Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not gonna bother moving myself this round, so if you want my chits to help you get to the DC Maru, you can.

Fair enough Marble, but you're still wrong about me. The rest of your reads are fine, and I'm all for sending Klazam to the Move Checker. I think he's the perfect choice since he'll be thorough with checking people's claims to the thugs he sees.

[Klazam]

press and push

I want to know what this is supposed to mean.

Maru's plan works. If it fails, we can try again.

I'm fine with going to the move checker area.

I'll volunteer my chits for the door control move.

[Feysal]

The way the posts keep pouring in already in pregame, this game seems destined to become a juggernaut of pages. I've read two pages, and I've seen some good ideas and bad ideas, some things I've wanted to comment on, and someone saying exactly what I wanted to a few posts later. I have my own thoughts about all this, but clearly I have to read first and then summarize just about everything. If all the good ideas are scattered in short posts all over the thread this is going to become a madhouse. We're going to have to agree on some form of centralized planning, or we're just going to get in each other's way. Posting all moves in public is only part of it, we're also going to have to cooperate if we want to put the people we want where we want them. The chit cost of moving other people heavily favors teamwork over trying to move yourself.

For starters, I think we need to agree on a clear format for posting moves. I already saw Fate posting a move to monastery - does he intend to spend two chits to move himself there? Why not have someone else move him for half the cost? What about insurance? I want to keep track of not only moves, but chit expenditure, and for that I will require accurate data.

Suggestion: every time you move yourself or anyone else, you do so by filling this form, posting it in thread and sending it to zoraster:

Code: Select all

[area=MOVE]
[b]Player to Move:[/b] (name of player)
[b]Room to Move to:[/b] (name of room)
[b]Insurance?:[/b] (Yes/No)
[/area]

MOVE

Player to Move:

(name of player)

Room to Move to:

(name of room)

Insurance?:

(Yes/No)

[Klazam]

Fey-

Moves are made by sending pms to Zora, not in thread.

Moves should be claimed in thread though.

[Lost Butterfly]

He knows he's suggesting we post it in thread in that format.

Security room should be filled by someone town - marble would be fine there I think, atm.

[Llamarble]

Fate don't you want to go QT / Rage with Reck & Elli?

7 people are accounted for by door / Villa / Rage rotation.

1 more each for security and move checker

5 for campfire
Which means 6 left. I guess 2-3 of those can go in tipping land but we have to be REALLY careful about that.
And we can use the war room too I suppose because we just plain have enough people to.
May as well toss an obvtown in the panic room as that can't hurt. And we lynch / chair

But yeah we have alot of people compared to the size of this place, which makes sense for D1.

I am good with Feysal's suggestion.
I am also good with Klazam to move checker.
Him nomming me-town for that makes him probtown in addition to his other stuff.

[Klazam]

We should probably change players in the movechecker and the security rooms, though. I dont want the scum landing there and staying the whole game. I'm ok with Marble for the first shift in security.

I'm not in favor of putting people in tippy room. We have to leave some people in the nexus for D1.

[hitogoroshi]

I don't want anyone in the villa NOW. I want LB/myself/Andrius/whoever else in the Rageatorium. Reck is right in saying we have no particular reason to believe it's an all-town group. But when you take a group of people who can read each other very well, and let them aim doublevotes at each other, it tends to get business sorted out one way or the other pretty quickly.

We don't need to have Door Control before Villa. 3 people go in to the villa, one goes out to door control (I have a plan that should pretty much guarantee it's a townie - I don't want to get into details specifically, though I can say that if we could leave 'time capsules' with cryptography it would accomplish pretty much the same thing).

Potion Room and Tipping Point should be off limits because a.) Going for Potions leaves too much wiggle room for 'accidental' pileups at the Tipping Point and b.) I trust scum to have the coordination to get someone to Potions a hell of a lot more than I trust town.

In fact, as a general rule, the more complex a plan gets, the more likely it will only succeed with significant scum assistance, in which case we probably don't want it succeeding. I want LB and whoever they can read best (I don't believe I've seen Andrius as scum, so I don't know if he's always obvtown as town only, or just convincing no matter what) to saunter with me - not dash, saunter - leftwards. And I want anyone that is either default hard to read or looking scummy to stay on the Nexus for now and head for the fire on their last move. That's it.

I think LB and I should move each-other to Rageatorium. And Andrius and someone else should do the same. R2 or thereabouts we can get Fate/xRx/whoever those two can read well into the Rageatorium. Then we can do a little dance around door, rage, villa that is awesome and wonderful.

[Lost Butterfly]

how the hell does a double vote help in reading each other. the villa WOULD help. the rageatorium is useless for that. seriously.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Hito: I'll stay in the Nexus.

[Klazam]

Hito- The door controller does not need to be town at all. In fact it would help if mafia is in there. We dont have to worry about replacing the DC if he/she dies, and we can lynch quickly if he/she doesnt listen to the town with opening/closing doors. I dont really care who we send there, but we should do it ASAP in my opnion.

[Klazam]

Also, Hito, cryptography isnt allowed in the rules.

[Andrius]

Done with Ch.24. Ch.25 next for ACCT.

I don't want anyone in the villa NOW. I want LB/myself/Andrius/whoever else in the Rageatorium. Reck is right in saying we have no particular reason to believe it's an all-town group. But when you take a group of people who can read each other very well, and let them aim doublevotes at each other, it tends to get business sorted out one way or the other pretty quickly.

We don't need to have Door Control before Villa. 3 people go in to the villa, one goes out to door control (I have a plan that should pretty much guarantee it's a townie - I don't want to get into details specifically, though I can say that if we could leave 'time capsules' with cryptography it would accomplish pretty much the same thing).

Potion Room and Tipping Point should be off limits because a.) Going for Potions leaves too much wiggle room for 'accidental' pileups at the Tipping Point and b.) I trust scum to have the coordination to get someone to Potions a hell of a lot more than I trust town.

In fact, as a general rule, the more complex a plan gets, the more likely it will only succeed with significant scum assistance, in which case we probably don't want it succeeding. I want LB and whoever they can read best (I don't believe I've seen Andrius as scum, so I don't know if he's always obvtown as town only, or just convincing no matter what) to saunter with me - not dash, saunter - leftwards. And I want anyone that is either default hard to read or looking scummy to stay on the Nexus for now and head for the fire on their last move. That's it.

I think LB and I should move each-other to Rageatorium. And Andrius and someone else should do the same. R2 or thereabouts we can get Fate/xRx/whoever those two can read well into the Rageatorium. Then we can do a little dance around door, rage, villa that is awesome and wonderful.

I endorse this plan fully.
Give me a name and when the time comes we can all cross-move.
But I want time in the villa.
Former Fruit will understand how much more I rock in QTs.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes Yes Andrius, you were good in Court.

Of course, you also shot Equinox.

[tclawren]

K

So I'm just going hang around the nexus for a while, with the aim of eventually being moved to the campfire or the switch. If anyone needs help being moved just ask me in thread.

more detailed post when I'm not at work.

[Andrius]

Yes Yes Andrius, you were good in Court.

Of course, you also shot Equinox.

I know.
But you were no fruit and thus didn't get what I meant.

[Maruchan]

I think we should suggest moving EVERYBODY out of the Nexus/Rageatorium/SecludedVilla/Door switch, then lock every door around that 4-room line. Why? then the scum can't kill me to force-replace the door switch operator!!

^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think we should suggest moving EVERYBODY out of the Nexus/Rageatorium/SecludedVilla/Door switch, then lock every door around that 4-room line. Why? then the scum can't kill me to force-replace the door switch operator!!

^_^

This is wrong for the same reason as the Party Room plan.

[Llamarble]

I am happy to spend my 3 early-move-chips to double move Maruchan to the villa. Somebody should do that, in any case.
I think we want to open / close a LOT of doors today and he should save his chips for that.
I'd be happy to be in the security room for shift #1.

[zoraster]

Magua replaces Nicodemus

[Llamarble]

Okay, here I go:

MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Ragetorium

Insurance?:

Yes

AND THEN:

MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

No

So this should put Maruchan into the Ragetorium fast and then send him to the villa uninsured.

I actually think we should do this with 2-3 more players to MAKE SURE scum can't screw up all of them, cause if I were scum I would definitely give interfering with door control a shot in this situation.

So maybe the butterfly neighborteam should all do this too? I think getting there one turn sooner matters because scum are probably going to get away with not preclaiming moves, allowing them to just sit in place and use chips to screw things up. Which makes whoever it was that wanted to sit at the nexus awhile probscum.

[Klazam]

LLAMA- NO! read Maruchan's comments.

[Klazam]

Better idea for your chances:

1 INSURED move to the rageatorium.
2 INSURED moves to the secluded villa
1 un-insured move to the doro control.

Possible outcomes:
Rage-SV-SV-door
SV-Rage-SV-door
SV-SV-Rage-door<ONLY NON WORKING

2/3 chance of it working

[Regfan]

I have a slightly complicated plan that I wrote up on a way to a job interview is it worth posting or have we decided upon going with something else?

[Klazam]

worth posting.