manipulative isn't necessarily a good thing. You can lead the charge and still be scum. These threatening remarks are interesting, too. There's literally nothing you can do but push for my lynch, so I'm wondering what punishment beyond that you could possibly plan if I don't bow to your will.

What a waste of time this is. How about you drop your ego for a little bit and let's decide between Wicked and Avast. Deadline is approaching fast.

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willing to lynch either

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Actually no. I'm willing to lynch avast. Wicked's ISO looks better.

oh no a one-liner! bobsnox is scum!

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Avast

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vote

I'm good with my vote el simo. Is there a good case against you I should be interested in?

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can we bring Friend back if Lobster isn't going to post? <_<

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hmm not feeling a wicked wagon if HH is still on that kick. And a Rainbow-wicked scumteam? Not seeing that either.

I think avast is a better lynch today.

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Actually no. I'm willing to lynch avast. Wicked's ISO looks better.

oh no a one-liner! bobsnox is scum!

How does Wicked's ISO look better enough that it made you change you mind within 2 minutes? Mind elaborating?

I shifted from "yeah sure" to "no." It wasn't "yes definitely" to begin with. I couldn't recall anything that stood out positively from when I first ISOed Wicked. But ISOing both him and yourself led to my "not today" stance on Wicked. You, on the other hand, don't seem genuine to me at all. I'm good with your lynch.

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Not a fan of this wagon. Would be a fan of an avast counterwagon but we're running out of time.

Pedit: no one's going to read 16 pages. Good grief.

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haha Hez that's a great post. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Hez is town based purely on that.

But Yank isn't happening today, so let's get something else going.

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I could go for a vifam lynch. His ISO is lolscum - especially at the beginning. And his suspect list includes town reads for me.

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hey I'm good with that too, and even more sure Wicked is not scum.

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Hez - I trust my scumvibe reading more than picking apart posts. The more I pick apart posts, the more I realize that townies can be scummy as heck sometimes. I nail scum a lot more frequently when I get the gist of someone's play and vote based on that. Avast is way scummier than Wicked from that basis.

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safest claim possible hmm

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Yank - I'm ignoring you and Hez for the rest of the day. You are really focusing on specific things that don't really matter at the moment. Hez might be scum, I don't know. I just liked that one post from him and I don't like how you're playing in general.

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Yank - in all honesty, I haven't read most of your back-and-forth with Hez. All I know is that when I suggested we pick a different path for the day, you were adamantly against it and said so directly to me. I never interacted with Hez regarding that matter. If he is doing the same thing you were, then he's in the same boat.

That said, I'm getting a few townvibes from you of late.

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mod can you include the lynch threshold in your vote counts?

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Vanilla claim is not necessarily scummy but it is the easiest thing to claim for scum.

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Wicked is correct.

And I pointed it out because it's just adding logs to the fire. Scummy play + vanilla claim = good lynch. Doesn't always nail scum but it's a good equation IMO.

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Hez - if anyone is that person it would be me, not Rainbow.

I don't like this 180 Hez just pulled. But I don't see the scum motivation behind it.

Yank - are you more inclined or less inclined to lynch Hez now?

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tars is so scum. this statement is why:

Wicked has at least made some contribution now (I'll decide how much I like it during the night if I don't before).

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Rainbowdash - I really hoped you were town. But you're not. That's lame.

Can someone summarize the grievances you have against me? I'm still under the assumption I'm being voted for very stupid reasons.

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Here recent votes. Before I had a "leaning town, seems genuine" vibe from her. But now I think that pony's being disingenuous with us. I think I see a bit of opportunistic scum in her.

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I question hwo fast this bob wagon has grown. If bob flips town, I'm lynching avast tomorrow. Smells of counterwagon.

cool

or rainbow for being a bad pony

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I now think Wicked is scum. el simo and HH are right. I was about to say what el simo said word for word. You don't play like that if you're a cop.

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yes yes yes

VOTE: Rainbowdash

and I HATE that bob and rdash reacted they way they did

what? to Wicked's claim? I don't believe it but I wasn't willing to vote him day one after that either. What's wrong with that?

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mod why'd you send me a PM saying I could post if I'm dead? ;_;

/bah