Rainbowdash wrote:Voidedmafia wrote:Rainbowdash wrote:Yeah now thats right. I will explain all right before we actually lynch, and why its a slight town tell for Neruz to drop a few lines.
You mean, if he does drop a few lines, it's a towntell? Lines about what roles are in the game?
Now now, no rolefishing. Its a minor tell though I think, may be putting too much stock in it, but its something I was looking to see if it would come up or not.
I just wasn't sure what you wanted Neruz to drop a few lines on.
Rainbowdash wrote:@VM - Humor me here, make a case on hiphop. If you want to draw from what I have said in the past but feel free too. I really haven't mentioned that pony as scum in the last ten or so pages so it would be nice to see what else you think has occured there.
Oh, fine, a more in-depth case, then.
While most of the early stuff is town (catching on to the same slip most of us did with Neruz, making a good point about one of Thomith's attempted defenses toward Neruz), he first starts to slip
here, claiming that Thomith already knows Neruz's alignment. It was called out on soon after (by Beck first, as seen
here). Now, while his argument about why Thomith is trying to defend against
the
scummiest action at this point in the game holds merit, trying to say that THomith is scum because of his blatant defense just isn't right. As Beck points out, town blatantly defend just as much as scum do. There is very little merit in trying to say that here, and it just makes Hiphop look bad.
Hiphop then spends posts 58 and 60 trying to draw Thomith's attention to the whole "you just claimed lol" part of it. While I can agree that Thomith isn't the most competent player here, I find it unlikely he missed that, and was most likely just working with the other part of the argument instead. Not to mention that trying to draw attention to this is kinda like the bad kind of tunneling. The kind that's more like you're trying to find any speck of evidence to blame them with instead of zoning in on cornered scum.
Next up is Hip again trying to pin the scumpin on Thomith, along with exaggerating Thomith's intentions (escalating Thomith's stance from "Not really convinced about the argument to "Hey i'm fencesitting!" is the obvious one). While it is true that town can do this as well as scum, town don't exaggerate this openly or this extremely.
here, Hip again tries to claim THomith is scum with the same "he already knows Neruz's alignment, when there's still been no clear proof. For all we know, Thom could just be town defending someone hes sees as a townread (Yes, I know that's the obvious answer). This constant pushing without anything to back it up (either with is own or someone else's) pushes him into scum territory.
Again Hip tries to say Thomith is scum because he's trying to say that Neruz is town with nothing to show. That doesn't make him scum, instantly, just a bit free with his townreads (and maybe a little stupid). He continues on to counter another of your points by saying that his lack of pushing elsewhere means scum, but I often have trouble pushing other people without something sturdy to work of off, so that's more of a playstyle tell than a scumtell. He also fails to respond to the other part of that quote, which illustrates how Thomith could be town. Furthermore, he tries to belittle your townread on him because there are four people pushing his lynch, but that doesn't mean he's not town. Just means that four people are pushing his lynch.
Rainbowdash wrote:If you could elaborate on my push of him latching onto the one point against Thomith while ignoring others I would like that as well, since I was more or less torn on what that really ment when you broke it down.
May just be because my brain kinda turns to mush this late at night, but I'm not sure what this is referring to.
Thomith wrote:weird wrote:For one thing, a scumflip from Thomith makes hiphop pretty clear town.
And when i flip town?
Makes him pretty clear scum, most likely.
Took too long doing something else. I'll try to finish the rest of this when I wake up.
