TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia - Game over!

[VitaminR]

Even if Ameliaslay does not cooperate, we can force a tie.

Unvote: mith

Vote: No Lynch

[mith]

Your plan will not work. I can recruit, whether I die or not. Ameliaslay will become cult, and VitaminR will die, and we have our draw either way. You gain nothing from this, CA.

In fact, VitaminR, I'd rather have a three-way draw than get killed. Dead or not, I'll still be a part of a cult draw, but so what? I like surviving. I'll offer you one better: so long as you don't kill, you stay alive; eventually Cadmium will declare this a draw. As soon as you kill me, you get lynched. CA won't lynch you with me alive, and I can't lynch you without him. If I die, you're dead, and you lose. You've played a great game, don't settle for a loss just because of some ridiculous grudge against the cult (where does that come from, anyway? we're both evil! we should be working together, if anything).

[mith]

Oh, but in case I do die, since I won't be able to speak to Ameliaslay after today: If VitaminR does kill me, do make sure to try recruiting CA after you guys lynch VR. We're only guessing that he can't be recruited.

[mith]

(And one final thing. The "the townies might help you out in a later game" thing is total BS at best, and an awful form of meta-gaming at worst. Cross-game deals are completely against the spirit of the game. But I'll save that rant for the post-game.)

[Commodore Amazing]

Your plan will not work. I can recruit, whether I die or not. Ameliaslay will become cult, and VitaminR will die, and we have our draw either way. You gain nothing from this, CA.

In fact, VitaminR, I'd rather have a three-way draw than get killed. Dead or not, I'll still be a part of a cult draw, but so what? I like surviving. I'll offer you one better: so long as you don't kill, you stay alive; eventually Cadmium will declare this a draw. As soon as you kill me, you get lynched. CA won't lynch you with me alive, and I can't lynch you without him. If I die, you're dead, and you lose. You've played a great game, don't settle for a loss just because of some ridiculous grudge against the cult (where does that come from, anyway? we're both evil! we should be working together, if anything).

Why don't we all just go down to happy town and roll around in the happy hay with our big happy smiles on?

We don't know what tricks mith has up his sleeves. And it's possible that he could recruit both Ameliaslay and I and lynch you anyway, VitaminR. Then you'd be handing the game to the cult.

My guess is that Cadmium will force you to make a kill before calling his game a draw. You know where that kill would go anyway. Might as well take out mith earlier, rather than later.

And don't listen to mith's parenthetical garbage about metagaming. You know what you have to do. FINISH HIM!

[mith]

If I can recruit both of you, he loses either way.

If I *can't* recruit you, CA, he gets a draw.

Don't roll your eyes at me.

It's worth a try, isn't it, VR? If CA's right, you lose anyway. If Cadmium forces you to kill, then so be it; it's worth a shot, right? But if CA's wrong, if Cadmium doesn't force you to kill, you get a draw. Heck, shoot at a corpse, he probably never specified that you have to target living players anyway. Or the Mod, even.

The reason he's giving as justification for killing me is BS. There is no reason whatsoever for you to prefer a town win to a cult win. Flavor-wise, a cult win makes *more* sense for you; we're working toward similar goals. If you must kill, kill CA. But only if it comes to that. Until then, play out of your best interests. A draw is better than a loss. Don't let CA pressure you into something truly idiotic.

[mith]

Right, going to bed, so one final post tonight.

Ameliaslay:

Don't put on that last no lynch vote just yet. It's clear that unless CA has a sudden change of heart and takes his two-way draw now instead of possibly later (or possibly three-way, if VR is smart), this will be a no lynch, but I'm having fun arguing about it and since VR is the one making the decision I'd like to see what he has to say and respond. There is no gain from you rushing to a no lynch anyway.

If I die, you'll be the lone cultist. You and CA will lynch VR tomorrow, because otherwise you both lose and VR wins. Then you can try recruiting CA. Worst case, you can't, we draw with the town, but do try.

I have faith (ironically) VitaminR won't kill me though. He's a clever guy. If he kills me, he dies tomorrow.

I'll vote no lynch tomorrow sometime, after everyone's said their piece; unless CA changes his mind, of course. A two-way is better than a three-way after all, CA; or, heaven forbid, being forcably recruited into a cult you despise, still a very real possibility. (Sorry VR, but you understand that I'd rather get this over with today, instead of going into night, just in case I'm wrong and you *do* perish me. Doesn't change the fact that if CA doesn't take me up on it, not killing is in your best interests.)

[Ameliaslay]

Oh, deal. Definitely. I don't see why not. I have no real incentive to stab you in the back. It does not give me a win and it is the cult's plans I want to thwart.

Let's do it.

vote: no lynch

See ya later, mith!

@Ameliaslay - we might need you to vote with us on this one

I do believe I'm w/ you here

unvote: vote no-lynch

[Ameliaslay]

If I die, you'll be the lone cultist. You and CA will lynch VR tomorrow, because otherwise you both lose and VR wins. Then you can try recruiting CA. Worst case, you can't, we draw with the town, but do try.

Either way it looks like a vitaminr lynch tomorrow, whether you help lynch him or I help lynch him (assuming you survive the night instead of me or along with me)

[quote="mith"Ameliaslay: Don't put on that last no lynch vote just yet[/quote]
I apologize, I posted before I read your latest post...

[VitaminR]

CA, what do you have against mith's plan?

If you're recruitable, you win. If you're unrecruitable, you draw. The same thing happens if we follow your plan.

[mith]

I apologize, I posted before I read your latest post...

No problem... we'll always have twilight...

It doesn't look like there's much more to say to VitaminR anyway. He knows what to do (or not do) tonight.

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

1 VitaminR (mith)

3 no lynch (Commodore Amazing, VitaminR, Ameliaslay)

not voting (0):

Deathscene coming up.

[Cadmium]

When you make a vow to God, do not delay in fulfilling it. He has no pleasure in fools; fulfill your vow.

It is now night 8, deadline:

1 April 2006 10:00 am MST

[Cadmium]

For what mortal man has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived?

It is now day 8, with 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

[mith]

You have chosen... wisely.

I assume we'll have to at least try to recruit CA before Cadmium will declare this a draw. Assuming I don't succeed, and I think that's pretty likely, you'll have your draw with another no kill, VR.

Vote: No lynch

[VitaminR]

I was hoping you'd try to recruit CA straight away, but I guess there was always the fear of backstabbing.

Vote: No Lynch

[mith]

Indeed. If I had tried to recruit CA, and you killed me anyway, the cult would've been dead if the recruit failed.

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

2 no lynch (mith, VitaminR)

not voting (2): Ameliaslay, Commodore Amazing

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Ameliaslay]

vote:no lynch

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

3 no lynch (mith, VitaminR, Ameliaslay)

not voting (1): Commodore Amazing

Deathscene coming up.

[Cadmium]

I spoke once, but I have no answer - twice, but I will say no more.

It is now night 9, deadline:

1 April 2006 10:00 am MST

[Cadmium]

Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.

Game over: town, SK and cult tie !

[mith]

Stupid unrecruitable CA...

Good game everyone. Post-game comments later.

[VitaminR]

Woo!

Good game guys. Enjoyed this one immensely.

Thanks for modding, Cadmium.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Congrats to all on the tie... and thanks Cadmium. Excellent idea for a themed game.