Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[Voidedmafia]

Oh.

I retract my statement, then.

[hiphop]

I don't understand why having non-standard town-roles (ie LLD and GI) is a point in their favour.

Particularly for LLD. I mean, if you were going to need to explain why you have different money to the town, then you'd come up with a different way to accumulate that money.

PEDIT
Sigh, people should wait for discussion before bidding. And people shouldn't bid on multiple things because that just forces town to pay more money.

And I don't have over 700 now, but I will some hours in.

neither do I, but I will.

If you could see the Qt, you would see that GI role is more than what he said in thread. And I believe him. However, LLd who I believe hasn't even come out and said where her money came from, shows scum hiding. And the only reason she hasn't been lynched yet, is because Ethos said no. For reasons something about having a lot of money some day, and for saying she was a town read from certain posts. Though I have to admit the mal lynch was mine and Ethos's push.

[hiphop]

Seacore should take Hitman and nk, since he has the funds.

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.2

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta (1): HellloooNewman

Not voting (6): Voidedmafia, Ethos, Lady Lambdadelta, hiphop, Seacore, GreyICE

Deadline is August 13th, at 3:00pm EST (site time).
Coutdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-08-13 15:00:00)

Most Advertised Ability:

None

#	Name	Minimum Bid	Current Bid	Auction Length	Countdown
36	Doctor x 2	$40	$40	5 days	(expired on 2011-08-04 15:00:00)
37	Hitman x 2	$50	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-08-04 15:00:00)
38	Last Will x 3	$25	-	3 days	(expired on 2011-08-02 15:00:00)
39	Night-kill x 1	$50	$50	7 days	(expired on 2011-08-06 15:00:00)
40	Tracker x 2	$10	$10	3 days	(expired on 2011-08-02 15:00:00)

Spoiler: Abridged Ability Glossary

• Doctor (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will be protected against a single Night-kill that targets them this Night.
• Hitman (Personal):
  If you activate “Night-kill” in the same night you activate “Hitman”, “Night-kill” will ignore one ability that would stop the kill from working (ie, ignore one roleblock or protection).
• Last Will (Personal):
  Choose another player. If you die during this Night, or during the following Day, and that player is still alive, that player will receive all of your money and remaining abilities. The recipient of this transfer, but not its contents, will be announced publicly in-thread.
• Night-kill (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will die unless protected.
• Tracker (Targeted):
  Choose another player. You will be informed which players (if any) that player visited during the Night, but not the nature of each visit. However, other abilities may modify the result of the report. A roleblocked ability activation is not considered a visit.

[hiphop]

Since no one is talking, I went through some numbers. Town started with $100, with a max of $115(possibly be only $50) earned each day. Let's say scum started with $150, and get $125 per day.
If I am scum
D1
Invest $150=$225+$125=$350.
D2
Bid $190 on Nk=$160
Invest the rest=$240+$125=$365
D3
Invested it all=$547+$125=$672
D4
Bid $520 on Nk=$152+$200(Fdr)=$352
$352-$106(rounds down to $100 for transfer fee) sent to GI=$246
Invested the rest=$369+$125=$494
D5=$494 -I have $744.

Granted of course it does not take in effect the bids($-1 and any other bids that were placed and won), nor any other auctions that scum could have bid on. Nor does it take in account how much more per auction scum had to bid extra to win the bid. And scum would have had to invest all of their funds early in the day, not knowing how soon the day would end the next day. And furthermore all money had to be transferred during the day, and not the night, meaning that scum would have had to decide to make the kill on IG before the day ended.(And this was before that a second scum team was even known about.) Also, I think I am being more than generous being that if you look close enough scum would have had enough money to win the nk day 3, and take it from voided, or at least make a higher bid than what it was won for.
(People that hate numbers(I.e. GI) can ignore the above)

If that isn't enough, take into account that I not only claimed Investigation Immunity when I had it, and claimed the day 2 nk. And for more evidence, if it wasn't me, who bid up the nk day 4 to the $520. Or are you saying that I purposely placed the exact bid, to make it look like I was bidding it up, knowing full well that the robber was going to steal the funds and then outbid me on Rb? If that makes any sense.

Yes, I know, I make a lot of noise when someone flips their read of me from town to scum, but I have a right to.

And GI, I believe fully well that the robber could bid up something then steal the funds for it. It is like him giving money to a retailer for a Tv, and then later, stealing the money back. Life happens.

[hiphop]

Scum read: Hiphop (Yes, we think he shot his own partner, will elaborate into it later)

I really want to hear how you came to this conclusion.

[Ethos]

Hiphop, it revolved around your lack of mentioning Icey and suspicion towards him throughout the day attached with him being your kill choice, it read as an attempt to attain town-cred via shooting a partner that was already drowning furthermore there was a post he made directed at you which looked extremely odd and suggested you two being potential partners.

With that said I was reading through this game today on the way to a job interview and came across the fact that you stated you held the leading bid on investigation immunity and were sniped on day one, considering now that it's confirmed that IceyGuy sniped investigation immunity I highly doubt that you're mafia. I don't see mafia planning on team mate X bidding on Y and then having team mate Z snipe it to have team mate X claim they no longer have it.

I need to do some serious reconsidering because I have a town-read wrong at the moment and I have Slaxx in my ear insisting that it's LLD/GreyICE but I continue to maintain that I don't think GI is mafia.

[Ethos]

Just found something interesting. Working out now with Slaxx, by the way Newman is confirmed 100% to not be mafia, he might be robber but I can literally guarantee he's not mafia.

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.3

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta (1): HellloooNewman

Not voting (6): Voidedmafia, Ethos, Lady Lambdadelta, hiphop, Seacore, GreyICE

Deadline is August 13th, at 3:00pm EST (site time).
Coutdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-08-13 15:00:00)

Most Advertised Ability:

None

#	Name	Minimum Bid	Current Bid	Auction Length	Countdown
36	Doctor x 2	$40	$40	5 days	(expired on 2011-08-04 15:00:00)
37	Hitman x 2	$50	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-08-04 15:00:00)
38	Last Will x 3	$25	$25	3 days	(expired on 2011-08-02 15:00:00)
39	Night-kill x 1	$50	$50	7 days	(expired on 2011-08-06 15:00:00)
40	Tracker x 2	$10	$31	3 days	(expired on 2011-08-02 15:00:00)

Spoiler: Abridged Ability Glossary

• Doctor (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will be protected against a single Night-kill that targets them this Night.
• Hitman (Personal):
  If you activate “Night-kill” in the same night you activate “Hitman”, “Night-kill” will ignore one ability that would stop the kill from working (ie, ignore one roleblock or protection).
• Last Will (Personal):
  Choose another player. If you die during this Night, or during the following Day, and that player is still alive, that player will receive all of your money and remaining abilities. The recipient of this transfer, but not its contents, will be announced publicly in-thread.
• Night-kill (Targeted):
  Choose another player. That player will die unless protected.
• Tracker (Targeted):
  Choose another player. You will be informed which players (if any) that player visited during the Night, but not the nature of each visit. However, other abilities may modify the result of the report. A roleblocked ability activation is not considered a visit.

[Magua]

Breaking News

The following auctions have completed:

#	Name	Minimum Bid	Winning Bid	Auction Length
38	Last Will x 3	$25	$25	3 days
40	Tracker x 2	$10	$70	3 days

[HellloooNewman]

I won Last Will, just an FYI.

[Seacore]

Yeah, I only got the money 1 hour before the auctions closed, and I was asleep when that happened.

So, am I bidding on the NK now? And Hitman?

[hiphop]

Just found something interesting. Working out now with Slaxx, by the way Newman is confirmed 100% to not be mafia, he might be robber but I can literally guarantee he's not mafia.

I sincerely doubt that Hn is the robber. I was reading last night and I came across this page. He got 5 votes in 24 hours, and it really looked like, his wagon was the lynch. If you look you will notice that the robber struck right after Magua posted the bids. The very first vote count of day 2, that all 5 voters were on. Now, if the robber were Hn, do you really think he would have struck so early, especially being it was he that 5 people were voting?

[Seacore]

Why would robbing and being voted for be anyway related?

Robbing is anonymous, there's no way to track it, so it's not like he could lay low. The fact that he kept getting super frustrated about not being scum could easily be him being the robber.

[Seacore]

Who is currently bidding for hitman, because I want it. And how much are you bidding?

[Seacore]

Oh look, simply scrolling up the page shows that nobody is.

Cool, I might throw down some small bid on that and pour the rest into NK.

[hiphop]

Yeah, I only got the money 1 hour before the auctions closed, and I was asleep when that happened.

So, am I bidding on the NK now? And Hitman?

Yeah, I believe Voided only put $50 on Nk, so you should be fine there.

Ethos-I really would like to know where you came to the conclusion that Hn is not the scum. I don't believe is scum(sk or mafia). Not yet anyways.

Also, I was really, really close to shooting Pere that night. It came down to me erasing his name, and writing IceGuy, before sending in the pm. It was a you(a town read at the time) saying Ig was scum vs. Iceguy being on the Ghost's wagon, and pere not. Most people would have gone the latter, but I went with the former.

Seacore- Because the way it looks, the robber must strike before the lynch happens. Also, I believe the money he gets is based off the last votecount. So it would not make any sense for Hn to strike so soon, when the only wagon heading for a lynch was his own.

[Seacore]

Ah, it took me a while, but I see the logic, I was looking at it from HN-robber POV. But it makes sense from a X-robber POV. Yep. gotcha.

[hiphop]

ugh, I was just skimming the qt, and it appears GI had bid on nk for $350, way back when he said he was going to.

[hiphop]

Ethos made an interesting comment. Ig had RB. I said here that I would nk one of IG or Pere. Yet, I wasn't RB. In fact Ig never used any of his abilities.

[Seacore]

Cool, I'm not going to bid on NK then, if GI has it.

Instead I might bid on hitman and doctor. Who currently has doctor?

[hiphop]

voided

[Seacore]

Sigh, this is going to be me not getting anything again today isn't it.

Ah well. I'm going to buy myself Hitman just to stop other people from getting it.

[hiphop]

vote Lady Lambdadelta

[Seacore]

vote LLD

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