Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Yosarian2]

I don't really get why people are voting for bvoigt here.

We've got two people claiming to be unrecrutable cult docs. They may both be telling the truth. At least one of them probably is. Either way, unless we've got REALLY strong evidence that they're lying, we can't afford to lynch either of them, because we need some way to stop recruitments in order to not lose. If there is one unrecrutible cult doc, and we lynch him, town probably loses. If there are two, we obviously don't want to lynch either of them. Either way, I think we need to let them live today, we can't risk lynching either of them right now.

Even if one of the two of them is lying cult, there are other cult to find today. Let's go after them.

[Herodotus]

@Magister: I gave my results already, in this post on Day 2.

@Nobody Special: What are your thoughts on Zdenek/Flameaxe?

[Magister Ludi]

How about the subsequent nights, like 2,3 and four?

[populartajo]

am I wrong in the assumption that this is some kind of lylo and if we lynch wrong its likely gg?

that was the idea behind the massclaim, right? correct me if Im wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Magister: I gave my results already, in this post on Day 2.

@Nobody Special: What are your thoughts on Zdenek/Flameaxe?

That's 1 result from Day 2.

This is Day 5. Where are your other results?

[Nobody Special]

@Nobody Special: What are your thoughts on Zdenek/Flameaxe?

Zdenek seems slightly sketchy to me; I'm quite leery of Flame simply due to occupation (shall we say I've had experience with that type of character?).

[Kinetic]

@Magister: I gave my results already, in this post on Day 2.

HAHAHAHAHHA Balls of steel man. Balls of fucking STEEL.

[Yosarian2]

am I wrong in the assumption that this is some kind of lylo and if we lynch wrong its likely gg?

that was the idea behind the massclaim, right? correct me if Im wrong.

I don't see how it could be. Cult has at most 5 recruits right now, right? Probably less, with multiple unrecruitables, a jailkeeper, and possibly multiple cult docs, they've probably failed once or twice. There are still 15 people left alive.

Now, if the scum never failed to recruit, if there's another person recruited tonight, and vigs (or whatever) shoot two more townies, then we could theoretically be in a 6 scum vs. 7 town situation tommorow, but that's pretty unlikely.

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote

[Magister Ludi]

Hold on here folks. For myself;

CLAIMS

1. Hiro Battousai

Vigilante

2. Bunny Lover

VT

3. Father B. Voigt

Cult Doctor

4. Cecily "Lambdadelta" Smith

Unrecruitable Cult Doctor

5. Paul Cobblerfone,

Bomb (Kills Killer)

6. Spiro Caan,
7. Flameaxe,
8. Herodotus Greco,

Cop

9. Joseph "Kinetic" Camisano,

Mob Lieutenant/Stump

10. Mr. Sam Ludi,

Jailkeeper

11. John "Nobody Special" Doe
12. Pops "ooba" Seaton,

Watcher

13. Doc "Popular" Tajo

Doctor

14. Anahito Xvart

Townie

15. Yosarian Johnson

Irrelevant

16. Mr. Zdenek

50% Doctor

Vote: Flameaxe

[Herodotus]

CLAIMS

1. Hiro Battousai

Vigilante

2. Bunny Lover

VT

3. Father B. Voigt

Cult Doctor

4. Cecily "Lambdadelta" Smith

Unrecruitable Cult Doctor

5. Paul Cobblerfone,

Bomb (Kills Killer and jailkeeper)

6. Spiro Caan,
7. Flameaxe,
8. Herodotus Greco,

Something that includes at least a 1 or more shot Investigation

9. Joseph "Kinetic" Camisano,

Mob Lieutenant/Stump

10. Mr. Sam Ludi,

Jailkeeper

11. John "Nobody Special" Doe
12. Pops "ooba" Seaton,

Watcher

13. Doc "Popular" Tajo

Doctor

14. Anahito Xvart

Townie

15. Yosarian Johnson,
16. Mr. Zdenek

50% Something, including an unspecified type of protection

accuracy ++

Z, do you feel like clarifying:
1: Whether your ability specifically provides protection from NK's?
2: Whether you are told the result of the 50% chance?
3: If so, on what nights have you been successful?

@Yos2: the math works differently when the cult has the possibility of recruiting. Even they wouldn't know it if they reach a point where they could win without any more mislynches.

@Nobody: that doesn't say much. Also, I doubt that your past experience with his type of character is relevant in determining whether Flame has been recruited.

[Mr. Flay]

Third Vote Count of Day Five:

bvoigt - 2 (Zdenek, ConSpiracy)
populartajo - 2 (Nobody Special, Bunnylover)
Bunnylover - 2 (Battousai, populartajo)
ooba - 2 (xvart, Yosarian2)
Zdenek - 1 (bvoigt)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)
Flameaxe - 1 (Magister Ludi)

Not Voting - Cobblerfone, Herodotus, Lady Lambdadelta, ooba

With fifteen voters present, it will take eight votes to lynch.

[bvoigt]

@Bunnylover: You claimed VT, but Flay's sample role PM has the word Townie. Why?

[Cobblerfone]

Flameaxe, why aren't you claiming?

[Flameaxe]

Because there is no reason to do so.

[Cobblerfone]

Why did you say you were in favor of massclaim if you weren't going to claim?

[Flameaxe]

I am in favor, but I cannot support a massclaim unless everyone does.

Spoiler alert: Not everyone does.

[Cobblerfone]

Why? Only two others beside yourself haven't claimed? Is there a different reason?

[Flameaxe]

A massclaim is useless unless everyone agrees to it. The other two who have not claimed are who I see as those people that don't necessarily agree to it. If not everyone follows along, it isn't really a "mass" claim is it? It's not a "everyone who agrees"claim.

In addition, I won't be claiming until the softclaiming stops. If we want to commit to a massclaim, thats fine. I expect full disclosure in a massclaim, and we have gotten far from that so far from a few people.

[Flameaxe]

Add on: Mind filling me in on the usefulness of this line of questioning? I don't see it.

[Bunnylover]

@Bunnylover: You claimed VT, but Flay's sample role PM has the word Townie. Why?

Well a townie is a VT, so I just put VT.
In the pm (I just checked), the link says that a Townie can be called Citizen, Vanilla Town, and one other thing.

@Cobbler: Why are you focusing on Flamexe not claiming, but not the other two people?

[Cobblerfone]

Because Flameaxe was supportive of a massclaim.

[Flameaxe]

Because Flameaxe was supportive of a massclaim.

What you are asking me to do is no longer a massclaim. It isn't a massclaim if everyone doesn't agree/participate. As far as I can see, Yos won't be claiming at any point.

A massclaim is every player revealing everything about their role that they can paraphrase. That is not currently happening. Why do I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over?

Please answer my question in 3119, Cobble.

[Cobblerfone]

If you're cult and somehow forgot you were supportive of massclaiming.

[Flameaxe]

What would being cult have to do with forgetting I am supportive of massclaiming? What would forgetting I was supportive of massclaiming point towards being cult?