Herodotus wrote:Though on a related note, if xvart flips mafia roleblocker today, I think all the protective roles should let you shoot Yos2 tonight. His defense of xvart yesterday would merit that.
Yos2 was never confirmed town to me, just someone I couldn't investigate (after assuming he would be shot on Night 1).
I was hoping the scum would assume I had the same ability regarding Ludi as he claimed to have regarding me, so I never suspected him, though I considered investigating him. I wasn't sure about the strategic value of softclaiming unrecruitable, but figured it would help.
The cult docs needed to target the vigs after they claimed. Vigs are the most powerful roles. In fact, I was surprised that I was being roleblocked instead of the vigs (or cult docs). It almost gave Kinetic's cult a meta advantage, as I was saying to myself that Yos2 would insist on blocking the vigs.
Just because a majority of a group of people decide it's okay doesn't mean it's not murder. - Cobblerfone
Oh, you should feel good about blocking me. I investigated each of Zdenek and Conspiracy the night before they were lynched. (I wasn't looking forward to having to claim that!)
Just because a majority of a group of people decide it's okay doesn't mean it's not murder. - Cobblerfone
Flameaxe, were you a tracker? Your questions about when you were recruited made me suspect that you knew that I had investigated you (which made you look relatively bad).
Just because a majority of a group of people decide it's okay doesn't mean it's not murder. - Cobblerfone
Actually, Kinetic, I blocked Yos2 on night one, so I think someone else messed with you thing there (and blocked bvoigt on last night)
I thought it was impossible for me to block the cult recruiters from my pm, as it stated that the place 'was too hot to handle for one officer acting alone', which was rather misleading if not true.
Also, sad I failed town here more so than winning. I was actually pretty spot on about Yos2, and xvart, just got sidetracked a little. bah.
Ok. Well, I thought I played ok, gave due dilligence to most, was actually surprised and sad when DGB flipped town, she was acting very erratic. The cult docs should not have been on herod after my gambit, as they were just wasting their time.
Yeah, there were a (rare) handful of ways Cult Leaders could have died/been targeted. Most of it had to do with locations, but I'm not revealing the exact mechanics in case I want to use it again in the future...
I do agree with Yos, I think I just about got the balance right on this one (like the first Succession game, every faction had at least one oh-shit-we're-going-to-lose-for-sure moment, which is a good sign). I probably should have gone back with my original instinct for 3 Vigs, 1 Unrecruitable.
Chronopie dying early REALLY hurt town; his special ability could have revealed scum associations by 'eavesdropping' on Night Actions/QuickTopics. For example, if he'd targeted Yosarian, he'd have gotten that he had contact with Kinetic during the Night. Boom. And yeah, the massclaim was a bad idea (massclaims are almost always colossally bad ideas in Flay Games). I might have claimed some sort of unrecruitable if I were Cobblerfone, but otherwise he was right to claim VT.
Cult Docs did an okay job, but really the worst part of Town power was the hideously offtarget Vigilantes. Battousai alone killed 4 Town players
before
he was recruited... I really thought ooba was going to nail him to the wall after seeing him with springlullaby. Overall though, I think Town didn't do too badly, except for those two things. You did an excellent job of nailing ABR's team, for example. Assuming Yos2 was conftown because of the JK was kinda though...
Modnotes: Stump: No vote. Directs Night Actions. If they lose their last ally, the faction automatically surrenders. N0 this White Flag rule does not apply, if they fail to recruit anyone successfully.
Modnotes: Stump: No vote. Directs Night Actions. If they lose their last ally, the faction automatically surrenders. N0 this White Flag rule does not apply, if they fail to recruit anyone successfully.
Modnotes: If both Dancers are recruited, both are arrested for a Night.
Modnotes: Prevents Night Actions by non-Stumps. Flavor depends on which RB it is. If both Dancers are recruited, both are arrested for a Night.
Modnotes: May target a building, which will kill one person at random inside.
Modnotes: Tries to talk people out of joining the Mafia. Does not know if it worked. Protection lasts for 1 Night for Bartender.
Modnotes: May also target a building, which will kill one person at random inside.
Modnotes: If both Cops are recruited, both are fired for corruption.
Modnotes: Prevents Night Actions, but also makes target untargetable. Stumps are immune to both effects. If both Cops are recruited, both are fired for corruption.
Modnotes: May prevent one NK/JK, but JK is retargeted to them. Multiple NKs will result in their death as well as the target.
Modnotes: Can only stop 1 NK per night; cannot protect self. If both Doctor and Pharmacist are recruited, both are fired for corruption.
Modnotes: Tries to talk people out of joining the Mafia. Does not know if it worked. Protection lasts for 2 Nights for the Priest.
Modnotes: Results are locations, not people.
Modnotes: Targets locations, not people. Targeting a Stump will reveal himself to the Stump as being just outside.
Modnotes: Gets name of one person that role interacted with overnight (not Kills). If recruited, he does NOT get to 'meet the team', but instead only talks to the Stump. Can be recruited away to the other side! If given the names of a side accidentally, will have to be NKed by the former team.
Modnotes: Prevents Night Actions by non-Stumps. Flavor depends on which RB it is.
Modnotes: Kills anybody who tries to target him for a NK (or JK, if he's at home).
Modnotes: 50% chance to stop someone from dying by NK (except Army Vet's retaliation). Cannot protect self. If both Doctor and Pharmacist are recruited, both are fired for corruption.
Mr. Flay wrote:Assuming Yos2 was conftown because of the JK was kinda though...
(shrug) The only way I could have been scum was if Kenetic targeted me night 0, and that's only, what, a 1/20 chance? Come on, how likely is that?
Heh. If I was Kinetic, I wouldn't have recruited me on night zero. I was almost lynched day 1 just on the WIFOM of "of course the scum would want to recruit Yos".
Also, I was able to act really pro-town for quite a while; as I mentioned in the quicktopic, I was doing good scumhunting on the other scum group and was pushing for all the Albert-scum lynches. In fact, I kind of doubt that the ABR culties would have been all been lynched if I had been lynched day 0.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
Magister Ludi wrote:Also, sad I failed town here more so than winning. I was actually pretty spot on about Yos2, and xvart, just got sidetracked a little. bah.
Yeah I was sweating the second wagon that popped on me. I had been struggling due to work related issues affecting my ability to keep in large games, even more so to push phoney cases. The one thing I was trying to lead my attackers into looking into or asking was comparing my play to the last game when I was recruited early. I didn't want to be like "oooohh self meta" so I kept dropping little things like that to try and get someone to say "wait, how did xvart play as cult" even though it would have only been a one game meta sample. I felt (and still do) bad about my lack of activity but even once my work settled down and once I got out from under the second wagon I felt, unfortunately, that I kind of had to keep it going.
I was having a lot of fun with the RBer speculation and was laughing at Flameaxe being accused of being the RBer. When Flameaxe refused to claim I was trying so hard to pin the RBer on him without being obvious about "he's hiding scummy actions" since that is exactly why I didn't claim. I was trying so hard to get someone to say he could be a RBer; I was waiting on Hero to jump on it and claim he had been RBed; which is why I suggested a redirector instead of RBer.
I also want to say that I think the conversation about me being hard to lynch on D1 cursed me. Although flattering, I literally got lynched in more games the next two weeks than I had my entire previous MS tenure.
I couldn't believe Yos2 defending me like he did. As has been said, that was a pivotal moment and one of those risk/reward scenarios that worked perfectly. I don't I would ever have the balls to do something like that.
I also was having severe paranoia about there actually being a mafia faction in the game, mostly because of Cobbler's late game claim since I had RBed (confined) him two nights (one of which DGB blocked me). I laughed when Flay asked me if I cared if I died in the final scene because at that point I knew his claim was real and the irony was lulz.