Mini 1211: Murder in Sicily [Over]

[monk]

/confirm

[monk]

slowest game start I've been in ever

[monk]

VOTE: Panacea
Just because you have weak suspicions doesn't mean you can't place a vote down on someone

[monk]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: whiskers

Talking about scumhunting isn't scumhunting

noramp, top scumpicks?

[monk]

Cool, more stuff happening, also nice ISOs there whiskers, a bit more IIoA than I like but it's enough for me atm. You're squirming in the right way for me to think you're town
UNVOTE:

Um, noramp what?

Bobsnox from what you've said you are lumping noramp as scum partly because of his vote on me and partly because of a seeming connection to whiskers. I don't like this, though is this more or less a summation of the two people you've labeled as scum? At the moment I'm thinking it's more likely that the scum would be in your null or stronger town reads.

[monk]

For me, it's between bob and whiskers....Can't decide yet

To me you're just saying, I'll jump wherever the most people are. Reasons for either?

[monk]

Really don't like bob's jump onto the musical bandwagon
VOTE: bobsnox

ISOing and there's something interesting about another player.

Iam, any reason in particular that you asked bob about his opinion on Music's opinion of him, since no matter his alignment he would say it was scummy.

[monk]

Panacea, why are you voting for someone who you've placed as null, when you've placed the same people as pretty much everyone else in the game as scum. Your read on Whiskers to me is also contradictory.

[monk]

I find it rather hypocritical for you to be demanding explanations of votes on bob and Music when you've offered so few of them yourself, Friend.

I've talked about Music. If you want me to talk about bob, go ahead and say something.

You need an invitation to talk about one of your scumspects? What part of this isn't anti-town to you?

[monk]

If you guys want to meta me, this is how I play. I am heavily under the belief that conciseness is pro-town.

Anyways, it doesn't even matter that I talk about bob today; Music is the one that should be getting lynched. Bob can wait for tomorrow.

No, bad friend. While Conciseness is pro-town, saying "I've got these suspects, but I'm not going to tell you about them." is sooooooooooo not town. So much so that:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Friend

[monk]

I've told you about my top suspect, the one who needs to be lynched today.

As for the others, they can wait.

But I'm asking about the one that's more likely to be lynched today

[monk]

As to your vote on bobsnox:
Magikarp uses Splash!! It's Super-Effective!!

No it puts him at L-1, all sorts of funky things happen when peeps are at L-1

[monk]

FoS: Noramp, little to no train of thought leading up to the MusicNinja switch, with leans from his previous reads seeming to be towards Null.
I agree with Substrike on Whiskers atm, complaining about inactivity doesn't really help.
Further scumpoints for Friend since he wants to lynch someone who has a total of 8 posts and in most cases is simply the scummier side of null.

[monk]

I think its an optimistic push on a slot that has noone to defend it and will give us no information if we do lynch it.
You're welcome to prove me wrong though, if we lynch music today, and they flip scum, who are your targets for: bob to investigate/a possible vig/lynch tomorrow?

[monk]

He hasnt posted for 5 or so days, so I put him in the mental "up for replacement" category. I wasnt asking for someone to direct more for a general, if he is x where do we go next?

If he is town, its quite easy to figure out where to go, it'd be someone on his wagon, however there isn't enough in my mind to condemn music

[monk]

monk the music case hasn't really gained much in the way of content since before Music went mia and yet he never really defended himself for his lack of scum hunting. He just kept alluding to he would vote when he received some sort of information but never told us how or when he would get it. Who other than Friend would you like to see lynched today if not Music?

At the moment you, Scumhunter or to a lesser extent whiskers

[monk]

Monk, any particular reason you want me lynched?

Sorry, that was a bit of a slip up, there's nothing I have found on a reread that I want you lynched for at the moment.

Tovarish!! What are your thoughts on anything that has transpired in this game!!

[monk]

Maruchan!!! You know you've painted a bullseye on yourself with your whatever the hell it was, right? not to mention the whole fight with substrike wtf dude, I mean seriously! If you are town you are being anti-town and should pull your freaking head in. In fact
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maruchan

[monk]

Maruchan is perhaps being anti town and annoying but I'm not sure that he's scum. He's coming off as frustrated new town to me. The whole fight seemed to be between town.
UNVOTE: I'll take Music off of L-1 seeing as it isn't really helping anything as we wait for a replacement.

However, monk's last post comes off as feigning frustration which only scum would have to do.

No it's frustration at what I think he's done which is softclaim some form of PR without actually pointing out which post he did it in got a bit tangled
Maruchan, for future reference you shouldn't do that, well I don't like people doing that when there's no reason to.

[monk]

Maruchan v. Substrike comes off as REALLY town on town.

But the folks egging them on from the sidelines are scummy as hell (looking at you, Tovarish/monk).

Anyways, guys, here are the 5 people that we are possibly going to lynch today, in my order of preference:

MUSICNINJA
PANACEA
TOVARISH
LTP MAFIA
MONK

There's GOT to be 2 scum in that group, maybe 3 if bobsnox is telling the truth. But shit, guys, come on.

Who the fuck do you want to lynch today, and don't say anyone not on that list.

Um, how exactly am I egging, I guess substrike on?
Since I have basically come out and said what pissed me off about maruchan's play
UNVOTE:
Tovarish is new, why do you think Tovarish is scummy?
Other than that you have an active player and two people who are totally checked out on this game, LTP hasn't posted in this thread in 9 days and Music in 6 I fail to see how most if not all of the scum team is MiA. Oportunistic reads are opportunistic!!

[monk]

Maruchan!!! You know you've painted a bullseye on yourself with your whatever the hell it was, right? not to mention the whole fight with substrike wtf dude, I mean seriously! If you are town you are being anti-town and should pull your freaking head in. In fact
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maruchan

Yo monk.

Being new and lurking are not towntells.

Well being here a long time and continually wanting lynches on people who are being replaced are not town tells either, seriously, pretty much all you've done all game is complain at why we haven't lynched the easiest lynches of any of them, I call them easy because they are either not playing well/defending themselves horribly (whiskers) or not here to defend themselves (Musicninja/LTP MAFIA) grow a pair and find someone scummy for what they have said not because they're totally checked out on this game. Not to mention the fact that Music's slot is two-deep replacement wise, I'm thinking this is more inidcative of a VT slot than a mafia slot.

However I do agree with your case on Music, that those are scummy things to do, I just think we need to hear from his replacement (if we get one) before he's lynched.

[monk]

Kay. That's not what I thought the "chainsaw defense" was and the name doesn't fit with the tactic in any way, as far as I can tell. I figured it was "chain" and then "saw" just added a cool effect and it caught on.

No, I accused Substrike22 along with the other two voting for Maruchan because they made three ducks in a line.

I don't recall defending Maruchan. I won't say I didn't do it, but I really don't remember, and I don't think I did. Give me a minute, I'll go back through my ISO and look for Maru-defending.

A page ago you said your main reasons for voting me were a bucketful of OMGUS and (in an earlier post) my vote on Maruchan. I was also the first one to throw a vote on Maruchan so I don't understand the ducks in a line analogy.

He's saying that he thinks we're all scum with day talk

[monk]

FoS: Noramp, little to no train of thought leading up to the MusicNinja switch, with leans from his previous reads seeming to be towards Null.
I agree with Substrike on Whiskers atm, complaining about inactivity doesn't really help.
Further scumpoints for Friend since he wants to lynch someone who has a total of 8 posts and in most cases is simply the scummier side of null.

Monk: Is:
Anti Noramp
Anti Whiskers
Anti Friend
Anti Maruchan

Pro Substrike
Pro MusicNinja
Pro Tovarish

Noramp, Friend, and iamusername are anti-monk.

monk, tell me your reads and how you feel and stuff-- on LTP Mafia. Not on Link, although, you can do him too. In fact, no.

Read LTP Mafia for me. Then, separately read Hikari Link. You didn't do a lot of talking about LTP in your ISO, it seems.

Yeah, my reads aren't apparent from who I've voted.

Scum
Friend
Tovarish
Noramp

Null
Substrike
Iamausername
MusicNinja
HL

Everyone else is town, my vote on maruchan was because a NK on him wouldn't have been informative to the town at that point and I thought it was more than likely that that would happen considering his post I got angry about.

[monk]

Counter Claim???
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bobsnox

If Bob is a cop and link is scum then we can easily lynch his ass tomorrow, there's no point in him CC'ing in this case as he'd just hurt his faction.

[monk]

Link, what do you think of insane cops etc?

Insane cops are explicitly non-normal

[monk]

Non-sanity, is not based on the Mechanics; Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication. And DOES come under this explicitly non-normal mechanic: Lying to the players, including False Role Reveals and "Scum Masons". I don't really see how it can come under the
"New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication."
exception.

FoS on Whiskers, this seems to be a distraction tactic/wanting to save his scumbuddy.

[monk]

Im here Maru, my game i just replaced into picked up steam and i thought I had posted in this one since

[monk]

Why are you wanting to claim?

[monk]

Im half browsing on my phone in a lecture. There is always the chance that there is a doctor in our setup and that they did the logical thing and protected Link. However the next two mafia flips should be power roles otherwise i think that town has too much power.
I half believe xvart purely because he played the same way in the last game he was in and we caught the rest of the scum team quite quickly after it, xvart can we get a catchup post?

[monk]

hmmm, Town xvart, most definitely, ftm.

Maru, I think it's likely that the scum targeted musicninja because that kill would give us no information and were banking on a doctor

I do not believe there would be a Doctor in this setup, Jailkeep/Cop combination is rather powerful imo

[monk]

1. Panacea

2. Hikari Link

LTP Mafia

Cop Claim

3. Maruchan

crappy

Jailkeeper Claim

4. Scumhunter

6. Substrike22

VT Claim

7. Noramp

8. monk

Innocent Result from Link

9. Tovarish

10. Friend

11. iamausername

12. Whiskers

13. Xvart

MusicNinja

cloudocean

VT Claim

Considering that we also have a flipped goon and going on our group of players, I think it is highly unlikely that there are anti-roles considering they're roles that people generally claim straight up, though if I'm wrong please, please do claim. Our non-claim pool goes to

1. Panacea

4. Scumhunter

7. Noramp

9. Tovarish

10. Friend

11. iamausername

12. Whiskers

If all the claims so far are to be held as true ones then we likely have two scum in this group, five townies left then. Not claiming Miller or PGO is incredibly antitown. From this list these peeps have decided to fly under the radar today:
Panacea, Tovarish, Friend
If xvart flips scum I think it's likely that any of the three above are scum. Friend is least likely as he basically bussed both of his partners then. Tovarish and Panacea I'm not too sure about I'll have a look a bit later.

However I think it's more likely that xvart will flip VT.

[monk]

Maruchan, why don't you want the negative power roles to claim?

[monk]

VOTE: maruchan

xvart makes a good case and Maruchan is attempting to look town by saying anti-power roles shouldn't claim. I don't think this will have the effect he says it will

[monk]

Who on the xvart wagon thinks there is a Doctor?

Ill answer your questions in my next post whiskers

[monk]

monk, Y U so desparate to kill Maruchan?
This fits with Link, who was desparate to get Maruchan killed for a while.

MORE IMPORTANTLY,

monk

earlier you asked why Maru didn't want -PRs to claim. I inferred from this that you do think -PRs should claim. Do you think this? Why?

I'm not desperate to kill Maruchan.

I personally think that negative effect town aligned power roles should claim in their first post of the game.

I don't think we should discuss this too much further today. Could lead to role-fishing/outting due to reactions either intentionally or unintentionally.

We should all be able to agree that a doc and jk are less likely to both exist than other subsets of potential town powers but its certainly not unheard of. Let's leave it at that for now imo.

But, but Maru, Link and Whiskers the two who are the most loudly clammering for xvart's lynch think that there is more than likely a Doctor, which pretty much invalidates their reasoning for voting xvart.

Basically we have no claimed negative power roles, in addition we can safely rule out xvart being targeted last night by scum as he is pretty much easy mislynch.
However that gives us a few things
There is likely a Scum RB, since there was no kill we can safely assume that xvart is not the scum RB if we believe that Maruchan Jailed him. This means that xvart is most likely the only one to be able to do the killing. Who is scum most likely to RB? My money would be on Maru based on his soft claims last day period, so that they can kill Link but this didn't happen either, The other option is that they RB'd Link now that doesn't make sense because he got back an Innocent on me.
However if we add a Doctor into the mix then basically we have them protecting Maruchan or Link and it gives us no information on whether xvart is scum or not!

[monk]

alright im tracker and last night I tracked Substrike and N1 I tracked monk both went nowhere

So you're claiming that you tracked substrike and he didnt go anywhere but hes still scum? I dont buy it not to mention the large amounts of town power

[monk]

I don't think we'd have a scum blocker however a scum tracker or scum rolecop would work

[monk]

So you agree with my feelings that one of the two claiming power roles are lying?

Yes, one of the two power roles is lying, I'd like to hear whether Link got any results

[monk]

Same story with Noramp. If he's lying then both I and whoever else are no longer confirmed town. But I guess that brings up the same pattern discussed above.

That would be me, I am doubleconftownplusplusgood

[monk]

Go team!!
VOTE: panacea

[monk]

VOTE: whiskers

[monk]

Noramp who did you track?

[monk]

and scumhunter is clean

nvm i found it

[monk]

vote: Friend

track whiskers tonight.

Unfortunately we already quick lynched whiskers

[monk]

I'm a VT, not gonna hammer, whatcha got scumhunter?

[monk]

Maxous and Friend need to check in

[monk]

I'm inclined to agree with Friend two goons and a godfather against a cop, tracker and roleblocker is rather unbalanced IMO, but it was a well run and incredibly fun game

[monk]

Both mini types are on the same numbering system, I'm guessing that the change happened due to finding two games with the same number