Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Bunnylover]

@Flameaxe: Well I disagree with the votes on you and how I see your stance. So of course its going to be similar to what you've already said. Your stance is in black and white, and I believed if I posted it, people would realize that even an idiot like me understands it and they will quickly understand it too v-v.

[Magister Ludi]

I think I actually need to reread this, as a few of the people who I thought were acting anti-town and cultish flipped town.

I'll reread.

Also,

First person to respond, which three players do

you

think should be looked at?

[ooba]

V\LA for the next four days

- Pop.Tajo & Xvart .. Stuck on the thrid - Zdenek I guess

[ConSpiracy]

Why isn't bvoigt lynched yet?
And lol, I have never been asked to mass-claim. It just happened.
I agree with flameaxe of it being a stupid idea, though.
What was the reason not every one posted their results? Does anybody want to make a table with everything in it (including night actions/results)

[Cobblerfone]

On another note, I have been processing Cobbler's claim and I don't see that role fitting into a cult game. He says something bad will happen to people who try and kill him or confine him (whatever that means). This role is inherently anti town since he can't kill a recruiter that tries to recruit him (recruiters are treestumps) so odds are the only retribution action he will take is against town. Basically, everything Cobbler has claimed has been to keep people from targeting him, actioning against him, or similar.

At first I thought my role meant that after N0 the recruiters would have to delegate. Now, I think it's a defense against recruited power roles. That or a joke since all it says is something like "they'll regret it". And doesn't

explicitly

say that I'll kill them.

Cobbler your vote is grasping for major straws. Even if he did go from supporting massclaim to not supporting massclaim, I can not see the benefit from a cult member doing that. Its more beneficial for cult to want to mass claim so they can get who role is who, isn't it? So how does all of this = Flamexe culted.

I'm not voting for anyone currently. Anyway, chainsaw defense is duly noted.

Why isn't bvoigt lynched yet?

Because he's a claimed unrecruitable cult-doc that gave the proper "unrecruitable flavor" and it is very easy to check this claim.

[bvoigt]

The Flameaxe thing seems like a waste of time to me. Hey ConSpiracy:

Finally, why would the cult leaders specifically have a role PM of someone who is unrecruitable?

[Cobblerfone]

I have a very simple plan. The last people just need to claim. Yos, you too. After all, it involves bringing you out of the jail.

[Cobblerfone]

Actually, I guess the claim doesn't need to be finished. It would be nice though.

Anyway, so plan: (optional) Ludi jails a claimed VT/zdenek, Hero investigates Yos, Tajo targets Hero (He says he doens't need cult-doc), Ooba targets Hero to make sure it happens (in case the cult has a roleblocker).

After that, if Yos is a PR bvoigt/lady cult-docs him, if he is a VT Ludi continues to jail him. Vigs target VTs/Zdenek (whose claim is the least valuable), then a cult-doc and Hero can target Tajo. If Tajo is town the cult-doc continues to target him. Then we do the same thing with Batt. (optional: We do the same thing with me, while Tajo protects Hero) Then we just continue in this fashion.

I suggest we lynch a claimed VT/Zdenek/unclaimed player today, and that the second vig claims. (Not that it isn't obvious who it is.)

VOTE: Zdenek

Because Bunny seems sincere and xvart seems valuable.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Conspiracy: I don't like a Bvgoit lynch today.

[Yosarian2]

Cobblerfone: I'm not really sure I understand this plan. If you are planning on directing the claimed cult docs, the jailkeeper, and the vigs, then won't the cult know who they can recruit with complete safety? What am I missing here?

[Nobody Special]

I am willing to go with this part of it, at least:

Vote: Zdenek

Does anyone need me to Officially Claim? I think y'all know who/what I am already anyway.

[Cobblerfone]

Cobblerfone: I'm not really sure I understand this plan. If you are planning on directing the claimed cult docs, the jailkeeper, and the vigs, then won't the cult know who they can recruit with complete safety? What am I missing here?

It's just the basic plan. The base of it is to get as many confirmed innocents as possible, the exact order is arbitrary. Actually, now that I think about it, It's probably best for Tajo/Zdenek to protect the cult-docs just in case. Eh,

UNVOTE: Zdnenek

[Cobblerfone]

Wait, why wouldn't it make sense for the cult-docs to protect the confirmed innocents once they've been cleared by Hero?

[Flameaxe]

Well, directing the cult-doc kind of leads us into a position where Kinetic knows who is recruitment-protected...

[Cobblerfone]

Better to

know

that someone isn't recruited than to protect someone that might

already

be recruited and forcing the entire process to start over again.

[Flameaxe]

Better to have a chance at Kinetic failing a recruitment this late in the game. Your plan sets us up to fail in that respect. If Kinetic knows who isn't cult-protected, he can essentially get a free recruit each night. Unless Batt is perfect with his vig skills, it doesn't work. This doesn't even consider the worst case scenarios of any vigs being recruited or the number of recruits already being at five. Those cases make it even less likely to work.

[Cobblerfone]

Okay, cult-docs can target Vigs instead (as long as they're recruitable), I don't care. Probably makes more sense anyway.

[Flameaxe]

Which doesn't fix the problem of them being recruited already...at all?

[Cobblerfone]

Hero can investigate them. Gah. It's so simple: Investigate on one night cult doc the rest like this:

Lady -> NS. Hero -> Batt.
If Batt = town: Bvoigt -> Batt. Hero -> NS. And Lady -> SomeOtherRandomGuy.

[Flameaxe]

Hero can investigate them

I agree, we should totally rely on the claimed cop that has avoided revealing anything past his night one result. Your plan making skills are impeccable.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, that still dosn't get us past the fact that if you tell the cult docs who to recruit, the cult will simply recruit someone else. If the cult recruits every night, we lose, even if we lynch right every day. (We could theoretically win if we lynch right and vig right every day, but counting on that is really, really iffy at best).

Also, your plan seems to be assuming that everyone who's claimed is both telling the truth and is still town, which is, uh, iffy at best.

We need to lynch cult, but we need to do it without directing the cult docs and the jailkeeper, because we need the cult recruitment to fail some of the time.

[populartajo]

Requesting replacement on all games. Some serious shit is happening on RL. Sorry mod, sorry all, Ill compensate sooner or later

[Yosarian2]

EBWOP: should obviously have been "who to protect". You know what I mean.

[Magister Ludi]

Tajo

1. Seems very aggressive and disbelieving around Darox's claim on whatever day, something I would expect cult not to do.
2. Tunneled mega hard on DGB, not sure if this is a cult tell, but I'm leaning not.
3. I missed this. Tajo, what do you mean

protected dgb n1
protected hero all following nights

i was rbed yesterday

4. I agree with him on Flameaxe, same thought process I am going to reason probably means same town alignment.
5. Probably not cult. Not going to vote him.

Xvart

1. Super active D1 when coming under a ton of heat, but realitively quiet since. What I would expect from a recruit. Over half his posts came on day one.
2.

Hell, Kinetic could have tried to recruit DGB last night and failed for one reason or another (ABR recruit already?).

Pings me. Seems cultish when mentioning on day two, when this is quite possible to have happened
3. Act stupids and asks for clarification around the triangle of Yosarian me and Seraphim claims, also doesn't appear to interested in the results. Is on both of the ABR lynches, but other than that, not much.
4.

I'm still processing the Scumputer results but based on my preliminary understanding of DGBs thought process I could probably swing for a Darox lynch.

Seems to deflect thinking off himself, also plans to vote Darox weakly here.
5. Several long walls intersperesed with nothing, my thought process is he is doing this so he can pile a lot of typing into one post and look active.
6. Feel and pushes read cultish.

Unvote
Vote: xvart

Zdenek

1. will do him at a later time, especially since I think xvart is an awesome lynch right now.

[ConSpiracy]

Finally, why would the cult leaders specifically have a role PM of someone who is unrecruitable?

Why would scum have fake-claims in games?

Well, directing the cult-doc kind of leads us into a position where Kinetic knows who is recruitment-protected...

This.