Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[Voidedmafia]

Look, let's cut to it:

So long as you ignore the fact that I've never said that my Hiphop vote had

no reason behind it at all

, your case on me lying has nothing.

[Beck]

You're ignoring the fact that I'm the one who first pointed out the problem with his "2nd RVS vote", and I also factored that into my vote. So you're wrong here.

believe Implosion and Weird both point that out right after he does it in posts 21 & 22 so YOU are wrong here.

moving on

I can't respond to "huh", what ecatly don't you understand?

I agree that I don't like thom's defense of Neruz, but thom has already proved time and time again he is just a bad player

I guess I mis-understood, so you said you didn't vote for any reason of your own, fine, but it still supports my claim that you vote for little or no good reasons. so I take back the lying claim since it was a mis-understanding. I thought you said you voted for yoru own reason. apologies

as for the link to the coaching, I see where you would get that. It was actually a continuation of my previous post and I was just speaking in generalities of how I think a town player shoudl play, so yeah I see where you would think coaching, but it is more just me explaining my thought process of how a town player should play and I don't see you playing that way. I guess you can call it un-warranted advice, but I wouldn't even call it that.


p.edit - yes I realize that due to me misunderstanding you, you didn't lie.

I still don't like any of your reasons for your votes and I still think you are scum because of them.

[Thomith]

On the note of lying, i find admitting to some lies a small town tell, if its something like a claimt then no, but if it is a gambit type lie that they later admit to i find it sort of towny, or if they admit to sheeping with no reason even though they act like they do kind of like voided did i get a small town vibe from it, which is one of the reasons i don't think void is scum.

[Beck]

Yes you think the person who is going to be prodded for a 2 time is scum

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: i guess he IS inactive but i find it annoying that he is voting me for no real reason at all as he hasn't read the thread, and he is just an inactive newb :/

[weirdvoigts]

Rainbow, I believe it is a Beck, Thomith, Voided. And on to the next game.

Not Thomith. Even with this recent spat of trying to act like a VI, he's still town.

Trying to act like a VI? So you think he's doing it intentionally? If so, what's the town motivation for that?

Please answer this. Also, who are your top scum reads and why?

And I've already said thom isn't a good lynch day 1

Sure, he is. Not only is he my strongest scumread, his flip will also be very informative.

Everyone should stop trying to use associative tells without a flip.

@Rainbowdash: Can you please give me a tl;dr version of the case on Voided?

[weirdvoigts]

-bvoigt

[Thomith]

Everyone should stop trying to use associative tells without a flip.

[Neruz]

Everyone should stop trying to use associative tells without a flip.

You realise that in the context, wierd is suggesting that we flip you.

[Thomith]

If it helps town, then it helps town, and i can't fight that, as i obviouslt want the best for town, obviously i don't want to be lynched (who does) but if it helps town in the long run then i won't hold grudges against people.

[Neruz]

That is a very noncommittal response there.

[Thomith]

True one though.

[Beck]

Thom's flip if he is scum teaches us what?

Thom's flip if he is town teaches us what?

I will tell you one thing thom's lynch will do regardless of his alignment

It will render the VCA essentially useless

[Thomith]

It will render the VCA essentially useless

Why would it do that?

[Beck]

Run along little boy, grown ups talking here.

You are so obviously scummy, if you are scum you can have your partners buss you without thinking

If you are town scum could stay off your wagon for an all town mislynch.

I've seen both happen before

[Thomith]

but most likely there is scum on my wagon, most likely people who give no reason are said scum, although i don't see how using VCA only is a bad idea anyway.

[Beck]

but most likely there is scum on my wagon, most likely people who give no reason are said scum, although i don't see how using VCA only is a bad idea anyway.

The more you talk the more I want you to be lynched for my own sanity

I swear if I didn't already know it was against the rules, I'd swear you were a jester.

[Thomith]

... what was bad in that post, VCA is bad on it's own and there is likely scum on my wagon.

[Ellibereth]

hi Thomith
everything you know about mafia theory is wrong
you're better off being a quiet sheep this game

I'll read the rest of this shit later.

[Rainbowdash]

As for not taking stances, I was looking at it from both a scum and town perspective (as some/most of my posts from that point should attest), so it does stand to reason that I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about it all. So yeah, I admit that I wasn't exactly being direct and "this action is X, not Y" in regards to Thomith.

Thing is that anypony can think from both sides of the equation given enough practice, being able to get into opposite mindset is what allows ponies to be significantly above average strength in this game. What I can't do is get into your specific mindset as well, I can infer some things about what you think from reading your posts, as you saw me pick up dissent in EBs posts already since things didn't mesh. You are the one that needs to take at least some form of stance, even when in doubt. Look at me and Thomith, am I calling him town and trying to get wagons elsewhere? Of course, but by no means am I fully convinced in that pony flipping town. You just have to act on what you think, and actually think something. I honestly cannot believe anypony can have zero opinon on anypony else even after a couple of posts from them.

As for Neruz, though, I think I pretty clearly said that I found him scummy for that stuff. Or am I missing something?

You have been voting Neruz for all of 90 minutes this game. Shift to Thomith off him came around the point of the quotes you were really stalling stances.

which is scummy because its a way to make it seem like you are contributing to the discussion without actually having to firmly plant hooves on either side of the line.

Is summarizing it scummy or not giving a stance scummy? Because summarzing like this isn't always scummy.

Summarizing is actually somewhat of a tell since its a great way to give illusion of doing something else to ponies who don't like to listen too closely. Not giving stances is also usually scummy since its not contributing which is bad.

What? So digging a hole was some unique way of saying commited the exact same scumtells as somepony else?

No, I'm pretty sure I never tried accusing Thomith of doing the same as Neruz.

Re-explain the digging a hole part being scummy then, because I don't get how it is.

You would like to call me out on hypocrisy, wouldn't you?

Thing is, I didn't actually call him scum in this post, nor assign any scumpoints or scumtells to him. I ONLY said he has my suspicion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't get snippy with me. These hooves can not only protect but also destroy, and I will not hesitate to use them to do such if you aren't going to just answer questions straightforward. Also I love to call ponies out on being hypocritical since its a scumtell.

But I did answer it straightfowardly below that...why are you trying to say I didn't?

Sorta, you kind of just admitted to what I was saying and thought you weren't going to do that.

How in the world is saying somepony has your suspicion, but they aren't going to get your vote any different then what happened with Neruz to start the game? Its the exact same thing, scarily the exact same thing. Even with that last post you specifically say that he has your suspicion, which makes him more scummy than anypony at null read, which is what we all railed on Neruz for.

Because I had scumreads that were worse than Neruz at the time. Neruz only had nullreads.

To me, Neruz was the lesser of two evils, and thus did not get a vote.

Who was the greater of two evils? I know that "Not Voting" pony you moved off Neruz for is a shifty character, but are they that bad?

Wonder if just saying throw you in the big group and it becomes a pick two works better. Given early game I believe one of the three lurkers is scum or at least two of my alliance is scum, which I heavily lean to lurker. This is even more true if deselby is town.

Not quite sure what you're saying here, honestly.

[/quote]

Game behavior and lack of resistance to me pushing an alliance suggest scum is either not afriad of it or they are not in any position to do anything against it, such as lurking. Deselby is the only pony who seems against the concept, so if he is town I will near guarentee one Enmity Pony is in the inital lurker pool, most likely Sleuth/Parama given the entry to the game from Ellibereth. That or they are unafraid because scum is put in good position by the alliance.

For those complaining, VCA is normally still useful in any situation outside of a early game day cop guilty. I could still see lots of use from Thomith flip based on that.

I need to figure out which of hiphop and VM are scum so we can end this day without getting deadline pressure, especially as I just found out next weekend (27th-28th) I might lose all access.

[Ellibereth]

Who's in your alliance thingy.

Unvote, Vote Voided

Neruz is still probably scum etc. (look at where his vote is vs. where his attention is etc. etc.)
Thom can eat bullet.
Back/Rainbow are town.
yeah.

[Thomith]

Can we not assume the setup >.> you are assuming there is a vig when there might not be.

[Ellibereth]

hi Thomith
everything you know about mafia theory is wrong
you're better off being a quiet sheep this game

[Ellibereth]

On that note you're not voting someone.
vote someone.

[Beck]

Can we not assume the setup >.> you are assuming there is a vig when there might not be.

Maybe he is hoping, not assuming there is a vig?