Modern Family Mafia - Game Over, Man.

[Farrun]

So yeah, mith told me I fucked up and signed it up as a main. >.>

Thanks to him, it works now!

[Farrun]

oh my i just got all the home movies done for our family.
I saw Alex do the most god awful thing you could imagine.
I'm doing this to save myself from his awful play.

vote: CSL

[Farrun]

Grimmjow is town. Stop it.

What an easy target.

VOTE: CSL[/vote

What is it that you see? Buddying, vague suspicion, etc.

[Farrun]

Oops.

VOTE: CSL

These are Amrun, btw.

This head is going v/la for the weekend (until Tuesday) due to holiday.

[Farrun]

Oops.

VOTE: CSL

These are Amrun, btw.

This head is going v/la for the weekend (until Tuesday) due to holiday.

This is the farside head. I have the same issue. I will be out of town with no computer access till Tuesday.

[Farrun]

Vote: Katsuki

It is always the small children.

Wait, what the hell?

Vote:Spyrex

cuz Hayley's a fuckin idiot and I can see her being scum.

V/LA for the weekend

Now that that's out of the way:

Unvote; Vote: Grimmjow

Anyone who sees what I see gets a cookie and a town read.

Why did you see grim's post but ignore Nexus whom speculated as well?

Do you know how reck is as a mod?

Well yeah, obviously you're not scum with me this game.

I had that much figured out at least.
Which means I get to hang you this game~
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Disclaimer that I forgot at the start of game: I've never even so much as heard of Modern Family before. So yeah, no flavor knowledge at all.

This makes no sense.

I'll admit to having little to no case on CSL.

glowball, however, is different. She's trying to lynch gandalf

for his avatar alone.

If she's town, that's anti-town, if she's scum, well.

What the hell was the fos for then?


As of post 100 I want to vote NS for his AtE. Also gut doesn't like his response to the questioning.


Glowball post 104 Seriously girl it's one vote. Can you tone down the why me a bit?

@LL: Why Glowball? Why did you switch off of Grim?


As of post 117 I don't like Nexus. First it's the CSL comment, where I want to call the kettle black. And Glow comments that really don't tell me what is scummy.

I'm back. I don't like this glowball wagon, it makes sense. Except that would be 4.
And I dont like that.

what?
You don't like it but it makes sense. Please explain what sense it makes to you? What you agreed with?

you could put your vote on gandalf. THat's totally worth it.

hello useless fluff

Anyway, I fully expected you to toss a vote onto me, because you've already shown how uncomfortable you are when people question your actions. I just didn't think you'd be so blatant about it.

Not uncomfortable, I call this glow being bitchy. It's the unfortunte town part of her that most find scummy.

@Nexus; Claim is provable. You can have your cake if you think Glow is scum but lynching him without spyrex's vote, and direct the kill.

I think Glow's town, so if people are going to push on one of the 3rd worse cases in 2 months then do it without me.

I don't, for a minute, believe that claim.

At all.

Why?

Ohh hells no we're not "testing" that on the chance this is true.

why?

I did answer the question NS.

----

You've got a real misconception of what "arrogance" is.

If you'd like a much better idea of it go ahead and look at 161.

The role oozes not scum though. Thats the problem.

Lets see first speculating about SK, then not willing to prove the role? This doesn't sound like the Spyrex town I know and love.


Okay I'm thinking Kats is actually town as of post 189. Kuribo looks to be scum hunting, thinking and comparing notes ++ town points.

Glow is the unfortunate town that I don't like some people whom are pushing.

I'm against it because I'm not sold on this - the risk/reward there is really high risk AND that doesn't eliminate SK possibilities.

If we're lynching we lynch right. We don't waste a day to do it.

Explain better.

Oh thank god tclwarn is town. There is hope yet.

Okay scum views:

Leaning scum:
RisingPhonix - useless fluff and following. Does nothing for this game and offered no original point of view
Nexus: I don't like the push from Nexus. He's agressive, which isn't something I expect from scum, but his reasoning seems to be pushing a wagon based more on glows appeal. Plus I don't see anything else from him about why CSL is scummy.
CSL is useless no matter what I feel about him. But calling out a player for vote hoping when your doing the same is hypocritical.

Scum:

LL - Hello mrs opportunistic BW and using others POV's. She jumped at grim for speculating the set up, but Nexus did the same and it always bothers me when I see a player point out one player over the other.
Spyrex - The fact that Spreyx would like to speculate the set up (in regards to a SK) not want to prove glow's role. This is not spyrex town. He's usually up for people proving their role and scum would more likely want to be rid of a vig then town.

vote: Spyrex

farside

[Farrun]

Catching up now.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

Okay, caught up.

I mostly agree with farside's reads, but I am null on SpyreX (sound familiar, spy?) at this point.

I feel much more strongly about Nexus being scum. glowball claimed vig, and instead of unvoting as is the only sane thing to do, he tested the waters. It said, "Can I get this mislynched?" to me.

Since this actually has a wagon, I'll move our vote there.

VOTE: Nexus

We may be moving back to SpyreX after hydra disccusion timez, depending on how strongly farside feels.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

@SpyreX: So you believe part of the claim from glow, none of the claim, what do you believe and why?

Also according to the last vote count:

Katsuki (1): mothrax
gandalf5166 (1): RisingPhoenix
CSL (1): Farrun
RisingPhoenix (1): tclawren
Grimmjow (1): gandalf5166
glowball (6): Katsuki, Nobody Special, Grimmjow, Lady Lambdadelta, Nexus, SpyreX
Nobody Special (1): CSL
kuribo (1): glowball

Your voting Glowball: There is a way to particle prove the claim. Why are you not thinking about that?

lolscum

lolstupidfuckingscum crap post continuing

Except that you aren't on the glowball wagon. You were voting to lynch Nobody Special. And now, thinking you're unvoting glowball, you're removing your vote. Obviously, you were under the impression that you were voting glowball, because you commented on her wagon before unvoting. (You had no reason to unvote NS in terms of the current conversation, being the lone vote on that player) And with such halfass reasoning about "all the players on her wagon being town?" This is a half-ass statement because statistically, there would almost certainly be at least one scum on any wagon, even a wagon which lynches scum.

bawhahahahahahah. God I don't know whether to put this under why I find CSL a VI or if this is scum post from CSL. (really he's on my ban player list for a reason).

Kuribo: Is there a reason you don't believe or are on the fence with the claim from Glow?

Keep em in your pants boys, you're both town.
Now gandalf/grimm/farrun, however...

Reason's being what?
Oh right giving reason's are beneath scum.

Glowball is nofoolin' town. That post oozes the good stuff. Lets have more of that and less of the madness.

Kuribo is also town.

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CSL is probably scum.

NS is scum though.

Unvote, vote: Nobody Special

And your change of reasoning is what? What about the post says town to you?
Why NS? Well I see the answer about glow, what changed from AtE rant to hey this looks town though? One post does you good these days?

RisingPhonix: Are you always vague or do you not know how to explain what makes a person scummy and what was hypocritical in your view about the post?
If you can't spell out reasoning you look more scummy.

[Farrun]

I could get too insulting even for him.

Keep dreamin

I don't know, keep acting like a dumbass and we'll find out.

...So much context comprehensionn fail...

[Farrun]

... its not on glow?

Stop trying to dodge the question. I consider you a very thoughtful and smart player as town. You want me to dumb it down I will.

Before you switched your vote away from Glow. Before post 208 and your so called town read. You stated the following:

Ohh hells no we're not "testing" that on the chance this is true.

and this

The biggest reason I haven't unvoted while I'm deciding the right direction is IF that's a true statement and mystery hammers happen without me on the wagon I'd be pissed.

1 is not will to test the claim (I'm asking why you would not test the claim)
2. You sound like you believed part of the claim about you not being on the wagon (did you believe during this statement if you believed part of the claim. Why or why not).

Those implying Glow SK. She agreed to be directed. If she doesn't do what the town wants she dies. What part of this does people disagree with.
*Note: this is not outguessing the mod, however scum RB's are normal when I see vigs in the game.

[Farrun]

@LL: I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you noticed Grim's comment about speculation, but ignored Mothrax whom did the same. To why you switched wagons.

[Farrun]

Hey Farside?

Refuge in Audacity. "No Scum would EVER do that, right?"

I'll get to the Glow wagon when I've completed what I want to see.

I never assume scum stupid. Town is stupid.

You have a time scum was stupid. I can show you too many stupid town. Hell I have 3 stupid town in just one game I'm currently in.
Blunt to the point and say yup I did X for brownie points. You lynch Galdoff for that and he flips town can I say I told you so? He flips scum you get an I told you so and yes Galdoff ends up as a PL.

I, never, never ever, would "test" a claim that makes the day end without a lynch if they are telling the truth D1. The only reason the lynch was still a possibility (versus bullets) was the simple fact that, based on what was said, if I stayed on it there would be death.

Yeah I'm not buying your explanation here.

Tell me how this makes sense.

You didn't believe the claim, however you were not willing to test either claim.
That's BS scummy.
Also saying vig = SK is more BS. Your lucky I can not reference ongoing games or I would have your lynch in my hands right now.

unvote:
vote; SpyreX

@LL: So when you said they were both reaction test that was a lie or your deciding not to tell your reasons for why you voted for Glow.
Which is it?

[Farrun]

LL: I'm using your words here:

Both were reaction tests. One was to see who was eager to wagon, and the other was to [redacted for the moment].

I'll get to the Glow wagon when I've completed what I want to see.

I'm withholding for the MOMENT what I obtained from the Glowball vote, because I'm still waiting for something.

Glow wagon is over. Grim wagon is over. You want to get to a point if you have one or why you feel the need to not analysis the wagon you were on for reason's you have yet to say why.

You already have the I want to lynch CSL and Gand so what else is there.

You want to explain or keep saying hey I have a reason you just have to believe me?

[Farrun]

[quote="In post 259,

UNVOTE
VOTE: glowball

The wagon is small enough now that I think those still on it know what they're voting for.[/quote]

Why do you think glow is scum. Who on the wagon do you believe knows what they are doing? LL, NS, Nexus?
You claiming all 3 is a town read to you?

[Farrun]

HEY LETS YELL BECAUSE THATS FUCKING AWESOME.

WHICH PART ARE WE TESTING? THE VIG? WELP YEA WHEN I THINK SOMEONE IS

NOT TOWN

THEM HAVING A SHOT SURE NARROWS OUT SK DOESNT IT.

OR THE NOLYNCH? YEA THAT WOULD BE AWESOME TOO NOW WOULDNT IT

IF IT WERE TRUE

.

GOLLY GEE I DIDNT WANT TO RISK WASTING A LYNCH BY DOING WHAT TEAM AWESOME WAS SUGGESTING BY TESTING AND UNVOTING AND LETTING A WAGON GO THROUGH

WOE IS ME

FUUCKK

See here is my problem with you.
You don't want to test it but your theory is it might be true. That's fence sitting.

That's hey I don't believe it but lets not take any chances and lynch this person because I don't want to take a chance it's true.

Vig claim is either town or SK. Not typically scum and you know that.
Also telling someone you don't feel secure about they need to shoot at whom the town finds scum or your SK is the best way to also test your theory (which is all you had based on no night info).

[Farrun]

YES IT IS FENCE SITTING OHH MAN I DIDNT KNOW FOR SURE IF IT WAS TRUE OR NOT MAAAAN

I SAID DONT LYNCH THEM IF I AM NOT ON THE WAGON BECAUSE THAT IS AN ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY RISK

AND YEA I PRETTY MUCH SAID NOT SCUM DIDNT I

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We've went through this over and over now and I still have no idea what it is you're getting at all.

Fence sitting is scummy.
Wanting to lynch a claimed vig without wanting them to prove their role is scummy.

You can't read or understand then your purposely being obtuse.

[Farrun]

@NS: If I had to guess at Spryex reason's for find you scum this would do it.

I'll admit to having little to no case on CSL.

glowball, however, is different. She's trying to lynch gandalf

for his avatar alone.

If she's town, that's anti-town, if she's scum, well.

You fos'ed CSL with no case or reasoning.

Considering how you played in Court of Gods and comparing this game it's a painful reminder how scummy you come off.

[Farrun]

Before I go to bed. one last question to Spyrex.

What about Glow did you find scummy. All I got from you was thus:

4 what?

I hate RVS because you can never tell when someone else is serious or not, and if you think they're serious and you agree and you join their bandwagon then they're all HERPDERP IT WARN'T NO SRS VOTE DUH and then everything goes to shit and that's all so whatever.

Man, I hate this game. I don't even know why I play.

Now, if you meant the part about welcoming Grimm to mafia, it was in response to his comment.

Hrm.

I was really hoping you'd just have went ahead and waived the "I WAS TALKING ABOUT MY CSL" so we could have bagged and tagged it.

Unvote, Vote: Glowball

Ohh wait we still can

That tells me nothing of your view, reasoning or specifics that lead to you believing Glow was scum.

[Farrun]

Mothrax, why are you strawmanning my posts?

Do you not have anything more concrete to go on?

Please explain how Mothrax strawmaned your post.

All I see is you sitting your vote on Glow without making any cases on anyone and claiming your trying to guage people on reaction? their vote? Reasoning for their vote?
You voting for a scum suspect. Also I'm calling bs to you saying that your vote on Glow is still reaction considering after your vote on her you made 2 post pushing the case.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

@Glow: Sorry about posting from farside. Now that the hubby fixed the monitor I won't be in a hurry to just get a post for the day before leaving for work.

[Farrun]

The gandalf avatar business, the "ohh I hate SpyreX and Kat", the /emo, the lynch me and get it over with business.

Actually, now that you make me think about it, the unlynchable + ohh just lynch me is pretty f--.

How was the gandalf avatar business scummy?
How is emotions scummy?
And finally she stated she was unlynchable only if you were not on the wagon sooo lets not get into that debate again.

[Farrun]

@Farrun: My vote isn't on anyone right now. I'm waiting on something.

Latest vote count shows you on Glow. No where have you unvoted.

[Farrun]

@SpyreX: Are you saying you took this post seriously

There is no reason to wagon Grimmjow. CSL puzzles me. I love Hayley so a Spyrex wagon is a no no. Really the gandalf wagon is the only wagon that matters.

I've seen Papa Zito do something like this for 3 pages or so on me. So for me this is really a bad tell.

The lynch me and get it over with is scummy how? Be specific.

[Farrun]

Hey if we want to lynch some useless and probable scum then we should lynch Mothrax
NS always comes off scummy. Seriously it's always bad, but I would put him up there with mothrax.
You know who else is useless this game LL.

Wow look I have 3 people that is not gandoff.

I'm going with something that I found more curious if we doing useless and scummy.

vote: Mothrax

[Farrun]

OKay I read through these back and forths and really I believe Gandalf is the best lynch for the day that being said I need instructions for the night phase.

If we lynch Mothrax and he is scum I would look to LL/SpyreX (yes I know you can't shot him)/ NS.

Just looking at the early interaction with LL/Mothrax and LL's response later without answering the questions I'm pretty sure their bad scum (there is bad scum vs bad town).

Bad scum.

bussing with weak reasoning
responding with weak defense

Bad town:

*Looks at Glow*

[Farrun]

Except Mothrax is town.

Tell me Farrun, what happened to your read on SpyreX? I thought you had him pegged for obvious scum?

Your not reading my post. He's still on my scum list, I was commenting about the conversation at hand where people were stating who they would lynch.

What about mothrax do you read as town? Why did you never answer my questions I asked before?


@Spy:

I mention PZ as a point of reference. I could name other people but I have seen people do what Glow did and none were ever scum.

Oh look Spy mentions useless players who do nothing but that's okay right LL?

That was an opps my bad moment.

[Farrun]

Hey if we want to lynch some useless and probable scum then we should lynch Mothrax
NS always comes off scummy. Seriously it's always bad, but I would put him up there with mothrax.
You know who else is useless this game LL.

Wow look I have 3 people that is not gandoff.

I'm going with something that I found more curious if we doing useless and scummy.

vote: Mothrax

Wow, textbook deflection, how have you been?

Do you have a case on Gandoff or are you still spewing crap?

[Farrun]

It's just that Amrun/Farside are mistaking incompetence for scum.

Funny I have been saying the above about NS and Gandoff.

@twclarwen: Why CSL?

Same question to Nexus.

I expect better from LL myself then what she's done. She never answered a few of my questions and dodged them. Plus her scum hunting is lack luster to say the least.

Honestly unless these 3 are scum I am betting that scum will continue to push these lynches through the game:

NS/Gandoff/CSL

[Farrun]

My post of #215, plus his last four posts have reeked of not being townness. There is literally no way in which I can see CSL as town. He is so damn scummy it's ridiculous, and I can't fathom why most others are struggling to see it.

Actually that was the best case against CSL. I completely forgot about it.

Let me check something. I have a few issues I need to talk to Armun about.

What's your thought on Gandoff/NS?

[Farrun]

I don't remember enjoying playing with Kuribo as much as I have this moment.
That was exactly the point I was making earlier with useless player beside Gandoff.

I have yet to post the pic of the 3 stooges but I'm getting close.
Also I don't know if the mod said anything here but CSL is on V/LA due to family issues. I found out since I was modding a game he was in.

There needs to be a consensus on whom we find scum. I'm leaning on LL.
Twclarwns most recent post disturbs me by the lack of reasoning. Spy is still one of my favorites.

Let me do the points I have on LL.

Votes from Grim ask others why and promises a cookie.
Claims this was to get reads.
Votes for Glow with no reason.
Claims to be waiting on reads (we have 4 days left till end of day) I call this actively lurking while providing nothing.
Doesn't answer my questions and has no scum suspect list to speak of.

unvote:
vote: LL

[Farrun]

I'm sorry, did Farside just vote hop onto me under pretense of a "compromise lynch"?

Oho~! This is interesting.

Oh this is interesting scum is not reading the points I made.

[Farrun]

I am happy with my vote where it is. I could (probably) be convinced to move my vote to avoid a no lynch.

um wait

no lynch is universally the worst-case scenario for any town... and you're not entirely sure you could be convinced to help avoid it?

Well, I wold love to avoid a no-lynch. I wouldn't vote myself for that, but anyone else? Sure.

I need to reread the God game to see if NS was this bad in that game. It feels like it.

[Farrun]

@SpyreX: So you believe part of the claim from glow, none of the claim, what do you believe and why?

Why NS? Well I see the answer about glow, what changed from AtE rant to hey this looks town though? One post does you good these days?

#208 is town. Town town. Effort and genuineness in just that right mix. Not too hot, not too cold. And, yes, sometimes all it takes is a post to shine it through and that one was tech.

NOW, because of that simple fact glow is town I believe the claim.

Your voting Glowball: There is a way to particle prove the claim. Why are you not thinking about that?

Which part are you talking about? The really bad idea of "proving the claim" by wasting a lynch? Or the "proving the claim" by there being multiple kills?

Either works. It sounded like in one post you believed the part about her lynch not going through if you were not on the wagon but didn't believe the vig ability.
Why?

*mod:

Sorry for posting under farside I'm really behind this morning and wanted to get this post before I left for work.

Either works. It sounded like in one post you believed the part about her lynch not going through if you were not on the wagon but didn't believe the vig ability.
Why?

Where did I insinuate that I didn't believe the vig ability? Because from the getgo that part I believed - the ability to kill, at least.
The other part isn't that OHH SNAP I believe it, again, its what happens if it is right and is "tested".

By keeping your vote on Glow.

Are you saying you keep your vote on someone who's claim you believed? Or you believed part of it and kept the vote on Glow?
In either case why did you keep your vote on Glow?

Mod:

Apologize I'm at work and I don't know the password to the account by heart.

@LL: I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you noticed Grim's comment about speculation, but ignored Mothrax whom did the same. To why you switched wagons.

Did you miss the part where it was a reaction test? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?

So you voted for Glow as a reaction test or from Grim?

Stop trying to dodge the question. I consider you a very thoughtful and smart player as town. You want me to dumb it down I will.

Before you switched your vote away from Glow. Before post 208 and your so called town read. You stated the following:

I think we've went over this already but again:

When I'm talking about "testing" it it was the idea of "lynch Glowball when SpyreX isn't on the wagon"

Lets say Glowball is town. That gets a net result of a nolynch as per what Glowball said.

Claiming the vig shot would be suicidial as scum, so lets assume Glowball is not scum but isn't town. At that point, chances are, she'd STILL be telling the truth for a net result of a nolynch.

Those are bad.

So, it was either a.) stay on the wagon and let the lynch go through (SK) or b.) reparse and if town then unvote.

Glowball then opted to be very, very town so it is b.). To make sure c.) drunken fools lynch that wagon WITHOUT me on it and, like above, it turns into a nolynch didn't happen until that point the vote stayed there.

So you did not at the time wish to test either claim?
Why or why not?
Also why are you paranoid about SK?

@LL: I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you noticed Grim's comment about speculation, but ignored Mothrax whom did the same. To why you switched wagons.

Did you miss the part where it was a reaction test? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?

So you voted for Glow as a reaction test or from Grim?

Both were reaction tests. One was to see who was eager to wagon, and the other was to [redacted for the moment].

All you asked about was the grim wagon. So what have you found in regards to Glow wagon?

Also the day scum admits to wanting town brownie points (referencing Gandoff's comment) and they are indeed scum is the day I include Gandoff to my must be lynched day 1 in every game list.

Ok, I'm apparently missing it entirely.

What testing are you talking about? What do you keep going on about?

TESTING EITHER FUCKING CLAIM.

You didn't want to test either fucking claim but you sort of believe part of the claim. You apparently believed Glow enough not to have her lynched without you!!!

WHAT FUCKING PART ARE YOU MISSING?

Your saying you did not want to testing any part of Glows claim but not believing the claim, then saying oh it's possible SK. Lets lynch Glow.

And before you fucking double talk to me again I AM TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU CLAIMED YOUR TOWN READ!

I have no clue your reference to apples. I'm talking aliens.

Farside, are you trying to state that paranoia is a scum tell?

Scum have more to fear from a SK then town. Scum have more to fear from a vig claim then town.

You saying town should push for lynching a claimed vig and claim it could be a SK with no proof?

[quote="In post 259,

UNVOTE
VOTE: glowball

The wagon is small enough now that I think those still on it know what they're voting for.

Why do you think glow is scum. Who on the wagon do you believe knows what they are doing? LL, NS, Nexus?
You claiming all 3 is a town read to you?

No, I'm just saying that if anyone on the wagon currently thinks glow is mafia rather than an SK, they're an idiot anyways. I didn't even look at who was on the wagon. That said, there's no point in being on this wagon is Spy is going to be a hardhead. I need to go back and find a new read.

Unvote

You really want me to cry this game. You hate me?

I swear I'm ready to post the 3 stooges pic reading CLS, NS and Gand here.

Mod: Monitor took a crap on me. I'm on V/LA possible for 2 days. I'll see if Amrun can handle this while I'm beating the crap out of......I mean fixing the problem.

[/quote]

Except Mothrax is town.

Tell me Farrun, what happened to your read on SpyreX? I thought you had him pegged for obvious scum?

Your not reading my post. He's still on my scum list, I was commenting about the conversation at hand where people were stating who they would lynch.

What about mothrax do you read as town? Why did you never answer my questions I asked before?


@Spy:

I mention PZ as a point of reference. I could name other people but I have seen people do what Glow did and none were ever scum.

Oh look Spy mentions useless players who do nothing but that's okay right LL?

Just quoting these for reference.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

I'm sorry, did Farside just vote hop onto me under pretense of a "compromise lynch"?

Oho~! This is interesting.

Are you kidding me? Our slot has been on your case ever since your crappy Grimmjow reaction test. But it's a compromise lynch now? Yeah right.

You act like our suspicions have been hopping all over the place, but they have not. They remain on you and SpyreX, primarily. Farside suspects mothrax much more heavily than I do. These things have been fairly constant. Some others have been in somewhat flux, but that's normal, and more than can be said of anyone, including you.

Farside leans towards CSLscum and I still lean towards Nexusscum in that debate.

Farside put an IGMEOY on tclawren; I put one on RisingPhoenix.

NS' willful lack of content disturbs me, but is probably a null tell for him. It is a little scummier than average, though.

Grimmjow/Gandalf/kuribo/glowball/Katsuki are all town reads for us.

Ohh pages un pages while I'm at work.

Kuribo is town through and through.

That said work with me here. LLD's fireball feels way more town than, ohhh... someone popping up mere minutes after being mentioned in detail and, ultimately, not even SAYING anything useful about everything going on.

Here's my two cents:

Lynch NS.

If he's scum shoot CSL (although I want some thoughts about Grim/NS)
If he's town shoot

CSL

gan.

Lets get a plan moving in the right direction.

I don't understand how you're making your distinctions about NS' flip determing others' alignments. I think I sort of get your CSL thing, but wtf with gandalf? I don't get this at all.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

I think LLD is town, ftr.

Why?

and what makes you so confident he's town, LLD? Do you know something about his alignment that I don't? I'd bet my left nut one of you is scum, and based on your overreaction to one vote, I think it's you.

Overreaction?

Oh you're hilarious.

I'm reacting to your stupidity. Why don't you go play on EM if you're going to use those kinds of shit tells.

Why is he town? I explained this already. It's GUT.

And honestly, I don't need to explain it any more detailed than that. It's anti-town to explain your town reads.

weak reason and reasoning is noted.

Grimmjow, I will give you 12 hours, just TWELVE, to post content. And I mean A LOT.

Guess what happens when I see that you have no content whatsoever? That's right, I vote you, and I'll encourage everyone to follow, because this is not town play at all.

Clock is ticking.

(expired on 2011-09-14 01:01:37)

I do not see LLD as scum, though she's voting incorrectly.

FoS: Grimmjow

Hypocrite.

How about you post some content too, hey? Or are you still waiting to bust out your fakeclaim?

Agreed

Speaking of scummy things, I find it very interesting that you're focusing on players who "aren't posting as much". Looking for easy mislynches are you?

Scum don't lurk! Since when?

Yeah that LLD wagon needs to turn into something actually useful. Though that probably means it shifts onto some useless lurker given this game.

I pick this guy!

VOTE: CSL

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@Kats: who do you like right now for scum?

Now lets looks at tclawren's uselessness:

Spyrex, come join me on phoenix.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RisingPhoenix

OK, Glowball's either a SK or Town. (via claim) Leaning town right now.

I do believe however that nexus is scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

This is my view on keeping me and directing me.

AS LONG AS I AM IN THE GAME I AM A SCUM TARGET/DISTRACTION.

Even if there is a roleblocker guess what? They are blocking me most likely. They are trying to kill me because a vig is dangerous to their survival. Meanwhile other PRs are free to roam without worry.

Nevermind what I said about glowball, this is a SK confession.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Glowball

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Mothrax is prob scum.

There's really no wagon that has more than 2 people on it? You do know that deadline's coming up right?

I'd be up for a Mothrax, CSL and Nexus wagon right now. And Glowball obviously.

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@Mothrax: Your LLD case is laughable and smells like scum to me.

Remind me again why Gandalf has the biggest wagon...

VOTE: CSL

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@Kats: who do you like right now for scum?

In short there has been no reasoning coming from tclwarn and he's floating by scum in my view.

[Farrun]

I don't know about that Watcher claim. CSL's been itching to toss it out there ever since the first few votes were placed against him. It reeks of either scum, or really stupid town.

This is far more indicative of town.

I believe CSL's claim.


Please, can we stop pussyfooting around? I wish I didn't have a townread on gandalf because his wagon is viable, but I do.

Please join us on LLD.

We need to do this fast.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

Watcher is a scum claim. Offering to follow the town is scum trying to appease town. I would prefer an LlD lynch but it isn't going to happen today.

@LLD: would you be so kind as to provide me with some completed scum games?

unvote; vote CSL

This person needs to die a painful death if CSL flips town watcher.
Watcher is not a scum claim.

[Farrun]

My advice to Glow: If CSL does flip town watcher, which I expect, shoot mothrax.

That vote and reasoning and actively lurking is scummy as shit.

tclwarn would be my second choice.

[Farrun]

Vote: Mothrax

The vote against CSL and reasoning has scum written all over it.

[Farrun]

Are you playing around or just being dense not voting kuribo?

Hi my little girl. Don't worry daddy believes you.

unvote
vote: Kurbio

@Glow: Why did you chose Nexus to kill? Did you just go with what Kats stated or did you have your own view in there?

[Farrun]

@Glow: I think reading most found NS scummy.

My picks for tonight still include mothrax and tclwarn.
I would add NS.

[Farrun]

Farrun, what are your thoughts on Spyspy btw?

I still think he is scum. It's glow's role and my belief that she is town and her role is what she claims that leads me to that belief.

Also I don't see him scum hunting much this game. His reasons for why he found Glow scummy ring false to me and his only other scum suspect is NS. That looks to be going after easy mislynches.
He says next to nothing about anyone else in this game and it just rings in my ears how low under the radar I find his play in this game.


By the way I'm LOL'ing at the obvious town comment coming from Kuribo.
How many people voted for Nexus yesterday. How many people commented on Nexus acting scummy.

[Farrun]

Sure she does.

I'll buy it when I see it because this is HARD ROCK GOLD town read.

What is your view of Kats?
Do you think he is faking a comment?

[Farrun]

Yep.

And, in five million years when Kat comes back and says that's based on sniffing glue we'll talk more about it.

This may be true with Kats but I think we still need to hear what he has to say.
I also do not agree with the Glow lynch.

twclarn is lurking scum. There is no way in hell anyone here is going to convince me his actions are town this game.
Also another quiet player now that pressure is off of her

mod prod LL

[Farrun]

Hahahahaha

unvote:
vote: LLD

@Kurbio: I think Kats was drawing attention to see whom responded and how. LLD and SpyreX both stated it was 1 vs 1 meaning they were willing to vote you and when you flipped town vote for Kats claiming he was scum making fake claims. They didn't think about another other possible things that could happen like if Kats was cop and you were to flip town that possible paranoid cop. Just 1 vs 1.

On a side not completely agree that Spy is scum too.

[Farrun]

Oh, I forgot to add.

Vote: Amrun

This is 100% a perspective slip if both Kuribo and Katsuki are town.

Hello OMGUS in progress.

Also not inside info I have a tendancy to look at what people do and have an idea what may or may not be correct.

Say 1 vs 1 hella scummy. Would you have considered had Kurbio flipped town and Kats claimed cop he was paranoid? You never mention it, you don't consider it and your willing to vote Kurbio for it.

Also trying to say oh is someone
BREADCRUMB A FUCKING ROLE AND MISSING IT AND HAVING MORE COMMON SENSE THEN NS MAKES YOU SCUMMY AS SHIT.

[Farrun]

Nice that scum total misses the bold too.

@Kurbio:

I think

Kats was drawing attention to see whom responded and how. LLD and SpyreX both stated it was 1 vs 1 meaning they were willing to vote you and when you flipped town vote for Kats claiming he was scum making fake claims. They didn't think about another other possible things that could happen like if Kats was cop and you were to flip town that possible paranoid cop. Just 1 vs 1.

[Farrun]

LOL @ AMRUN SCUM TRYING TO ARGUE THAT AN OUTSIDE ROLE MECHANIC POSSIBILITY MAKES MY THOUGHT PROCESS SCUMMY.

LOL AT SCUM THINKING THEY KNOW WHO IS POSTING!

LOL AT SCUM NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS EITHER!


LOOOOOKKKKK FAKE CAPS ATTACK FROM SCUM!

[Farrun]

I also had a bunch of questions you ignored LL. Do you have a tendency to ignore questions asked from you or do you have no answer to them?

[Farrun]

Still waiting for answers from these 2 questions you never answered from day 1.

Glow wagon is over. Grim wagon is over. You want to get to a point if you have one or why you feel the need to not analysis the wagon you were on for reason's you have yet to say why.

You already have the I want to lynch CSL and Gand so what else is there.

You want to explain or keep saying hey I have a reason you just have to believe me?

Mothrax, why are you strawmanning my posts?

Do you not have anything more concrete to go on?

Please explain how Mothrax strawmaned your post.

All I see is you sitting your vote on Glow without making any cases on anyone and claiming your trying to guage people on reaction? their vote? Reasoning for their vote?
You voting for a scum suspect. Also I'm calling bs to you saying that your vote on Glow is still reaction considering after your vote on her you made 2 post pushing the case.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

@Glow: Sorry about posting from farside. Now that the hubby fixed the monitor I won't be in a hurry to just get a post for the day before leaving for work.

[Farrun]

Kats comes in, derails glowball, calls Kurbo scum for a mystery, its obviously crap and then I'm scum for it?

YEP.

When glowball flips scum you're dead to rights Kat.

And if glow flips town then what? You have a scum list with reason's I missed?

Mothrax strawmanned my posts by taking a false representation of them and attempting to make it the truth.

The CSL/Gand reads are basically based on reactions and voting patterns by the reaction tests I made. Further, a bit of GUT >=D here and there doesn't hurt.

How was it false?

Your vote on Glow day 1 gave you any results are are you still claiming you think she is scum?


@DW: Have you read through the game? If so do you have reads to share?

[Farrun]

@Kurbio: I support your plan although the recipient is being a little clueless in all this.

@Glow: Why are you voting for Gandoff over others who pushed your wagon on day 1?

@DW: You going to share your scum suspects any time soon.


Still loving my vote. Also find DW and tclwarn scum this game. Any of those 3 lynched (spy is still on my scum list as well but I don't see anyone agreeing with me) would be most awesome and informative.

[Farrun]

Um... I don't like being called clueless. I understand what he said, I am just wondering why he'd rather do that than further pursue my lynch. I mean he doesn't like me as town because he says I am stupid, and if I am scum then obviously he should want me dead. The whole thing is just ridiculous because at the root of all of this he wants me dead, so why not just do it now?


Most likely because you are demanding one for one all day. If he is an inventor and sends you something, sure it can be scum trying to buddy but it could be town trying to give something to someone who is BP that can actually use the invention.

How is that bad? Also this will be the only reason I'm not pushing Spy (who I'm leaning scum) lynch today.

Yeah, my phone always has Mafiascum up and online, so I don't think it ever looks like I log off >.>b

On a more serious note, Farrun is actually scum. People should be moving votes there. Specifically those people voting Kuribo should move onto Farrun.

Secondary choice today is Glowball, the claimed SK. But I'd rather lynch the scum ringleader Farrun. Cut off the head of the snake...

First off anyone like Kurbio can see by searching post of LLD that she has not problems posting elsewhere frequently so lying can be added to scum tell mky

Second you obvious scum shit doesn't fly. I already pointed out your flying by, adding nothing to the conversation, vote without explanation and deflecting of questions. Also when someone calls out your play and says it looks like X that is not strawman. That is what you are doing.
Throwing words out to deflect an accusation is not a defense of actions.
Never mind that mothrax attacks you and you wave him off calling him a VI without more said from mothrax which strikes me as scum bussing scum.

Your case is what again?

[Farrun]

Sorry the first quote was comment to glow in there. Fixing it so it is more clear.


[quote="glow] Um... I don't like being called clueless. I understand what he said, I am just wondering why he'd rather do that than further pursue my lynch. I mean he doesn't like me as town because he says I am stupid, and if I am scum then obviously he should want me dead. The whole thing is just ridiculous because at the root of all of this he wants me dead, so why not just do it now?
[/quote]

Most likely because you are demanding one for one all day. If he is an inventor and sends you something, sure it can be scum trying to buddy but it could be town trying to give something to someone who is BP that can actually use the invention.



How is that bad? Also this will be the only reason I'm not pushing Spy (who I'm leaning scum) lynch today.

[Farrun]

Kuribo, I'm getting really apathetic about this game >.>.

I'll do my best to give you something tangible. I play by gut a lot, but I know you don't play like that. As much as I don't like to bend to peoples wishes, I'll just do what I can I guess.

More BS from the LLD the liar. I looked up her most recent town game that is over I could find:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Makes a case. Argues with people. Looks for scum signs and pairs.
Ask questions of peoples read.
talks about why and what she reads that is town. Makes more cases and points against players
All this and more on day 1.


So basically sure you can have gut, but the fact is you have backed up that gut before and failed multiple times this game to do.

[Farrun]

Kuribo, I'm getting really apathetic about this game >.>.

I'll do my best to give you something tangible. I play by gut a lot, but I know you don't play like that. As much as I don't like to bend to peoples wishes, I'll just do what I can I guess.

More BS from the LLD the liar. I looked up her most recent town game that is over I could find:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Makes a case. Argues with people. Looks for scum signs and pairs.
Ask questions of peoples read.
talks about why and what she reads that is town. Makes more cases and points against players
All this and more on day 1.


So basically sure you can have gut, but the fact is you have backed up that gut before and failed multiple times this game to do.

Wow, this really is bs. I've never seen such wishy washy horseshit from LLD before, ever.

Been v/la. I've been reading, but I need to sit down with this thread and give it some good love. Will do asap.

Farside has it pretty well handled, though. LLD is scum and needs to die.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

I like how Farrun is trying to use meta when it's convenient for them.

Notice how they talk about Day 1 in that Meta reference. Now look at my Day 1 in this game. You'll SEE THE RESEMBLENCE.

They are trying to grasp at straws and get MY lynch today, because they know if I'm alive I'm gonna keep voting them.

Yes lets ignore that you were using meta to not put a case together and apathetic gut as reason's not to make a case in the post

Kuribo, I'm getting really apathetic about this game >.>.

I'll do my best to give you something tangible. I play by gut a lot, but I know you don't play like that. As much as I don't like to bend to peoples wishes, I'll just do what I can I guess.

So you can use meta to defend yourself but I can't call your meta BS with you know something called proof.

[Farrun]

I like how Farrun is trying to use meta when it's convenient for them.

Notice how they talk about Day 1 in that Meta reference. Now look at my Day 1 in this game. You'll SEE THE RESEMBLENCE.

They are trying to grasp at straws and get MY lynch today, because they know if I'm alive I'm gonna keep voting them.

Yes lets ignore that you were using meta to not put a case together and apathetic gut as reason's not to make a case in the post

Kuribo, I'm getting really apathetic about this game >.>.

I'll do my best to give you something tangible. I play by gut a lot, but I know you don't play like that. As much as I don't like to bend to peoples wishes, I'll just do what I can I guess.

So you can use meta to defend yourself but I can't call your meta BS with you know something called proof.

How is me saying I play by gut Meta? It's a playstyle choice that I ACTUALLY DO.

Further, how is me saying I'm apathetic in THIS GAME a "meta defense"?

How is saying you play by gut not meta? That means you do it in games. Not just one game.

I said nothing about your apathy. Your lurking this game and posting fine in others makes you lurking scum. Not meta.

@GI: You want to explain your town read there? Saying you played with LLD in some game without a link really is as useless as mothrax has been in this game as a whole.

[Farrun]

Oh yeah just because I can, HERE'S AN ELLI SCUMTELL THAT NEVER FAILS

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 7&sr=posts
ONCE LLD FLIPS SCUM I WANT GI DEAD.
OR WE CAN VOTE ACCORDINGLY AND TAKE CARE OF GI TODAY.

GI just replaced someone today. I don't think the fact he is posting elsewhere is a tell this early.
LLD on the other hand has been around since day 1 and floating by scum who doesn't do cases in this game but can make cases from what I saw in the game I linked.

[Farrun]

LOL YOU REALLY ARE SCUM

IF IT'S A DANCE YOU WANT, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO DANCE WITH YOU

IF ONLY FATE WERE IN THIS GAME, ALAS
OR MAYBE I'LL HAVE HIM REPLACE ME FOR ANOTHER GI/LLD SCUM LOSS

Oh but Katsuki, you've already been dancing with Fate. You're dancing the dance I like to call Square Enix V, and I can see his footsteps.

Scum is:

Glowball
Kuribo

Nexus
CSL

SpyreX
LLD
Gandalf
and me

It's time for you to be dancing the last dance.

The 2 in bold have either died or been lynched and are town.
You know reading the entire game and putting people that are dead as scum really does not make me a true believer in anything you read at this point.

[Farrun]

Question to LLD that was not answered

What specific things make Farrun scum?

@Glow: I think most people are suspicious because Nexus is the only one that is dead day 2. If you were a vig, where is the mafia kill? Well and attitude, but that's my town read on you.
That is the only thing I wonder in my head but I'm stubborn about my town reads too much to be paranoid any more.

@Gand: Why do you think that Glow is scum? Who else do you find scummy?

Farrun, explain this. In Post #203 you outline SpyreX as your top scum read and vote him. Throughout the game, you continue to put mild pressure on him, but nothing substantial enough to start anything.

Is SpyreX still a scum read for you? If so, how Strong? Why did you stop pushing him Day 1? Explain how it is town for you to stop pushing him today because "there's no interest there".

So you can switch your vote at a whim, but I can't switch my vote on those I find scummy?
How many different people did you vote for on day 1 and not stick with?


Grim
Glow
CSL

(*note: both gand and CSL) was mentioned as a scum suspect by you.


Now to answer your question I had you and Spy as my top 2 since this post
post 203
I have both of you and I still think both of you are scum.
So I can't attack both of you? I should only stick with one that goes no where and no one listen's to me? Why not keep your vote on a player you found the scummiest?
Because look at you, you switched from your number 1 (glow) to me (no.2)

Please flail more. I like having evidence to show of your scummiess while you show absolutely nothing.

[Farrun]

I swear if you terps lynch glowball...

a) glowball is town.

b) EVEN IF GLOWBALL WERE SK, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS THE OPTIMAL LYNCH, YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING DERPS?

The town DID NOT come to a consensus, so glowball chose to follow the suggestion of a townread. I agree; Kats/Fate is town.

Stop it. You all deserve to be ashamed. Except SpyreX and any other scum pushing this dumbass wagon.

Although this wagon will be excellent juiciness if LLD is, indeed, scum.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

Why do you see NS's post as a scumtell? Is there something I'm missing here?

Fucking what do you think of Fate, mr. obvscum?

Not sure yet. I've been focusing mostly on glowball and LLD, I'll have to examine Fate's slot later. What makes you think my slot is scum?

"I replaced in and focused only on the two leading wagons... Why do you think I'm scum?"

DW needs to DIE.

Farside and I both agree that DW's pushing of the CLAIM and not glowball's ACTIONS is really scummy (and pushing this particular claim is scummy in and of itself). We also suspected mothrax anyway.

We still prefer LLD for teh lynchingz today, but DW dying would be a joyous thing as well.


glowball wagon still awful.

Farside wants to remind LLD that her questions have STILL not been answered, especially her so called case. Plz to be doing this, LLD.

-Amrun

[Farrun]

DW is most likely scum. I pointed out mothrax vote on CSL as the shit vote it was. (for those not paying attention DW replaced mothrax.

And LLD is scum. She continues to ignore my questions over and over and over and pushes on Glow all over whenever the chance arises.