Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Maruchan]

Alright, here's where I'm sitting right now:

Town-Reads (Strongest to Weakest)

- Llarmable (Claim, Scumhunting ect.)
- Andrius (Claim, LBs vouch)
- Baby Spice (Soft-claim ect.)
- Maruchan (Scumhunting)
- Hito (Strategy + Scumhunting)
- Nobody Special (Interactions with Username, Meta)
- Lost Butterfly (Scumhunting, moves, dayvig ect.)
- Lady Lamdatela (Scumhunting, attitude ect.)
- Soda (Based on Reck, scumhunting ect.)
- Nautilius (Scumhunting, gut, attitude ect.)
- Fate (Gut, attitude, moves)
- Tclwaren (Had uneasiness with his early game play, although he's been improving since strategy and scumhunting wise)

Scum Reads (Strongest to weakest)

- Plum (Lack of scumhunting, dancing around Magua yesterday, lack of moves ect.)
- Amrum (Complete lack of scumhunting, attempt at preventing Maru-potions)
- Zajnet (Push on Soda with no reasoning attached, movement to campfire + tipping point, lack of scumhunting ect.)

Willing to lynch any of the three in the scum pile but before we do that we

NEED

to find a way to prevent tipping point being triggered again tomorrow. If what Andrius is saying is correct and there's a tunnel from Nexus to Tipping point the closing of doors will do nothing to help meaning the only suggestion I can think of is moving everyone as far away from Nexus as possible (At least far enough away that mafia have to use all of their chits to attempt anything).

I claimed BTW. Twice now in-fact. With two separate claims.

[Maruchan]

Also closing door from Rage-> Nexus and POSSIBLY Nexus->Monastery SHOULD stop MOST likeliest of using the tunnel

[Regfan]

We can't close doors between Nexus and Door Control, it's not allowed via the game rules and your claim is meaningless in the sense that it doesn't factor into my town-read on you.

[Zajnet]

How am I "simply a good lynch?" And Regfan, I most certainly did provide reasoning for pushing Soda as a lynch.

[Regfan]

"I don't like him re: the chair and

he's scummy

" doesn't count as providing reasoning for pushing his lynch.

I'd like a few answers/responses from you:

1. Who are your five strongest town-reads and your five-strongest suspects and why?
2. Why did you move yourself to the campfire without claiming it if you stated you read the thread and therefore knew we were claiming all moves?
3. If talking about strategy is a scum-tell does that mean you want to vote Hito and does that mean Feysal was mafia? If no then why else is Tclwaren mafia?
4. Why did you suggest and volunteer yourself to go to the potion room when no one had a town-read on you and meant that you claimed your role?

[Maruchan]

We can't close doors between Nexus and Door Control, it's not allowed via the game rules and your claim is meaningless in the sense that it doesn't factor into my town-read on you.

We can.

A SINGLE PATH has to be open.

So this is a completely viable option, because the white path still exists:

[Maruchan]

^^Thats an interesting lil tidbit I have been thinking about ever since pre-game.

I tried to find the most convoluted path I could possibly find and it still be "Open"

[Regfan]

That's going to require minimum three chits to do plus the moving of players, something we don't have time or chits to do today, we're going to have to find an alternate solution for today though that's certainty a good idea for upcoming days.

[Maruchan]

No I know that doesn't work. But what I was saying is we could close the door from rage->Nexus.

or do we not currently have someone in door control?

[Zajnet]

"I don't like him re: the chair and

he's scummy

" doesn't count as providing reasoning for pushing his lynch.

I'd like a few answers/responses from you:

1. Who are your five strongest town-reads and your five-strongest suspects and why?
2. Why did you move yourself to the campfire without claiming it if you stated you read the thread and therefore knew we were claiming all moves?
3. If talking about strategy is a scum-tell does that mean you want to vote Hito and does that mean Feysal was mafia? If no then why else is Tclwaren mafia?
4. Why did you suggest and volunteer yourself to go to the potion room when no one had a town-read on you and meant that you claimed your role?

1. I don't have time to give all of my reasons, its 3am. I'll post more tomorrow. But here are my reads.
Town:
Maru
Llamarble
Fate
Andy


Scum:
Soda
Tclaw

Leaning Scum:
NS
Amrun

Everyone else is pretty null.

2. I hadn't read the thread yet.

3. Talking about strategy is not inherently a scumtell, but it seems to me like Tclaw has been using it to mask that he isn't scumhunting.

4. Why not? And there are people out there who have expressed a townie read on me. I'm the only one currently in the Nexus, making it me who would be moved to test Andy, and then I'll be right next to the potions room. So why not?

[Nobody Special]

You don't have to be moved for Andy to go into the Nexus. It can hold 5 people.

[Nautilius]

Meant to get this case in immediately after Soda fried Magua, but got distracted...

Vote: SodaSpirit17

This guy dies today, and he dies now. The largest thing that he has contributed to this game is his ISO #5, which is a few one-liners vaguely explaining a couple of suspicions he has. And call me a skeptic, but I seriously doubt someone this new to the game would be able to peg two scum upon replacing in (especially without taking scumhunting seriously) unless those scum were his partners. His belief that killing scum confirmed him as town (demonstrated by his immediate request to be let into the security room after killing Magua as well as the fact that the entirety of his defense is "but I killed Magua!").

Speaking of which, the Magua-Soda interaction absolutely REEKS of scum, note Soda's weak attempts at pressure on Magua in #817, #821, and #823, and Magua's subsequent responses. Magua at first ignores Soda, who pressed on, and is given a few canned responses that suggest Magua is trying to limit the interactions as much as possible. In Magua's ISO #42, he calls SodaSpirit a weak town read for his pushing of iamusername, which seems like an attempt to give a little towncred to Soda's bussing attempt, but not leaning his neck out far enough to link himself with him.

Also, his hesitation in throwing the switch was pretty damn strange: he adamantly attempt to save himself from having to pull the switch on Magua until he gets to this point...

orrrrrrr maybe someone could move me to the electric chair, unlock the door to security and yea let me in there. I do realize what happened but it'll be good.

This is NOT a townie mindset. If town are reluctant to kill surefire scum, then they have a reason. In soda's postings, he keeps asking for a reason why as opposed to explaining himself why not. This suggests that he didn't even have a reason; he was just looking for ways to delay Magua's death. This makes much more sense coming from a mindset, especially if Magua was a strong strategist in-thread; I could see Soda being far more reluctant to kill a player who demonstrated his skill in the quicktopic already.

Finally, his most recent defense reeks so badly of survival intent that zoraster might as well publicly announce him scum now. He defends himself much in the same way he defended Magua before he threw the switch; every post is geared towards delaying and surviving just a little longer. He suggest we just "shoot him", even though none of us have even hinted at a vigilante power (but, with a Mafia Doctor flip, I'm sure there was talk of one in the quicktopic).

Zajnet, on the other hand, is probably town. Plum might be scum, but I'd rather get an obvious mafia member out of the way first.

[zoraster]

Day 2

Amrun ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Andrius ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Baby Spice ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

hitogoroshi ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Lady Lambdadelta ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Llamarble ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Lost Butterfly ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Maruchan ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Nautilius ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Nobody Special ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Plum ( 1 ) Amrun,

(L - 8 )

Regfan ( 1 ) Lost Butterfly,

(L - 8 )

tclawren ( 3 ) SodaSpirit17, Lady Lambdadelta, Fate,

(L - 6 )

SodaSpirit17 ( 3 ) hitogoroshi, Maruchan, Nautilius,

(L - 6 )

Zajnet ( 3 ) tclawren, Regfan, Llamarble,

(L - 6 )

No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 5 ) Baby Spice, Nobody Special, Plum, Zajnet, Andrius,
Total Votes ( 16 )
Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]


Deadline: Round 14

[Zajnet]

Since Soda is so far from a lynch and we only have a couple days left, there's no point in withholding my vote anymore.

VOTE: SodaSpirit17

@NS: I want to test the tunnel theory, which involves me being moved from the nexus to the tipping point. At which point I'll be right next to the potion room.

[Baby Spice]

Vote Sodaspirit

I really can't get past the hesitancy with the switch.

[Plum]

Scum Reads (Strongest to weakest)- Plum (Lack of scumhunting, dancing around Magua yesterday, lack of moves ect.)

I

did

actually do a deeper discussion of you vs. Magua in the Villa thread yesterday. Andrius and/or Hito should be able to confirm that and confirm what I said about it (which basically amounted to the fact that your concern that people read and care about the you vs. Magua exchange was a Towntell on your part and Magua's lack thereof didn't reflect well on him; further that looking at Magua he parroted the people-read-one-another-in-the-Villa idea as a good one but showed no interest in participating, which also seemed to reflect badly on him.

I've been doing skimming the thread because currently the library is closed until noon and I'm sitting

outside

the damn library to use their internet. It's pathetic and it isn't very convenient.

If I'm in Door Control, are there any Doors that need opening or closing ASAP?

VOTE: Soda

By the way, Soda, LB wanted me to tell you that they called you a freaking clown. In slightly worse language.

Ugh keep saying that to yourself coz I already defended myself.

Besides do you really think I would have pulled the switch on the scum partner I KNEW was scum if I was scum? lolno.

That's why I'm town that's why you're mistaken, that's why it's time to get rid of Tclaw and maybe eventually later Llama.

If I hadn't had a scumread on Soda before, this. Disregarding the initial reluctance to use the Chair on investigated Magua-scum, it's still far from anything Town-confirming. And with that defense, put Llama who

claimed the investigation that sealed Magua's doom, Chair or no

on his hit list? No. Just no.

I don't know. What do you believe it for you to be. Sounds pretty townish, but still you could have bussed him. Only you know, if you believe that you absolutely caught scum, then you claim that and that should make you appear town. It's only up to the players to decipher the alignment.

Lolwhat?

I'm not sure if I appreciate this Plum wagon. I want to think he's scum, but that isn't working..

. . .

(also I'm a girl)

More later.

[SodaSpirit17]

That's what I was not looking forward to waking up to... Well I'll be gone all day today. So since this wagon built up at night.. I'll claim.

TOWN vanilla. Voice and vote. You know the deal. Scum probz won't kill me since I have no power.

Lynching me will be a mistake, but it won't be fatal. Tclaw would definitely be a better choice, but you guys won't be detrimentally screwed if you lynch me.

Zajnet if you think both Tclaw and I are scum then you believe I'm bussing him? LOL.

[Fate]

BLOOD PACT SUPERCEDES READS

FOR YOU NACHO, THE WORLD

UNVOTE…
VOTE: SODA

[SodaSpirit17]

wcs you lynch a vanilla.

that's only WCS.

however will you settle for WCS?

or will you do the right thing and lynch Tclaw.

I'm out from here.

[zoraster]

Day 2

Amrun ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Andrius ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Baby Spice ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

hitogoroshi ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Lady Lambdadelta ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Llamarble ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Lost Butterfly ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Maruchan ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Nautilius ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Nobody Special ( 0 )

(L - 9 )

Plum ( 1 ) Amrun,

(L - 8 )

Regfan ( 1 ) Lost Butterfly,

(L - 8 )

tclawren ( 2 ) SodaSpirit17, Lady Lambdadelta,

(L - 7 )

SodaSpirit17 ( 7 ) hitogoroshi, Maruchan, Nautilius, Zajnet, Baby Spice, Plum, Fate,

(L - 2 )

Zajnet ( 3 ) tclawren, Regfan, Llamarble,

(L - 6 )

No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) Nobody Special, Andrius,
Total Votes ( 16 )
Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]


Deadline: Round 14

[Lost Butterfly]

VOTE Tcl

[Regfan]

About to go to bed and I'm far too tired to go into long detailed explanations but I still believe Soda is town despite the case that Nacho built against him. Starting to be a bit more uneasy on my Zajnet-scum read though and right now the only person I'm 10000% comfortable seeing lynched today is Amrum.

Vote: Amrum

[Llamarble]

TC and Amrun both did as told during the shenanigans turn, so I might prefer a soda lynch.
My town read on Soda was in spite of Reck rather than because of him like everyone else's seemed to be.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Soda
I guess he'll probably self hammer if he's scum, but that doesn't really bother me.

[Fate]

Lol if you tihnk doing as told=towntell

LOLU