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[xvart]

1. How often do you feel you use meta as an argument in Mafia?
2. Do you prefer proactive (using as a reason to investigate a player's actions) or reactive (using to backup/contradict what a player did) meta?
3. How often are you to research meta on a player whose meta you don't know in the game?
4. Do you prefer to use meta to defend a player as being town, or attack them for being scum?

1. The only time I will use meta is when someone suspicious says something unique and I'll ask them or research myself (depending on how specific it is) for examples;
   
2. Reactive, as outlined previously;
   
3. Never; and,
   
4. Attack them for being scum.

Forgot to subscribe.. meh.

VOTE: Katsuki

I hear it's fun to sheep Fate.

Mindlessly getting on a wagon, blatantly buddying, while being able to blame others.

FATE Y U DO THIS?
U SAY U FIND SCUM, YET VOTE KATSUKI?!
Katsuki is obvious vig bait,y not go after scum first?

Why no vote here? This is a legitimate scum tell and you vote random?

VOTE: Bunnylover

[xvart]

#1 sounds like a lot of interesting flavor for just a townie; #2 sounds like an alternate wincon.

This I agree with. It reminds me a lot of SoS mafia and Zoraster's third party claim.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nocman

Ellibereth, if you're trying to use scare tactics, they're not working. You are asking several people for claims in lieu of proper scumhunting, which is scummy.

Not to mention you've asked for a half dozen claims, so unless you have six bullets that can be fired in a single day I don't see what you're going for other than role fishing or pointless reaction fishing.

@Xvart:
What do you mean "legitimate scum tell"?
I was asking why Fate decided to vote someone out of spite instead of voting someone he thought was scum (HE thought was scum).
Or did you think Fate scum read was my scum read?

By legitimate scum tell I mean someone who has identified scum and is voting elsewhere (or RVS voting) instead is a scum tell, which is what you did as well. I assumed that Fate would be a scum read based on what you commented on.

[xvart]

Scum I caught will need to wait, probably until after my vacation ends. Activity restraints etc. etc.

Meanwhile sheeping Elli is the way to go.

Unvote, VOTE: SC

p.s. Elli, you know how we're "good at mafia"? That "group" of people that we don't trust there can't be trusted here as well. Lemme know if you need further explanations.

Caught scum but not voting and then sheeping Fate? Seriously? Even if you don't have time to explain your "caught scum" you can still vote them and then provide your case later. Or, here's a shocker, leave your vote where it was presumably because it was on someone you thought was scum.

UNVOTE: VOTE ELLIBERETH

You need some votes so you stop acting like an idiot. Or scum trying to fake VI.

At least Noc is making an effort.

It's pretty hard to fake being a VI when you have a significant posting history so I don't really buy that as a good reason to vote; plus voting for someone to make them straighten up? Plus, "at least Noc is making an effort" meaning at least someone you think is scummy is making an effort so isn't lynch worthy? None of this post sits well.

OH. I ALMOST FORGOT.

XVART IS SCUM.

PBT 1 - xvart scum
PBT 2 - xvart scum
PBT 3 - xvart ??? ... SCUM!

Xvart, do you LIKE being scum? O_o

lol. I don't particularly like being scum anymore.

The fact that both Reckoner and xvart are voting because of flavor is very fail.

You both played in PBT other game(s)... Shouldn't you KNOW that townies get lots of interesting flavor?

As you pointed out I hadn't received a town role in either of the previous games. I suppose the "secret" type flavor could be "you are out slutting around for hookers in the casino" or something like that. His post just brought back flashbacks of Zoraster claiming to be looking for Joffery.

So who do I have to vote to sheep Fate?

Are you really so lazy that you aren't going to read the thread and you won't even ISO Fate to determine onto whom to sheep? This is a terrible post with the explicit intention of desiring to tell the players you are sheeping Fate (again).

1. You're attempting to build a case on reading into my motivations, and fallaciously suggesting I listed suspicions as an 'out' for voting someone else. That doesn't work. You need to realize that townies will have a pool of players they'd like to lynch, generally ordered based on scumminess, and a much larger pool of players they'd be unsure or unwilling to lynch. Scum players have a small group they're unwilling to lynch, and a large group (everyone not their team) that they'd be willing to lynch, and MORE EQUALLY willing to just kill one of them.

It isn't this simple as scum have a small pool they are not willing to lynch since they have to not only appear to be willing to lynch but also actually be willing to lynch people inside their team.

I present my counter thoughts to the town:
Blackberry is highly unwilling to commit. To wagons, to voting other people, and lets other people lead.
He pays a lot of attention to people's emotions and seems to seek tacit approval from the voting behind the aforementioned lead of others.

I find the lack of actual defense lacking and the amount of player discrediting disturbing.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bogre

David is also doing a nice job of not posting any content other than buddying up to the most vocal person in the game.

[xvart]

Xvart: your case on Bogre is the lack of a defense?

Even though I think that's not a good case, it's still a better reason than most others who have hopped on his wagon have given.

No, it's the lack of defense but more importantly the subsequent attacking the accuser; like a character assassination to undermine the suspicions laid out.

Where in the fuck did this "sheep fate" come from?

It should be obvious that I meant Elli and not Fate. Now care to respond now that I've explicitly clarified what was already obvious?

So...
This means that abilities are triggered such as food/beverages? Killing = poison/spiked drinks? What do you think about your role with regards to that?

Also, does the waiter count as casino staff? Aren't casino workers essentially the mafia? Though does a waiter count as that, or a different group?

I'm okay with the claim as itself, but the flavor behind it really concerns me.

I really don't like this line of questioning. It feels like feigned ignorance.

Hammer away.

[xvart]

Reck - you're not. He will die tomorrow.

[xvart]

What the fuck. Four new pages. Drunk as a skunk. Will post tomorrow.

[xvart]

Though I have another vote in mind depending on what happens in the next page or two.

I would like elaboration on this.

I just wish this wagon gets to claim range asap and myko can claim and depending of the claim we lynch or we get another wagon.

Fate should also stop wasting our time (the wagon is sooner or later going to hit claim range) and claim if myko should stay alive, etc.

There is no independent thought in this post. "we" "we" "us" "our"... Trying very hard to identify with the majority of the town and blatantly saying "I'm doing whatever everyone else is."

Fuck I don't want this Fatelynch to wait until tomorrow.

But this needs roping. Bad.

UNVOTE, VOTE: MYK

Why are you waiting on Fate lynch and where did your suspicion come from?

YOU
ARE
FUCKING
SHITTING
ME

IN THAT CASE

UNVOTE, VOTE: RECK

I CAN'T POSSIBLY BE WRONG ABOUT BOTH OF THEM CAN I??
ELLI HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
(He is playing like he did in a game where I had him caught D1, doubt I'm wrong here)

Hey, here's an idea. How about less emphasis on "I caught him D1" and more emphasis on relevant things like which game that was and why the behavior is similar; and when this behavior became apparent in this game that you just now noticed that it was identical to the previous unnamed game.

VOTE: Katsuki

Unvote or I will lynch you.

Do you have 13 votes or something?

Fine, LYNCH ME, Dram is scum.

Is this one of those times when a scum person is under suspicion and getting votes and starts screaming for the rafters "hey my scumbuddy is scum I know it but can't articulate why but HE IS SCUM?"

[xvart]

God this game.
This wagon is terribad.

Elli needs to post.

Reck is most likely scum. So is xvart.
David gives me odd feelings.
Stranger is oddly less passive this game than I've seen him in games past as town. He is also worth keeping an eye on.
Bunny probably needs death for his first post in the game.

Keep an eye on Fate. His play still seems off to me, even with the mason claim.

Since I'm sure there's probably someone out there willing to hammer,

ROLECLAIM: Emma Hammond, Blackjack Dealer, VT

Been rather apathetic to mafia lately, which probably has contributed quite a bit to my uselessness.
Plus thems SDC have all been either absent, or scummy.

For those who are curious, my entire D1 play was based around pushing for a Fatescum lynch, but I had been holding back because I was at the end of my vacation and close to leaving, aka not much time to go 1v1 with Fate.
I found both Reck and Fate scummy, but as said, I didn't have the time to push the Fate lynch, and I wasn't entirely sure they were BOTH scum.


But yeah, best move for town would probably be to lynch me now since I haven't really been able to get into this game, nor do anything useful for town.
Fate you still fucking suck at reading me if you're town. You've never once read me correctly in a game.

Good luck guys.

I don't buy the passive aggressive "my wagon is terrible" and here are no reasons why it is terrible other than player x is likely scum, so is player y, blah blah blah. Humor us with a tiny tidbit of why you thought Fate was scum since you've been dancing around your scum read on him pretty much all game.

I still don't buy the mason claim. Just need to wait for the right night to prove it wrong. Just you wait Fate, my vote will be back as harmless as it is now.
At the moment I'm going through with this all wrong, I need to find your third buddy to have any support for your lynch or just wait.

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

What the hell is this?

I am really supposed to take this wagon on me seriously considering the people who flash mobbed it?

[xvart]

Okay; good to know. The people on my wagon:
Fate - running up wagons on people he doesn't think is scum just to get a claim
Reck - no reasons, no real contributions
Bunnylover - lol at this vote
jackalope - lol at this vote, too
katsuki - scum
ellibereth - only seems to care about getting people to claim

Seems like a lot of people just wanting to sit at the "cool kids table" so no, I don't really take it seriously considering the reasons of their current vote (or lack thereof), their stated motivations for voting (or lack thereof) or their previous voting history/motivations and reasons provided for those. Katsuki is the only one that is certified scum, but I haven't gone back to parse out who else might be.

[xvart]

Yes, it's unfortunate that there is little to actually analyze from the lack of substance provided. I guess the question I should ask you is do you actually think I am scum or are you just calling me scum to run up my wagon for the LOLZ?