Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[tclawren]

>.>

<.<

*goes off to read up*

[Magua]

Zoraster hates Lost Butterfly's

freedom

gambit.

[Llamarble]

1. Still require explanation from LB of why they set our door control operation back by a turn.
2. If LB is actually town then scum haven't messed with our stuff at all, which means we're probably doing something that they like.

[Lost Butterfly]

2. seems incorrect, especially if they decide to mess with us early it's possible they can be caught out.

[tclawren]

OK.

Not much has really changed, which is quite surprising considering the number of pages that I just

skimmed

read thoroughly.

Nothing that Amrun has done is telling me that she's town. So that read still hasn't changed and I will keep my vote here.

LLD looks better now. Pains me a little bit to say that.

I don't like Plum's wall. It feels a little forced to me. I'll have to keep my eyes on her.

Iam is scummy, but I don't need to tell you guys that. Probably will be the lynch for today.

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I sent in this move

#MOVE

Player to Move

: tclawren

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N

[Faraday]

3/4 of those are things I am thinking.

[Lost Butterfly]

3/4 of those are things I am thinking.

Me too, sexy.

[SodaSpirit17]

Why did no one ask if LB had a killing ability. He woulda gotten trapped in a lie.

[Lost Butterfly]

What the hell are you talking about what

[Lost Butterfly]

ALSO WE'RE FEMALE. OKAY? MINA MAKES ME WEAR A DRESS WHEN WE HYDRA.

[Nautilius]

is it better to stretch out lynches as many as rounds as whatever or does it not matter?
readwise
lady up, soda down.
Saw amrun hate looking into that.

[Lost Butterfly]

We're ending the day before the scum get their free moves.

[Nautilius]

free moves? >.>
yeah I haven't thought about the game yet, midgame etc.

so when are we lynching iam (daywise). I don't think I need to put in much effort yet etc.

[Lost Butterfly]

Like within the next 5 days real time, I think.

[Nautilius]

bu game i meant boardgame btw

[iamausername]

I've never been the easy target before! Fun!

(Well, not on this account, anyway.)

absolutely nothing about "why would scum-ns to be motivated to post something like this?" and everything about "wow I bet he can't justify that! yay!" = lurkerscum looking for something indefensible instead of looking for scum

Just because I didn't explain why scum would be motivated to post something like that doesn't mean I wasn't thinking about it. I was employing a tactic that I use in pretty much every fuckin' game I play, which goes like this:

I find it generates far more useful information to point something out and say "this is scummy", and see how everybody reacts to that,

then

explain why, than to immediately drop a detailed explanation for my reads.

Anyway, here is the statement we were talking about:

I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which.

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.

I asked him to justify it, because I don't see any motivation for

town

to post something like this.

In general, "X and Y have different alignments" is pretty much always a bullshit statement unless there's conflicting role stuff going on. "X and Y are not scum together" would be fine, but there's nothing suggesting that they can't be town together, and implying otherwise is bunk.

When accompanied by "I guess it'll become more evident as the game goes on", it's super scummy, because if you really thought one or the other of the two is scum, wouldn't you make some kind of effort to separate them?

Why did Nobody Special completely ignore my request that he justify my statement, and all the other questions I asked him? Why did he say nothing about me until a nice fat wagon formed that he could easily hop onto with no explanation, because hey, everybody else is doing it? Why is everybody giving him carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he likes because he "always looks scummy"? These are more questions I would like to see answered. Especially the last one.

Maybe it's just that it sets me on edge whenever anyone repeatedly addresses the town as "we," as in "We as a town clearly must lynch this player." It often comes across as pompous or trying too hard to include oneself in the group.

Are you serious?

Spoiler: EL OH FUCKING EL

G3. Campfire: Nontrusted players. The campfire is a powerful tool, but

we

need to figure out the optimal usage of it. I’m not sure how to do this.

Security room & Move Checker should both be used.
Electric chair should be used, probably D2 or D3 so

we

have some info to direct it but also the spare manpower to use it while using other good stuff.
FAST LYNCHES-ISH.

We

don't want any days to last to a point where mafia start getting to move everyone around at will.

DON'T ALL RUSH THE POTION ROOM 'CAUSE THAT WILL MAKE SCUM HAPPY FUNTIME + SHORT DEADLINE.

I think

we

should be very public about who is moving who where.
Scum can coordinate much better than

we

can otherwise.
And if there's no 'A is supposed to make move B' scum have much more license to screw around.
If people are obvtown

we

can give them potions/purplechips/panicroom.

Still thinking about stuff.

We

all need to agree on someone to move to door control straight away. They need to open C/D4 long enough for another elected player to be moved to the security room. C/D4 doesn't need to be reopened until

we

're all ready to use the electric chair.

We

should also elect three players to stand on the switch for the first day so if the electric chair ever goes of

we

have a good idea where to look if something goes wrong.

When all of this is in place players should be able to move freely into the secluded villa at their own will. The party room, the monastery and nexus seem relatively harmless and I don't see any particular reason to organize visits to either of these places, people should be fine to go from one to the other freely. On the other hand we should be voting players that everyone has shared suspicion on to move to the campfire. Tipping point is something that I'm failing to comprehend, I see no benefit for any player to visit it and would advice against anyone going there until

we

discuss it some more.

We

should be electing players that we trust not just to be town but also to vote correctly and not just tunnel of on their own to be in the ragetorium. The Panic room is less important, as long as someone is there that

we

don't suspect it's fine. Move checker, the war room and the potion room are going to be our biggest assets and

we

need to have our strongest town-reads there without a doubt.

So to summarize:
•

We

need to elect town-reads and trustworthy players to stand in Door Control, Security Room, Switch, Rageorium, Move Checker, War Room and Potion Room.
•

We

need to elect scum-reads and untrustworthy players to stand in Campfire overnight.
• People should be able to visit Secluded Villa, Party Room, Nexus, Monastery and Panic Room freely and Tipping Point should be out of bounds.

And i thought i read everything multiple times. Ah well.

we

should go with the llama's suggestion. Wouldnt it be better if nobody is in the switch? that ensures

we

dont waste a shot.

I think overall

we

can mostly force what

we

want to to happen during the day with scum being able to screw up maybe one thing.

We

should start somebody toward door control asap since it will take awhile to make that happen and then move somebody to the security room.

Can

we

please have no stupid gambit stuff with town lying about moves? Doing all of this publicly will make globally pro-town movesets very doable.

And those are just the ones on the first page! It is literally incredible that you would try to use this as any kind of legitimate tell.

And as far as I can see, those are the only votes on me that have any justification whatsoever, so. Besides "lurking", and if anyone really thinks that the game is going to be won by lynching anyone who can't post a million times at all times of the day, every day, then I don't even know.

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That's all the energy I'm going to expend on defending myself, so if you're into that, enjoy it while you can.

Spoiler: Amrun

#239 - I'm glad somebody shares my paranoia about Maruchan. The fact that she says this even after I'd gotten a whole bunch of heat for the same reason already reads as a strong town tell to me.

#296 - This one is a little bothersome; there's too much attention paid to reiterating the fact that she had already mentioned her scumread on Maru, it doesn't really come across as genuine.

On the whole, though, getting a gut town read from her posts, and the towntell above is much, much stronger than the scumtell above, so she's probably town.

Spoiler: Andrius

#234 is one of those 'eyes slip off the page' posts. I've read it a couple of times, but I don't seem to have taken anything away from it. Blah.

#234 - "I'm easily readable" is akin to "You can't meta me, I have no meta!" as far as absurd things to say about oneself go. Can't really see any more reason for scum to say it than town, but it annoys some part of my brain.

Feels very go-with-the-flow-ish, really didn't see any particularly strong stances being taken. Yeah, I see what Amrun was getting at when she balked at all the town cred he seems to be getting.

Spoiler: Baby Spice

#279 - If I'm reading this correctly, then score one more for my Maru paranoia being justified.

Baby Spice hasn't said a lot, but I'm pretty sure there's a soft claim there that scum wouldn't have any motivation to make, so I think she's town.

Spoiler: Fate

He's playing like a jester, obviously, but that's totally in character, so. The only thing he's shown interest in so far is survival, which is scummy, of course, but I'm sure it'll be forgiven once he actually starts playing the game. I just hope that will happen sooner rather than later.

Spoiler: Feysal

#438 - To Andrius, re: Secluded Villa: "if your voice is not heard in the thread, people will have doubts about whether they can trust you." Something about this strikes me as off. I think it's that Feysal doesn't seem to be at all concerned about whether people

should

trust Andrius.

#495 - There's quite a lot of "I'll decide more about this person later" kind of things, which stray close to my number #1 favourite 100% accurate scum tell, but nothing that I'd call definitive. His Llamarble comment is the worst in that regard.

But yeah, he seems awfully reluctant to give any solid town reads here, and I see a distinct lack of any drive to see any particular person lynched. I think it's quite likely that he is scum using strategy to look active and useful. Need to see a lot more scumhunting from him.

Spoiler: hitogoroshi

#16 - "In general, the more complex a plan gets the worse it's gonna be." I'm generally avoiding calling scum/town tells on strategy discussion, because I think that stuff is far easier for scum to fake than real scumhunting, but advocating this as a guiding principle is definitely the most pro-town strategic concern that anyone has espoused.

#507 - I'm not sure why this comes across as town to me when I disagree with almost all of the reads he's giving here, but nonetheless, this post really reads as town to me.

Spoiler: Klazam

[url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3378972]#354 - "
IMPORTANT POINT IN THIS GAME:

Sound, protown strategy DOES NOT mean the player is protown. Look for townies based on tone, scumhunting, and actions."

Given that Klazam is one of the chief strategists, it seems like a towntell for him to say this.

But he needs to put his money where his mouth is; I see a whole lot of strategy and little to no scumhunting in his iso so far.

Spoiler: Lady Lambdadelta

No specific posts to highlight, but I've got a pretty strong town read from her posting in general. Doesn't seem to be operating from any hidden agenda

And fuck it, I'm gonna stop there for now, this game is depressing me. I'll get to the rest probably tomorrow. If I'm not DEAD already!

If I am, please use my death as a cautionary tale and consider the possibility that lynching everyone who is not able to post a thousand words per hour, all day every day, may not actually be the best strategy to locating scum.

[Nautilius]

oh great, Plum's scum, that's going to be a pain...

[tclawren]

@iam: who's scum? (besides NS)

[Klazam]

LB- you still need to post a explantion to why you moved Maru.


Iamaus- Yup. I need to focus on scumhunting more. thats why i'm not participating in strategy talks so far. I'm rereading, picking out towntells and scumtells. I'm almost done.

[Lost Butterfly]

@iam: who's scum? (besides NS)

Um, please don't ask filler questions to make yourself look active (he's clearly getting to it)

[Lost Butterfly]

LB- you still need to post a explantion to why you moved Maru.

This reminder is unnecessary.

[iamausername]

@iam: who's scum? (besides NS)

I'll tell you when I've finished reading everyone, but

iamausername ( 8 ) Nautilius, SodaSpirit17, Fate, Plum, Lost Butterfly, hitogoroshi, Maruchan, Nobody Special,

(L - 3 )

at least one of them is in here.

Also Feysal. I think.

[Nautilius]

wooooo

Unvote, Vote Plum

[Lost Butterfly]

I asked him to justify it, because I don't see any motivation for town to post something like this. In general, "X and Y have different alignments" is pretty much always a bullshit statement unless there's conflicting role stuff going on. "X and Y are not scum together" would be fine, but there's nothing suggesting that they can't be town together, and implying otherwise is bunk.When accompanied by "I guess it'll become more evident as the game goes on", it's super scummy, because if you really thought one or the other of the two is scum, wouldn't you make some kind of effort to separate them?Why did Nobody Special completely ignore my request that he justify my statement, and all the other questions I asked him? Why did he say nothing about me until a nice fat wagon formed that he could easily hop onto with no explanation, because hey, everybody else is doing it? Why is everybody giving him carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he likes because he "always looks scummy"? These are more questions I would like to see answered. Especially the last one.

Looks like you're trying to pin him with garbage that on the surface looks scummy but actually isn't.

[Klazam]

wooooo

Unvote, Vote Plum

Clarify.

LB- I'm still waiting for your explanation.