Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[hiphop]

vote Thomith

For he is always scum.

[hiphop]

VOTE: hiphop for having a name that is similar to hiplop.

More like he picked a name similar to mine. I have been playing for 2 years, and ever since he joined this year, people have been calling me hiplop. Even the cow, put hiplop in the player's list of the last game that I joined.

As for Neruz- I am trying to lynch scum, what are you trying to do?

[hiphop]

His stance on the fact that he would rather random vote, then place a real vote.

[hiphop]

Omg, I thought I was playing with hiplop. Thank god it's a different person

Seriously?

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Again i will say, i don't think Neruz is scum because they didn't vote for me, Town usually want to find more than one reason to vote someone so i don't see how this is scummy.

So town wants to vote for someone completely random, because they don't find the guy they think is scummy, scummy enough? To me, the scumtell above is the most scummiest thing said all game. My vote reamins.

[hiphop]

*remains

[hiphop]

So town should vote someone who they don't have many points on. K.

Town should vote for someone who they think is scum. Period.

[hiphop]

sure but i'm not going to believe Neruz is scum for this, as i don't see the reason why Neruz is getting bandwagoned for this reason.

Your blatant defense of him, confirms the fact that you already know his alignment.

[hiphop]

Check my wiki.

P-edit- blatant defense, no. I am refusing to vote for him because i don't agree with the reasons.

It's not just the fact that you won't vote, but the fact that you are trying to convince others not to.

[hiphop]

Your blatant defense of him, confirms the fact that you already know his alignment.

[hiphop]

Your blatant defense of him, confirms the fact

that you already know his alignment.

Stop strawmanning and pay attention to the bolded.

[hiphop]

Town

Sometimes

don't vote a suspect if they feel the reasons for suspected them are not good enough for a vote, thus not voting them.

This only happens if there is not anyone scummier, which there is not.

[hiphop]

completely messed that line up.

EBWOP-This only happens if there is someone scummier, which there is not.

[hiphop]

Not always? If town don't think their case is strong enough on someone then they don't vote. Why are we argueing about this again?

Because you seem to not get the idea of voting someone who is scummy has a better chance of being scum, then someone who is completely random. Or is that not the purpose of the game? Obviously he is fence sitting waiting for others to pick up the pieces so he can tag along.

Your right, I am done arguing with you. There is no use arguing with scum, when people ought to see it by now.

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The person who I dislike the most, though, is Voidedmafia. Like Thomith, he has the same need to justify his actions during RVS. After attacking Neruz for the same thing in 3 different posts, he agrees with Thomith and Rainbowdash about Thomith and then finally places an overdue vote on Neruz before switching it to Thomith for no reasons besides sheeping other people. Notice when he places both of these votes is at a time when it looks like they could take off. Which leads me to believe that Neruz and Thomith would both be town if Voided flips scum because at that point it would be clear he was attempting to push mislynches off the ground.

vote: Voidedmafia

I see your point, but I am looking at it more along the lines of Voided fence-sitting on Neruz, but bussing on Thomith. For if you look, I started to push Thomith before he voted for Neruz. Almost like he wanted to keep the Neruz wagon going, but it wasn't until after Wierd changed his vote, to follow me, did he switch, which looks like a bus.

On a side note, Rainbowdash and GreyIce are starting to scare me with their fantasies.

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predit: Hiphop, you're assuming that Thomith is scum, which is all well and good, but I'm not sure I agree with.

You said if voided flips scum, then Thomith and neruz are cleared. But what if Thomith flips scum, does that make Voided clear to you? The above indicates not. So if Voided and Thomith are both scum, and Thomith flips before Voided, then Voided is possilbe scum, but if Voided flips before Thomith, then Thomith is town? How does that make sense? More then likely they are both scum. Or am I missing something?

[hiphop]

I see zero way to call what was posted by Thomith a scum slip, at all. If he is town, its defending a town read, which everypony should be willing to do when town reads come under attack. I see this as town defending a town read instead of scum trying to get a wagon off a partner or buy town credit. The rest is just me saying that everypony probably has been in the situation like Thomith where they have a town read on somepony who most

people

think is scummy, and hopefully defended it.

Please clarify the term "people".

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Considering we supposidly have three Cults in play, i wouldn't be surprised if Thomith and Voided both turn out to be Cult Leaders.

You know I was going to bring this up, but it kept slipping my mind

GreyICE- Your flavor lacks cults, please remedy this enigma soon, Thanks.

[hiphop]

Town defends town tons, in every game town will defend town to varying degrees

depending on strength of reads.

The bolded says it all. I considerably doubt that Thomith could have a strong read on Neruz at that stage of the game, which would lead to him knowing his alignment, A.k.a Scum.

Grey would it be ok if I quoted your advertisement in thread?

[hiphop]

Town defends town tons, in every game town will defend town to varying degrees

depending on strength of reads.

The bolded says it all. I considerably doubt that Thomith could have a strong read on Neruz at that stage of the game, which would lead to him knowing his alignment, A.k.a Scum.

[hiphop]

I don't understand the above.

[hiphop]

Well you need to watch more MLP:FiM then. That is fan named Derpy Hooves which orginiated from animation error with the eyes all screwed up like that. Now that character is included with eyes like that as an animaitors joke quite often.

I knew was forgetting something I was supposed to watch.

Why are you so into what he is doing here while you really seem to take little issue with me already calling

Thomith

and EB

town?

Quote where you said bolded, then tell me you are flailing(facepalm if you would like), and then I would like to know why. I'll get to the middle of your posts later, while you dig for the above.

[hiphop]

Tbh i don't find Neruz scummy for not voting me, it seems like a town instinct to not vote if there is only one or two scumpoints on them but to rather wait untill someone with major scum points pops up.

So town should vote someone who they don't have many points on. K.

Again i will say, i don't think Neruz is scum because they didn't vote for me, Town usually want to find more than one reason to vote someone so i don't see how this is scummy.

Town don't usually vote for no reasoning apart from in RVS, why would town vote for someone who they can't prove are scum? Wouldn't town want to find evidence before actually voting?

There are your fixed quotes. I hate it when people iso someone instead of actually reading what the posts pertain too, which is exactly what you did Rainbow. Obviously he is attempting to state that Neruz is town when there is little to go on, which results with him scum defending a townie. Even you state to Thomith.

Town usually will vote for somepony with little to no reasoning. What type of poines have you been playing with?

And, the fact that you now flip your view is disturbing. There is no reason as to why Thomith defended Neruz, if he wasn't scum, and didn't know his alignment.
And here you say

When Thomith is making very few attempts to push action elsewhere in the game, attempts to detract from the other existing wagon, even in early game, is something to look at.

Which should show you that Thomith is more likely scum, not knowing where to look to find other scum. But apparently not. And then there is this

Thomith is a bit of a town read still, this whole attack on him is harping on an at best null tell.

Calling Thomith town because 4 people are pushing for his lynch, really? First, ever heard of bussing, A.k.a Voided. Second, there are more townies then scum(more than 4 townies), or does your role state otherwise? I really do not see how you cannot label Thomith as scum.

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Example 1--->My very first game as scum. I defended a townie day 1, for the simple fact that a bandwagon was put on him for the sake of bandwagoning. Absolutely no case. The bandwagon was started by Hoopla for the very sake of catching scum attacking it. I was lynched day 1.
Example 2--->GreyICE(the lone scum) defended me, when every single townie left voted me and I was lynched.
Example 3--->Every single townie said that Thomas was scum at one point, but not Thomith(scum). He fought against the lynch until Thomas was lynched.

[hiphop]

Neruz, the whole pm thing was a joke, get over it.

[hiphop]

A scumtell is a scumtell.

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@ most people on my wagon, you are looking at all my actions from a scum perspective, now can you honestly say that there is no way there can not be a town motivation behind them?

There is no town motivation behind your posts.

[hiphop]

i defended against the wagon because i didn't agree with the reasons.

When have you ever seen a strong case on D1? While you look I will get some popcorn, because it will be awhile.

I am dreading time when Parama arrives. Most likely he will make a huge wall, about nearly every single post, completely not making any sense. And I will ask for a tr:dr version, in which he will respond with another wall bigger than the first. Hopefully the above doesn't happen.

[hiphop]

i think the wagon is scum motivated by the

sheep following it for no reasons of their own

. For this reason
UNVOTE: VOTE: Voided

Thank you for providing another reason as to why you are scum(the bolded). And bussing noted.

[hiphop]

I actually have original points against Neruz, not Thomith, sorry. So, you'd be right in that I'd be sheepvoting...IF I only used other's reasoning and didn't build off it iwith my own, which I clearly didn't do when I voted you.

You are having regrets? Why? If you truly were town, why would you do something, that you regret later?

Hiphop - is this true?

Absolutely not. He is clearly strawmanning. I have named countless examples of why he is scum. Every single posts seems to bleed scumminess.

Post #124, and #126 are forms of buddying. And #132 and #136 are fence sitting.

Voided's latest post seems a bit town. Guys I think we're all headed in the wrong direction. Thomith, Neruz, and Voided are all town. I need everyone on this player list to start posting so I can calibrate.

Explain

Rainbowdash-I tried to defend against someone who I thought was townie way back in Newbie 845. Right before I played in my first scum game. I defended scum day 1, because I thought that with everyone pushing the wagon, that it might be scum driven. Turns out his partner was bussing, scum was lynch, I was lynched day 2. I intend to never do it again, though I have done it as scum since.

sleuth Can you get an avatar, so that people would reconize you from your picture, instead of reading your name every time?

[hiphop]

I usually do that to people that have a chip on their shoulder.

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I actually have original points against Neruz, not Thomith, sorry. So, you'd be right in that I'd be sheepvoting...

IF I only used other's reasoning and didn't build off it iwith my own, which I clearly didn't do when I voted you.

You are having regrets? Why? If you truly were town, why would you do something, that you regret later?

...Regrets? Where do you get regret from?

The bolded. It is like you are sorry that people suspect you, because of the bolded. It is like you are scum, sorry that you may be lynched, because of the bolded. I very much doubt that voided-town would feel that way.

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I actually have original points against Neruz, not Thomith, sorry. So, you'd be right in that I'd be sheepvoting...

IF I only used other's reasoning and didn't build off it iwith my own, which I clearly didn't do when I voted you.

Ok, now you have lost me. Doesn't the bolded say that you also believe it was a sheep.

And doesn't the top paragraph of post #146 indicate that it was a sheep also. Or is there something I am missing?

[hiphop]

That is a very poor reason to never defend another pony again. At times will it bite you? Sure, but anypony who is competent can usually still get out of a lynch if they are town given defense mannerisms, and if you are good at reading town, its rare that you hardcore defend scum to start. As the element of loyalty I should know a few things about putting friends first, not like its possible to ever win this game without a town read.

There is a difference between 2 pages in and day 3. Hence Thomith=Scum.

Voided-So, it was sarcasm?

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deselby-I am saying what he did was done by scum. And if meta supports it, then so be it. If you don't believe that I am not using meta to say he is scum, iso me and make up your own mind, don't use me to do your dirty work. Also the second post that you quoted is buddying to an extreme.

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I am know I am a little late but voided's unvote after being called out for sheeping is a scumtell.

Voided- perhaps you can help my confusion by telling me who this post was directed at.

[hiphop]

I have only skimmed so far since I got home, but something caught my eye.

Do you really expect somepony who is going down as scum to

softclaim VT

and say you can put me back at L-1?

Where did you see the bolded? If the bolded is true, I have some serious re-reading to do. For now

unvote

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I am not sure if the above is scum not sure which direction to go, or town, not sure who to believe. I believe it is the latter, because I, as town, get paranoid the closer we get to lylo, especially when 2 scum are dead already. Yet as scum, I just don't. Though getting paranoid this early...I believe he should be town.

[hiphop]

I really want an answer to #214, because I can't find it.

[hiphop]

That seems more like scum giving up.

[hiphop]

I disagree

vote Thomith

As i said it looks more like scum giving up

Back to catching up.

[hiphop]

Want a link?

[hiphop]

ok, give me a sec to find the game.

[hiphop]

mini 1174--> In this game I was scum. It was a weird sort of game where there were 3 groups of townies, and 1 scum team. When someone dies(scum or town), their group(red, yellow, blue, or colorless) get more powers. At the end of day 2, no townies were dead, so townies had no powers. In which case I claimed a fake color, said who I thought was scum, and said that whoever got a power from my lynch should check out hiplop. The next post a townie(that was the main reason I was at L-1, and up to that point had advocated for my lynch) voted hiplop saying he didn't think scum would do what I just did. I then asked him if he spelled it right, and he said yes. He then votes me 5 hours later saying if I am not lynch I would be the point of contention from there on out.

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Also the second post that you quoted is buddying to an extreme.

how?

The fact that he was complaining to you, over something that wasn't even true. Almost like he knew you were town, knowing that you as town might do something to stop me from attacking him. And he even admits it later

as beck alluded to, why are you certain that hiphops attack is based on a previous game, when this kind of attack is common?

I'm not anymore, to begin with i thought that because my play as scum was to defend a town players i instantly without thinking thought it was because of the game he modded, reading back i now relise it is a common attack.

hiphop, do you have any decent reads oither than thom and vm? Also see this post from earlier:

So far.

Thomith and Void are scum.

You and Neruz are town on the condition that Thomith flips scum, if not Neruz is scum.

Beck and Evil Bullet(don't believe me, read this) are most likely town.

As i said it looks more like scum giving up

You are going to have to provide a way to distinguish between VT softclaim and scum giving up then, since it seems that you are basis this on a "Because I said so" type of arguement as opposed to something that can be applied to different scenarios and achieve a constantly similar result.

When he is scum... And I have never ever seen a Vt softclaim. Tell you what, if Thomith flips town today(highly unlikely), I will self vote up to the lynch tomorrow, unless you say otherwise. (because obviously if he doesn't flip scum, my reads in this game are pathetic) If you die tonight, then I will leave the decision up to Evil Bullet or Beck.

[hiphop]

GreyICE- cloudocean needs a prod

[hiphop]

mini 1174--> In this game I was scum. It was a weird sort of game where there were 3 groups of townies, and 1 scum team. When someone dies(scum or town), their group(red, yellow, blue, or colorless) get more powers. At the end of day 2, no townies were dead, so townies had no powers. In which case I claimed a fake color, said who I thought was scum, and said that whoever got a power from my lynch should check out hiplop. The next post a townie(that was the main reason I was at L-1, and up to that point had advocated for my lynch) voted hiplop saying he didn't think scum would do what I just did. I then asked him if he spelled it right, and he said yes. He then votes me 5 hours later saying if I am not lynch I would be the point of contention from there on out.

Thing is in this example scum got powers if you died, in this game it doesn't seem like you do, in the example giving up sort of helped your faction but (as scum) in this game giving up hinders it.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Hiphop
Even you should know the difference between the example and the game.

^opportunistic vote.

If you had read the game you would have seen that scum was lynched day 1, therefore scum already had a killing power. Me dying as the second scum, would also have(and did) put the other scum in a hole, especially without a single townie dying at this point. Town went onto to a perfect game. Another scumtell in the books.

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Oi GreyICE, where's that votecount you lazy bum?

He wasn't this inactive in the last game, when he went and creamed me because I was intent on following him instead of being more aggressive.

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Thing is in this example scum got powers if you died, in this game it doesn't seem like you do, in the example giving up sort of helped your faction but (as scum) in this game giving up hinders it.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Hiphop
Even you should know the difference between the example and the game.

hiphop when i flip town don't do what you are saying you are going to do by basically giving up. Keep posting as

I

think you are town

, but when i flip town rethink your reads, who is scummy after my flip, who seems town after my flip, think about those things and town can win, just giving up though lessens the towns thinking power unneeded by 1.

I truly believe these posts conflict with each other.

1. I sincerely doubt you will flip town.
2. If on the small chance you do, I had said that Rainbow, or Beck/EB will decide whether or not I shall.

Neruz- What do you mean you don't understand? As active as he was in the last game, if he doesn't have time to post a vote count, then he must be extremely busy right now.

p-edit- I do not understand you. Why vote, say I am town, then unvote, when your views as to why you voted me in the first place haven't changed?

[hiphop]

thomith is scum, reading now.

[hiphop]

Beck my name is not hiplop.

[hiphop]

Elements of Harmony leaderboard is at the top of the page. That should answer that.

Of course it is wrong to even consider Thomith as a townie.

[hiphop]

Have you been reading, or to be more specific have you been reading Rainbowdash's posts? Iso her.

Oh, fyi the last game(and only at that) town decided to group up and lynch everyone else, the townie asked 2 scum to be in it with him. That turned into a perfect scum win. And Rainbow is doing the exact same thing.

I was at work today, and I remembered someone said something about coaching.

is it me or is Voided's response to rainbow's posts look like he has just been coached? - http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3343099

How? The only way this can happen is if mafia have day talk. Every single game I have ever played on this site, besides one theme game, mafia did not have day talk. I looked it up in the rules, and there is no mention as to whether or not mafia have day talk. And it is a standard that mafia

do not

have day talk. Either A you must have played in a lot of games where mafia had day talk, or B you are scum that knows scum have day talk. Which is it?

Still reading.

[hiphop]

I hate walls, but 3 pages? Ugh.

I voted in the first place because my views made me vote you to prove you wrong, i unvoted because i would prefer to be voting someone who i think is scum than someone i think is town.

So, what is a vote to you? Is it not a tool to lynch people? If so, why would you use a tool to lynch someone on someone who you thought was a townie? Unless of course you wanted to lynch your town read..It would make perfect sense as scum.

Beck and Thomith-OMGUS is not a scumtell. If you believe otherwise, prove to me, why mafia would Omgus someone compared to a townie.

Thomith and Void are scum.

Why am I, again?

Because you usurp other people's reasoning. And when called out on it, you basically said that you didn't really mean to, and unvote. (Like you don't want a confrontation, exactly how Thomith is acting. He votes you, you answer, he unvotes. He votes me, I answer he unvotes. He votes Sleuth, no response, and when he does, beck responds before him, supporting Thomith, so that Thomith doesn't feel any pressure.) When clearly this post, and this post say otherwise.

@ hip - thoughts of weird

He thinks like me, so leaning town.

hiphop, silver seems to like you but I'm not a fan so far. Your cases are bad. Stop. Also just because you had the bad experience outlined in your post 149 doesn't mean everyone else did. And even if we have, I've defended scum in a very recent game but it doesn't haunt me in my sleep like it does you, apparently. I intend to continue defending people I think are town, as should any town player since the game is as much about not lynching town as it is about lynching scum.

Silver led a mis-lynch on me way back when. After that game, I am actually surprise that he is. And it isn't just game, but I have seen scum defend townies game after game, and I think to myself game after game, if only, I had called them out on it. If only I recognize it then, instead after lylo. Maybe my town record would be better. And most of those games, were one scum away.

And I can't even name a single rapper, so what does that tell you?

For the most part, I agree with Alex that Rainbowdash is town, but it strikes me as very odd that she noticed Thomith's "softclaim." It's the kind of thing that townies aren't looking for, but scum are. In this game, mikemike778, a Mafia Goon, was the only one who noticed a Mason softclaim, and he brought it up because he thought everyone else had seen it too.

I disagree with that completely. In this game, town-[Low Key] named all 3 masons day 2, and scum didn't have a clue before then.

^See this is why I have been trying to stay active, but work prevents that.

[hiphop]

Have you been reading, or to be more specific have you been reading Rainbowdash's posts? Iso her.

Rainbowdash looks a lot like town mastin tbh, not quite the same, but many similarities. Despite her pony obsession, she's town. Annoying, but town.

You asked a question here, and I answered it with the quoted above.

EBWOP: Rainbowdash's last post is quite scummy actually, retract my statement about her being town.

I agree, but I still believe she is town. Literally, every single post(except for the last one) screams town. And one cannot and should not ignore that.

Sleuth read the game.

[hiphop]

If he is scum, he won't last til end game.

Let's just agree that thom is scummy, but let him not be lynched d1

This looks like setting up lynches.

[hiphop]

I complain about 3 pages, and you guys write 4. Good going. Reading

In the meantime

I really don't have much against him except for that one quote which he actually is still ignoring and he needs to answer. That is the one about "dirt work" and for deselby is the reason that the two of you are likely not going to be scum together on top of other stuff.

Perhaps if you phrase that into a question, instead of an assertion...

[hiphop]

I believe if you iso Rainbow, you will figure that one out.

Elements of Harmony leaderboard

True Elements (3)

Rainbow Dash
Evil Bullet
Implosion

Switch Deselby with Implosion, or at least iso both, then tell me that Implosion is more town then Deselby.

[hiphop]

tedious tasks.

Evil Bullet- Explain to me why the Sk would make this post. It doesn't happen. Scum make posts like that, sk's do not.

[hiphop]

Ehhh... not sure you are using that saying correctly. Dirty work implies somepony accomplishing something bad usually, not getting work done.

I guess my terms don't fit your picture. My dad raises pigs, so you will just have to live with it.

I also read implosion and deselby. Implosion is still probably town for poking hornet nests, and would require Thomith-town and probably WV-scum to fit as scum, maybe not WV-scum but for sure Thomith-town, which you disagree with so he should be town to you. I see him as town regardless, but those are the scenarios needed to change that read. Deselby has some weird posts regarding third party WHICH THERE IS NONE OF, and is attacking my "one of two" posts in an odd way but essentially is trying to stop me from being able to call certain ponies town in light of others flipping scum, which I dislike quite a bit.

The first part I will have to think on. Though, I believe you may have hit the nail on the head on that one. And as for the second, I wouldn't say he is scum for that, just cautious. Even you were cautious as to who was town and who was scum here. And Eb, when he voted me, said your alliance is bound to have Poison in it. I would say that Deselby is more poking and prodding to see if scum would let him in.

I want implosion to come back here and say something.

Oh? I am sure all of us know what he is going to say, lynch hiphop, and then continue on. Yup, that is exactly what happened.

@hiphop it wasn't him OMGUSing that was scummy, it was him not even reading the thread then deciding to OMGUS that was scummy.

also i voted you then realised that i was being an idiot and unvoted, because i

had you as a town read

. Although

i am not so sure on that read anymore

, but

you are still a town read.

How many contradictions can scum post in a day?

And ok, I see that. Though not sure if it is just a newbie tell. Newbies are hard to read, compared to scum like you.

voided- You clearly, said that Thomith was scummy, and then came back later, and said that you didn't know what you were thinking. And the 2 posts(first 1, second paragraph) I linked clearly show you attacking Thomith/(agreeing with me) because he was scummy. And when people started attacking you, you unvoted. So do not try to weasel your way out of that.

And EB, I am still reading, but according to the votecount me voting Voided, to me voting Thomith makes no difference when they are both scum, and no matter what either or, will be at L-3 according to where my vote is.

And p-edit- Ellibereth, Rainbow started my wagon, and Rainbow grounded my wagon. It is that simple.

[hiphop]

The third rainbow post is where my catching up starts.

[hiphop]

I just came up to the neselby thing, and I disagree with you Rainbow, just because he doesn't want to join your alliance, because he doesn't like your town reads, does not make him scum. In fact, the fact that he doesn't want to join your group, (a sure way for scum to advance in the game), makes him more townie than scum.

[hiphop]

Not my point against him. I was talking about a few pairings where its one or the other as scum, and he responded by pressuring for both to be scum without any reasoning. That just makes me feel like somepony who doesn't want others to ever be labled as town. Now that really only hold true if one of the two (hiphop/Neruz I think?) are scum, but it made me uncomforatable.

Makes sense,

though I would appreciate links, otherwise I am will just have to dig.

Found it, never mind. I will base my opinion later on, when I get a chance to read it in depth

For attacking the alliance, he just said its a bad idea to make one of them. And used a simley face, supplemental tell. He is attacking the alliance because it might have scum in it, while the only pony in the alliance he really has any issue with appear to be EB whos "posts have been pretty good" and maybe Neruz? This appears to be more of an attempt to stop the alliance from actually forming then having a concrete reason that he distrusts the members of it.

The smiley face I believe refers to this. A picture does say a thousand words. And think about it, if everyone else is lynched, and it comes down to you, deselby and Eb. Does he really want to come to that situation, especially when he couldn't do anything before then?

I think you just singlehandedly may have convinced me to put delesby on the death list.

Right now im thinking - VoidedMafia + delesby + Sleuth

You realize that I was trying for the opposite. I really wish you would consider Thomith.

--------------------------Back to reading.

Thomith-Setting up lynches is anti-town. Period.

Eb-I have played 2 games with voided. The game that he was town, he replaced in, but the game that he was scum, he RVS'd. So, I am not seeing the connection. Or are you just making up reasons to join a wagon?

Also, do note that in most games where I haven't participated in RVS (only games I started, since most of my replace games were far enough past RVS for me to not be able to participate), I've been town.

This is just scummy. Giving away meta, makes the meta null, because you recognize the fact that you do this as town, therefore you try to duplicate it as scum. And the fact that this is exactly what is happening makes you even more likely scum(if that is possible), then before.

[hiphop]

Thomith- You have got to be kidding me. Do you not read my posts, a town read, or do you just zone out, because I say you are scum?

I wish voided would skip a few things. Seems to be a lot of noise.

Mind posting a link to the specific post? I'm too lazy to read Low Key's entire ISO.

You are actually going to make me dig it up? The guy has over 500 posts, because of all the triple and quadruple posts, and he lasted till lylo. LK claiming the three masons Day 1, instead of Day 2 like I thought. And he had them figured out by page 5.

Also I noticed that one of the scum said in thread on day 1 she was paranoid, so I take back what I said of Beck being town because of it, because clearly it is not a towntell as I previously thought.

Rainbow, I believe it is a Beck, Thomith, Voided. And on to the next game.

[hiphop]

Rainbow-Your first sentence makes me crack up.

And perhaps. I am going to think it over. Attacking an alliance, vs. not being eager to join an alliance. The latter is certainly town, but if it was the former... I am going to have to wait till the weekend, when I have more time to read into it. I really need to move on till the next game.

[hiphop]

Here, and reading.

RainbowDash-One wall poster is enough.

[hiphop]

OH
YOU'RE THE HIPHOP THAT I DIDN'T GET TO PLAY WITH IN SPY'S GAME
<3<3<3<3
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL NOW.

That's right, I didn't get to play. I was shot night 1, without making a single post, compared to some other people...And I have to count that game as a loss. Furthermore I have never played with any of the scum before.

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Evil Bullet I responded.

And I can't even name a single rapper, so what does that tell you?

I do not listen to hiphop. I just like the username.

Not Thomith. Even with this recent spat of trying to act like a VI, he's still town.

So it is an act? And he isn't scum? And calling something different then what I called it, does not change what it is. Also, I am not quoting your wall. For nothing you said has convinced me, and there is already too much noise coming out of you.

Thomith I have been calling you scum the entire game, and have given reasons on. And I have given reasons as to why Voided is scum. And Beck is no longer in my scum group.

Beck- I suggest you re-read the quoted. I did not say it was done by scum, nor did I say it was scummy for that matter. I said it was anti-town. And it still is.

Page 19-What is this I don't even

OOOOOOOOOOOOH ME SCUMZ.

Is this a claim?

[hiphop]

Rainbow You're not!!!. I had that read wrong.

Post 500-I agree with #1 of this post.

Thomith is behind three people very cleanly though for "dont want to lynch", probably more in that grey area of unsurednessly which would hold people like Parama and Ellibereth who I really just see zero point in lynching.

Thomith would be a great alignment to confirm either way at this point.

[hiphop]

I still want an answer Evil Bullet. I agree with the last bit though. One does not need to look very far to see something that is irrelevant. (refers to post 530)

@hiphop - So does that mean you support or ambivilant or don't like the Thomith wagon, because I know I have been more or less vauge about it.

ambivalent-Having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas about something or someone. New word of the day.

I support the lynch, and haven't stopped, why do you ask? However I would like to know what changed your mind between those 2 posts I quoted.

And Pedit- I don't take notes, and most likely never will. Too tedious for me, for I play this game for fun. Everything I know is off the top of my head.

[hiphop]

Independent reasons. I don't start looking for the team unless it is lylo, or we have killed scum already. Being that everything is based off my thoughts, if I thought person B was scummy because person A was scummy. When person A flips town, I would still be bias against person B. Most likely because I would forget why person B is scummy, but being he is at the top of my list, I would naturally attack him, until I had time to review the game.

[hiphop]

Perhaps, perhaps not. In the last game, town thought I was town for most of the game. Then all of a sudden I was possible scum, based solely off the connections of dead scum. Final scum was lynched. Instantly I was shoved to possible Sk. All because I was possible scum. The mind works in curious ways.

[hiphop]

If thom flipped scum, hip does not increase his position at all IMO

If it helps town, then it helps town, and i can't fight that, as i obviouslt want the best for town, obviously i don't want to be lynched (who does) but if it helps town in the long run then i won't hold grudges against people.

THIS is a scummy post. Like... wow. This is the first post from him where I wasn't like "aw, this guy is just poor misled new town." Like... there's no town motivation for this post you know? It's not like ok that could be scum motivated but I can see bad town saying that. No it's just something scum would say. Frankly, no town player cares about the town more than they care about themself.

Completely untrue. 2 town guys in the same game, voted themselves, and put themselves at L-1, because they said they were playing to their win condition, and their flips would be beneficial.

Silver thinks it's more likely than I do that Thom is scum although we still both agree that there's probably only one scum in Thomith, Neruz, hiphop, and voided.

What I want to know is why can't Voided and Thomith be on the same team?


And Voided, can

shut up

for all I care. I am not responding to those walls.

Text in spoilers is forbidden. Text in spoiler BOXES is not.

[hiphop]

Bolded 2: Because... their interactions... are just not... correct... for that to be... plausible.

Explain.

I should prod the mod, but he said he would be v/la until the 22nd.

[hiphop]

Voided is at L-3, so there is no danger of that happening.

Bolded 2: Because... their interactions... are just not... correct... for that to be... plausible.

Explain.

[hiphop]

What is VCA?

Sorry Rainbow I have been really busy this weekend, so those 2 posts that I said I would get to, will be put off till tomorrow. Which should be ok, since you can still respond to it, since your surgery is not till Tuesday.

And Sleuth-What are you doing?

[hiphop]

Heck I can almost do a Neruz wagon here.

Why would you want to do a Neruz wagon, over a Thomith wagon?

[hiphop]

I would be willing to do a Voided or a Thomith lynch.

So, what does VCA stand for? As in direct translation.

I also believe that any scum that was being voted there, scum was bussing, as all wagons seemed to hit L-3 then stop. As if either scum was already on, or scum did not want to be the ones that put it closer to the lynch. Which would put Sleuth on the outside of that group, but then again he is a newbie...

I don't like the fact that Rainbow is putting her vote in the hands of Ellibreth, who has given no indication that he has read the game, and Implosion, who isn't reading the current game. Especially being that Rainbow has at least 4 votes to use.

[hiphop]

Btw we don't end this day until rainbow verifies she actually can double vote.

Wrong. It is better if Rainbow does not do this, for reasons of blah, blah, blah. Or one of the above.

I intend to hammer, if voided claims VT. If it is a Pr, I will think on it, but Vt for sure.

[hiphop]

Beck shutup.

[hiphop]

Sorry about being rude, but please don't post. Thanks.

[hiphop]

Beck you don't get it. Relax, and don't post.

Rainbow -that works.

[hiphop]

nope

[hiphop]

wait 3 more hours.

[hiphop]

Rainbow will hammer, just relax.

[hiphop]

Someone should unvote, so that Rainbow can double vote. And no, I am not looking for Rainbow to verify his role, but for a different reason. The same reason as to why I wanted it to happen to Voided.

[hiphop]

Rainbow
doesn't
have
a
fucking
double
vote.

Think about it.

[hiphop]

This, then Elli voted Neruz and the sheepers followed.

[hiphop]

Me lurking, is not my fault, he locked the thread, for the whole evening yesterday. Now I have to read 6 freaking pages. And Neruz was lynched. GreyIce missed voided's vote here. So if you guys haven't read the quoted below please do so.

thinking on it, UNVOTE: VOTE: rainbow now is the time for you to fullclaim.
I still FOS EB too but we need to know what we are working with counter claim wise.

Thomith, maybe you missed this announcement:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3350145

Maybe you missed this:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3372840

So I'll be specific. This vote does NOT follow the rules, and is NOT counted.

So please stop making this game more pathetic then it actually is. And yes the Highlighted is GreyICE being GreyICE.

And I totally know what role Rainbow is. Though only because I have played with the role before, and it makes complete sense as to why Rainbow shouldn't claim. And Rainbow should not claim.

[hiphop]

I don't know. Rd is more town then EB, but Eb is still town, VI maybe, but town. It is possible that they both could be in the game, though having them both alive night 2, is where the problem lies.

[hiphop]

I have finished reading, now to just take notes on the second time. Rd has been soft claiming, since the voided wagon, I just never caught on, until last night when the thread was locked and I was waiting forever for the EB flip, and even then I wasn't sure. After reading

Since my role is more effective if I do not claim what it is, I am going to go with this instead.

the above, I am now completely confident that Rd is what she is soft claiming too. Claiming what Rd is soft claiming and having a role such as Eb's, is like claiming gunsmith, when there is a miller. Except that it is more like the miller is only on even nights. Now llama is that believable?

[hiphop]

Forget that. I am too busy in real life, to worry about this game now. And the fact that I have to get up early tomorrow, cuts my night down. However, I should be able to make that post tomorrow, since I get off work early.

And Rainbow, after some thought, I have no idea why you would you soft claim that role. Are you crazy? Literally, I am willing to bet that GI is just as upset at you possibly ruining his balance, as he is about the hiding of votes. Seriously? Whatever. This game is bananas anyways.

[hiphop]

I claim Pr, so I will say what it is last. Got to go and read the last 2 pages.

[hiphop]

I support the fact that Rainbow should not claim her role, if she hasn't already.

[hiphop]

Llama, to help you out, I believe it was I who brought up day talk first. Where I commented to Beck about his comment on Voided being coached. Which I thought he could only refer to day talk, since I didn't see how Voided could be coached without town not knowing about it. I have never heard of an Encryptor before, and didn't know what it was until I looked it up on wiki. I also have never heard of any mini having day talk, though on another forum, that I used to play, scum always had day talk. But a role that actually allows it, instead of scum outright having it, is just weird. I know that incriminates me, but so be it.

Rainbow don't claim. Not today at least.

[hiphop]

As far as I am concerned Rainbow can say she is a Pr, and leave it at that. My role isn't near as powerful as Rainbows. The last time I was in a game with Rainbow's role, that role was lynched. It is best if scum do not know what it is.

[hiphop]

I don't see them as scum.

[hiphop]

I was thinking Thomith and Beck, but now just Thomith. Which reminds me

vote Thomith

And if you stop talking I might be able to post why. I was too lazy last night.

And for your second paragraph, it is possible that they are lynchable, aka what you are trying to do.

[hiphop]

I see no reason, why EB would claim even night, when he had no idea that there was an odd night, unless he was already an even night.

[hiphop]

She got a voided lynch...

[hiphop]

Rainbow soft-claimed a role that is so unique that it isn't even normal. (Yes Rainbow, read the wiki if you haven't already on your role). Except it can be placed into games, based on the one non-normal role. And after the cult thing of it not being normal, I highly doubt that Rainbow would not soft-claim a role that wasn't normal.

[hiphop]

Rainbow your circle is giving me headaches.

[hiphop]

ebwop

Rainbow soft-claimed a role that is so unique that it isn't even normal. (Yes Rainbow, read the wiki if you haven't already on your role). Except it can be placed into games, based on the one non-normal role. And after the cult thing of it not being normal, I highly doubt that Rainbow would soft-claim a role that wasn't normal, unless Rainbow was that role.

[hiphop]

Oh, I know your role. Don't doubt that. In fact if you ever feel like claiming, can I do the honors, if we are both still alive?

[hiphop]

Banshee vote the Vanilla and not the Pr, if that is the case.

[hiphop]

2 words, EB right?

[hiphop]

But both you and Hiphop have good points regarding Thomith. Could be scum bussing a partner, or town getting a bit too defensive, but I'm willing to go out on a limb about it.

Vote: Neruz

Seems to me, that Voided is saying Thomith is scummy. In fact everything in that post was refering to Thomith, yet he votes Neruz. Obviously he wanted to disband the wagon heading Thomith's way. It wasn't until a couple posts later, after a Weird vote does he realize he better be on the wagon, and not off.
And then this, where Thomith is saying Voided is slipping under the radar, but does absolutely nothing about it. Almost like he appears to be scum hunting, but isn't. It wasn't until after Banshee posted this(I highly encourage everyone to read what banshee posted) did he go and switch. Hence if Thomith wasn't scummy enough, a couple more reason with connections to flipped scum. I am also curious as to why after Banshee said what she did in the link, and after Voided flipped scum, Banshee doesn't say anything about Thomith. Banshee is Thomith town or scum?

[hiphop]

Yes, there are a number of reasons that I believe Rainbowdash is more likely to be scum than Evil Bullet. Hence, my vote on her.

I am guessing EB is in your town list right?

[hiphop]

Beck is confirmed town...

[hiphop]

I believe if Neruz wasn't confirmed already that does it.

[hiphop]

Beck is dead. Beck was an odd night vig. Sleuth also died. Therefore it is assumed that Beck shot Sleuth, and scum shot Beck. For Beck did not shoot himself, which would lead to scum knowing that Beck died. Unless, of course, there are game mechanics that just shouldn't be. Which, of course, would lead to you being confirmed town.

[hiphop]

So Rainbow am I right?

[hiphop]

And how long did Voided plant himself on Thomith's wagon? It was less then a day.

[hiphop]

Ok, fine then, I claim watcher. In which case I watched Rainbow last night based on the fact that I know her role, and if scum decided to kill her I would know. Nobody visited Rainbow last night. As I said already Rainbow's role is 2 words beginning with E and B. Banshee claim. Back in 3 hours.

[hiphop]

This post threw me off then. I have never played with a regular bodyguard just an elite. If you were elite and scum had targeted EB they would have died along with you. While if they had just targeted you, they never would have died, while you would have. As stated here. Therefore it was only logical to watch you, so that if scum thought the same thing I did, they would have been caught.

[hiphop]

Whatever a PGO is...

[hiphop]

Nevermind wiki'd it.

[hiphop]

Actually I thought it was weird with a doctor point here, jailkeeper there, and then you said it is best that your role is not revealed, and bells went off in my head. That is when I knew that you were a bodyguard. Then I looked back at my other game where there was a bodyguard and realized he was elite. Skimmed your iso, and saw that post that I linked, and I was like WOW. I am a watcher he is an elite bodyguard, this is nice.

[hiphop]

@hiphop: What is your opinion of Llamarble?

In order of lynching claimed VT's

Thomith
Banshee
Elibereth
Wierd
llamarble
Neruz(Not lynching him for any reason, unless it is proven that he has a degree in acting online.)

Now tell me your reason, as to why you are you are not voting Thomith? It is obvious that he is the scum. Too scummy does not equal town. Plus he has connections with Voided.

And what is this about scum not having a group of 4, my last mini had 4 scum. Perfect win for town.(My only loss as scum ). Voided was one of my scum partners in that game.

[hiphop]

What was that, because he was mistaken or something? And why not elli in my top 3? Neruz is obv town, Weird thinks like me,(well did yesterday anyways) so he is town, and llama has been significantly more helpful than DERP, WHAT WAS THAT? Which makes Elli a null read.

[hiphop]

I have been making a case on Thomith this entire game, yet others once thought I was scum pushing a mis-lynch which put Thomith higher in their town list, only to find they don't think I am scum. However because they once had Thomith as town, therefore he stays near the top and slowly sinks down, while facts about him become mumble jumble. I.e RainbowDash, who thought Thomith had to be town, because Voided was voting him for less than a day(yeah that is so obvious bussing). And that is in his notes, compared to someone like me, who doesn't take notes, who knew that he was wrong. And even after I said he was wrong, he still hasn't settled for a Thomith lynch.

P-edit- It was not nightless but powers were given out by how many people died, and which side did the dying. Therefore it would balance itself out, and it still was a perfect game for town.

[hiphop]

EBWOP

I.e RainbowDash, who thought Thomith had to be town, because Voided was voting him for a long time, which actually was less then a day(yeah that is so obvious bussing).

[hiphop]

For the simple fact that he actually makes sense and I can follow along, compared to someone who has one word sentences. I find that generally people who try and succeed at leading the town, are most likely town, which is exactly what llama is doing at this point.

And finally, did you happen to read page 1-20? Also take into account that I have personally seen and played with Thomith when he was scum twice.

P-edit Rainbow should re-read.

[hiphop]

Wait a minute who are you voting Rainbow?

[hiphop]

WV, after what you just said? Really?

So let me get this right, you thought Thomith was most likely town, because you thought that Voided was voting him for a long time, when it really was WV. Which makes you not wanting to lynch Thomith. Correct? Even though WV is completely unconfirmed? Now how does that make any sense whatsover?
(Talking to Rainbow)
----------------------------------And banshee's P-edit

So rainbow's hiphop is scum, not scum, most likely town, scum- points to llama being what? All over the map. Like I said llama, seems to me, to be leading day 2.

No, I have not played with Thomith town. Being he only has 2 games of 8 as town it makes it kind of hard to see any trend as town. Still the Neruz is town, attempting to derail wagon while having nothing to stand on, has never failed me in finding scum. And the fact that thomith scum has done the exact same thing, but was never called on it confirms what I said above. Too scummy does not equal town. Also how can you say it his playstyle when the game you are taking the information from, is the exact game that his scumminess is called into question? In which case you have no idea if he is town or scum, but based on his play it is obviously the latter.

----------------------------------

and finally llama why not Thomith?

-----------P-edit by Rainbow

So why are you not voting for Thomith then?


That is it, I have got to hit the sack.

[hiphop]

It is, which is why i find neruz scummy, who votes if you don't know if it is a hammer or not, which was neruz's reason (which i don't believe) without a claim, hardly anybody hammers without a claim so why vote in case your vote was the hammer?
Nerus has definately shot up my scum list after this.

That quote from Thomith doesn't sound like scum whos partner just got hammered, infact it sounds like Thomith expected a town flip.

If Thomith really expected a town flip, why would he post this without mentioning Voided once in between? Which shows not only shows that he did not think voided was town, but, unlike what you said, it is scum defending their partner, by attacking the attacker.

[hiphop]

What do you think of Thomith?

[hiphop]

I feel like Seacore in this game, after town's response when he claimed Roleblocker. I cannot argue that this post does not make sense when it does, however I do know my role that GI gave me, but do not know scums' roles to counter it.

I believe that Wv is more town then scum, so I will not put a vote on him, I also believe that EB and Rainbow are more likely town then scum, so IMO scum lie in the vanillas. And one of them is Thomith.

I am curious why nobody has brought up the below

In the event that multiple protective roles target the same player, the bodyguard protection will be consumed after any doctor/Jailkeeper protections, but before any Bulletproof protections.

Which means if Rainbow, EB, and scum target Implosion, nobody dies. I can watch Rainbow, and see if scum try to go around. Of course this wastes EB's roleblocking ability, but I think it is a viable option.

P-edit Didn't you already show that picture?

[hiphop]

Why would ANYONE want to fake the degree of townness Thomith has demonstrated in this game?

I really do not see how you see the above.

Weird -I have never heard of an encryptor before, and had to wiki it, to even know what it was. Also, I do not think I am the most experienced, llama, and Elli have both played more games than I. To answer the question though, no, I don't know if the encryptor role is considered normal. This is only my third(fourth maybe) normal mini, and 6th normal overall.

[hiphop]

Bodyguard

I read it so many times since I realized that Rainbow was a bodyguard(believing she was elite)

It says on the bottom of the first segment

This version of Bodyguard, and only this version of Bodyguard, is considered [[Normal]] on mafiascum.net.

talking about the normal version, which would mean the elite version is non-normal.

However in one of the mini's that I did play, there was an elite bodyguard, and Rainbow's comment that mafia would die with her, made me assume that she was too.

[hiphop]

Implosion-ninja, strongman

my reads have not changed lynching claimed vt's, my view of the pr's

[hiphop]

@Hiphop: Like I said, if I don't have to claim I don't want to, because it will only help the scum.

Since my role is more effective if I do not claim what it is,

Like I said based on the above post, and it's similarity to llamaeatatco, I knew that Rainbow was a bodyguard, before she claimed.

If I am here tomorrow it will surely be 20% cooler. If not. I will have to take one of them with me.

then there is the above, which indicates that Rainbow is an elite bodyguard. So one would think that based on the fact that I knew Rainbow's role, as indicated here, where I put the first 2 letters, and said it was 2 words, but I was vague enough so that others might think I was referring to Evil Bullet. And being that all evidence points to me thinking that RD was an Elite bodyguard, one would think I as scum would not make any sense because obviously I am not stupid enough to not kill RD, instead of taking the chance of targetting someone who Rainbow would target. Therefore killing myself. Just like one would think that Neruz cannot possibly be scum being the fact that he did not know who was killed. Yes there were a couple of pages and being I just mentioned Beck's name, yes I can totally see town being so distracted that even though it was read who died, they didn't catch on. However scum would know who died, being they chose who died. Yet for some reason, the sheepers seemed to follow llama onto Neruz without questioning at all why they were bouncing on a town read. (Yes rainbow incuding you).

Llama really is making me paranoid with these last few posts though.

And you even said the above before you put your tail between your legs and followed. I know I said that I thought llama was town because he was leading the town, but since then I have realized that he is most likely scum who hijacked the town. And being he was the guy that said, let's lynch vt's and keep our Pr's alive, and then comes back and leads a wagon onto one. Bananas. Rainbow should stop leaning off others, and start pushing her own agenda. Perhaps then we can actually get a lynch, instead of all these half filled wagons.

I am heavily leaning a Thomith-llama scum team, while scum could also be banshee and Elli.

Rainbow don't you dare let Llama push a wagon on EB tomorrow, saying, "Well hiphop flipped town, so let's lynch Eb, because he has to be scum." Yeah scum pushing another mis-lynch. Scum lie in the 4 above Rainbow. Trust me on that.

Possible buddies are weirdvoigts and

Thomith.

And that is also bananas. Yes I like to bus as scum, but that would have to be taking bussing to an extreme. Seriously, nobody questions the above, saying it is ludricous besides scum himself? He is putting his own partner as a possible my partner, to create distance. And then there is this gem

Banshee, my point was that we're probably going to lynch hiphop at some point, and if he's town he's not very likely to hand us a scumbag.

"If he is town he is not going to help us", brillant, GI gives me a role for a reason, and llama throws in the above. Yup. that about does it. With him leading the town, instead of a townie stepping up, it more town losing this game, then scum winning it.

Anyways, you guys might as well as go ahead and lynch me now, I lost interest in this game back when the last Thomith wagon failed, and with work picking up it is probably for the best.

[hiphop]

I believe Thomith is more likely scum, then llama, and am not sure why he isn't on one of your "lynch one of these guys", but I am willing to work with you.

unvote
vote llama

Though why is Neruz scum?