Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Amrun]

Evidence we're not in lylo? Cool.

VOTE: ConSpiracy

[bvoigt]

The hyperlinked name is "Cult Doctor".

That's what is in my PM (although you probably could have guessed it anyway if you were fakeclaiming).

VOTE: ConSpiracy

[Yosarian2]

Flameaxe/Yos- Ya... and if you are scum, then there is scum gain, which is what I'm trying to eliminate.

The thing is, IF you are town, there is no gain. What it does is takes the chance that if you are scum, there will be negative gain.

So...your argument is that it only helps the town for me to claim if I am scum?

Wouldn't it logically follow that therefore, since I know that I'm town, that it would be anti-town for me to claim?

I don't really get why anyone without information has claimed; it's fairly likely that all the claims we've forced out are going to be a disaster for the town in the long run.

[Yosarian2]

On another note, looks like I'm going to suddenly be V/LA for the next 3-4 days. I'll put down a vote on ConSpiracy now, so that dosn't stall the game. I really can't see him being town at this point in any case.

Vote:ConSpiracy

[Battousai]

Yos- Your logic is wrong there. If it doesn't hurt town, but hurts scum then there should be no reason not to claim.

Why should you claim if you are town? Well, failure to do so doesn't hurt you, but does alleviate the suspicion that you are scum and are hiding something.

Flameaxe- Yesterday, you were all gun ho for people claiming and did not once tell people to stop and get an unanimous decision on the massclaim. Then when people started balking, you say we shouldn't claim because not everyone wanted to claim. Now, it's just down to you and Yos and you CHANGE your reasoning to "there is no reason to."

Your scum. And I will not unvote you.

[Yosarian2]

Yos- Your logic is wrong there. If it doesn't hurt town, but hurts scum then there should be no reason not to claim.

Well, except that of course me claiming would hurt town, no matter what my role was. If I had information to share, then it could hypothetically help town more, but here it really dosn't.

Why should you claim if you are town? Well, failure to do so doesn't hurt you, but does alleviate the suspicion that you are scum and are hiding something.

Claiming just so that the town is less likely to lynch you and suspects you less, also known as "claiming to pressure", is usually only a good idea when you're at lynch -2 or something like that.

Anyway, I'm off for the weekend. Be back on Tuesday or so. Later everyone

[Flameaxe]

@Batt: Yeah, I no longer see any benefit to claiming. So what? Surely that can't be your only reason for "Your (should be you're) scum. And I will not unvote you."

Fuck it. Don't unvote me. It sounds like a great excuse for you to coast through the day. Have at it.

[Flameaxe]

The only benefit to claiming in a game like this is to get information out, if I had information, I would have claimed it. I said this yesterday, almost exactly the same thing.

And requoting my own post for emphasis. Beyond this, what specific gain would there be from me claiming right now (or yesterday, fwiw).

[Battousai]

Flameaxe- So you no longer see any benefit in it... after everyone else (except Yos who can't use his ability due to ML) has claimed... that is why I think you are scum.

[Battousai]

EDIT- After you WANTED everyone else to claim, I mean.

[Cobblerfone]

Cobble, can you explain why you think Flameaxe is a better lynch choice than ConSpiracy?

Because Flameaxe feels like the "main" scum. However, since Hero seems to have claimed he was roleblocked(?) And the flavor implies it's not Flameaxe. Then the occupation with the most likely flavor is ConSpiracy. (who is a City Councilperson.)

That's what is in my PM (although you probably could have guessed it anyway if you were fakeclaiming).

I was hoping for Alarmist personally.

[Herodotus]

Cobble, can you explain why you think Flameaxe is a better lynch choice than ConSpiracy?

Because Flameaxe feels like the "main" scum. However, since Hero seems to have claimed he was roleblocked(?) And the flavor implies it's not Flameaxe. Then the occupation with the most likely flavor is ConSpiracy. (who is a City Councilperson.)

Why do you believe that Cons is the best flavour match?

[Cobblerfone]

Why do you believe that Cons is the best flavour match?

Out of Flameaxe and ConSpiracy, ConSpiracy must be the only one. Generally: City Council = government = veto was the first thing to come to my mind. I don't see xvart the teamster or Lady the bartender being a roleblocker, Yos has been locked up, the vigs are pretty confirmed.

Actually, come to think of it, it could be Amrun the doctor. If the flavor is being beaten up it could be bunny the factory worker, since Darox the dock worker was a bodyguard.

What

was

the flavor exactly?

[Flameaxe]

@Cobble: Define "main". And while we're at it, give a better reason than that copout bullshit answer.

@Batt: Again I say, there must be another reason I'm 100% scum. I refuse to believe that the claim situation is your only reason. If it is, pull your head out of your ass. For everyone's sake. (And stop being a shitty vig, while we're at it.)

[Herodotus]

I was busy/distracted.

I agree that a city government person is a possible match, but Cons claimed vanilla and claimed to have visited a location. I think he should claim the rest of his actions. If someone can verify that he has been visiting, that won't prove entirely that he's town but it would prove he wasn't RB'ing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hero, can you claim the flavor of the roleblock that occured?

Also, can someone post a list of people and their claims for me, aswell as when they claimed? I think that the roleblocker is likely someone who dodges the fakeclaim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: dodged having to make a fakeclaim.

[Herodotus]

Hero, can you claim the flavor of the roleblock that occured?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3361532 first paragraph.

[Herodotus]

Also, can someone post a list of people and their claims for me, aswell as when they claimed? I think that the roleblocker is likely someone who dodges the fakeclaim.

Not sure if it is complete but in my quote from this post is a list. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3305874

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thanks Hero.

So yeah, I think the roleblocker exists in someone that did not claim.

[Amrun]

I agree.

[Cobblerfone]

I agree that a city government person is a possible match, but Cons claimed vanilla and claimed to have visited a location.

I thought he wen't unclaimed? Either way.

Amrun's simple "I agree" with no other point makes me think she actually could be the RB.

[Cobblerfone]

That last thing was meant only semi-jokingly.

[Amrun]

Herp de derp.

I am the doctor. I have fully claimed. Way to miss the point.

[Flameaxe]

@Cobble: Define "main". And while we're at it, give a better reason than that copout bullshit answer.

Thanks.