Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Flameaxe]

Cobble, can you explain why you think Flameaxe is a better lynch choice than ConSpiracy?

Because Flameaxe feels like the "main" scum. However, since Hero seems to have claimed he was roleblocked(?) And the flavor implies it's not Flameaxe. Then the occupation with the most likely flavor is ConSpiracy. (who is a City Councilperson.)

That's what is in my PM (although you probably could have guessed it anyway if you were fakeclaiming).

I was hoping for Alarmist personally.

Except that it wasn't that question at all. So, if you will, better reasons please.

[Cobblerfone]

Except that it wasn't that question at all. So, if you will, better reasons please.

It's pretty much the same, but you're right. I still think you're more likely to flip cult.

[Herodotus]

I don't like the way Flameaxe is defending himself. It seems to come down to "no one can

prove

that I'm scum!" Some people think you are. No one proved that Chrono, Dry-fit, Porochaz, Andrius, Thad, Katsuki, etc. were scum either.
But Flameaxe isn't my first choice for a lynch. Various reasons have been stated for lynching xvart so far, but the biggest reason for me is that the Day 1 wagon would make him a great Night 3 recruit. Second would be how teamster seems like a role that might be able to keep a city employee occupied.

[Nobody Special]

Prod received.

My reasoning for going after Yos is simple: I wasn't sure the JK was to be believed.

[Amrun]

Why not just go for the jk then?

[Flameaxe]

@Hero: At least in the case of Cobble, I'm trying to get anything out of him. He's been spouting on about how I'm scum off and on for the better part of the past two game days without much of a reason. You may not be able to prove that someone is scum, but someone should at least be held accountable to give a reason. I can't convince someone that they are wrong when their entire case is that "I feel like the main scum".

@Cobble: On that note...I'd still like reasons. "You're the main cult" and "I think you're likely to flip cult" don't help. At all. Give why. Actually pretend to convince others to follow your (lack of) logic.

tl;dr: I'm not planning on moving my vote any time soon.

[Flameaxe]

Why not just go for the jk then?

This may be one of the most logical posts I've ever read.

[Herodotus]

Magister was scummy, so you took a shot at Yos2? Even if Yos had died, either as town or scum, I don't think that would have said much about Magister. Not that I'd want you to have killed Magister either, but [SMH].

I suppose I'm just complaining about poor night choices all around.

Though on a related note, if xvart flips mafia roleblocker today, I think all the protective roles should let you shoot Yos2 tonight. His defense of xvart yesterday would merit that.

[Nobody Special]

Why not just go for the jk then?

I was more in doubt on Yos that ML.

[Cobblerfone]

@Flameaxe:
Yesterday: Process of Elimination was my main reason of suspecting you.

Today:

Flameaxe- Yesterday, you were all gun ho for people claiming and did not once tell people to stop and get an unanimous decision on the massclaim. Then when people started balking, you say we shouldn't claim because not everyone wanted to claim. Now, it's just down to you and Yos and you CHANGE your reasoning to "there is no reason to."

This is adds to my suspicion.

[bvoigt]

@Flameaxe:
Yesterday: Process of Elimination was my main reason of suspecting you.

Can you expand on this?

[Magister Ludi]

Been continuing low access, and will continue. Still support a Con lynch.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, back from V/LA.

About the things asked to me.
Herod: No my claim doesn't help any one.
Just in case I am lynched during the time I'm V/La, I am a non-consecutive night commuter.
However, I never commuted (neither did Fritzler), because it doesn't make any sense to commute.
1. If culted, cult becomes more powerful. (so do I then)
2. If copped, I am innocent.
3. If doc'ed, no harm done
4. If RB'ed, no harm done
5. If tracked/watched etc. no harm done.
6. If vigged, I am apparently too culty. (Mislynch avoided)
7. If I do not commute, I could visit a spot

So...you are a commuter, but you never commuted, because you wanted to be culted and/or vigged? That dosn't make a lot of sense. The idea that getting vigged "averts a mislynch" is silly; vigs try to do all kinds of anti-town things, like NS apparently trying to vig me for no reason last night even though no one seems to suspect me at this point and I have no votes. And the idea that you didn't commute because you wanted to be culted...well, it seems like you probably got your wish, if that's actually true.

[Yosarian2]

It occurs to me that we could test ConSpiracy's commuter claim, by just having him commute tonight and directing one of the two vigs to target him tonight. Of course, if he's telling the truth it still wouldn't mean he's town, but perhaps we could rule out the possibility of him being a lying cult roleblocker.

[Amrun]

Why not just go for the jk then?

I was more in doubt on Yos that ML.

But this doesn't make sense.

It doesn't matter whether or not you were more in doubt of Yos. If you see the likelihood of ML telling the truth, then no matter what alignment yos is, by vigging him, you are testing ML and not Yos.

[Nobody Special]

Oh sure, it makes SENSE when YOU explain it.



(And people seriously don't believe me when I say I suck at this game. Go figure.)

[Bunnylover]

It occurs to me that we could test ConSpiracy's commuter claim, by just having him commute tonight and directing one of the two vigs to target him tonight. Of course, if he's telling the truth it still wouldn't mean he's town, but perhaps we could rule out the possibility of him being a lying cult roleblocker.

I think we are still in the game because our vig (or vigsw) are still able to kill people (cult), which prevents cult from just slowly outnumbering us.
If we use one shot to test this, it might be game over for us.

[Battousai]

Been gone due to school/moving in. Back now.


Yos, I don't like that plan.
1) Con is lying about his role/alignment, vigging him would flip us cult (best scenerio)
2) Con is lying about alignment, vigging him would waste a vig shot and he will still be alive tomorrow giving us no information on his alignment
3) Con is telling the truth, same as 2
4) Con is telling the truth, scum can RB him and he will flip town

Best scenerio reward is outweighed by what would hurt us.

[Amrun]

Oh sure, it makes SENSE when YOU explain it.



(And people seriously don't believe me when I say I suck at this game. Go figure.)

This response is scummy, but I had been otherwise leaning town on NS. Eh.

[xvart]

I said a massclaim is only beneficial if everyone does it. Difference. My opinion on claiming changed through the day.

Are you refusing to claim because not everyone else claimed or are you refusing to claim because you had no information to claim?

I don't see how asking someone what day they think I was recruited if they are soooooo sure I'm scum (like Batt seems to be) is distracting..

It's a scapegoat and a diversion. "If you can't tell me exactly what day I was recruited then your justification for thinking I'm cult is invalid."

However, I never commuted (neither did Fritzler), because it doesn't make any sense to commute.
1. If culted, cult becomes more powerful. (so do I then)
2. If copped, I am innocent.
3. If doc'ed, no harm done
4. If RB'ed, no harm done
5. If tracked/watched etc. no harm done.
6. If vigged, I am apparently too culty. (Mislynch avoided)
7. If I do not commute, I could visit a spot

So you're saying when you commute you get culted even though you aren't home? And how do you know this playbook of results during your non-existent commuting? Was this in your role pm? Did you ask Flay? And how does a vig think you are too "culty" to miss you while you aren't even home?

This claim is bogus. Too much information is provided to make it appear to be legitimate PLUS I don't see Flay being so specific about information (whether prompted or provided) when every thing else in the game is so ambiguous.

VOTE: ConSpiracy

Herodotus has said that Flameaxe didn't roleblock him. Now let's move on.

Oh okay, in that case...

@Hero: At least in the case of Cobble, I'm trying to get anything out of him. He's been spouting on about how I'm scum off and on for the better part of the past two game days without much of a reason. You may not be able to prove that someone is scum, but someone should at least be held accountable to give a reason. I can't convince someone that they are wrong when their entire case is that "I feel like the main scum".

There are other reasons why people think you are scum, and if you stopped caring when I said I thought you believed you recruited why is it any different for another player?

[xvart]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ConSpiracy

[Amrun]

Why did you unvote just to replace your vote right where it was?

[xvart]

Because I had my vote was somewhere else and I didn't unvote in the previous post.

[Yosarian2]

Been gone due to school/moving in. Back now.


Yos, I don't like that plan.
1) Con is lying about his role/alignment, vigging him would flip us cult (best scenerio)
2) Con is lying about alignment, vigging him would waste a vig shot and he will still be alive tomorrow giving us no information on his alignment
3) Con is telling the truth, same as 2
4) Con is telling the truth, scum can RB him and he will flip town

Best scenerio reward is outweighed by what would hurt us.

It sounds like Con was claiming that when he commmutes he actually becomes untargatable, which means he probably can't be roleblocked, so I don't think #4 is possible.

That being said, Bunny is probably right; it's probably not worth spending a vig kill on it when it doesn't give us anything solid either way. Ok, back to plan A; let's just lynch him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

NS, did you concisely post why you thought Yos was a good vig shot?

Conspiracy, commuter is one of those claims that isn't provable and scum love to hide behind. Why did you visit the buildings you did?