Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Nobody Special]

I'm the Idiot Vig.

[Herodotus]

If your N1 shot had succeeded, Katsuki would have been the only living scum going into N2. So don't feel bad.

[Magister Ludi]

.

No, actually, ooba would have been recruited.

[Herodotus]

Hm. If kills resolve before recruitment, does the person recruiting need to survive the night to carry out the recruitment?

[Mr. Flay]

Hm. If kills resolve before recruitment, does the person recruiting need to survive the night to carry out the recruitment?

Nah - think of it more as a 'the person doesn't make up their mind to accept the recruitment until all other options are exhausted'. For similar reasons, recruited couldn't change their night actions just because they were recruited.

[Magister Ludi]

Flay, whats your next game?

[Yosarian2]

Next time we're killing Yos N0.

(shrug) Next time, cult recruiter shouldn't target me night zero. That nearly cost Kinetic the game back on day 1, it was too obvious.

[Andrius]

Next time we're killing Yos N0.

(shrug) Next time, cult recruiter shouldn't target me night zero. That nearly cost Kinetic the game back on day 1, it was too obvious.

See, the best thing about Flay games is that you get a nice mix of oldies and newer players (and people in the middle like me).
I like Cult games because they're a challenge.
But its hard to balance them and most mods can't get that to that level.

[Mr. Flay]

Okay, I'm pretty sure this translation of my spreadsheet is accurate:

• Night Zero
  : Only recruiters get to act;
  Kinetic
  chooses Yos, of course, and
  ABR
  recruited Porochaz.
  2
  -
  2
  -
  23
  .
  
• Day One
  :
  Chronopie
  , the rerecruitable Private Investigator, gets lynched. inHim replaces Dry-Fit, LLD replaces Cecily. Andrius replaces RaudhrGarm.
  All of my clever naming gets jacked up trying to wedge replacements' names in.
  Factions stand at
  2
  -
  2
  -
  22
  .
  
• Night One
  :
  1. LLD
     defends
     Andrius
     from recruitment.
     
  2. bvoigt
     defends
     DGB
     from recruitment, which succeeds the
     second
     Night is takes effect.
     
  3. Ludi
     jailkeeps
     Yosarian2
     , spoiling his recruitment action.
     
  4. DGB
     misses her night choice.
     
  5. xvart
     blocks
     ThAdmiral
     from visiting #21.
     
  6. Tanarin
     guards
     DGB
     's life.
     
  7. populartajo
     also protects
     DGB
     's life.
     
  8. Zdenek
     protects
     ooba
     .
     
  9. Battousai
     kills
     inHim
     in the street.
     
  10. NS
      tries to kill
      Yosarian
      , who is in jail and thus safe.
      
  11. ABR
      wants to recruit
      LLD
      (which he can't), but screws up and shows Katsuki his QuickTopic in meat world, so has to have
      Porochaz
      recruit Katsuki instead.
      
  12. Kinetic
      tries to send
      Yosarian
      to recruit
      ooba
      , but Yosarian ends up in jail instead.
      
  13. ooba
      watches the grocery store, seeing
      Porochaz
      return home at the end of the Night.
      
  14. Seraphim
      tries to track
      Yosarian
      , but can't find him anywhere.
      
  15. Herodotus
      investigates
      Porochaz
      , finding his police file newly dirty of late.
      
  16. Kinetic
      visits the newspaper office but can't get in; they're running the presses in the back (flavor text only).
      
  17. Andrius
      also visits the newspaper office, finding much the same results.
      
  18. Fritzler
      visited the factory at #13 (coincidentally where
      inHim
      worked), getting a description and that's all.
      
  19. Bunnylover
      tries to visit the church, but it's locked up tight.
      
  20. Cobblerfone
      visits Harlow's Night Club for a drink and some flavor text.
      
  21. springlullaby
      visits the mystery building labeled "?", getting some clues as to the name of the place (it's a red herring, just some interesting local history)
      
  22. ThAdmiral
      wanted to visit Cascone's but was blocked. If he had succeeded, he would have been shown to
      ABR
      as hanging around outside.
  Factions stand at
  3
  -
  2
  -
  20
  , but not for long.
  
• Day Two
  :
  Porochaz
  is lynched on
  Herdotus
  ' word after only about 8 days.
  2
  -
  2
  -
  20
  now.
  
• Night Two
  :
  1. LLD
     defends
     Andrius/Toasty
     from recruitment, but not from vigilantes.
     
  2. bvoigt
     defends
     Herodotus
     from recruitment.
     
  3. Ludi
     jailkeeps
     Yosarian
     again.
     
  4. DGB
     blocks
     xvart
     , which stops
     xvart
     from blocking
     Cobblerfone
     .
     
  5. Tanarin
     guards
     DGB
     .
     
  6. Zdenek
     and
     populartajo
     both protect
     Herodotus
     .
     
  7. NS
     kills
     Andrius/Toasty Toast.
     .
     
  8. ThAdmiral
     visits Cascone's successfully, then gets killed by
     Battousai
     . He was ABR's original idea for a recruitment, so it's just as well...
     
  9. ABR
     actually sends
     Katsuki
     to recruit springlullaby, who is incorruptible.
     
  10. Kinetic
      goes himself to recruit
      DGB
      , who is still defended from recruitment by
      bvoigt
      's action from N1.
      
  11. ooba
      watches Uncle Joe's Tavern (
      Kinetic
      's home base). He sees someone come out (
      Kinetic
      ) but can't identify who in the dark.
      
  12. Seraphim
      tracks
      Ludi
      to Dinkeldorf's Deli, but loses track of what he does next (taking Yosarian down to jail).
      
  13. Herodotus
      looks into
      Flameaxe
      's record, finding it clean of organized crime ties (but not indecency standards)
      
  14. Bunnylover
      goes to visit the Main Street Drive-In Liquor store... what a lush...
      
  15. Coblerfone
      visits the mystery building, getting a different chunk of the deteriorated name on the place.
      
  16. Fritzler
      visits the park after dark. Nothing happens.
      
  17. springlullaby
      visits Chronopie's former place of business, the shuttered Warner Photographic Studio.
  
  Factions are at
  2
  -
  2
  -
  18
  after the vigkills.
  
• Day Three
  : Everybody wants to play Follow-The-Cop! When Herodotus doesn't have anything for them, they settle for an imploding
  Katsuki
  . This takes down the
  ABR
  faction,
  0
  -
  2
  -
  18
  .
  
• Night Three
  :
  1. bvoigt
     defends
     Herodotus
     again, not knowing that his defense lasts two Nights.
     
  2. LLD
     defends
     DGB
     against recruitment.
     
  3. Ludi
     continues to harass
     Yosarian
     by jailkeeping him; the Night PMs start to say as much.
     
  4. DGB
     blocks
     NS
     from killing
     LLD
     , which would have been
     bad
     for town.
     
  5. xvart
     blocks
     Cobblerfone
     , who stayed home anyway.
     
  6. Tanarin
     guards
     Herodotus
     , along with both
     populartajo
     and
     Zdenek
     , all not strictly necessary as he's not targeted for kills (somewhat surprisingly).
     
  7. Kinetic
     again goes out himself to recruit xvart, predicting correctly that Yosarian will continue to be jailkept.
     
  8. NS
     wanted to kill
     LLD
     , but spent the night with DGB instead, as mentioned above.
     
  9. Battousai kills springlullaby, in an inspired moment of upward mobility in his job at the bank. Unfortunately...
     
  10. ooba
      watches the bank, seeing
      Battousai
      and
      springlullaby
      enter together. Why he doesn't mention that this contradicts the morning scene, I'm not certain...
      
  11. Seraphim
      tracks
      DGB
      to
      NS
      's place.
      
  12. Herodotus
      investigates
      Battousai
      , finding him to have a clean record (surprisingly, given his bloodlust, but them's the rules...)
      
  13. ConSpiracy replaces Fritzler
      , then apparently misunderstands his role PM and 'visits' his home base, the barber shop. Opts not to Commute.
  Factions are
  3
  -
  16
  .
• Day Four
  :For no reason I can determine, the town decides to lynch...
  Darox
  ?? This was almost entirely a town-led wagon, with Yos jumping on in the middle (like he usually did in this game) to lend strength. A lot of people seemed to think he (Tanarin) was lurking, when actually he was replaced. Even after this is mentioned, people continue to want him dead.
  3
  -
  15
  .
  
• Night Four
  :
  1. LLD
     defends
     Cobblerfone
     from recruitment.
     
  2. bvoigt
     again 'wastes' his cult doctor action on
     Herodutus
     , which isn't his fault since he doesn't know it's twice as effective (or that Hero's not getting targeted).
     
  3. Ludi
     jails
     Yos
     ...
     do you really need me to keep saying this?
     
     
  4. xvart
     blocks
     Herodotus
     , in a rather gutsy move by scum. This stops
     Herodotus
     from investigating
     Zdenek
     , but could have outed xvart badly.
     
  5. DGB
     blocks
     tajo
     , then gets killed by
     NS
     .
     
     I briefly consider turning one of the Vigilantes into a Serial Killer, then slap myself until it stops...
     
     
  6. Battousai kills
     Seraphim
     , then gets recruited by
     Kinetic
     .
     
  7. Zdenek
     protects
     Herodutus
     .
     
  8. ooba
     sees
     NS
     go upstairs to
     DGB
     's place. I don't recall if he put two and two together when she turned up dead...
     
  9. ConSpiracy
     visits the church, but it's still locked up at Night.
     
  10. Bunnylover
      visits yet another bar: Delaware Daddy's this time...
  
  Factions stand at
  4
  -
  12
  .
  
• Day Five
  : Paranoia runs rampant; the Doc and a Cult Doc get run up for a bit, then tajo gets replaced by Amrun.
  xvart
  gets some traction in a wagon for a while, but eventually they take out...
  Zdenek
  ?
  4
  -
  11
  
  
• Night Five
  :
  1. bvoigt
     switches to defending
     Battousai
     from recruitment, a day late...
     
  2. LLD
     defends
     Cobblerfone
     from recruitment.
     
  3. Ludi goes to jailkeep
     Yosarian
     again. Yosarian is sent to recruit
     Ludi
     . This leads to the following:

     [quote="To Officer Sam "Magister" Ludi, Mr. Flay"]
     Yosarian2 meets you at the door this time. "Going for a ride again, are we? Have it your way, swine.." He seems unreasonably amused with your antics of beating him over the head and dragging him downtown for a cold night in a cell.
     
     That might be because his boss has just pulled up beside your squad car. Joseph "Kinetic" Camisano has basically tripled your monthly salary in order to ensure that your interests align with his. Given that the alternative is probably a bullet behind the ear, you stammer out an acceptance of the 'offer you can't refuse'.

     He is recruited, you are only nominally detained, but too late to do anything else tonight.[/quote]
     
  4. xvart
     blocked
     Herodotus
     again (Hero's target was to be
     ConSpiracy
     ).
     
  5. Battousai
     kills
     ooba
     , the other junkie. This was the only paired 'public profession' that had related secret roles.
     
  6. In a fiddly bit of rules-intersecting,
     NS
     goes to kill
     Yosarian
     again. Because of the jailkeep, it fails. In a realistic situation, Ludi would have let Yos go after being recruited, and then Yos would have died, which would have been
     very
     interesting for the game-state.
     
  7. Amrun
     protects
     Ludi
     .
     
  8. ConSpiracy
     also visits the Warner Photographic Studio, finding it empty and abandoned.
  Factions are starting to get ugly:
  5
  -
  9
  
  
• Day Six
  : All four Camisano minions orchestrate a lynch of
  ConSpiracy
  , sealing the gamestate (
  5
  -
  8
  , with a kill and a recruitment available to them) unless a vigilante takes out a Camisano, or a Camisano tries to kill the Army Veteran...
  
• Night Six
  :
  1. bvoigt
     is jailkept by
     Ludi
     , preventing him from 'defending'
     Battousai
     .
     
  2. LLD
     is blocked by
     xvart
     from defending
     Cobblerfone
     .
     
  3. Herodotus
     investigated
     xvart
     , finding him dirty, to no avail...
     
  4. Amrun
     protected
     Ludi
     , then died to
     Battousai
     .
     
  5. NS
     killed
     Flameaxe
     , then got recruited by
     Yosarian
     ...
  
  
• Day Seven
  : Endgame, with
  6
  -
  5
  . Kinetic is given the choice to recruit, kill, or ignore (they still lose, just in a different way flavorwise) the remaining Townies. Abandoning the "Hope" motif, he tells me to kill them all.
  1. Battousai
     is sent to kill
     Amrun
     .
     
  2. Yosarian
     is sent to kill
     LLD
     .
     
  3. Ludi
     kills
     Herodotus
     .
     
  4. xvart
     kills
     Cobblerfone
     , getting killed in return due to the Army Vet passive ability.
     He still wins, of course...
     
     
  5. Kinetic
     kills
     bvoigt
     himself.
     What a terrible Catholic...

[Andrius]

<3's to LLD who protected me all the time.
NS... yeah don't shoot me thats never a good idea.
lol @ Kinetic and I visiting the same place.

Abandoning the "Hope" motif, he tells me to kill them all.

HOW CULT GAMES SHOULD ALWAYS WORK.
NO BULLSHIT RECRUIT EVERYONE LEFT STANDING.
YOU SHOULDN'T GET A REPRIEVE FOR FAILING AT YOUR WINCON.

[Battousai]

When cult wins, the only winners is the recruiter/leader and the N0/pregame recruits (players who didn't get a chance to play by their original wincon). Everyone else on the cult are just zombies who lose no matter what (as playing against original wincon means you can no longer win with that faction).

[Andrius]

Yeah but in Succession I every townie (except me, who opted to die) was culted in endgame for a big happy win. "Its ok you didn't really try at the end, here's a win anyway!"
Sorry but that just sucked. Because we played ALL GAME against the cult and people just gave up. :/

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, a general sense of apathy always sets in on towns during or towards the end of cult games usually. Its really frustrating because people start not caring.

I also don't agree with you Batt, as the culted people are necessary for the cult to win, and usually only at the end of the game does it start not mattering who gets recruited.

[Andrius]

Yeah, a general sense of apathy always sets in on towns during or towards the end of cult games usually. Its really frustrating because people start not caring.

This. :/

[Mr. Flay]

Flay, whats your next game?

War in Heaven III

[Kinetic]

Flay, whats your next game?

War in Heaven III

O SHI..!

[Nobody Special]

How long ago were WiH I & II? I just would like an idea of which archive to start searching.

[Nobody Special]

Never mind. They're on Flay's wiki.

[Kinetic]

War in Heaven II, the game that made me want to KILL a player in a game for being so bad (and the rest of the town following him).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Flay, whats your next game?

War in Heaven III

[Albert B. Rampage]

To be fair, I didn't show Katsuki my QT. I went on his laptop into my QT, and closed the window. When Katsuki tried going onto his QT menu, it saved my QT to his QTs.

[Mr. Flay]

Same thing

(not to say you did it on purpose, but the effect is the same)

. This is why we have to get onsite QTs working...

[Magister Ludi]

Ok. Well, War in Heaven sounds interesting.

[Mr. Flay]

It's incredibly fast-paced. I need to figure out what time of year will be best to run it... right now I'm playing for a change, and then it's the holidays, so probably January.

[Magister Ludi]

heh. thats far.