Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Regfan]

Yeah, my votes not moving.

[Amrun]

IGMEOY LLD, for not even saying ANYTHING about the two votes you had on you whatsoever.

Just pointing out that this is definitely not a scumtell.

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Just read the beginning again. I can see why people are voting LLD. might join wagon later.

Why are there active people not voting?

And WHY is LLD scummy? Why not join now? What wagon are you currently on that is better?

tclawren, WHY is Maruchan obvious town? Because he offered himself up? That is 100% null.

Yeah, that's null. But his scumhunting sure isn't. Post 188 is pure townie gold.

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Yeah, no it is not. Post 188 is bunk.


P sure tclawren is scum now. That oblique approach to LLD is scummy as hell.

REVERSE READ OF LLD GO

VOTE: tclawren

[tclawren]

Amrun and yes...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Amrun and yes...

Then why good sir, are you hemming and hawing?

"Might join that wagon later".

Why would you say this if you were confident in your Amrun read? If you were actually convinced she was scum, YOU WOULDN'T

[Maruchan]

No, as I said, I lean scum on you, Maruchan. That was clearly stated.

It is not a particularly strong read, but it is stronger than any other scumread I have right now.

I have several stronger townreads, as stated.

No you didn't. Point out where you said I AM SLIGHTLY SCUMMY. Please.

[Amrun]

OKAY jhc I've read.

Yaytown:
-Klazam
-Reck
-Feysal
-hito

Probtown:

-LB
-Llama

Possibly scum:

-Getting twitches from Maruchan

I know a lot of people are reading his volunteering as town, but I am not. Maruchan is a frequent day 1 lynch, iirc - being a newbie and still on the learning curve - and as scum, it wouldn't surprise me if this was a desperate bid to receive town reads he might not otherwise get. I could see him doing this as town, too, but it just seems a little too pre-planned for me. Doesn't read authentic.

Everyone else is in a sea of null at the moment.

All the plans so far sound good except for possibly sending Fate to the Panic Room with zero thought being given. This was probably a bad idea, but it's done.

I plan to stay in the Nexus until such a time when I think of a solid reason to move, if ever. I will spend my chits to make agreed-upon moves if I agree with them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maruchan, second time.

You've posted a couple of "IGMEOY"'s but no vote.

Who is scum Maruchan? Who's your top suspect?

[Maruchan]

getting twitches and then your explanation of could be town could be scum reads to me more like "I don't have feelings either way", but thanks for clearing that up for me.

now please explain scum motives too please.

)I already know what some WOULD be if I were scum, I just want to see what you come up with)

However, Amrun is 100% right. My offering to be the door switcher has nothing to do with alignment. I often do thing regardless of alignment, heck there are some things I am willing to do before even CHECKING my alignment. However, THIS GAME I did check my alignment first. (dropping hints if anyone is doign the meta check I said you should do earlier.)

Also Amrun, just to be clear, I already claimed. you know that right?

LLD I told you all my scum vibes. None are scumie enough to get a vote. I don't like to toss out my vote willy nilly. (which is also stated in my meta with town flips)

However I no longer have my eye on you. ZYour explanation of pregame shenanigans satisfies my curiosity at your lack of response.

[tclawren]

Because I realize it's a possibility that I might not get Amrun lynched today?

I'm sorry if I'm not like Internet Stranger or ABR and will tunnel my way into nothingess.

I'll stay here for a while, but if no one joins me, I will move my vote to someplace more useful.

[Klazam]

vote tclawren

for now.

I dont want llama in the Security Room, due to tc's pushing of Llama.

Also, I'd like to know what about post 188 is pure gold.

[Amrun]

I already explained scum motives, Maruchan. It's right below the bolded in the quote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I realize it's a possibility that I might not get Amrun lynched today?

I'm sorry if I'm not like Internet Stranger or ABR and will tunnel my way into nothingess.

I'll stay here for a while, but if no one joins me, I will move my vote to someplace more useful.

So you're saying you think she's scum... But you won't push her wagon?

This is pretty much scum motive 101.

[xRECKONERx]

I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which.

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.

just stop

I'm scumhunting. Don't tell me to stop.

Or perhaps I misunderstood you. Stop what, exactly?

Being generally terrible at this game.

@LLD or whoever: I wanted to let Maruchan know that I've now vouched for him in THREE GAMES and he's proving me right, how is that inflating his ego? Unless you're saying i'M FUCKING AWESOME in which case

[hitogoroshi]

Normally policy lyching NobodySpecial is MY JAM but I'm quite pleased with how he's started so far. Also, as I alluded to in Metamafia, I have a pretty awesome meta tell on NS and so far he's clean. (I was actually scum in Metamafia - but wasn't lying about the metatell!)

Vote: iamausername

People who weren't around much pregame seem like likely candidates for scum. And his fear of specific room=link powers seems a lot like some of the garbage I tried to stir up as metamafia-scum.

Not gonna figure out how I want the doors to go until I wake up tomorrow. Tomorrow is full of wonderful swathes of free time. I'm pumped.

In the meantime though, do we want to get the raging trio into the Villa R2? I'd feel bad not posting strategy but I'd feel AWESOME getting shit in motion.

[Maruchan]

I just realized, since scum as a faction only get extra movies in 10-14, we need to SERIOUSLY keep track of anybody who uses their chits. And if anyone ever doesn't have the chits needed to do what they're asked, we Policy Lynch them for A: using them on scum, B: using them on themselves without notifying town.

[Llamarble]

I do think Maruchan, at least, should be helped to sit still since him getting dislodged sets us back 2 turns in the process of setting up our desired nighttime configuration.

READS: (ISOing everyone)
Amrun- Leaning a bit scumward but I always seem to think she's scum. We'll see where that goes.
Andrius- Scum.
BS- Did as instructed so some townpoints.
Fate- mild town
Feysal- Town for sheer effort.
Hito- Actually not as town as people are saying
Iamausername-townish for random Maruchan hate
Klazam- probtown
LLD-Scum

@Klazam, Regfan: this is town on town. You two need to stop shitting on the thread with this fight, because you're distracting from the real scum.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but this feels like pointing out for the sake of pointing out.
LB-Slightscum
Maruchan-Probtown
NS-town
Plum-Probtown
Regfan-nullabouts
TClaw-kindascummy
Reck-Town

Well that took awhile.
VOTE: Andrius

[Maruchan]

I am off to bed. I will be up in 9 hours, at the latest. See ya'll soon.

[Klazam]

I just realized, since scum as a faction only get extra movies in 10-14

Lucky scum!

I do think Maruchan, at least, should be helped to sit still since him getting dislodged sets us back 2 turns in the process of setting up our desired nighttime configuration.

I concur. Feysal, you disagree with locking in Maruchan?

#CHIT COUNTER:

Bolded: no chits used
Lowest to high-

Llama: 3
Klazam: 3
Nobody Special: 3
Baby Spice: 3
Nautilius: 3
Fate: 3
Hitogoroshi: 4
Feysal: 4
Lost Butterfly: 4
Lady Lambdadelta: 4
Regfan: 4

Andrius: 5
Amrun:5
iamausername: 5
Maruchan: 5
Plum: 5
Tclawren: 5
xRECKONERx: 5
Magua: 5
Zajnet:5

May i suggest we draw our moves for this round from those who haven't used their chits? (With the obvious exception of Maru, who will be making uninsured door openings/closings as requested)

Also, two people need to start posting. I didnt even realize that Magua and Zajnet is in the game.

[Maruchan]

Who else paid for Fate to assist him in getting to the room he wanted? if he paid for it himself, that would have taken alot more than two.

[Klazam]

Hmm. Thats right Maru. I'm checking now.

*Checks*

nope, still 2 chits.

D2. Monastery:

Max 2. Players in the monastery take two chits to move rather than the normal one (self moves still cost 2)

Move wasnt insured too, so my count is right.

Oh, if youre asking who else-

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Monastery

Insurance?:

Y

[Maruchan]

OHHHH didnt see that help for him

[Regfan]

Hey Llarmable, want to explain this for me:

Town: (I'd be happy to start sending these people toward the security/movechecker rooms): Klazam, Regfan.

Regfan could be a good backup movetracker; he seems pretty town.

Regfan-nullabouts

[Zajnet]

Holy crap, so many posts so fast.

I'm going to have to wait a couple of days to really get into this game because I just found out that I won't have internet on my retreat this weekend.

V/LA

until Sunday evening

[Llamarble]

I liked what you were doing in terms of protown helping get set up.
And I guess if you were scum we'd probably have been screwed with in some way.
But your ISO didn't yell town at me.

[Andrius]

OK IM HERE ACCOUNTING IS DEAD AND MOVING BACK TO SCHOOL UNDERWAY.
Going to be

v/LA

Friday to Monday, but there will probably be scattered posting throughout.

Reading from my last post...

I think we should suggest moving EVERYBODY out of the Nexus/Rageatorium/SecludedVilla/Door switch, then lock every door around that 4-room line. Why? then the scum can't kill me to force-replace the door switch operator!!

^_^

This is wrong for the same reason as the Party Room plan.

Explain please.

Magua replaces Nicodemus

What happened to Nicodemus?

The Secluded Villa trio don't have the same issue, because that was at least partially arranged before anyone had role PMs so it's clearly not alignment based. But in general I think we should be figuring out how we want to arrange all the players without deciding who fills which role, and then use some kind of randomising method to decide who goes where.

Oh hi! I think this is the first time playing with you- though I know you modded one of my first Newbie Games... 930 IIRC.
Anyway, Villa is meant to be a pro-town force by putting a bunch of easy-to-read people and very active protown people in a place where they can talk and do Fruity things.

What do you have against Maru at door control? I've heard no argument against it and frankly don't see a reason not to at this point.

Insurance?: WHO NEEDS INSURANCE?

RECK. I HEARD THERE WAS THIS BIG EARTHQUAKE ON THE EAST COAST.
KNOCKED OVER A LAWN CHAIR.

Sorta, but I faraday and andrius butt buddies kinda called dibs on that shit pre-game.

Naw its all about Mina. <3

It offends me that A) you haven't read the rules and B) you didn't believe me when I told you what they were and STILL couldn't read them but had to run to the Mod for confirmation. But I'm in a really pissy mood today so.

I read the rules. I just forgot crap like that in the heat of the moment. Good ideas, you know.
Sorry. :/

I'm not seriously opposed either Maruchan.

There's something I want to debate in Feysal's block of text but I'll withhold it until we can make fruit salad in the villa.

Now don't you forget about me! Strategy is something I excel at, and I want in. No offense to hito, but in Stars Aligned III the cult worked around and punched loopholes into his plans for much of the game, and Andrius should remember I was responsible for much of that. I'm not going to miss out on this chance to do what I do best.

I have not forgotten, and would be fine with you in the Villa. We can make it work. You were definitely the brains in the Cult with VP; Spy and I were the Insanity Sponges. 8P

The Secluded Villa serves another purpose I've not seen anyone mention yet: claiming. Our power roles will want to share their information for it to be useful, but they won't want flashing neon signs over their heads saying "I'm a power role, kill me!" In the Secluded Villa they will have the chance to at least claim to reasonably trusted players, and if it results in their death... it tells us someone in the villa was probably not worthy of being trusted.

REMEMBER COURT OF THE GODS?
REMEMBER DGB/ANDY?
YEAH.

The Villa is my home.

To give an example, my mafia buddy hitogoroshi somehow talked Andrius into lying for him in Court of the Gods. Excuse me if I don't take your ability to read each other accurately for granted.

No, I got

him

to lie for me- I got him to fakeclaim Vig to protect my ass.
Yeah old news and whatnot shot Equi over hito but old news.

Why the hell are you claiming VT now?
Why on earth.
I mean, townpoints for that for sure but shit.
Reminds me of me before I got somewhat good at this game.

OK WHO ALL IS DOING THE VILLA SO I CAN MOVE THEM AND THEY CAN MOVE ME?

Two people moved Maru to the Villa- pay attention dammit no wasting chits.

Reck I don't distrust your ability to coordinate with Fate its just he doesn't want to be there-
WAIT
THE MONASTARTY IS BULLETPROOF.

I HAD AN INCEPTION.

REGFAN THANKS FOR THE MOVE. <3
I have chits who needs to be moved and where?

Hey zoraster are those circles around the names on the map necessary? It just makes things busier IMO. Names should be fine.

HESHIN A GO GO BABY!

Vote: Amrun

Complaining about ten pages. Read SAIII darlin'. Ten pages a day was a minimum for D1.

What the hell are Maru and Klazam doing moving each other around now?

Maru's going to sit in the door control room and be awesome. Klazam is sitting in the move-watching room and be more awesome.

I think LB and I should move each-other to Rageatorium. And Andrius and someone else should do the same. R2 or thereabouts we can get Fate/xRx/whoever those two can read well into the Rageatorium. Then we can do a little dance around door, rage, villa that is awesome and wonderful.

Hey, Andrius???

Yes? Did you want me to move you with us?
Because I'd be fine with that.
Or were you saying "not andrius". :/

YOU ARE POSTING PAGES WORTH WHILE I'M TRUDING THROUGH THIS, AREN'T YOU? There are now ten pages. Yeah.

IS THIS TO ME?

Plum, so you're voting Reck because of the "villa is dumb but SDC should be all up in it?" deal right?

hito is supertown. And easy to read, so yeah he's town kthx.

Why don't you like Plum?
Shaking things up a little is scummy now?

I don't like that Fate is trying to be obvtown, and that he's in the Panic Room

I don't like how you're pointing out some stupid V/LA issue.
People are moving back to college.
YOU are V/LA
But I agree with the quoted block.

OH AND SDC WOULDN''T PULL THE WOOL OVER EYES OF OTHERS? I mean seriously, do I have to frrakking explain this one and how disingenuous you're being?

Yeah I agree Amrun [?] that the rage is unbecoming of her (esp. here) but its not like scum-motivated I don't think. And I'd like to think I know Plum well enough.

Amrun - I'd like to go to the rage because it looked like someone was wanted under Hito's plan to cycle through it and the Villa to complement Andrius, and I'd be fine with that. I like Andrius and I think I'd be decent at reading him.

Plum you want in you got it I'll move you.

I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which.

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.

/inb4lynchonethentheotherifthefirstflipstown

Is there a LLD case out there or do I have to subscribe to the newsletter?

Why is Fate in the Panic room again? And why did we let this happen? No one should be in that room right now.

Because he got his SDC to move him.

Why is Fate in the Panic room again? And why did we let this happen? No one should be in that room right now.

I agree, but seemingly others have other ideas...

tclawren, WHY is Maruchan obvious town? Because he offered himself up? That is 100% null.

Alot of things. Because he claimed unannounced.
Scum wouldn't lock themselves into a vanilla claim this early in the game and offer to get locked into one room at this point.
That's how I see it at any rate.
I'm not saying I condoned the VT claim but it happened and we just deal with it.

I also think NS is off to a good start though I don't like his nitpicking (which he admitted he's cranky today or whatnot so I'll let it slide for now).

OK IM GOING TO FIND THE CODE TO MOVE PLUM THEN GET AMOVING ON THAT (C WUT I DID THAR) AND THEN COME BACK AND WORK.

Vote: Nautilius

I don't like how they threw chits at moving Fate to the BP room and maybe its because Nacho's not here and his title and all but I don't like Nautilius so far.
I don't condone fate hiding in the corner either but fate does crazy shit so whatever for now.