Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[Thomith]

Hey grey thanks for giving me my nightmare fuel.

VOTE: Parama because you modded and played in a game before this that i was in. Hiphop you're next.

and also i have on been scum 4 out of 7 games...

[Thomith]

It is? New one on me
(i was saying that hiphop is wrong not claiming >.>)

[Thomith]

"I have been scum 4/7 games..."

Meh, it works.

This post means?

[Thomith]

(i was saying that hiphop is wrong not claiming >.>)

[Thomith]

I "claimed scum" at post 10 is what we are talking about.

[Thomith]

Tbh i don't find Neruz scummy for not voting me, it seems like a town instinct to not vote if there is only one or two scumpoints on them but to rather wait untill someone with major scum points pops up.

[Thomith]

I still want to know why i scored scum points though Neruz.

[Thomith]

As for Neruz- I am trying to lynch scum, what are you trying to do?

what is this an answer to?

[Thomith]

Too jokey makes me nervous? When i get called out for "claiming" when i really was taking a jab back at hiphop for his first post, (i assume this is what you mean by "jokey" as i see no other time when i have been "jokey".)

Again i will say, i don't think Neruz is scum because they didn't vote for me, Town usually want to find more than one reason to vote someone so i don't see how this is scummy.

[Thomith]

Town don't usually vote for no reasoning apart from in RVS, why would town vote for someone who they can't prove are scum? Wouldn't town want to find evidence before actually voting?

[Thomith]

So town should vote someone who they don't have many points on. K.

[Thomith]

sure but i'm not going to believe Neruz is scum for this, as i don't see the reason why Neruz is getting bandwagoned for this reason.

[Thomith]

Check my wiki.

P-edit- blatant defense, no. I am refusing to vote for him because i don't agree with the reasons.

[Thomith]

Well of course i am trying to convince them not to because i don't agree with the reasoning. How is this scummy again?

[Thomith]

This seems like a blatant use of my scumplay in newbie 1126 by buddying to thomas. As scum i buddy not defend. Just saying.

[Thomith]

So you are basically assuming everyone that defends someone is scum. So defending someone who you disagree with getting voted for the case on thim is scummy? Good to know.

[Thomith]

@hip the only way i can answer that is saying i have no way of knowing his allignment what else am i meant to say to that?
Town

Sometimes

don't vote a suspect if they feel the reasons for suspected them are not good enough for a vote, thus not voting them. @ the bv side of the hydra, you are basically assuming i am scum and what the scum motivations of my posts are, without thinking of what the town motivations are.

[Thomith]

Not always? If town don't think their case is strong enough on someone then they don't vote. Why are we argueing about this again?

[Thomith]

when people ought to see it by now.

Ought to see you metaing me for a case? This is your case on me which you can not deny, when i flip town you will look very bad for leading a lynch on me for meta.

So basically hiphop you are using meta against me? You expect to catch scum from meta? Come on hiphop i know you can play better than that.

Again i will say because you obviously can not get it into your skull I am against the Neruz wagon because there is crap logic reasoning behind it.

Bullet has a point about voided, what were your reasons for voting me? Any reasons other than the already stated?


@ most people on my wagon, you are looking at all my actions from a scum perspective, now can you honestly say that there is no way there can not be a town motivation behind them? also weird i have never posted my reads, where did you get those reads from?

[Thomith]

Hiphop you are using meta ONLY. While i agree that meta can be used to see scumtells for a specific player it is never enough to form a case on them.
I don't believe the wagon is town motivated, however i don't think people like hiphop are the scum on it, hiphop of course isn't a town read of mine he is null but i think the wagon is scum motivated by the sheep following it for no reasons of their own. For this reason
UNVOTE: VOTE: Voided

P-edit- so there is no possible way that i could be defending against a towntell of mine from a wagon that i don't agree with. Ok hiphop whatever you say.

[Thomith]

Also about what someone said earlier that i cannot get a towntell this early i just feel Neruz' posts are town, i don't know why but after reading them the majority seem towny, and i defended against the wagon because i didn't agree with the reasons.

[Thomith]

Hmm, must've gotten names wrong.

I actually have original points against Neruz, not Thomith, sorry. So, you'd be right in that I'd be sheepvoting...IF I only used other's reasoning and didn't build off it iwith my own, which I clearly didn't do when I voted you. So, your reason for voting me is baseless until you can think of something better.

Do YOU think i'm scum, if so why?

[Thomith]

How can i defend against meta other than using meta? There is no other way i can see, if i say "you are scum because of (meta reason)" you cannot defend yourself with play in THIS game because you are being labelled scum for annother different game.

It seems like a high possibility that i will get lynched today so i am going to say that hiphop shouldn't be the lynch for tommurrow, if his play still uses meta tommurrow then lynch him but hopefully after my flip he will rethink his scumhunting tactics. You should instead look for people who jump on my wagon for little reason of their own, this could show scum that just want a mislynch so they can start killing.

[Thomith]

he was blatantly using newbie 1126 against me before then, this is why i made that post.

[Thomith]

him attacking me he said something like "he is defending town because he knows neruz's allignment to get town points" which i did in the game he modded so he was blatantly using that game against me.

[Thomith]

Hiphop is using meta against me and using it badly. At this time i find it more of a null tell than a scum tell and find the people who seem to be following him with no reasons of their own the scummy ones, Voided is a prime example of this.
However Hiphop saying "There is no town motivaton behind your posts" seems like he is reaching here, however i don't find it majorly scummy that he is doing this, at this point in time anyway.

[Thomith]

Obviously i know there is town motivation behind my posts, however i don't think he is scum at the moment. At this point i am thinking he is probably town trying to find scum but his reasons for voting me seem flawed, also i am trying to convince him he is wrong, however you don't have to be "in your face" to defend yourself.

[Thomith]

omg hiphop implosion is defending me does that make us obvious scum buddies?

[Thomith]

The only two people who haven't posted are Slueth and Parama. As for who the scum is i think we should look for people who haven't contributed much and seem to be following lead, as this is standard scum play, however not all scum play like it but it is a place to start.

[Thomith]

Hmm, must've gotten names wrong.

I actually have original points against Neruz, not Thomith, sorry. So, you'd be right in that I'd be sheepvoting...IF I only used other's reasoning and didn't build off it iwith my own, which I clearly didn't do when I voted you. So, your reason for voting me is baseless until you can think of something better.

Do YOU think i'm scum, if so why?

[Thomith]

Slueth what play are you talking about when you say "has it been continuing?" ?

[Thomith]

hmm.. looking back slueth and beck who have both posted have added very little to the game.

FOS: Beck and Slueth

however my vote stays on voided for now as voided posted after my question and seemed to ignore it.
I am also looking forward to what Parama will make of this.

[Thomith]

Well... ok then that seems a

little

weird but i won't worry about it now. So i will UNVOTE: . Now i am going to vote one of my FOS' and seeing as beck has made more posts with almost the same amount of content than slueth i am going to VOTE: Beck as i sence a level of active lurking from him.

[Thomith]

Page 7-

1. Why did you vote for void and why did you unvote?

I voted for void for sheeping but when she unvoted and said "oh i didn't have points anyway" i became unsure and unvoted

2. Why did you FOS and vote me right so quickly after rainbow voted me? It looks like blatant sheeping

i voted for you because out of about 5-6 posts you only had about 2 game related posts and the rest seemed like fluff
3. Why did you vote for me over sleuth? You had more posts

4. Did you notice my post where I explained why I was less active and promised more content later?

No, i missed this so i'm sorry.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Slueth no longer FOS beck as i missed the post where he said he was going to be less active.

[quote="deselby]as beck alluded to, why are you certain that hiphops attack is based on a previous game, when this kind of attack is common?[/quote] I'm not anymore, to begin with i thought that because my play as scum was to defend a town players i instantly without thinking thought it was because of the game he modded, reading back i now relise it is a common attack.

[Thomith]

Thomith's Reads-

Town-
deselby

His posts seem to use his own logic and not other peoples, while it is easy to just go with the flow and use others logic to catch scum he has been trying to find his own logic, this just reads town to me.

Evil Bullet

Mostly a gut read here, his posts have been usually using his own logic but this is mainly a gut read.

implosion/ Rainbowdash

They both go completely away from the crowd which scum imo don't want to do as it would bring way too much attention to themselves, so i think they are town

Null leaning Town-
Hiphop

Although of course i find him scummy for starting the wagon on me i honestly don't think scum would lead a wagon on a mislynch on day one, as after the flip they would look scummy as hell.

Voided

I find admitting to mistakes a Town tell for some reason, although i also find sheeping a null tell but voided is leaning town because he seems to use his own logic in his posts.

Null-
Beck

Mainly only a Null read because he has only recently been able to post, maybe when he can start posting actively this will change to a town read

Cloudocean

one post, can't really judge someone off of that

Neruz

I find the sudden jump on me weird but i still feel the early wagon on him was started by bad logic and Could have been scum motivated.

Scum-
Slueth

As someone has stated he comes in literally after i say that 2 people haven't posted yet and then adds little information to the game.

weirdvoigts

Seems to be following hiphop mostly, although this is mainly a gut read.

Unsure-
Parama-

where are you?

[Thomith]

I said i look forward to parama's thoughts because he hasn't posted yet, and i wanted to hear what he thought about it.
I unvoted because town admit their mistakes but scum don't admit their mistakes in fear of them looking scummy for them.
point 4 i already explained i said it because i instantly thought he was using that game against me which he wasn't.

Now i am L-1 and will most likely get lynched today i want to say that you should look for the sheep on my wagon, no matter how scummy he looks after my flip hiphop shouldn't be lynched tommurrow, Beck likely isn't scum either, Slueth is likely scum and should be considered along with the sheep.

[Thomith]

So sorry guys i forgot that voided was on my wagon i was at L-2 not L-1 so dels if you want to revote then you can i guess although i would have hoped you thought hiphop was wrong by now...

[Thomith]

weird is a big scumread of mine because they don't really seem to be using any logic of their own and seem to be using others logic and basically using terribad logic but it seemed like they knew that they were using that logic and trying to force it onto other people.

[Thomith]

So proving someone wrong and then showing someone who accuses you for "claiming" what you were actually doing is overreacting? noted.

[Thomith]

So proving someone wrong and then showing someone who accuses you for "claiming" but you weren't what you were actually doing is overreacting? noted.

Made it more clear as i dont know how clear it was before.

[Thomith]

mini 1174--> In this game I was scum. It was a weird sort of game where there were 3 groups of townies, and 1 scum team. When someone dies(scum or town), their group(red, yellow, blue, or colorless) get more powers. At the end of day 2, no townies were dead, so townies had no powers. In which case I claimed a fake color, said who I thought was scum, and said that whoever got a power from my lynch should check out hiplop. The next post a townie(that was the main reason I was at L-1, and up to that point had advocated for my lynch) voted hiplop saying he didn't think scum would do what I just did. I then asked him if he spelled it right, and he said yes. He then votes me 5 hours later saying if I am not lynch I would be the point of contention from there on out.

Thing is in this example scum got powers if you died, in this game it doesn't seem like you do, in the example giving up sort of helped your faction but (as scum) in this game giving up hinders it.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Hiphop
Even you should know the difference between the example and the game.

[Thomith]

hiphop when i flip town don't do what you are saying you are going to do by basically giving up. Keep posting as

I

think you are town, but when i flip town rethink your reads, who is scummy after my flip, who seems town after my flip, think about those things and town can win, just giving up though lessens the towns thinking power unneeded by 1.

[Thomith]

forgot to UNVOTE: last post as i didn't read the thread but what i say still applies, giving up tehre as scum gave scum powers in this game i don't think it does that. VOTE: slueth

[Thomith]

I voted in the first place because my views made me vote you to prove you wrong, i unvoted because i would prefer to be voting someone who i think is scum than someone i think is town.

[Thomith]

I suspect Slueth not for lurking but when he posted he didn't post any content, parama has definately shot up my suspicion list too as he didn't post any content when he posted but it seems he had a reason where slueth doesn't seem to.

[Thomith]

I can agree i have done some scummy things, but i would like to point out that my wagon is most likely scum motivated, but not by the right leaders like hiphop or beck but by people like weird who are not really focusing on anything else but me, this seems like tunneling scum.

[Thomith]

MOD- you have beck voting twice, for parama and hiphop, and it says beck is getting voted when he isn't

You see nothing. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[Thomith]

nevermind the second bit, you edited it.

[Thomith]

Slueth you OMGUS me without reading the thread? Very scummy, wouldn't you want to see if anyone else is scummy first?
My vote stays.

[Thomith]

This is a stupid freaking post. Someone needs to go into newbie games and stop teaching the new ones to get off that lynch lurkers mentality, IT DOESN'T WORK. Are you actually scum? Cuz your wagon is terrible but it might be getting lucky. I don't wanna believe it but really? You voted Beck? What the hell.

I voted beck because he looked like he was active lurking but i missed the post that he said he was going to be a bit inactive, so i unvoted.

[Thomith]

I thought i had mentioned it, just checked and i hadn't although i did write a post about it but it must have got deleted.

[Thomith]

So tell me. Who's your third buddy?

You are assuming there are 3 scum, where there could be 2 teams of 2 or even 2 scum and a sk. Just saying you cannot assume there are 3 scum.

[Thomith]

adding to what Beck said leaders are only sometimes scum, and obviously shouldn't be assumed that all town leaders are scum.

[Thomith]

Thom, you need to switch to hip really

I am not voting for someone who i don't think is scum, sorry but no.

[Thomith]

I don't think scum would draw as much attention to themselves as hiphop has by leading my wagon, it just doesn't make sence to me.

[Thomith]

since January. What does that matter? Why would mafia draw that much attention to themselves so early on day 1.

[Thomith]

weird read the thread i already answered the question, i am not answering it again.

[Thomith]

about the people who slip on the wagon for little or no reason, i feel this is more scummy than being the ringleader, which is why i find slueth more scummy than hiphop.

p-edit i have already posted it to a response to voided i believe but just for you-

I voted in the first place because my views made me vote you to prove you wrong, i unvoted because i would prefer to be voting someone who i think is scum than someone i think is town.

[Thomith]

@hiphop it wasn't him OMGUSing that was scummy, it was him not even reading the thread then deciding to OMGUS that was scummy.
also i voted you then realised that i was being an idiot and unvoted, because i had you as a town read. Although i am not so sure on that read anymore, but you are still a town read.

[Thomith]

Hi
Who's scum.

Slueth. Seriously though read the thread and make your own mind up, don't let others decide for you.

[Thomith]

First at beck

so you think people who like you are town,

he said people who think like him are town, this still isn't a towntell though.

Also this is not using meta against people it is to show that you shouldn't be assuming some things you are (@ hiphop)
Newbie 1085 J set up lynches most of the game, ended up J was town, setting up lynches isn't a scumtell.
Mini 1190 Scum had day talk so it shouldn't be assumed scum don't have day talk, however it shouldn't be assumed they do either.

[Thomith]

Why is hip the largest wagon.

assumingly because he made a case on me which others think is scummy, i however don't know why people think he is scum because i don't see scum motivation behind creating a mislynch wagon day 1.

[Thomith]

i don't see scum motivation behind creating a mislynch wagon day 1.

wut

I don't see why scum would draw so much attention to themselves by creating a mislynch wagon day 1.

[Thomith]

Ok let me show an example (i am not saying hiphop is scum).
hiphop is scum, he leads a wagon on me and i flip town, hiphop instantly looks scummy because he focused on me the whole day.
Why would scum draw this attention to themselves on day 1?

[Thomith]

[quote="ellibereth]and why aren't you attacking me for voting Voided?[/quote]
Why would i be?
also you miss my point, he has basically focused only on me, yes i have done some scummy things which he could use as a defense but i don't see why scum would be so strong in only focusing on one person the whole time unless it is a bus, which obviously i know it isn't.

[Thomith]

...
whatever i still think he is town. Also what is your theory?

[Thomith]

Also what is your theory?

[Thomith]

Thomith's "because he wrote a case on me" is shit.

I said he is town because he seems to be focusing souly on me, not because he wrote a case on me.

[Thomith]

You are really voting people who refuse to vote in RVS now?

[Thomith]

Null leaning Town-
Hiphop

Although of course i find him scummy for starting the wagon on me i honestly don't think scum would lead a wagon on a mislynch on day one, as after the flip they would look scummy as hell.

Voided

I find admitting to mistakes a Town tell for some reason, although i also find sheeping a null tell but voided is leaning town because he seems to use his own logic in his posts.

Although it is more of a null read now.

[Thomith]

Wait, what did he apologize for?

voting me with no reason

[Thomith]

And for the record, I don't care if you RVS'd or not, that alone is never enough to lynch somebody

But this seems to be the lone reason of the voided wagon, i don't see how it is stable.

[Thomith]

It is what most people are saying what they find Voided scummy for.

[Thomith]

How many contradictions can scum post in a day?

I said had instead of have... such a massive contradiction right?

Rainbow, I believe it is a Beck, Thomith, Voided. And on to the next game.

Give a case at how all 3 of us are connected in a scummy way, convince people, don't just say "oh yeah these guys are scum" and don't explain it, give us a chance to defend ourselves, which we can't do if you don't tell us why we are connected.

[Thomith]

You would like to call me out on hypocrisy, wouldn't you?

What is this supposed to mean?

[Thomith]

mainly thomith
with a side of a wall
with a loft portion of game state.
and a sprinkling of everyone else.

lovely now wanna add something other than "this is hilarious"?

[Thomith]

Unvote, Vote Thom

Vote Voided

what in a minute changed your mind?

[Thomith]

Because i don't think you are at this point in time, why do you want me to call you scum?

[Thomith]

I've been trying to bait you to for the last few pages.
And it would be

an excuse to vote you.

You calling me town could be too though.
hmmmmmmmmmmm

explain the bolded.

[Thomith]

why do you want an excuse to vote me, if you want to vote me make a case, don't try to get an excuse.
it makes me suspicious of you yes, but i still think slueth is a better choice.

[Thomith]

1- why?
2- no i just thought you were being stubborn and stupid.

[Thomith]

How experienced do you think I am this game?

You join date says very, your play ... not so much

How often do you think I lied in the last 3 pages?

knowing your funfunfun baiting probably at least half of your posts were lies

[Thomith]

That you take the game seriously, but not as seriously as some other people, and seemingly try to be funny at least once in those games, although that is just from quickly scanning your ISO from 3 other games.

[Thomith]

You made it obvious what you were trying to do, so i just ignored it. From the post where you decided not to add anything to the discussion it was obvious you were trying to get something out of me, so tbh i didn't even bother thinking you were scum from it as it seemed like a gambit. Looks like i was right.

[Thomith]

I found it scummy you wanted an excuse even though i thought it was possible it was a gambit, i found it weird that you were saying it.

[Thomith]

i thought it was possible but didn't think he was scum, nice try trying to find contradictions in that though.

[Thomith]

You can find their actions scummy without thinking they are scum.

[Thomith]

i was originally attacking slueth for making 2 non content posts, and continued voting him because he seemingly OMGUSed me and is pushing my wagon without reading the thread.

[Thomith]

He's pushing your wagon with 5 posts?

Yeah he's doing a great job pushing.

at least 2 of those posts are trying to get me lynched, and he hasn't even read the thread which is why i find him scummy.

[Thomith]

Make that 3 posts.

[Thomith]

i only find slueth scummy because he didnt read the thread, if he read the thread then i wouldn't care. Fine i'll listen hiphop could be scum because not all town push their reads the hardest, i still suspect slueth more though.

[Thomith]

Of course i believe what i am saying now, because reading what people said about me thinking hiphop was town for sh** reasons i don't know what read i have on him anymore, however slueth is still scummy for pushing a lynch on someone when he hasn't read the thread, or added anything really of use.

[Thomith]

like elli said most of it was her fucking me around which apparently has stopped so it shouldnt grow too much per day now.

[Thomith]

hiphop i asked why we were scum TOGETHER not why we are scum, so why are me and voided scum together?

[Thomith]

but surely if you find person B scummy because Person A is scummy but Person A is town you would instantly have doubts on person B being scummy?

[Thomith]

Then the town weren't thinking all that good in that game because sk and mafia usually don't know each other, unless there is a rolecop and even then sk wouldn't know scum. Sometimes i think you should look for the person most distant to the mafia after they flip, as usually non-newbie mafia know better than to buddy to each other.

[Thomith]

Oh i didn't know the sk could contact the mafia so ok, but you shouldn't assume the most distant to the scum are town, as smart scum distance, not buddy.

[Thomith]

That is a lie but not all lies are made by scum, i know this seems stupid but town lie sometimes to, although it is a lot less often than scum.

[Thomith]

On the note of lying, i find admitting to some lies a small town tell, if its something like a claimt then no, but if it is a gambit type lie that they later admit to i find it sort of towny, or if they admit to sheeping with no reason even though they act like they do kind of like voided did i get a small town vibe from it, which is one of the reasons i don't think void is scum.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: i guess he IS inactive but i find it annoying that he is voting me for no real reason at all as he hasn't read the thread, and he is just an inactive newb :/

[Thomith]

Everyone should stop trying to use associative tells without a flip.

[Thomith]

If it helps town, then it helps town, and i can't fight that, as i obviouslt want the best for town, obviously i don't want to be lynched (who does) but if it helps town in the long run then i won't hold grudges against people.

[Thomith]

True one though.

[Thomith]

It will render the VCA essentially useless

Why would it do that?

[Thomith]

but most likely there is scum on my wagon, most likely people who give no reason are said scum, although i don't see how using VCA only is a bad idea anyway.

[Thomith]

... what was bad in that post, VCA is bad on it's own and there is likely scum on my wagon.

[Thomith]

Can we not assume the setup >.> you are assuming there is a vig when there might not be.

[Thomith]

VOTE: Weird as they are my seconds strogest scum read who isn't lurking.
@ Beck, he has said that the vig should shoot me tonight which seems like assuming to me.

[Thomith]

i wouldnt hammer that quickly, im not that stupid.

[Thomith]

checked through the thread quickly and voided is at L-2
p-edit or i don't know because apparently it is L-1 ill recheck i guess...

[Thomith]

beck wasnt it obvious that that was a reaction test >.>

[Thomith]

beck wasnt it obvious that that was a reaction test >.>

No it wasn't

Then how come i noticed?

[Thomith]

@Elli about where his vote is vs what he seems to think, i find it weird, very weird he is doing it, i don't know for sure if it is scummy though.

[Thomith]

Most of them are bad. best one is probably Newbie1085 which i have linked once and cba to find the link again (sorry)

[Thomith]

For one thing, a scumflip from Thomith makes hiphop pretty clear town.

And when i flip town?

Voided is at L-3, so there is no danger of that happening.

Who unvoted?

[Thomith]

did somepony say parasprite?

This is the most vile form of buddying.

Or it's somebody who wanted to make a joke.

All posts lean in a certain direction. Even the ones that aren't intentionally serious.

This seems like you are taking some things a little too seriously EB.

[Thomith]

but really don't know where to go if that read is going to change on me.

If you don't mind can you rephrase this? Thanks.

[Thomith]

*sigh* it worked in my large theme lets hope it works here. UNVOTE: VOTE: Delselby i have a feeling in my gut rainbow is town, and in this game looks like my reads are all over the shop so i might as well sheep.

[Thomith]

Rainbows VCA, (post 653) although i don't know if it is properly VCA.

[Thomith]

@weird You never answered my question, how will hiphop look when i flip town?

...

VOTE: Deselby

UNVOTE: VOTE: Slueth

What are your reasons on doing this. Explain every one.

What is VCA?

Vote Count Analysis (i can't spell)

[Thomith]

Some of us had a reason other than sheeping to vote dels. I wanted to see how the people who were told they could get free passes reacted, i was originally going to vote the person who was against it, as it could be that they were trying to look town but the way slueth jumped on the wagon was just horrible.

[Thomith]

how many votes does voided have? I might switch when slueth explains his reasons for jumping on the dels wagon for no reasons.

[Thomith]

how many votes does voided have?

Really, i don't want to accidentially hammer.
Also doing this

"...
VOTE: PLAYER"
is not scummy in the slightest?

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Voided Sure seeing as at least this makes a little more sense than the dels wagon. (before you ask i already explained my reasons for joining it, it wasn't to lynch dels)

Although i still want an answer from slueth. Oh and slueth don't use Elli's answer, use the reason why you voted and if it was a sheep the reason why you sheeped.

[Thomith]

Don't replace out for mislynching >.>. You answered the question i asked you anyway.
Another question, who do you think is scum? If nobody who do you find scummiest?

[Thomith]

Plus, the 'you get free passes D2 if you sheep me' doesn't sound very good, as them sheeping does not make them town.

Thus the only reason i went on the wagon to see how the people who were getting given passes reacted. I expect that scum would stay away to look town but slueths reaction was just horrible. This is why i find him scummy, although i doubt his lynch is happening today.

[Thomith]

You haven't made a noticeable attempt to make this game fun for yourself.

How is this scummy "oh you don't seem to be having fun so you must be scum"

Looking back i prefered my vote on slueth better, at least he doesn't seem to be adding anything to the game when he posts, only afew posts are of content and i still find him voting for people for no reasons scummy.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Slueth i prefer this vote, although if deadline calls i will switch back.

[Thomith]

This is intention to hammer. Claim.

Voided isn't L-1, i unvoted.

[Thomith]

I will double vote you for the lynch.

Did you really just claim double voter or am i overthinking this statement?

[Thomith]

Rainbow has already laid a vote down. Although seeing the unwillingness to claim makes me think voided either doesn't have a power or is scum, as usually they are the ones who refuse to claim.

[Thomith]

But town power roles usually don't take the risk of getting hammered. Even in this situation they would claim to try and save the town a power role.

Yes i will, i dont buy this claiming crap.

[Thomith]

VOTE: voided
(but my logic is that town powers wouldn't take the risk of getting hammered, but meh.)

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: VOTE: voided
(forgot to unvote)

[Thomith]

You just gave RD a reason even if that wasn't the reason. Surely there is a possibility RD might be scum and can't explain the reason and you just gave her a reason to use.

[Thomith]

If RD was scum she might not have thought of it. meh maybe i am thinking too simple. Guess it's what newbie games do to you...

[Thomith]

I'm not sure if RD and Elli realize this is my lynch. Arguing over who has the power when I obviously do, for today at least.

Does it really matter who's lynch it is? Also you say you have the power but then don't push a claim out of VM, which if it is "your lynch" then you would be.

oh and EB, answer this:

You haven't made a noticeable attempt to make this game fun for yourself.

How is this scummy "oh you don't seem to be having fun so you must be scum"

[Thomith]

@mod- you have voided voting himself which i don't think he is and slueth voting me when he is voting voided, and you have me voting twice.

@ neruz we need to know who the double voter is early, as it could hinder us later if we have an unconfirmed double voter as it will just provide wifom which will distract town.

[Thomith]

if your not sure why vote in case it is

(spoilers it was >.>)

I and probably others would have liked RD to prove that they were a double voter and you just denied us that information, how very towny of you.

[Thomith]

Neruz do you often hammer without a claim? why did you hammer when many people told everyone not to hammer yet?

[Thomith]

It is, which is why i find neruz scummy, who votes if you don't know if it is a hammer or not, which was neruz's reason (which i don't believe) without a claim, hardly anybody hammers without a claim so why vote in case your vote was the hammer?
Nerus has definately shot up my scum list after this.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Neruz
Although it wasn't a hammer you made it pretty damn obvious you thought it was, also not everyone that says people are scum are bussing, even if they are calling others scum for the smallest things.

[Thomith]

I agree, RD should confirm the double voting they claim to have before day end or i will probably vote RD next game day.

[Thomith]

If it is fake RD is lying, and unless RD has some super mega awesome reason as to why i will be voting RD if the double voting claim is not real. Plus if it is real it is better for it to be confirmed sooner than later.

[Thomith]

ughThomith...
why would it matter if she was lying????

Cause lying = death

Well not all lying, the stunt that elli pulled on me could be classed as lying but i only find lying scummy if it is fake claim lying.

[Thomith]

so she knows she's going to get caught in a lie if she seriously claims it.

Looked like a serious claim to me.

[Thomith]

Neruz is now at L-1 before voting at least allow a claim before hammering. Also the DV thing at the time seemed serious but it could be a reaction test from RD although i still stand by that at the time it seemed serious and i believe it was serious.

[Thomith]

So we learned that Neruz Said they would let voided claim and didn't although luckily the hammer was not a hammer, oh the irony Neruz, now explain why you seemingly hammered without letting voided claim?

[Thomith]

As long as you prove your double voting capabilities today or early tommurrow i could care less. If you can't prove it i want a good reason why not.

[Thomith]

Rainbow
doesn't
have
a
fucking
double
vote.

Think about it.

This means? We already know the double vote was a gambit, although i am more wary of RD now, i don't think RD is scum at this point.

unvote Vote: Neruz
Idk why this wagon happened. Someone explain before thread lock.

Your kidding right? >.>

oh and EB you hammered it is your fault for hammering not anyone elses, so don't start.

if Neruz flips scum then EB is likely a partner, if Neruz flips town EB is probably just an idiot but still scummy.

That was 100% a fully aware hammer of one of my town reads.

oh and it is definately not scummy to hammer a town read. mhm well done.

[Thomith]

EB seems to be trying too hard to make people who are annoyed by the hammer look scummy, although at least 4 people are annoyed by him hammering a town read for no reason, blaiming it on others and then saying people who call him out on it is scum.

[Thomith]

There is no reason to hammer a town read. EB can't explain why he hammered a town read either. Actually EB if you can answer why you hammered a town read it might help out your case.

[Thomith]

Why would lynching voided would give us no information but lynching you does? Don't we get information either way?

[Thomith]

nevermind i am bad at scim reading apparrently.

[Thomith]

...
...
...
Wow.
UNVOTE: VOTE: EB
This was an obvious intentional hammer, and i fail to see any town motivation behind it, so what is your defense EB?

[Thomith]

I love how elli unvoted both times where there was an error.

on a different note,

You're bad at mafia in general.

Was uncalled for.

[Thomith]

Imo we should keep an eye on neruz although after the (second) fake hammer i think neruz is likely town.

[Thomith]

what's wrong beck?

[Thomith]

Like last time no quick hammers please, as we don't need to deal with a third quick hammer attempt.

[Thomith]

EB tried to hammer Neruz. He basically seemed like he wanted to hammer a town read which is a scummy thing to do. Don't take offense but i am going to ask have you read any of the thread? Why are your town reads town reads as you didn't answer this before either?

[Thomith]

Explain why they are scum please. Also explain why you wanted to hammer a town read?

[Thomith]

If he would have been hammered anyway why would you need to hammer? Also your "points to prove" could have been proved by a different person hammering so you didn't need to prove anything by hammering.

[Thomith]

I didn't care to overthink it.

That's not overthinking things that's just common sense.

[Thomith]

yay for claims at L-2 when you should claim at L-1.
On the claim EB didnt say "Town even night Jailkeeper" which scum usually do to look town although i don't know if that means much.
Vote stays for now, might change though.

[Thomith]

While i don't understand the logic behind claiming at L-2 or trying to hammer a town read i don't think lynching a PR claim day 1 is smart, unless you can prove me wrong. UNVOTE: VOTE: Neruz beck has a point, you did try to hammer too, even if it wasn't a town read you still would have denied us information of a claim before the hammer.
Back at L-1.

[Thomith]

is that L-2? i lost count, frankly i trust you more than EB but i don't want to hammer right now.

[Thomith]

yes it is L-2 beck unvoted UNVOTE: VOTE: EB If this is an accidental hammer i am sorry.

[Thomith]

i don't think he has been hammered, by my count he is at L-1.

ninja'd by beck.

[Thomith]

he has claimed, so unless anyone objects i can't see anything.

[Thomith]

RD's DV claim was a gambit, nothing more nothing less.

[Thomith]

I am wary of RD, i have been ever since the DV claim, however i definately trust RD over EB.

[Thomith]

they're more accurate than yours.

How could you know this at this point in time?
this just reads to me as slipslipslipslipslip

lies no hammerz as RD unvoted.

[Thomith]

oh yeah,
VOTE: EB
making sure my previous vote will get counted.

[Thomith]

you're kidding right >.>.
Someone hammer EB, he has claimed, RD basically counters, if he is town RD is most likely scum, and right now RD is more trustworthy.
Oh and let's not make it a fourth hammer that is not a hammer >.>

[Thomith]

EB claimed an Even night JK and RD says the claim doesn't make sense with her role, which to me means one is scum one is town, unless i am being very naive.
And apparently banshee doesn't think hammering a town read is scummy .

Banshee- Null read, obvious trying to scumhunt but i don't see how this isn't scummy.

@beck i semi agree, although i still don't agree with the town hammering, rainbow imo should fullclaim so we can see what we are working with in terms of the cc.

[Thomith]

EBWOP: town "hammering" a town read

[Thomith]

thinking on it, UNVOTE: VOTE: rainbow now is the time for you to fullclaim.
I still FOS EB too but we need to know what we are working with counter claim wise.

Thomith, maybe you missed this announcement:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3350145

Maybe you missed this:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3372840

So I'll be specific. This vote does NOT follow the rules, and is NOT counted.

[Thomith]

What i meant by it was i don't see why town would hammer a town read.

[Thomith]

RD said the role conflicts with EB's and without knowing what it is we don't know if it actually does,
whatever, if EB flips town even night JK then RD will be forced to claim, and now i think giving scum that much information day 1 is a bad idea. UNVOTE: VOTE: EB
L-1.

[Thomith]

I can think of two. if deadline is only hours away, which it wasn't, or to find information which i semi understand but it didn't seem that that was what EB was trying to do.

[Thomith]

I misread what you said, i thought you said somewhere about you didn't find EB scummy for hammering town but on a reread you didn't say that.

I just want to remember this particular quote because I think it's another case of Thomith being a little too knowledgeable about someone's alignment.

Or me mistyping what i meant to say? or is there no chance of this ever happening?

[Thomith]

I thought you said it in the first post after the third mishammer, don't even ask me why i thought it said that but i thought it did, yes it is a big misunderstanding and even i don't understand how i made it.

[Thomith]

But this seems like a twisting of words.

banshee said i know too much on others allignment because of a mistype, but it seems that banshee doesn't think anyone could ever mistype so if EB flips town i am conf scum.

[Thomith]

I don't like the way that not many people are thinking about voided now, i know other things have popped up but it sort of seems it has let voided slip under the radar a little imo.

I don't see how i am misrepping you, yes you didn't say i am conf scum but i am pretty sure if EB does flip town you would be on my case right away for that reason.
I agree that town don't misrep others but scum usually think the person is scum by misrepping then, which i don't think you are scum.

[Thomith]

but if one of EB/RD is scum why would scum sacrifice a member earlier by killing a claim at night when they could save the scum untill the next night if they manage to get the mislynch off?
(this is assuming we don't lynch one today)

[Thomith]

say one of RD or EB is scum, they both say each other are scum because of their role, we lynch someone else letting both live.
Scum would not be likely to kill the person who is not scum between the two, because it will most likely cause the other to get lynched, they will probably kill a random person and try to get the mislynch the next day making the mafia live annother night.
However if we lynch one today and one of them is scum they will not live past night 2.
Am i overthinknig this?

[Thomith]

EBWOP: not live past day 2

[Thomith]

You guys are missing a key point

Which is?

Also imo we should get rid of them before possible lylo, as we don't need them screwing us in lylo if we leave one of them alive and they are town and we lynch them in lylo, or they are scum and we let them live because of WIFOM in lylo.

Banshee also seems pretty town for finding that slip of Thomith's

You say you make typos but think i am scummy for making one?

[Thomith]

Why did you suggest attention be given to VoidedMafia and then not follow up with a vote or discussion about him at all?

Because we have current things that we need to deal with before that. Like the semi counterclaim.

[Thomith]

[qupte"banshee"]Why are you currently contradicting yourself from just a little while ago?[/quote]
I am not. I do think that voided seems to be slipping under the radar but i do feel that current events are more important.

[Thomith]

Ok let me rephrase what i meant as it is obviously not obvious.
Voided was suspected and is now seeming to slip under the radar, after we have dealt with current events i think we need to look at voided although we should be keeping an eye on voided at the current time.

[Thomith]

You said it was a slip, making it seem like you don't think it is a typo.

[Thomith]

You know what, banshee's reasoning for why a PR claim makes sence, and i am going to go on my other reasoning tha voided is slipping under the radar here.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Voided
Although i did say we should handle the situation first my gut is saying both are town, but i still am usure of this, and if one flips town i am unsure how i will feel of the other, although it is hard to tell without knowing what RD actually is.

[Thomith]

maybe there is an even night JK and an odd night JK.
I think there has been multi scums in a mini game before, although it is uncommon but it probably can happen.

[Thomith]

if he knew he wasn't hammered, which clearly everyone did but me, than he goes back up my radar

1) i am pretty sure everyone thought he was hammered, i sure as hell did.

2) even if he knew he wasn't hammered we have no way to prove this.

[Thomith]

I still find it unnerving that everyone is now ignoring you despite thinking you were scum earlier in the day, it just makes me think you could be scum.

[Thomith]

I feel that if EB was to flip town maybe not banshee but maybe others will use that against me and call me out as conf scum because of it.

[Thomith]

Nope.

[Thomith]

Voided because i feel that the way people have been avoiding him lately is very weird and i dislike the way that he is seemingly getting ignored

EB because i still don't really see why town would hammer a town read as it basically gets rid of someone who they really doubt is scum, when you should want to lynch scum.

Slueth because he seems to never read the thread and sheeps the whole time without adding his own reasons to the discussions.

[Thomith]

You were untill this happened, and your actions lately have been quite pro-town except the typo thing.

[Thomith]

What's been pro-town about our recent actions?

To me you seem to be scumhunting more lately than you were before, and my gut has always said you were town but it wasn't a strong enough feeling for me to go with it, but now my gut is saying you are town more than ever.

Slueth

when you get back can you post a scum read of yours and a town read of yours with reasons, thanks.